Wow! Just saw on CNN Steve McNair found shot to death. Sad!

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I just heard that too. Weird.

I live about 16 miles from where he was found dead. Big news here. Not confirmed, but heavily rumored to be a murder/suicide between McNair and his girlfriend. His wife and four sons live in Mississippi. Steve just opened a restaurant 2-3 weeks ago in Nashville and was traveling back and forth between MS and TN. Sad, and I feel for all loved ones involved, but *usually* when someone is found shot they are doing something that they shouldn't have been. Notice I said *usually*. I'm not saying everyone that is shot/murdered is respomsible for their fate. I know there are random/senseless acts of violence out there.

a 36 yr old with a 20 year old in a condo. seen going in at 1-2am day before.

check with local strip clubs about their Titan patronage going back years

girl arrested DUI 2 nights before with McNair in car with her--told police she was not drunk, just high

Caddy Escalade in both their names

hmmmmm

poor Michelle McNair

Yeah, I simply cannot comprehend why people put themselves in the situations that they do....not saying that's necessarily the case here...but you know the average Joe just doesn't get into trouble like all the high-profile folks do - I don't believe that I know anyone who carries a gun around when not out hunting. And it's not like these folks don't have the financial means to keep themselves out of it.

That said, this surprises me with Steve McNair....tragic and sad for the family.

cj/

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I wonder which was which

I read he had been shot several times and she had only one shot to the head. Plus the gun was found next to her. Sounds like he was the murder and she was the suicide. (Although, I guess not necessarily if he shot her once and then shot himself several times and was able to get the gun next to her before he died.)

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I think you're right. Seems like he got mixed up with a piece of trash. Did he meet the trashy girlfriend at the strip club?

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While I do not know the individuals personally, I'll tell you what the local media is reporting. The young lady didn't seem "trashy" - but more likely naive and taken with SMc's charm. She was a hard worker at a Dave-n-Busters. How many 20 y.o. women have been promised by a married, older man that he was leaving his wife and they would soon be together? Not saying that's what was going on, but police interviews with those who knew the couple suggest something of that nature. Humans are flawed, we all make mistakes. Sometimes our choices can have tragic outcomes.

Very sad tragic story all around I feel so bad for his wife and their 4 sons... peace. Catherine

how sad for all the parties involved~~

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SAD FOR HIS WIFE

he could have spent his time better being with his 4 sons

Why is the girlfriend trashy?? I missed that whole assumption in the media.

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Maybe because she was having an affair with a married man who has a family????

I read today that she bought the gun a few days ago.

So he has been in TN opening a new restaurant and the family, for the most part ,has been back in MS. Supposedly he met this girlfriend 6-8 months ago and has taken her on a number of trips and given her the Escalade ( those football playes love their Escalades), although it did say that both their names were on the registration.

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How do you know that he did not tell her that he was separated? Or going through a divorce? How do you assume that?? And if he bought her a car and it was in both names why would she think otherwise?

And that still would not make her a bad person...

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He probably promised her the world and then some. Guess he picked the wrong girl to toy with. It's sad, but eventually something would have come to a head if he were stringing along two (maybe more) women.

I'll never understand why a man would think he can have his cake and eat it too.

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Why is it assumed the girl is 'trash' but the man is not? Let's see.... HE was the married man cheating on his wife. He seems like the trashy one to me.

He was an older, married father having an affair with a much younger single women. He was the one who said the vows....not her. Not that I condone affairs, but he was the one who had the commitments. I think the situation is very sad, and I feel for his wife and children.

I'd say they were BOTH behaving trashily. He was one who said vows, not her, which is true. So he was trashy. And she was a willing participant in taking up with a man who had made vows to another woman, and that's pretty trashy, too.

A man of integrity would not do what he did.
A woman of integrity would not do what she did.

I'll take a Duggar over people who behave like that any day.

I don't buy this for such a "super star" ( football that is ). It would be all over the NFL if they were. Plus she if she wanted to could look into such things as this.. He wasn't some regular Joe. She loved the stuff he was pushing to her. I do believe that she knew he was married and knowing cheating dogs like him they will say about anything to keep thier " side dish". He more than likely promise her the moon and stars, promised to leave his wife ( alt ho not all men promise that ) and it came to a head and she wanted more than what he was willing to give her. She like many probably thought well if i can't have him no one will.( happens all the time ).

I think since she got the gun a few days before this happen she already knew what she was planning to do if he said no to her.( why buy one if not for this).

Both are just as trashy as the other one. Him more so since he made the vows and had children with his wife. Her because she could have picked anyone unmarried to carry on with. She wanted just what she was getting. till the getting was answered in a no.

Of course IMHO anyway.

Honestly, I dont think it is fair to say that they were acting like trash... We have no idea what was going on in the marital home. It was up for sale so how does anyone know that they were not talking of divorce or separating. Anyone who has BTDT knows that there is talk before anything legal happens.

I just think it is a very sad situation and it is sadder still that people judge him for having an affair. That does not make you trash..

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Having an affair does make both of them trash / (insert one's word preference here). Having a parent choose to spend time with a boy/girl friend and not their children does make that person trash.

Too many parents are too consumed with having sex/relationships over and above their responsibility to their children.

Consider that this affair - which you condone - had it not been going on, both would still be alive. Trash, yes. Easily. Rotten trash.

dl

I personally have always believed and always will you cannot have your cake and eat it also. So for me personally anyone who decided to cheat on their spouse for whatever reason, must choose to tell the spouse , either the couple decided together they want the marriage to work and they will seek professional help and if that fails , and there is no hope for the marriage to continue, then divorce, then you can part separate ways and then find companionship elsewhere, then this way no one is cheating. At least this is what I totally believe in. Peace. Catherine

I don't condone affairs, either, for any reason. I don't care what the circumstances were. As Dr. Phil says, you end one relationship before you start another. Period. It does not matter if they were having marital problems or not. He had not ended the marriage. I'm assuming he had told the mistress that he would not leave his wife for her, otherwise why would she have killed him? They're both scum, IMO.

Lisa

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I believe it was reported today that the mistress had become enraged and overwhelmed several days prior to the shooting after she discovered he was sleeping with yet another woman.

That would be correct in what you read, not only did it say he was cheating the girlfriend followed the "new flav" to her apartment but, didnt get out and confront her... also the place where he met the girlfriend some 8 months ago was the very same place he took his family many times to eat, so that knocks the hell out of her NOT knowing he was married... The girlfriend was up to her eyeballs in bills she couldn't pay. One being the SUV that was in both their names she made all the payments on it, plus another car she owned , rent, etc etc.( Aww how kind he allowed her to pay for all this on a waitress pay ).. McNair's manager stated there was no break up in the marriage nor any problems ( little did he know about McNair's affairs)
Mrs. McNair stated she didn't know the girlfriend.( guess when you go out to eat last thing you are thinking about it taking names of your waitress in case your husband tried or does have an affair with her ).she told her Friends that her life was *hit* and she should just end it all. I already knew she got the gun for killing him why would anyone just buy a gun out of the blue ?. So here's the fully story on what MSN has reported on the murder/suicide.

Here's the fully story Per MSN.

Police rule McNair shootings a murder-suicide - FOX Sports on MSN

Hearsay and speculation... the only people who really know what happened in that apartment are dead and can not say anything at this point. And his wife, I feel very sorry for her, however she is not going to say "Well yea we were separated" and take a chance of the will, inheritance whatever being contested.

I really think it is harsh to judge someone who was having an affair. Especially since they can not defend themselves.

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Sorry, but I can't ever condone an affair. Call that judgmental if you must. I've seen them ruin the lives of way too many children. That man was a father and he had no business being anywhere with any twenty year old 'thing' while he had four young children to care for.

Are you aware that he was riding with the girlfriend/murderer last week while she was impaired? While officers were making her 'walk the line' he got out of the car and into a cab and just left her alone to be arrested? Why was he even letting her drive him around in that condition?

I can understand people being unhappy with the state of their marriage, but cheating is never the answer, and that's exactly what he was doing.

I don't know if you were a fan of his or why you find it so easy to defend his obviously classless behavior, but it's pretty evident that both of them were behaving badly and indefensibly.

We can agree to disagree.. I still think it is specualtion. We have NO IDEA what was going on in the marital home..

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I can tell you why she was driving and not him. The police in that town arrested him in 2008 or was it 2007 for DUI, He even told the girlfriend that same police officer would get her 1 day also and he did !. He didn't drive that SUV that night and took the cab because he too was drunk or had been drinking . Since both names were on the SUV he could have taken the truck that night had he wanted to. McNair also bailed her out that night
And while we can't say for sure what took place we can say this.
He was 17 years her senior, he was married under every single state in the USA by law, He had 4 children at home. He titled a SUV in her and his name,
He didn't file for a divorce and( as far as everyone knew him and his wife still lived other and shared the same household.) And while you may be able to say not to judge I rather judge him on his own actions that speak volumes to me. Any man thats married has NO business trotting around with a 20 year old, Co-Signing a SUV in both their names and he sure as hell had NO business with her in his apartment... As far as the wife goes what more can she lose ?. The father of the 4 children she had with him are now fatherless, their income has taken a huge blow, She too probably will end up with nothing more than a bank account and bills.

Yes, we have no idea what was going on in the marital home. SO WHAT???? Does that justify an affair while still married AND with children at home? Heck NO. You reap what you sow and it sure looks like he was out there sowing...... Dannic, I don't know how you can be defending him so much when so much is obvious. You may be a fan of his but that's immaterial to the facts. My son was wearing his jersey just the other day but he's not defending his behavior.

That was a VERY expensive piece of ass. In this case, it destroyed many lives, especially innocent children. IMHO, both of them were trash. Him and her. "What goes around, comes around".

As I wrote in another, if the affair wasn't going on, they would both still be alive !!!! A will most likely would stand with the wife benefitting - if contested. Even if they were legally separated, the will still stands. Nothing is final until the actual divorce decree.

Harsh? Judge? Defend? I'd laugh if your thinking wasn't so misconstrued and unbalanced. Then we can let off the hook others who aren't conducting themselves responsibly, or are breaking the law. Start with thieves, continue with embezzlers, hats off to the child molesters, oh and the prostitutes/pimps, surely the wife beaters, why not?

No one is responsible and ANYTHING people want to do is ok nowadays. Wrong, wrong, wrong.

dl

Only a truly paranoid person would interpret dannic's comments the way that you have. She merely says you aren't qualified to judge these people because none of us knew what was going on in or outside of the marriage.

They were all human beings . Shame on you.

There is little left to interpret when a rational person reads what dannic wrote. I am not paranoid, much less truly paranoid. I didn't judge anyone, that's a tired and worn out word to hide behind.

I didn't talk about the marriage or the affair tidbits. You don't get it either in this case. No affair = 2 lving people. Affair = 2 dedd people.

dl

Hmmmm.....why would a person defend someone's "right" to have an affair?

Under no circumstances, no way no how is an affair an appropriate behaviour or action.

He made a bad decision (or several)--why should society glorify his bad behaviour??
Some people....jeez! Common sense and decency don't seem to be that difficult to grasp!

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You are quite paranoid. You accused her of condoning affairs, pedophilia, theft, ect. If you're not paranoid, you're quite a silly and sanctimonious person.

Your math doesn't work. Mark Sanford had an affair; he's still alive. John Edwards had an affair; he's still alive. John Ensign had an affair; he's still alive and he was a promisekeeper.

I don't get it. I have never gotten myself confused with God.

Ah, but confused you are. This thread isn't about Sanford, Edwards, Ensign, etc, etc. You just brought them into it now.

Keep picking solely on me, I am not confused. Yours are easily read and understood as well. You take up the cause for one poster and flame another. Keep getting your cheerleading tights in a bunge. YOU GO !!! RAH!!!

dl

If we use dannic's rationale: We don't know what any couple's relationship is. So, if a husband hits his wife, let's say it's ok. I mean after all--we don't know. She could have done or said something to "provoke" him.
Really people. Wrong is wrong. There is no rationale to excuse some things.

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No one is picking on you, little one. Sorry, no cheerleading tights here to get in a bunch. You come off like a sanctimonious prig.

Talking with youis like being transported back to Junior High.

First of all I am saying that we do not know the nature of his relationship with his wife and we should not judge others.
My EXH and I separated and had nothing filed in the courts yet. He met and moved in with someone else prior to me filing. Does that mean he had an affair? Technically yes, however we were separated.
You never know what the situation was.

And marilynk, why bring up hitting wives? We are talking about sleeping with someone other then your wife.

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As I indicated---you could use the same argument of "well, we don't know what was going on in their married life/relationship" to justify abuse.

But, I see on another thread, why you would like to be able to justify an extramarital affair....

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