I disagree.

I never brought it up to *divert* anything.

If you look down the list of threads, you'll see that I am the one who instigated this discussion (Nancy, Nancy, Nancy).

I had just turned off the tv from watching her press conference and found her inability to string two words together coherently to be extremely telling. She was dancing faster than I have ever seen her dance, losing her train of thought, and looking extremely flustered.

My bringing that up had nothing whatsoever to do with diverting anything. That's a flat out lie.

I can talk torture all you want. I believe that we were living in a time when we saw things more clearly and we had not settled into a place of complacency regarding the evil, horrible, murderous things terrorists are capable of doing. I believe that they did tell her about waterboarding and DID tell her they had used or were were going to use it.

You don't tell someone you've gotten legal opinions that things were acceptable if you had no plans to employ this things. That is goofy. Why waste valuable meeting time discussing the things you weren't going to do?

I don't really care for the word 'torture' because it has different connotations and different definitions. There are rotten kids who *torture* baby toads with matches, and there are psycho adults like Jeffry Dahmer who torture people for their own sick pleasure. And then there are individuals who, in the name of saving the lives of innocent people, sometimes find themselves in situations where the only thing they have left to do to try to get information out of a hardened criminal who is sitting on terrible secrets is to be so mean to him, to make him so flippin' scared for his life, that he just might talk.

Anyone who can't see the difference in the motivation behind those scenarios is an idiot.

We can talk about torture all day, but it won't change anyone's minds about whether they believe techniques like waterboarding are justified or not. What was *new* last week was the fact that a bumbleheaded liberal icon got caught like a deer in the headlights and after months on the offensive, the second somebody said, "Whoa, Nance. Looks like you've got some splainin' to do..." she freaked out in front of the cameras.

Those of us who think techniques like waterboarding have their place were frankly sick of her going on the news day in and day out looking flabbergasted that it had ever occurred, shocked that the US might have even considered it, angry at the people who approved it, and ignorant of the fact that it was ever on the table.

And the minute those tables were turned and she got caught, the priceless look on her face just took my happy little breath away. Finally, she has to shut up because she just doesn't know what to say when she's challenged.

Diversion from the topic of torture? Lie. That's a great. Big. Lie.