Jon has been very dissapointing in his behavior lately. Maybe Kate had a reason to treat him like a little child. He seems to be acting like one lately. Taking his girlfreind (who he said just a few months ago was just a freind?) to France, and then buying her a $180,000 engagement ring? Hello, he is not even divorced yet!Also, who is paying for all this? The only income is from the shows of his children, so it seems to me that his kids are financing him running around with another woman, instead of at least being home in the states with the kids. Not very grown up behavior JON!

Last I heard he didn't buy her an engagement ring. I think he and Kate both have major "issues".

wow 180.000 engagment ring, I sincerely hope this is not true... He first better get his personal life in order and handle the problems he has with his first wife Kate and of course why about his 8 kids they should come first and foremost. The saga continues..sadly... Well will enough be enough. Peace. Catherine

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I am so tired of the kate mess.This woman is horrible. she was in nc with the kids and of course the body guard and she treated people who live where she was visiting horrble. she was rude to the people who was working at the ice cream shop and also to anyone who spoke to her or the kids. I think the locals was glad she took her whinning kids and left!

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"Not very grown up behavior JON" Yet Kate Screwing her body guard IS grown up behavior??
So he has a GF. So what! It is public knowledge that they are divorcing. Let him enjoy his life. He is probably free for once and wants to do what HE wants to do.

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But he's NOT free. He is the father of 8 kids, the two oldest are oldest to understand all some of this.
Who's to say that he didn't have this girlfriend PRIOR to the filing for divorce? If I'm not mistaken, Kate filed for divorce. Perhaps she was tired of Jon's acting like a hormone driven teenager----chasing anything in a skirt. Who knows!?
With the rare exception: One person can't make a marriage work, and one person can't make a marriage fail. It's usually the fault of both parties.
It's almost like you have empathy for this man because you've either been the "other woman" or you've been the spouse who starts acting like an idiot.

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I have empathy because I have sat here and watched his wife treat him and talk to him like a piece of garbage. FOR MONTHS!
I do not see how his obligation to his kids has anything to do with him getting engaged. He still sees the kids and from the pics I have seen he is a damn good father to them.
Yet amazing how no one is telling Kate to grow up... She was having an affair too. But lets make John out to be the bad guy!!

I have a friend who lives in the town in NC where kate and the kids were. The rumor in the town is that they were ASKED to leave.. Because she is such a biatch!

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I had a long reply to this, but decided to erase it. It seems like you are getting pretty upset over this. Why not just change the channel?

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Poor Jon in his 1.3M apartment. Poor Jon flying off to France and boating on the Riviera. Poor Jon seen leaving a restaurant with yet another young woman. Poor Jon working so hard day in and day out to provide for his children.

What Kate needs to do is give Jon full custody for a full month and give herself time to relax, regroup, try to figure out what she saw in him in the first place and how to move forward now.

I think if I were taking care of that many kids at one time, with no help from their father, physically or financially, I might be a little shrewish also. I think she needs some "Kate" time, alone and away from the crowds and the kids.

And they both need to grow up.
They also need to quit spending so much money.

I get upset over the fact that everyone is so quick to point out his faults... and overlook hers.

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Where were you a month ago when people were bashing Kate? I believe if you choose to do some research you could find at least one, probably more, discussion where Kate was ripped to shreds. Maybe she was a bitch because he was an immature *******. Maybe she was overbearing w/ him because if she wasn't he'd waste money. Maybe....who knows. Having only watched this play out in the media (I didn't watch the show), I can say that both of them look to be to blame for the dissolution of their marriage.

What you see on "reality" TV is NOT REAL! It's edited for drama and to bring in ratings.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't you defend a spouses right to cheat in a thread not too long ago? And didn't it come out that when you hooked up w/ your current signficant other he was married? Perhaps the whole Jon and Kate thing is a bit too close to your home door. I don't know....

At least Kate has shown a little bit of class and is not out on the town w/ young, nubile boys all the time, and hasn't already got "engaged" (if the tabloids are to be believed).

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I so agree with you Marilyn. My biggest issue with Jon is he's out there flaunting it before he's even divorced. Right out there for all his kids to see. I haven't seen Kate out running around the world being photographed with some young guy like Jon has. He is not "free" and won't be "free" until all his kids are grown. He needs to be a smart responsible parent which he doesn't seem to be right now.

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Right now he is acting awfully immature. I have not seen any pictures of Kate with a boyfriend running off to another country. She is at home taking care of the kids. My personal opinion is that Jon needs to grow up and take responsibility for his eight children. You are entitled to have a girlfriend if you wish, ,but do you have to flaunt it in everyone's face? Including your own children whose mother you are not yet divorced from?

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I think they are both a mess.

I think it's yucky that he and a girlfriend are traipsing around the world while she is home with the kids, and I thought it was yucky when she and her bodyguard were traipsing around the country while he was home with the kids.

Wowitsdark I totally agree you 100 percent they are both to blame and both at fault.I am not saying the way Kate treated him on the show was okay it was not.However again it is reality t.v. so who really knows what is real and what is fake. All I know at this point the main focus should be first and foremost their 8 children. Then of course they have to work on their personal relationship as it applies to the family they created. Honestly they have been on so many magazine front covers enough is enough they need to get out of the spotlight and focus on their family. Peace. Catherine

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"Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't you defend a spouses right to cheat in a thread not too long ago? And didn't it come out that when you hooked up w/ your current signficant other he was married? Perhaps the whole Jon and Kate thing is a bit too close to your home door. I don't know...."
I stated if they were apart and divorce was filed for then YES I THOUGHT IT WAS OK TO MOVE ON WITH YOUR LIFE. Divorces can and do drag on for literally years. Do you think that they should still remain faithful to the spouse they are divorcing for years? No one should be expected to do that. Kate would be just the same type of person to hold on for years trying to screw everyone.

And you are wrong agin because I didnt hook up with my current S/O as you put it... I became friends with a man who was married, who chose to end his marriage and attempt to find happiness somewhere else. And he is now my husband... Not S/O.

"What you see on "reality" TV is NOT REAL! It's edited for drama and to bring in ratings. " TOUCHE... How do you know that what you are seeing about him is true??

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touchy, touchy, touchy!
I don't know what I see about him is true---I've always said that it takes 2 to make a marriage and it takes 2 to dissolve a marriage (generally speaking there are exceptions). Thus I really think both have behaved badly. Apparently Kate either had the good sense or good handlers to not be seen out w/ young stud muffins. Jon apparently doesn't. Period.
You also stated that everyone was jumping on poor downtrodden Jon. About a month ago, everyone was jumping on bitchy, catty Kate...So, I don't buy that he's a victim.
The only ones who are victims are the 8 children involved.

I think you feel defensive about this because you see some of your own situation. Not a big deal--we all are more sensitive to issues that we have personal experience with. Perhaps you have some issues that you need to deal with, perhaps not. And before you even go there---I know I have issues. I deal with them every day. I work on them and I try not to jump to conclusions based on surface information.

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[quote=wildwood;3284131]Poor Jon in his 1.3M apartment. Poor Jon flying off to France and boating on the Riviera. Poor Jon seen leaving a restaurant with yet another young woman. Poor Jon working so hard day in and day out to provide for his children.

What Kate needs to do is give Jon full custody for a full month and give herself time to relax, regroup, try to figure out what she saw in him in the first place and how to move forward now.


Amen to that. What most of don't realize is maybe Kate treated him like a child because he is a child! He truly is acting like an immature, impulsive 12 year old. (Really, how should she treat him when he acts like a child?)

What is so sad is both of them got a taste of real money, and like it. Now, if they quit the show, how the money keep rolling in? (Maybe when the 5 yr old sextuplets start school full time, they won't be around enough to really have a show). I had heard, and I really don't believe it, is that the girlfriend will be part of the cast next season. You know this girlfriend was only 16 or 17 when Jon first met her, and Jon had to be around 27 or 28. She was really just a kid. When did this friendship evolve?

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We know that Jon has a girlfriend and there were pictures of them together before Kate filed for divorce. How do we know there is anything more between her and her bodyguard? There could be but who knows. I have probably watched all the shows and Kate can be loud and bossy but I would be to with 8 small kids. It always looked like it was like good cop bad cop. Jon was the good cop and Kate was the bad cop. The bad cop always looks like the bad one.

I love how everyone passes judgment like the REALLY know what is going on with their marriage....and even more fascinated that anyone really cares about these people and why they continue to let them be famous. Ask yourself, is your life really that empty or boring that you need to analyze the relationship of these reality tv freaks? If so, I have some stuff that can keep you busy....my baseboards, windows, and closet all need some help...unless you are an outdoor person...you can get to those weeds for me.

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I just wanted to add about the flaunting. How can he NOT? The pap's watch their every move. I bet they have no privacy.

Was flipping through channels and landed on one for 08 for a few minutes where they went out to dinner just the two of them. Normally a couple would say I love you to each other. Nope they said I like you, and I like you too

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I don't get this either. But as long as there are people to buy into "TrashTV", the networks will put it out there.

The saddest part of all this is the kids. It's hard enough being in a troubled family, but they get to have it for ALL to see -- all at the expense of "entertainment".

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EXACTLY!! I don't believe any of us have a true notion of what is really going on. What we see is what the tabloids choose for us to see and make us think is going on. We don't know what is actually true or just a small portion of the truth.

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I disagree.

Sort of.

I think it's insane that we have devolved to a point where this represents 'pop culture' stuff to our world. Insane. Trashy. Small. Shallow.

I've watched the show a small handful of times, mostly when my kids had been channel-surfing and landed on their show, and it was easy to get sucked into watching how it worked having soooo many little kids. When *that* was what the show was about, it didn't seem so much like tabloid tv, and I think a segment of Americans developed sort of an emotional attachment to those strangers on tv. When you've watched them through the initial struggles associated with juggling those babies, and seen them sometimes be great together and sometimes snap at each other - just like you'd assume any normal couple would do in that sort of a situation - well, I think for some viewers what began as 'interest' evolved into 'connectedness' with that family, if only in their minds.

I think we have to remember that this didn't start out as a show about a family in shambles. For those who have followed them the whole way through, it's no wonder there is a high level of interest. We're all about sequels... from seeing how Harry Potter plays out to soap operas, even when it ISN'T a real live family, we always wait with baited breath for the next chapter in the story.

But this is way different. I think many people have started to tune in BECAUSE of the tabloid feel of it all - people who never gave a whit before.

The part I disagree with - the part about us not really KNOWING what the truth is - well, here's how I see it:

They're all stupid people. We don't need to know the details of exactly how all of this has gone down to know that BOTH of them are individuals with very, very poor judgment. BOTH of them are individuals who aren't putting the best interests of the kids first. Regardless of who is sleeping with whom and when it began, regardless of whether she was really controlling ALL the time or ONLY in the parts that made it to tv (and the other 23.8 hours of her day when she was the perfect mother are on the cutting room floor)... the bottom line is that they had the power to stand up and say, "Wait. Hold on. This is our life and we don't like the way it's being portrayed and we don't like the fact that it's become and invasion and we don't like that our private moments are turned into public fodder. It's not normal and it's not healthy for our kids and after this season... it stops."

Nope.

Neither of them had what it took to say that. When there were choices to be made, they chose to continue down the path of the public eye. I am sure it's expensive to raise that many kids, but for the amount of money they made from just the first season or two plus the income he USED to have, they could have made it. People make it on less than they would have had at their disposal all the time, even prorated out per family member.

But THEY chose the path. HE chose it. SHE chose it. Their kids, by default, had no choice, but had to LIVE it.

So regardless of the he said, she said details, which ones are true and which ones are not, what we KNOW to be true is that they have been the makers of this destiny... and it's not a destiny I find very impressive at all.

I have only seen the show once or twice. (We don't have cable or satelite) so I'm not on the up and up about who said this, or who did that, or who is doing who! But I DO feel bad for those kids. They are so cute! How will this messy situation affect them later on? Will there be regrets? Will the kids suffer, or be able to deal with the separation?

I wonder when the kids grow up more will they be upset that their parents aired their dirty laundry for all of america to see!

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Those kids will always be in the public eye, even if each choses to live a private life. If anything happens of the least importance, the newpaper stories will print it and the child will carry the tag " one of the eight children featured in J+K+8".


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I don't like either one of them...I've only seen the show a few times...She seems bossy, mean, and very much into herself...He seems very immature...He's like a kid in a candy store lately...I just read that he's got a new girlfriend...First Deanna, then Hailey, now this one...He sure doesn't stay with any of them for very long...I wonder who his flavor of the week will be next? ~Lisa

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