What? We're financing offshore drilling now??

wowitsdark · #1 (**permalink**) 08-21-2009, 02:27 PM

Bizarre... and wrong, IMHO.

The current administration does not support drilling in Alaska or off of our own shores, but is okay with loaning Brazil $2B to do it, which could position them as the largest oil exporter in the world?

I guess the positive side to this is that if it is found, Brazil isn't a Middle Eastern nation so the political issues surrounding purchasing oil from them would be much tidier.

But if it's wrong for us to do it, why are we backing *them* to do it?

<scratches head in confusion>

President Obama Finances Offshore Drilling in Brazil - WSJ.com

janenga · #2 (**permalink**) 08-21-2009, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by wowitsdark

Funny...I've been doing this since January regarding this administration. Oh wait...let me guess....there is going to be an offshore drilling czar right? Maybe that's why it's ok to do this instead of getting oil FROM OUR OWN DAMN COUNTRY.

mom2twins2 · #3 (**permalink**) 08-22-2009, 04:59 PM

This administration has no idea what they're doing. Sometimes I think they just get up in the morning and throw a dart at a board of 'things to do'!! (Or things they can mess up today).

And this cash for clunkers thing -- the car dealerships will be lucky if they get any of their money from the government. What a mess....!!

I heard this morning there's a new czar --- a cigarette czar!!!

wowitsdark · #4 (**permalink**) 08-22-2009, 06:37 PM

Yep. I'll bet you're right about the darts!

Where the health care thing is concerned, I thought this piece was right on target.

Peggy Noonan: Pull the Plug on ObamaCare - WSJ.com

"Every big idea that works is marked by simplicity, by clarity. You can understand it when you hear it, and you can explain it to people. Social Security: Retired workers receive a public pension to help them through old age. Medicare: People over 65 can receive taxpayer-funded health care. Welfare: If you have no money and cannot support yourself, we will help as you get back on your feet.

These things are clear. I understand them. You understand them. The president's health-care plan is not clear, and I mean that not only in the sense of "he hasn't told us his plan." I mean it in terms of the voodoo phrases, this gobbledygook, this secret language of government that no one understands—"single payer," "public option," "insurance marketplace exchange." No one understands what this stuff means, nobody normal.

And when normal people don't know what the words mean, they don't say to themselves, "I may not understand, but my trusty government surely does, and will treat me and mine with respect." They think, "I can't get what these people are talking about. They must be trying to get one past me. So I'll vote no." "

jujubee2 · #5 (**permalink**) 08-23-2009, 08:19 PM

No one understands "single payer," "public option," "insurance marketplace exchange"? Gee, I do and plenty of people I know do too. I think we're pretty normal.

When normal people don't understand what words mean, they look them up. They don't say to themselves, 'oh well, I'm an ignorant fool and I'm staying that way." Unless you're Peggy Noonan, I guess.

wowitsdark · #6 (**permalink**) 08-23-2009, 10:00 PM

Do I sense some frustration at the dropping approval rating of Mr. O?

When politicians use phrases that could mean one thing... or another... well, that's when you have to assume that whatever they mean, they just can't come right out and SAY without having it rejected.

We all quickly learn that when a 'friend' tells you they have started their own 'business' and they wonder if you want to own your own business, too, well... yeah. Don't we all know what a business is? Sure. But the question they AREN'T asking, because they know you'd run for the hills is, "How'd ya like to get rich by joining my Amway downline???"

kvmj · #7 (**permalink**) 08-24-2009, 10:47 AM

No, we are not financing offshore drilling in Brazil. This agency does nothing but extend credit to foreign entities. These entities use the credit(s) to buy American goods and services.

In this particular case, the loan will be used to buy ships and drilling equipment all of which is manufactured in the USA. It means jobs right here in the USA.

I appreciate the fact that Mrs. Palin doesn't understand half of what she reads. In this case, the op-ed was deliberately misleading though.

Let's start taking these ludicrous of death panels and outsourcing with a grain of salt,.

jujubee2 · #8 (**permalink**) 08-24-2009, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by wowitsdark

Do I sense some frustration at the dropping approval rating of Mr. O?

When politicians use phrases that could mean one thing... or another... well, that's when you have to assume that whatever they mean, they just can't come right out and SAY without having it rejected.

We all quickly learn that when a 'friend' tells you they have started their own 'business' and they wonder if you want to own your own business, too, well... yeah. Don't we all know what a business is? Sure. But the question they AREN'T asking, because they know you'd run for the hills is, "How'd ya like to get rich by joining my Amway downline???"

I'll let Barney Frank provide my response:
YouTube - Barney Frank Confronts Woman At Townhall Comparing Obama To Hitler

wowitsdark · #9 (**permalink**) 08-24-2009, 11:11 AM

So there is no moral dilemma to be found in that he is supposedly AGAINST offshore drilling for environmental reasons, yet willing to provide a means for other nations to accomplish it? Is it a matter of principle or not?

Barney Frank... now there's a guy I would NOT let speak on my behalf, ever. Freakazoidal is the only word that comes to mind to describe that one.

kvmj · #10 (**permalink**) 08-24-2009, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by wowitsdark

So there is no moral dilemma to be found in that he is supposedly AGAINST offshore drilling for environmental reasons, yet willing to provide a means for other nations to accomplish it? Is it a matter of principle or not?

Barney Frank... now there's a guy I would NOT let speak on my behalf, ever. Freakazoidal is the only word that comes to mind to describe that one.

We have very little in the way of oil reserves in this country. Obama is against drilling in this country because he's determined to get the country off its dependence on oil.

That's the principle involved. Oil is the past.

cmmcmm · #11 (**permalink**) 08-24-2009, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by mom2twins2

This administration has no idea what they're doing. Sometimes I think they just get up in the morning and throw a dart at a board of 'things to do'!! (Or things they can mess up today).

And this cash for clunkers thing -- the car dealerships will be lucky if they get any of their money from the government. What a mess....!!

I heard this morning there's a new czar --- a cigarette czar!!!

AMEN! This administration is single handedly running our country into the ground in the shortest amount of time ever! Never wanted this man in and can't wait to get him and his cronies out! There are more Czars in this admin. than any other. They also do not answer to anyone! They need to get nothing approved by congress. . Cash for clunkers-what a joke and who is gonna pay for that! We are!

cmmcmm

wowitsdark · #12 (**permalink**) 08-24-2009, 12:48 PM

Yep, we are - biggest deficit E.V.E.R.

kvmj · #13 (**permalink**) 08-24-2009, 01:13 PM

We do have the biggest deficit ever. And, government spending is exactly what we need. W left this country with the biggest mess ever.

cmmcmm · #14 (**permalink**) 08-24-2009, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by kvmj

We do have the biggest deficit ever. And, government spending is exactly what we need. W left this country with the biggest mess ever.

What did "W" do to put this country in such a bad state, how is doubling the national debt (in 6 months) exactly the spending that this country needs?

kvmj · #15 (**permalink**) 08-24-2009, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by cmmcmm

What did "W" do to put this country in such a bad state, how is doubling the national debt (in 6 months) exactly the spending that this country needs?

W started 2 wars and spent copious amounts of money lining the pockets of his best political contributors. He authorized torture which violated several treaties on the topic. He insulted our allies. Both wars were put on a charge card so that GOP contractors could do things like charge us for driving empty trucks around Iraq and calling it "sailboat" fuel. Moreover, these wars will cost us for decades as we continue to pay disability benefits to wounded vets for the rest of their lives. That's nothing compared to the lives he took.

While spending all this money, W granted the super rich not one but two tax cuts. He enabled the top 10% of all taxpayers to take two thirds of all the wealth this country produced. All the while, he watched as manufacturers closed plants and shipped the jobs to China.

Katrina. Need I say more?

He further deregulated banks and investment firms. He encouraged lending institutions to make sorry loans with no hope of repayment. Growth in mortgages, credit card debt, houses that no one will ever live in, and, of course, the ever popular manufacture of war machines constituted the bulk of the economy under W's reign.

He also passed Medicare Part D which is nothing more than a big, fat giveaway to the drug companies.

Obama has not come close to doubling the deficit. He inherited a deficit of more than 1 trillion dollars.

The stimulus plan that Obama authorized encourages the formation of new industry. It has kept schools open, prisoners incarcerated, police and firefighters on the job and has allowed states to keep its citizens from starving. We avoided another depression.

Those manufacturing jobs are not coming back. He's been criticized for not spending enough.

In summation, W started 2 wars. The first was probably important, but, he did not think so. The 2nd. was absolutely unwarranted. (Iraq is expected to cost 6 trillion by the time it's over with) These wars are enormously expensive. All Contracts awarded by the Bush government were awarded on a cost plua 2% basis.

wowitsdark · #16 (**permalink**) 08-24-2009, 02:20 PM

Holy cow.

The connections between the Obama campaign and MSNBC, who gave him fabulous press and has commentators like Chris Matthews, Keith Olberman, etc. has a direct connection to General Electric. Care to guess how much GE has profited from the Obama presidency? Plenty, that's how much.

If memory serves, Bush was blamed for not being prepared for 9/11. We are fast approaching that date. Given that Bush haters thought nine-ish months should have been a sufficient amount of time for him to establish his presence and take the blame for anything that happened during his tenure, I do believe we are fast approaching the date upon which Obama will be expected to stop blaming Bush for all his failures.

Seriously - how long can this man whine that it's not his fault???

marilynk · #17 (**permalink**) 08-24-2009, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by wowitsdark

Seriously - how long can this man whine that it's not his fault???

approximately 4 years....

wowitsdark · #18 (**permalink**) 08-24-2009, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by marilynk

approximately 4 years....

LOL!

I really do understand that nothing happens overnight and that government and our economy are big ships to turn.

But Obama was elected not on a mandate for health care reform or enormous spending, but rather because people were unhappy with Bush.

Was health care a key plank in his platform? Not just A plank, but THE plank? What he wants to do will set us up for an eternity of high, high, high taxes and the eventual bankruptcy and implosion of quality health care as we know it. If this was THE big change he had in mind, I sorta wish he'd been upfront about it ahead of time.

What I remember is just a lot of talk about Ameri Corps (sp?) and getting out of Iraq.

cmmcmm · #19 (**permalink**) 08-24-2009, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by kvmj

W started 2 wars and spent copious amounts of money lining the pockets of his best political contributors. (What are the names of the political Contributors. What proof can you show me of this?) He authorized torture which violated several treaties on the topic. (Water boarding is NOT torture) He insulted our allies. (Obama insults the American People with this apologizing tours) Both wars were put on a charge card so that GOP contractors could do things like charge us for driving empty trucks around Iraq and calling it "sailboat" fuel. (Sources please) Moreover, these wars will cost us for decades as we continue to pay disability benefits to wounded vets for the rest of their lives. (Obama has put this country into generational debt within the first 6 months of him coming into office, by doubling the national debt with this stimulus BS. ) That's nothing compared to the lives he took. (W took no ones life, last time i checked our military was completely volunteer, instead you should be thanking them for their willingness to put themselves in harms way instead of saying 'Bush Killed Them")

While spending all this money, W granted the super rich not one but two tax cuts. (Last time I checked, the more money the "Rich" have, the more jobs those "Rich" are able to provide) He enabled the top 10% of all taxpayers to take two thirds of all the wealth this country produced. (Sources and examples please) All the while, he watched as manufacturers closed plants and shipped the jobs to China. (If taxes were lowered and spending cut, this wouldn't even be an issue)

Katrina. Need I say more? (Yes elaborate)

He further deregulated banks and investment firms. He encouraged lending institutions to make sorry loans with no hope of repayment. Growth in mortgages, credit card debt, houses that no one will ever live in, and, of course, the ever popular manufacture of war machines constituted the bulk of the economy under W's reign. (Look at the previous administration before Bush, tell me who created the legislation that forced the banks to do all of this)

He also passed Medicare Part D which is nothing more than a big, fat giveaway to the drug companies.

Obama has not come close to doubling the deficit. He inherited a deficit of more than 1 trillion dollars. (Yes he has doubled, and will be trippled if he and his administration of Czars are left unchecked,)

The stimulus plan that Obama authorized encourages the formation of new industry. It has kept schools open, prisoners incarcerated, police and firefighters on the job and has allowed states to keep its citizens from starving. We avoided another depression. (Yet dispute all of this, we are at a record high unemployment rates....in every country a stimulus plan has ever been attempted, it has NEVER worked. You don't spend money when you are hurting for money.)

Those manufacturing jobs are not coming back. He's been criticized for not spending enough. (Again you don't spend money when you are hurting for it)

In summation, W started 2 wars. The first was probably important, but, he did not think so. The 2nd. was absolutely unwarranted. (Iraq is expected to cost 6 trillion by the time it's over with) (Where are these projections coming from, however i do agree that we should have less involvement in certain affairs outside our boarders) These wars are enormously expensive. All Contracts awarded by the Bush government were awarded on a cost plua 2% basis.

My comments in red

truble2301 · #20 (**permalink**) 08-24-2009, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by cmmcmm

My comments in red

Waterboarding is not torture, huh?

Do you miss your credibility or did you never have any at all?

wowitsdark · #21 (**permalink**) 08-24-2009, 06:50 PM

Waterboarding is a tool.

And an effective one at that.

jujubee2 · #22 (**permalink**) 08-24-2009, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by wowitsdark

Waterboarding is a tool.

And an effective one at that.

Wow. It really is dark where you dwell.

How sad.

mom2twins2 · #23 (**permalink**) 08-24-2009, 07:12 PM

Considering what terrorists do to our military, waterboarding is a cakewalk.... Boo-hoo....

Hurricane Katrina was Bush's fault, you say?? Wow, so now Bush was God?? Had those people LISTENED to authorities and got the heck out, instead of deciding to stay, it would have been much better.

Now I heard today that people who receive social security checks will not be given a cost of living raise for the next two years. And who do you think will get the blame for that? You certainly can't blame President Bush for that!!

BTW, the Democrats were in power the last two years of President Bush's presidency.

Oh, and Barney Frank and Pelosi are JOKES!

jujubee2 · #24 (**permalink**) 08-24-2009, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by mom2twins2

Considering what terrorists do to our military, waterboarding is a cakewalk.... Boo-hoo....

"Logic" like this shows that the terrorists have won.

mom2twins2 · #25 (**permalink**) 08-24-2009, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by jujubee2

"Logic" like this shows that the terrorists have won.

Oh, how so????

The terrorists are laughing at the United States right now because we have a spineless 'leader'. ( I put that in quotes because Obama is far far from being a leader).

cmmcmm · #26 (**permalink**) 08-24-2009, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by truble2301

Waterboarding is not torture, huh?

Do you miss your credibility or did you never have any at all?

No its not, its a tool. You retain no long lasting damage do you even know what water boarding is, or did CNN tell you what it is? I guarantee you our soldiers PRAY for something like water boarding when the enemy captures them. Instead they receive electricity, death by a thousand cuts, beheaddings, limbs and appendages ripped off.

wowitsdark · #27 (**permalink**) 08-24-2009, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by jujubee2

Wow. It really is dark where you dwell.

How sad.

Nah, there are Americans that are alive and well here with me, thanks much... thanks much to waterboarding.

truble2301 · #28 (**permalink**) 08-25-2009, 05:27 AM

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Originally Posted by cmmcmm

No its not, its a tool. .

The electric chair is a tool, as well, as are a gun, lethal injection, etc.

And some people.

You might think waterboarding is justified, but it's just ignorant to claim it's not torture.

cmmcmm · #29 (**permalink**) 08-25-2009, 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by truble2301

The electric chair is a tool, as well, as are a gun, lethal injection, etc.

And some people.

You might think waterboarding is justified, but it's just ignorant to claim it's not torture.

The electric chair is a tool, a gun is a tool as well as a constitutional right, and yes lethal injection is a tool as well. (however they don't pertain to torture so i have no idea what your point is.)
If water boarding is torture. Explain to me what happens while in the act? Because its not torture.

wowitsdark · #30 (**permalink**) 08-25-2009, 07:54 AM

I don't have any problem saying it's torture. Here's the definition, per dictionary.com:

tor⋅ture
/ˈtɔrtʃər/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [tawr-cher] Show IPA noun, verb, -tured, -tur⋅ing.
Use torture in a Sentence
–noun
1. the act of inflicting excruciating pain, as punishment or revenge, as a means of getting a confession or information, or for sheer cruelty.
2. a method of inflicting such pain.
3. Often, tortures. the pain or suffering caused or undergone.
4. extreme anguish of body or mind; agony.
5. a cause of severe pain or anguish.

Waterboarding is a tool of torture, and I do think torture has its place. We're talking about hardened prisoners who have life or death information that they are unwilling to share here. Is it pretty? No. Is it a helpful method to employ sometimes? Sure. If innocent lives depend on getting information out of the mind of an uncooperative, unrepentant criminal who has been unwilling to share that information through any other means, do I think we should refrain from scaring them with consequenceless but extremely terrifying waterboarding just so we can say we're nicer? Ummm... no.

jujubee2 · #31 (**permalink**) 08-25-2009, 10:35 AM

Too bad "wowitsdark" will never see the light.

For those who wonder about the effectiveness of torture, regardless of its immorality, here's an interesting article:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2005Jan11.html

jujubee2 · #32 (**permalink**) 08-25-2009, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by mom2twins2

Oh, how so????

1. Because we are violating our own constitution, with "Americans" like you endorsing it. Just what the terrorists want.

2. Because we are, in effect, agreeing with the terrorists that their methods are appropriate.

kvmj · #33 (**permalink**) 08-25-2009, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by cmmcmm

My comments in red

Others have addressed some of your inaccurate statements. I will address your mistaken statement that "Last time I checked, the more money the "Rich" have, the more jobs those "Rich" are able to provide" The rich merely took a bigger chunk of the pie.

When one person was required to cut their lawn, two will not now be employed just because the employer has acquired more wealth.

It's the middle class in this country that has been badly damaged. There's not much point in sending your kid to college if they're going to graduate with $20K in debt. There's not much point in sending your kid to college if the only jobs out there are manager trainee at McDonalds.

The rich sent your kid's job to China.

cmmcmm · #34 (**permalink**) 08-27-2009, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by kvmj

Others have addressed some of your inaccurate statements. I will address your mistaken statement that "Last time I checked, the more money the "Rich" have, the more jobs those "Rich" are able to provide" The rich merely took a bigger chunk of the pie.

When one person was required to cut their lawn, two will not now be employed just because the employer has acquired more wealth.

It's the middle class in this country that has been badly damaged. There's not much point in sending your kid to college if they're going to graduate with $20K in debt. There's not much point in sending your kid to college if the only jobs out there are manager trainee at McDonalds.

The rich sent your kid's job to China.

When was the last time you saw a "Poor" person providing a job? Never. They take a bigger chunk of the pie you say? They pay the most in taxes out of everyone, thus the price of working hard in this country. Jobs are going oversees because of the exorbitant taxes that employers are required to pay. Not because the rich are greedy and want to keep all of their money.
Less taxes = More American Jobs. Its that simple.

Edit: I graduated with 20k debt....after, you do something called work to pay it off. .....something this country doesn't like to do anymore because we are a lazy country that expects everything to be handed out to us.

jujubee2 · #35 (**permalink**) 08-27-2009, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by cmmcmm

Not because the rich are greedy and want to keep all of their money.

Oh, you mean like these guys

:

Alan Fishman: Washington Mutual - 17 days on the job, $19 million dollar golden parachute

Kerry Killinger: removed from Washington Mutual when it fails. Golden parachute $44 million

Daniel Mudd: dismissed from Fannie Mae. Golden parachute: $8 million

Richard Syron: terminated from now insolvent Freddie Mac. Golden parachute $16 million

G. Kennedy Thompson: Shoved out of Wachovia. Golden parachute: $8.7 million.

James Cayne: part of Bear Stearns collapse. Golden parachute: $13 million

Charles Princes: Retires from Citigroup after 4 years and poor 3rd quarter performance. Golden parachute: $100 million

Stan O'Neil: Left Merrill Lynch with $165 million. Company posted an $8 billion loss.

cmmcmm · #36 (**permalink**) 08-27-2009, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by jujubee2

Oh, you mean like these guys

:

Alan Fishman: Washington Mutual - 17 days on the job, $19 million dollar golden parachute

Kerry Killinger: removed from Washington Mutual when it fails. Golden parachute $44 million

Daniel Mudd: dismissed from Fannie Mae. Golden parachute: $8 million

Richard Syron: terminated from now insolvent Freddie Mac. Golden parachute $16 million

G. Kennedy Thompson: Shoved out of Wachovia. Golden parachute: $8.7 million.

James Cayne: part of Bear Stearns collapse. Golden parachute: $13 million

Charles Princes: Retires from Citigroup after 4 years and poor 3rd quarter performance. Golden parachute: $100 million

Stan O'Neil: Left Merrill Lynch with $165 million. Company posted an $8 billion loss.

No one is perfect, I'm not saying that greed NEVER happens, but if you actually meet people like this in the business world. (I have) Most have their company first and not themselves. - However, the reason why jobs ARE going overseas is because of exorbitant taxes, and cheaper production overseas.

jujubee2 · #37 (**permalink**) 08-27-2009, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by cmmcmm

cheaper production overseas.

Not only does it sometimes happens. It often happens. The names I listed were just the tip of the iceberg! Wake up!

I'll agree with you on about overseas production being cheaper, but the reason is that businesses can get away with paying sweatshop wages in places like China and India. I've been in the business world for over 25 years. I'm very familiar with the mindset of CEOs. Money makes their world go around, gained immorally or not - as the sweatshops demonstrate. How many CEOs do you know who do not get compensated with many times the amount that any of their employees make? You know, the employees who keep their business running?

kokoisland · #38 (**permalink**) 08-27-2009, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by cmmcmm

Jobs are going oversees because of the exorbitant taxes that employers are required to pay. Not because the rich are greedy and want to keep all of their money.
Less taxes = More American Jobs. Its that simple.

Really? Like in 1952 when the top tax rate was 92% and unemployment rate was 3%? Or 1962 when the top tax rate was 91% and unemployment 5.5%? Or maybe 1973 top tax 70% and unemployment 4.9%?

kokoisland · #39 (**permalink**) 08-27-2009, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by wowitsdark

Nah, there are Americans that are alive and well here with me, thanks much... thanks much to waterboarding.

You seem pretty darn sure about that. Can you give an example?

jujubee2 · #40 (**permalink**) 08-27-2009, 01:11 PM

Hmm. This post has gone from drilling for oil in Brazil, to healthcare reform, to waterboarding, to taxes. What does that tell you? The conservatives just can't get a foothold - on this board or across the country. Maybe if they came up with some actual ideas for solving problems, people would pay more attention.

wowitsdark · #41 (**permalink**) 08-27-2009, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by jujubee2

How many CEOs do you know who do not get compensated with many times the amount that any of their employees make?

I know plenty. I guess I just run with nicer, kinder, gentler people than you do.

Sorry 'bout that. I'm sure it's not pleasant for you.

wowitsdark · #42 (**permalink**) 08-27-2009, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by jujubee2

Hmm. This post has gone from drilling for oil in Brazil, to healthcare reform, to waterboarding, to taxes. What does that tell you? The conservatives just can't get a foothold - on this board or across the country. Maybe if they came up with some actual ideas for solving problems, people would pay more attention.

Baaaaahaha.

Thanks for the chuckle.

It's been entertaining to see the Dems fuss amongst themselves since January. I know there were visions of sugarplums dancing in their heads when they were all put in power at once, but given their inability to move on policy that Obama has decided is central to his administration, me thinks their tenure in power will be very, very, very short lived.

jujubee2 · #43 (**permalink**) 08-27-2009, 03:16 PM

Chuckles, but no suggested solutions to problems. Typical.

wowitsdark · #44 (**permalink**) 08-27-2009, 03:59 PM

Which problem?

The drilling issue? Don't loan Brazil money we don't have. Drill here, drill now.

Terrorists who won't share information we need under any circumstances? Try waterboarding them.

Taxes? Don't raise 'em.

Healthcare reform? Let people shop around across state lines for starters.

How's that?

Just because the left chooses issues to wave flags about doesn't mean the right also considers them the highest priorities on their task lists.

ILUVLUCY420 · #45 (**permalink**) 08-27-2009, 04:07 PM

Honestly as very left winged liberal democrat I will say this I know I promised not to talk politics and I have not for the simple reason I know my feelings and thoughts and its not worth bringing them to argue because honestly its not worth the upset it has caused me , so this will be only one post only one. To start with while I am happy Obama is our president I am not 100 percent happy with all he has done so far with his administration. The main thing for me is the war which I want to end and know it shoud have never started and I want our troops home. Do I realize President Obama is not perfect no he is not, but I do know that ex president Bush left him a mess and yes now it is Obama's mess, I just sincerely wish one republican here would admit that and while it has been 8 months we did give Bush 8 years again I am not fully happy with Obama but just like Bush got 8 years I will give Obama some more time. Thats it . Peace . Catherine

jujubee2 · #46 (**permalink**) 08-27-2009, 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wowitsdark

Which problem?

The drilling issue? Don't loan Brazil money we don't have. Drill here, drill now.

Terrorists who won't share information we need under any circumstances? Try waterboarding them.

Taxes? Don't raise 'em.

Healthcare reform? Let people shop around across state lines for starters.

How's that?

Just because the left chooses issues to wave flags about doesn't mean the right also considers them the highest priorities on their task lists.

Simple minded solutions from simple minded people. Typical.

wowitsdark · #47 (**permalink**) 08-27-2009, 06:21 PM

mom2twins2 · #48 (**permalink**) 08-27-2009, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by wowitsdark

Exactly! There's no reasoning with a liberal..... they have nothing to say -- just rude remarks.. So might as well just smile and nod!!

Four years of Obama and I'm afraid no one will be smiling......

kokoisland · #49 (**permalink**) 08-27-2009, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by mom2twins2

Exactly! There's no reasoning with a liberal..... they have nothing to say -- just rude remarks.. So might as well just smile and nod!!

Four years of Obama and I'm afraid no one will be smiling......

Oh the irony

mom2twins2 · #50 (**permalink**) 08-27-2009, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by kokoisland

Oh the irony

Yeah, exactly my point!!

truble2301 · #51 (**permalink**) 08-28-2009, 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by kokoisland

Oh the irony

I'm not sure "irony" is in the right wing dictionary. That's the party where Cheney had more important things to do in the 60's than fight for his country, remember??

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