I know that Katherine Jackson got temp. custody of his 3 kids yesterday, But do you think that it is a good or bad plan? We are talking about it at work and a majority of everyone here says that giving Katherine the children was a bad mistake. they feel that one of his brothers or sisters should have stepped up and took the children instead of putting this on Katherine esp, because of the abuse her husband put their own children through. A few think that Joe is going to do to his grandchildren what he did to his own children. Personally, I think the children are safe with their grandmother, I could also swear that I heard that the children themselves had said they want to be with their grandmother. I just hope now that Michael is gone that their mother doesn't come forward and say " I want my kids back" because didn't she sign off on her rights to them for money?

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I feel bad for the children. I am not sure who should get custody. I do have some mixed feelings about the grandmother, mostly because of all the hype I have heard about Joe being abusive to his own children, I cannot imagine putting these children in a home where history could repeat itself. Not sure about the natural mother either. I think its going to be a confusing mess for all involved. Hopefully the will might shed a little light on this issue.

Funny, I just heard about this on the radio. They were saying that Debra Rowe has said that she won't contest the custody or challenge it. She says those kids are not hers and they belong to the grandmother. I, think that perhaps one of the younger siblings should have the kids just because of the ages of the kids. But from what I remember, weren't the siblings estranged somewhat? So, maybe the kids don't know their aunts and uncles well enough to feel safe there.

I would hope that they have learned something about how to raise kids and the mistakes of the past won't happen again to the Jackson grandchildren. I would hope that after the next little bit to not hear about those three children again until one of them graduates from college or something. They shouldn't live in the public eye. We do not know anything about Tito's kids or Jermaines and I think that is how MJ wanted to raise his kids so I hope that happens.

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well if TMZ is right neither micheal or debbie are the parents

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Again very sad for these children, of course the most important issue is the well being and he upmost care for these children who in essense only had one parent their dad and their nanny. Who I read only from the New York Post, that Micheal requested that if anything happened to him that the children should be raised by their nanny who was in their lives for 10 years. As far as the grandparents I too am a bit afarid his mom Katherine seems nice again seems I honestly do not know much about the mom, how ever the Dad I do not like as from reading Micheal's family history and how he beat his children I would want that person Grandparent or nor around my children to especially have custody and raise them, again my personal views. In the end I sincerely pray the best and most responsible person is chosen and also that all three children stay together... Peace. Catherine

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I was just listening to the radio and they are talking about this. Apparantly Joe Jackson lives in Vegas and hasn't lived with Katherine for a long time. So, her having the children doesn't mean he'll have anything to do with them.

They were also stating that Michael isn't the biological father (big suprise since they're white) but that Debbie Rowe was just a surragote...she is not the biological mother. That really explains a lot to me. I've always wondered how she could just walk away and leave her kids. But I guess the marraige was just a farce so Michael could be a father.

They also said that Michael and his mother were very close and the kids are happy to be with her. The also said that Michaels will completely left Joe out of it. That close to a billion dollars is left to his kids, his mother & a couple charities.

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I heard the same thing. Temp guardianship was given to Katherine. Joe was not mentioned. She lives in CA and Joe in Las Vegas. I think the kids should be with Michaels Mother. They know her and are comfortable with her.

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I think my main concern is that from what has been said...Joe is still a part of Katherines life. They live in seperate towns, but are not divorced, or even legally seperated and from all accounts, still spend a great deal of time together. Of course, the information being spead all over the news may not be telling the entire truth. It will probably come down to the will or a judge deciding the future of these children.

If the kids are to inherit any money, you can bet Joe Jackson will try to be back in their lives. Yesterday I saw him on tv talking about Michael and he brought up and was publicizing his own record label. Joe Jackson is pond scum.

Katherine is 79 years old and the youngest is 7 I believe. What happens when she can't handle them or passes away? I know the oldest boy is 12 so it's only 6 years until he is of age. If they could get the nanny back that they are so close to and have her co-parent in some way I think that would be the best for the children. I don't know how much contact Katherine and Joe have but I would not want Joe around those kids very often. I did hear that when Joe's in town he stays at her home. I'm sure it's massive and maybe even then they don't have much contact but I can't see how Michael would have wanted Joe to have any part in raising his kids. They sure are cute kids. Are they really not his biological kids???

"The also said that Michaels will completely left Joe out of it. That close to a billion dollars is left to his kids, his mother & a couple charities." Explain to me how he can be worth a billion dollars when he was 500 million in debt?? I do not understand that!

I feel very sorry for these kids. I think they have had a very protected life from the start and now they are thrown in this spotlight. Very sad.

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Part of MJ estate is the rights to half the Beatles music. That is worth a fortune in royalties and future earnings. The royalties off the music he left behind will be worth a fortune. For every CD that is sold his estate will get a part of. Perhaps now that he is dead, there will be less hanger oners and the money will get where it is supposed to...to his bank account. I read once where he made a million dollars but after everyone got his cut, he actually made 200,000.

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It is not just Beatles music he owns. It is a huge sony library, including Neil Diamond, Lady Gaga and much more.

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Michael's oldest child's middle name is Joseph. His second child's middle name is Katherine.. From what I heard, no one has been able to find a will. 79 isn't always old.

Michael's most valuable asset is co ownership of the Beatle's songbook. It's worth a lot more than his debts.

It's probably a good idea that Michael kept their faces hidden for the most part. They can go out in public without being mobbed.

He's a tool. I saw the interview he did at the BET awards -- big. giant. tool

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The kids are set for life. Shrewd purchase even if Paul McCartney didn't talk to him for years.

I read somewhere that he was a very shrewd businessman.

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Yes, he was! A lot of people did not realize that.

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when did he get the third child? Blanket? I dont remember ever hearing about him/her whatever it is. and who would name their child blanket???

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I think he was adopted. He is not an "it", but a human little boy. That is not his real name, geez. You ever heard of nick names? His real name is Prince Michael Jackson II

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I don't think MJ is the actual father, either. The whole thing about Debbie Rowe giving up her rights..... what kind of person does that??? There is WAYYYY more to it than we will ever know. The fact does remain, tho, that it's a big mess, and very very sad.

I would like to see Katherine Jackson get custody, and retain the Nanny they are used to having around. I don't know why Debbie Rowe, as a mother, would give up her parental rights?

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Either way, they are legally his children. I really don't know what would be best for them, but I just hope they get placed in the best possible home. We have no idea as to where that would be. I really feel for them. I honestly think they had a good life and that he was a devoted and loving father.

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If you re read my post groovygirl, you will see I said he/ she. I didnt know which it was. ALSO. I have not heard his name on the news. Just the name blanket.
Geez

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I think the grandmother having the kids for now is the best solution, someone had to be chosen at least temporarily. Sure she is elderly, but certainly there are relatives and nannies to help.
I believe MJ also owned the Elvis music catalog in addition to the Beatles so even if he spent money like water I don't see his estate as being 'in debt' overall. If things are properly handled his children are likely to inherit many millions.

Groovygirl has a habit of saying that you posted things or words that you did not. Go read the closed thread about Farrah Fawcett. She did the same thing to me.

Yep. I remember that thread.

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Michael Jackson has the following children
By Debbie Rowe: Michael Joseph Jackson, Jr., nicknamed "Prince", 12 years old
Paris Michael Katherine Jackson, Don't know if she has a nickname, age 11.

And by a surrogate:Prince Michael Jackson II, nicknamed "Blanket", age 7

You heard about Blanket. He's the one that was dangled over the railing.

oh yea, I had forgotten about that.

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No, actually...YOU did that to you. It is all there to be read, except for any editing you might have done. I was never talking about what YOU said, but what those people you kept quoting said. I can't believe you are trying to follow me and make trouble now....you bitter, angry girl. Please let it go already.

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You are extremely PARANOID. I am not able to edit anything off of the ostomy board. Why is that? Because I was not logged in with my username there and I never posted on the Farrah thread at the ostomy board. I gave the link here. Anyone can go and read at the ostomy board. I cannot edit someone else's posts on another board.

I C&P from that board exactly as everyone else saw it and sees it. That also goes for today's new thread about Farrah Fawcett Part 2. I am not a mod there. I have *no powers*. LOL. I cannot edit someone else's posts. Good grief.

Bitter, angry girl? You are paraniod. Jeesh. I think you are delusional or something.

Calm down woman! You did not even understand what I wrote...lol@you! It is not that serious.....have fun, though! I see you like drama.

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Us magazine is reporting that the bio father of the kids is the dermatologist doctor.. the doctor, who treated Michael and was Debbie Rowe's boss...of course, it's a tabloid, not a 'credible' source so who knows...

We will really never know, I am sure. All that really matters is that the kids are in a happy, loving home. We can only hope.

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You know what...you don't know me. Or....do you? Think about that.

Why can you call me whatever you want (bitter, angry) and I call you delusional. You don't like that, do you? You think you are the all authority here. You criticize everyone when they post things you don't like or do not agree with.

I wouldn't be too sure of that. If the bio father is as greedy as most people around Jackson seemed to be, he is liable to sue for custody.

LOL. I am not bothered by what you call me. I am not criticizing anyone but you.

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OMG! That would be a mess!

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and wouldn't that make for interesting "news"?

Regardless, of who ends up w/ custody, I hope those children are raised in a relatively "normal" enviroment and provided a safe and secure life until such time as they can fend for themselves. I really feel sorry for those kids on so many levels.

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I hope that his mother, Katherine, is in good health and has a few good years left (I think she's 79). You can bet her estranged husband will be back in good graces with his wife. I hope that if she passes before he does, Joe doesn't end up with Katherine's inheritance. If his son left him with nothing, there's good reason why. Katherine really needs to think about where her share will go when she passes. Should it go to Michael's siblings or children?

Michael is worth quite a bit, even after all the debts are paid. I know his smartest business move (whether it actually was his idea, who knows) was acquiring ATV Music Publishing Co., who among many artists included most of the Beatle songs. Jackson purchased it for 47.5 million, and today the worth may be as high as 1.5 billion They also include many other artists including the Jonas Brothers and Taylor Swift.

Interestingly, his Neverland estate almost went to auction last year. Somehow he was able to prevent it from going to auction. I know that the property is much more valuable now, so it's a good thing he found some cash flow. Also, just a couple of months ago some of personal belongings were to be auctioned off. For some reason, he called off the auction. Again, those personal items, like his notorious glove, are worth much more now than a couple of months ago.

Someone mentioned that his dermatologist was the sperm donor. That theory could be true since it's obvious that the children are white; no way are biologically his children. I guess we will never know why he did not want to be the biological father of any of his children.

So many mysteries.

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I don't like to see the kids going to Katherine, partly because of her age, and partly because if Joe abused those kids, she was an accomplice if she didn't try to stop it. Doesn't he have any "normal" brothers? Janet and LaToya seem nuts, but what happened to the rest of the boys?

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I read today that MJ hadnt adopted the kids, of course since the daddy of the older two kids is supposedly his long time dermatologist i am sure things will be ok but the younger one might be in trouble. who wouldnt legally adopt their kids?? of course if he did then it would show he wasnt the real dad to them. As far as finding out that debbies eggs wasnt used explains a whole lot. bc i always wondered how you could deliver your own kids and not care about them. and then give an interview that says you were just a vessel and like one of your horses that gives birth.

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I don't think he adopted them, because he said they were his kids. Legally, they were born into the marriage, so they are his children and you do not need to adopt your own children.

As for her. Word is that she used her own eggs now.

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I'm not sure I follow this. By this thinking, if a married woman were to have an affair and get pregnant by a man other than her DH, that child would be the legal child of her DH, even tho he is NOT the bio father??

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I got my law degree from watching Law and Order but I seem to remember that children born in a marraige are considered children by the man in that marraige in the eyes of the law.

Or at least in NY where Law and Order is taped.

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I heard them talking about that yesterday - that under CA law, MJs kids were born into their marriage, so they are "his". Don't know if that's legally true, but thats what they said on the radio.

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OMG, it's the money you could be saving with Geico. Dumb, but struck me as funny at the time

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Well, I hope it is settled now. His will stated he wanted his mother to have them and if she was not alive, Dianna Ross. I hope it is honored.

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I hope Ross knows about this. Even if she does, I have a feeling she never thought it would actually happen. She's no spring chicken either. I wonder if there's someone third and fourth in line? It seems, years ago when we did a will and our kids were small, the lawyer made us come up with several contingencies for everything, including a number of choices for the kids.

Did some looking myself, and from what I read, the "bio" father can't even contest paternity in California. I don't see how that can even be legal?? I mean, what if a woman has an affair, and the biological father wants to be a parent to the child?? It is like he now has no rights???

So, is it official that the Dermatology doctor is the father??

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Well, I would think he talked with her about it, but who knows. She is a lot younger than Katherine.

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Diana Ross is 65yo.
What ever happened to Reebie Jackson? Is there a reason we never read/see/hear anything about her?