I know I said I have tried to stay away and done really good so again this will be the only post its for all the republicans out there who seem to still think that ex President Bush is soooo wonderful and so perfect. First let me say as far as Acorn goes should I believe in any organization there is always going to be a few bad seeds but to honestly call the whole organization corrupt I do not believe that for one moment. Also I took the time to google George Bush and I googled this George Bush corruption and it brings you to his page the second thread is called George Bush "The Dark Side" talk about Corruption I read through the whole thing there is alot to read if you care to read . I would sincerely appreciate if a few supporters here of ex president Bush would read it and let me know. Again Obama is not perfect and the more I think about it because the war issue is so big for me I have been thinking. While again Bush had no business to enter into that country what so ever no means of mass means of destruction were ever found. I have said this before I am upset that Potus has not removed troops but rather is sending more over and perhaps its goes back to the late president JFK who also was againist the was Vietnam and then was killed, I believe that President Obama has been told by his advisors to keep the war going. For these reasons, he is or course the first Black American to be elected and because the Republicans want the war, I believe there is a fear for his life to be killed, perhaps I am wrong so I do welcome your comments. Peace. Catherine

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I admit I have missed out on a lot of the political discussion, I know they are stil farther down in the Cafe threads, I just haven't bothered to dig thru and read everthing. That said, I can't remember anyone saying that Bush was "so wonderful". I wish you would clarify that last statement a little for me, are you saying that the reason Obama is not ending the war is a fear of himself being killed? I hope I am just missreading what you are trying to say, as that would be a p**** poor reason to be sending out troops into this mess.

I am not trying to be rude, I am just not quite getting your full meaning.

I think most people who get into a position of power will use that position to reward his friends. Some do it legally, most don't.

I don't think Bush was perfect by any means. I did vote for him, but I never agreed with everything he did. And in all honesty, I don't think I will ever agree with everything any President does or says.

Here's my scenario about ACORN. This may be way simple or stupid thinking but here goes:

If I went to the same store in 5 states and bought the same item at each one, and the clerk tried to overcharge me or scan an expensive item twice, consistently, at each one of the different stores, I'd be a little pissed. Then in my mind I would think, "dang, I'm not shopping there anymore because they try to get one over on me every time........" I think that's where everyone is coming from on ACORN. Maybe not every cashier would have charged me twice for that expensive item, but since it did happen to me (hypothetically) at each store, I would not be giving them my business anymore, I would have a bad taste in my mouth for that store based on my personal experience with them. I hope that example didn't sound stupid and at least was understandable from where I'm coming from.

That's an excellent example! Let's say your store was Walmart and even though you had some good experiences with Walmart those 5 other ones would make you wonder about the whole corporation.

So Catherine I don't think anyone thinks anyone is perfect. Especially in politics, unfortuantely, you will always find some corruption. I still like President Bush. I still respect him for standing firm in his beliefs and doing what he thought was best. I don't feel he strayed from what he believed in.

Um, who said Bush was soooo wonderful? And what does one president have to do with the other? Obama's carp can stand on its own merits without needing the comparison factor added in.

Organizations like ACORN do nothing for me. Yes, there have been racial injustices through the years, and yes, America needed sent down a different path, and initially, organizations such as ACORN may have been helpful to this cause when they began. But what I see NOW is an organization that is so agenda-driven that it can't see straight.

I absolutely believe it is a corrupt organization. From the top down, I think that they believe the ends justify the means, and therefore don't police their workers very closely.

Check out this video of Bertha, who is now ACORN's head lady. She was working for ACORN at the time she made this video last year. I do NOT believe it is proper for ACORN to take taxpayer money and then go out and advocate for a particular candidate. I believe they are FORBIDDEN from supporting candidates, but for whatever reason, nobody seemed to care that ACORN had employees out there doing this during the election cycle.

YouTube - Acorn's Bertha Lewis Says Thanks and Vote Working Families Party

Lucy, it is so very clear what you think about Obama vs. Replublicans vs. etc, etc, etc.

There was plenty of Bush bashing, plenty of Clinton bashing, and so forth (actually backwards) however it's what is current that people dwell on, discuss, and live with focus.

Many times you have said you won't do it again and many times you have, this topic included. If you can't stop , then please stop saying that you willl. Minimally, have the integrity to do what you say. If you can't do it, then don't say it.

dl

Logic and clear thinking has never worked in this situation.....and try as you might, it will not work now either.

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OP, what are you talking about? Please explain. You said you googled Bush and corruption and came on a site yet you didn't post the site.

Try googling Obama and corruption and ACORN. He's been in office only 7 months. What an eye-opener!!! How long will you continue your love affair with this president?

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Simply because someone can google the words Obama and ACORN and find pages of connection doesn't mean there is one. If I understand google correctly any time someone puts two words in a document or a web page together, they will be brought up when I search for the two words. Maybe I am not doing google correctly. If I googled Big Foot and Truth I would get pages and pages of hits with both of those words and to glance at them, one would think that I was the only one who hadn't seen Big Foot.

When I do google Obama and ACORN, I get hit results and most of them if not all are coming from Michelle Malkin, the crazy one, or Glenn Beck, the crybaby, Bill O Reilly, Limbaugh, the youtube we all saw that said nothing but it was trotted out to say that Obama said the word ACORN. It goes again to prove that if you say somethng is true often enough people start to believe it is true. Conservatives want to tie the President to a corrupt organization and ACORN is the winner. I don't believe that the entire organization from the top down is corrupt and if it is, it doesn't make the President any more corrupt than the Red Cross is corrupt because there have been people working for it who have been corrupt.

Using the analogy of Wal Mart that someone upthread used is silly. Of course we have all gone into a wal mart and had a bad experience with a coupon cop or a rude employee in I will be each state, but does that really make someone think that all Wal Marts hire is rude, coupon cops and employees? Not for me. I choose to believe that those are the abberations and not the norm.

Now as far as the President not wanting to pull out of Iraq completely because he might be assignated, I don't think that is the reason why we are still there. We are slowly pulling out of Iraq and sending more troops into Afghanistan, or at least Marines into Afghanistan.

I had no respect for President Bush at the end. I voted for him the first time and I gave him quite a few chances before I was disrespectful to him. I had a reason other than he was a Republican, I heard all the silly people who said if I couldn't support the office of the President, then leave the country. So, now the shoe is on the other foot. It isn't such a comfortable feeling is it?

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Mom2twins2 first off I do not want to fight with you at all , but like I said I googled George Bush not George Bush with Acorn. I googled George Bush corruption just those words and when the page came up the second thread is what I opened up and its where it talks about all the corruption about George Bush. Also Mom2twins2 you ask when am I going to stop having this love affair with Obama I have no love affair with him, I am simply so sick and tired of the constant over and over bashing of him since day one when he came into office and all I have asked is that one like you admit something George Bush did wrong to perhaps not make Obama look like just a horrible president for the next 4 yours. Yes of course there has been bashing on both sides, but again Bush did for the 100 million time leave Obama a mess fact is a fact. Ending here because I am going againist my word but I do not like being told I have a love affair when I am not the only Obama supporter here, Mom2twins2 when will you stop with the Acorn Issue you want to bring a point across why can I not???.

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Again for whoever is interested go to google
enter George Bush Corruption
it will bring yoo to the page
go to the second one which reads
George W. Bush's Corruption and Lies if you hit that one you will see and read alot of information
Underneath is another site it is
mindprod.com/politics/bushbookscorruption.html hope this helps. Catherine

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If only you would keep your word

You couldn't even keep it in this ONE thread

Kellyjef I wanted to tell mom2twins2 the wesbite and post it she complained about me and my love for Obama yet in the post about Acorn she posted so many times how come no problem there, wait, before you answer she did not say she would stay away and only post once correct???/. Kindly do not make trouble thats the reason for not getting involved in these politcial threads for comments like yours.. Just decided to try it one more time because as a Democrat and a Liberal I am so tired on all the blame always on us.... Now I know for sure to keep my two cents to myself. Had to learn this lesson again for myself, but thats okay it only proves 2 things we all must agreed to disagreed when it comes to politics its either black or white and definitely no grey in between. Peace . Catherine

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I didn't say it was Wal Mart. And I will really bet if you had been scammed at 5 different stores you would have a bad view of that store. Just sayin'.

Then I guess I wasn't speaking about you. Someone upthread said something about Wal Mart and I can tell you that I have been in numerous states and have had some great service at some Wal Marts and some really crappy ones and yet it does not make ME have a bad view of Wal Marts in general. Just sayin'

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I just don't get the loyalty some people give to our presidents. I don't trust Obama anymore then I trusted Bush or Clinton. As far as I am concerned...politics and honesty should never be used in the same sentence. They make mistakes, lie and often lack true character. It often feels like a cult following, and people are willing to believe every single word that they say, and willing to do whatever they are asked to do. I find that very scary...

LOL!!! Hysterical! I'm so glad you love WM.

I agree with you, I have no doubt that our founding fathers are all turning over in their graves over the way the government has turned out.

Cathrine, you rule. At least you keep yourself informed and have valid points in my humble opinion!