Again I was not going to mention his name nor start a thread but since someone did and after some thinking his story truly affects me on so many levels. First off since I do not eat any meat nor seafood and because I am a huge animal activist and love love animals. This story has truly affected me so much emotionally and physically and all around so deep inside my soul. I cannot ever ever imagine any one person bringing any harm of any form to any animal. Personally for me while he did serve a 2 year sentence behind bars in jail, it was not enough for me. Sorry but for a person of his statue who had so much talent for the game of football and to earn the money he was making. To go further to make more money at the sake of innocent dogs to take part in dog fighting for the fun to make money is sick sick sick. Again I do not find him remorseful on any levels. I was in Florida on vacation when they conducted his interview on television and I watched the whole story. For me personally he first should be out there and be more involved in being a strong voice and power behind the ending to these horrible crimes. It makes me sick to my stomach to even imagine how anyone could bring harm in any way to a animal especially dogs. All they want is your love and they ask for nothing else perhaps some food a little water a warm spot to sleep. They crave your love and even after so many times of being neglected they still earn for your love. So feel free to speak and in the meantime if you do have any pets give them some extra love and hugs tonite the more the better. For we are a better world for the love we receive from our animals.. Peace to all the abused and animals that suffer each and every day , may God watch over them..... they truly are angels and so loving. Catherine

I think two things:

1) That he should be eligible to play for the NFL because he has served his time, and we do not typically punish people by revoking their right to continue in their profession due to a past, paid-for crime that was unrelated to their profession, and

2) That every single NFL team should band together and say, "Sorry, not gonna hire you, dude. Try baseball or something 'cause you are no longer welcome with any of us."

Maybe that kind of punishment should start. Stupid shenanigans in ALL professional sports are so far out of hand. What IS going to stop these idiots? Instead of making them have any fear at all of being law-breaking a-holes, we tap-slap their hands and say "Go! Go back to your cushy, multi-million dollar life! Enjoy!" Granted, Vick got more of a sentence than most have for other things, but it wasn't near enough. Just because it was what the "law" allows, doesn't mean the "law" is just.

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ahhh...but then that would be discrimination! (however, I agree with you).

It's all a game--the team that took him knew they'd be in the headlines for a while (regardless of how their team played). I'd be p*ssed if I was on his team--he will get the attention, not the players who actually excel and are decent human beings.

The Vick family has a history of run-ins w/ the "law" and still don't seem to respect it. I give him a year before he screws up again.

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I didn't follow it to know what conviction he has, however.....many true professions ( I don't consider playing sports a profession) can and will bar a person with a specific conviction history whether related or not to their work. Many states specifically have statutes addressing this for professional licensure.

Your number 2 is great except there is money in the equation and that is why he's back in the game.

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He should be forced to live with the Duggar family and change his name to Jerkface.

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I cannot stand animal abuse of any type and while I loathe what he did. He did serve his time. If the NFL teams want to hire him then that is up to them. They hire people with drug problems, gang connections, etc. both in the NBA, NFL and other sports leagues, so why not convicted felons? Once someone has broken the law and done something like that or any other drug offense, I don't look at them the same way, even if they have served their time. I hate to think of them out there as role models for kids.

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He served his time so I have no problem with him going back to his life. If that's the NFL so be it. I think he deserves a second chance.

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based on my understanding of Vick's "career" this incident was not the first time he had trouble with the law....
How many "second" chances does someone get???

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Sure, the Eagles can hire him back. It's their choice. By the same token, my friends and I have decided to boycott all the Eagles sponsors. That's our choice.

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ahhh...but then that would be discrimination! (however, I agree with you).


Yes, it would be descrimination, but it would be LEGAL discrimination......no where in the law does it say that any team would be 'forced' to hire him. They can choose to or not, and not give a reason and it would be perfectly legal (as long as it was not due to race, religion, origin, etc which are protected classes). Teams just cut rosters this week and they do not have to justify why anyone didn't make the cut.

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He really hasn't had any trouble with the law before this incident... there was the bottle at the airport but that wasn't anything.. I don't know of anything else. A girl filed a lawsuit against him but girls file lawsuits against men all the time (especially when they have money). Maybe you're thinking about his brother, Marcus. Marcus has really made a mess of his life.

As for Michael, I think he has served his time and paid his debt to society, he should be allowed to play football.

you could be right....my memory ain't what it use to be.

I *think* that it was Marcus Vick who intentionally stepped on a players leg (in college ball) causing a rather significant injury.

I didn't like Michael Vick prior to the dog-fighting stuff, thus it would stand to reason that I don't find him appealing now. Maybe prison did change him. I hope for everyone's sake that is the case. But, you'll excuse me if I don't hold my breath on that!

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I googled Micheal Vick and under the wikapedia profile he read that in 2001 he was already involved in Dog fighting as it was reported by his father , while his mother denied any dog fighting at all. It also said that in 2001 when he signed the huge 38 million dollar contract he used some of the money to help support the dog fighting business. So to me he was making soooo much money more then most of us will ever see it was not enough, he had to use some of that money to run a illegial business and where he caused so many innocent lifes of those poor abused dogs. So in my book he deserves no second chance , those innocent dogs did not get a second chance. Like I said before with all that money he was earning he could have sadly used it to prevent those horrific acts of volience towards those animals. Yes a second chance at life of course, but not given the opportunity to ever play the sport he loved dearly... Karma will come his way, those animals did not die in vain. So if anyone has a chance please google his name and read it for yourself. Done on this subject too sad to even think about it anymore . No peace here. Catherine

I'm not an unforgiving person by any means. But he had MANY chances to stop this deplorable behavior. MANY. A "second chance" doesn't happen just because one gets caught! He knew what he was doing was morally, ethically and legally wrong - but chose to continue for YEARS. Sorry - there's a BOATLOAD of chances in all those years.

On a side note, if a person gets chance after chance after chance - what's the point of ever stopping anything? Hey, folks will forgive you, right? So no worries, do whatever you want. Jazame, I know you might not have meant to that extreme, but I have heard some folks say - and in this regard to Michael Vick - that people always deserve a second chance. Unfortunately, what these people aren't looking at is there is only ONE "second chance". After that, it's fourth, fifth, sixth, etc. WHEN is it okay to say enough already?

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Like I said a second chance. No where did I say he can do it again and again. He was caught, did his jail time and now has a second chance at turning his life around. You can say he had all these chances to stop but honestly, there are alot of people who do wrong things that don't learn their lesson until they're caught and punished. So like I said I will give him a chance to turn his life around before I go on and on about what a piece of trash he is. JMTCW!!

Jen

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I think Michael Vick is only "remorseful" because he got caught and he knows he "has" to "appear" remorseful for his public personna.

I think Michael Vick is a monster

I think Michael Vick should still be in prison

He would have to be coming to my team! When he got out of jail, I joked to DH and my Mom (who are both huge Eagles fans) that Vick was signed by the Eagles. It turned out to be no joke...or I had a premonition I guess. Most people in Philly aren't happy about it...then again I've read where they can't keep #7 Vick jerseys in stock. Philly fans may hate him now, but if the Eagles start winning and he's playing great, they'll go the other way and love him. That's just the way they've always been. I just sent my Mom an email with a Vick jersey in it...I told her that we're getting her one for a Christmas present. She said "nooooooooo!". I'm probably one of the biggest dog lovers in the world, but I also believe that he's paid his dues. He grew up in the south where dog fighting was prevalent. That's no excuse for what he did, I'm just saying that I think that's where his mentality was. I have a feeling that he's going to play great, but, who knows? ~Lisa

Hehe...had I known you had this ability, I would have had you "premonition" me the 325 million dollar lottery!

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This was way beyond his second chance. If this was the first thing Vick ever did, I might agree -- but it's NOT. He has a history. This time someone just decided not to let him get away with it.

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I could care less if Vick has a second chance or no chance at all.

What strikes me as wrong about this most is that when numerous other sports figures have had DUI (with a fatality), firearm charges, drug charges, manslaughter and murder charges there was no outcry from the public. No one boycotted or talked this much about it then. THAT is wrong and sad.

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Vick is an immoral idiot. He served no time compared to the torture he inflicted upon innocent living creatures...........dogs...........pet/pals. The NFL should have banned him and his ability to earn millions. He served his time???????????? NOT ENOUGH............He deserves the same LOVE he gave to his animals right down to the hanging and electrocution. He is dispicable, and deplorable. Not someone I want any child to look up to. Poor guy says he's broke ....boo hooo. Since he is hired and earning, he should have to pay ALL of his room and board for his incarceration as well as wages to the guards, true rehabilitation for all animals AND compensation for all of the deaths he caused by way of donations for each animal harmed or killed to the many animal rights groups. Then he could cry about being broke. To sum it up, he is not human!!!!!!!!!! He is a monster!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wow... We have people sitting in jail (or out now) that have done far worse than what Vick did. Where's your anger over child rapists, child murderers, men and women who abuse children or elderly? Men who keep CHILDREN as servants and sex slaves.... where's your anger over that.

Let's get our priorities in order.

oh mom2twins2 believe me I have no time for criminals who abuse any child, or any rapist or any murderers, my hatred towards them would be far worst and I am not forgetting them at all and never will because they are cowards anyone who can abuse a child or rape a women or abuse a animal and of course commit murder, they are all monsters. However this thread is about Micheal Vick but be reassured if a thread comes about concerning the above topics I will be the first to answer. They are all sick and sadly child abuse and rape well again death for them would be way too easy...Peace and prayers go out to any child who is abused and to any women who is raped or any animals that are abused because in the end they all feel pain and suffering... Catherine

There's plenty of anger to go around over those issues, I've seen it many times. But this thread wasn't about any of those things, just one person.

I have MAJOR anger for anyone who abuses animals, children or the elderly. Anyone/any being that's less able to defend themselves or one defenseless. Every time I hear about abuse of anyone like that, I want to hug my pups, or my little niece, or my Gramma.

I've said it before and I'll say it again...two grown men or women can go at each other all they want. I couldn't give a rip. But to take out on someone weaker or more helpless than you? You become a worthless jackass in my book. (General you.)

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He did serve his time. It is the right of any team to hire him. But it's my right to not watch the games and not buy from any sponsor that advertisers during those games. I will exercise my rights.

Put me down as another one who feels that MV has not learned a lesson. It may not be animal abuse the next time but I feel certain he and the law will become closely acquainted again.

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Gee, that's not fair at all

EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US has "anger over child rapists, child murderers, men and women who abuse children or elderly. Men who keep CHILDREN as servants and sex slaves". Why in the world would you imply that we don't????

This thread happens to be about Michael Vick so why would we bring up all those other awful crimes?

If you're suggesting that any of us care more about animals than humans, that's REALLY insulting

Actually, when I sent my Mom (who is a die-hard Eagles fan) a picture of the Vick jersey, telling her that I'd get it as her Christmas present...this is what she said...

Thanks....BUT No Thanks...will go naked first! LOL

~Lisa

Originally Posted by mars364
Vick is an immoral idiot. He served no time compared to the torture he inflicted upon innocent living creatures...........dogs...........pet/pals. The NFL should have banned him and his ability to earn millions. He served his time???????????? NOT ENOUGH............He deserves the same LOVE he gave to his animals right down to the hanging and electrocution. He is dispicable, and deplorable. Not someone I want any child to look up to. Poor guy says he's broke ....boo hooo. Since he is hired and earning, he should have to pay ALL of his room and board for his incarceration as well as wages to the guards, true rehabilitation for all animals AND compensation for all of the deaths he caused by way of donations for each animal harmed or killed to the many animal rights groups. Then he could cry about being broke. To sum it up, he is not human!!!!!!!!!! He is a monster!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"


I wasn't speaking to you .... I was speaking to the poster who wrote the above post. Saying he should have to pay all of his room and board while in prison, the guards wages, rehab for all animals...etc., saying he's not human and a monster. Come on.... like I said, let's pick our priorities. There's plenty out there worse than Michael Vick. Someone even brought up the fact about others charged with other crimes and not getting the punishment Vick got.

I am the poster, and certainly I have my priorities in order. ANY IDIOT who is an ABUSER of ANY of the FRAGILE of our society........this includes animals, deserves an eye for an eye punishment in my humble opinion. But, this thread was about vick and that is what I adressed. By the way, I am a registered nurse working in a large city hospital...........surprised? Don't be. I have seen abuse and injustice first hand more times than I care to think, and it infuriates me that the abusers of people (of any age) OR animals get off so easily.