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Old 10-06-2009, 09:18 PM
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Wisconsin Parents Get Probation Plus Jail in Daughter's Prayer Death - Local News | News Articles | National News | US News - FOXNews.com

What!?

They allowed their child to DIE from a treatable disease.
I'm a huge proponent of faith and prayer, but man! This one really chaps my hide....
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Old 10-07-2009, 07:49 AM
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Wow, that is just infuriating. As a Buddhist, I believe in science first, faith last. Standing over a child, or anyone, praying, while they are in a diabetic coma (or complications from diabetes) is just WRONG!! My uncle died because he was a severe diabetic. He died because he went into a diabetic coma. He was home all alone when it happened, and when he was found, it was wayyyy too late, HOURS too late. He lived alone, and was elderly, and had diabeties for half of his life. His sugar bottomed out, he went into a coma, and a few hours later, he died, on the floor of his own home.

So for adults to stand over a sick child and think that PRAYER is going to do anything, when the body is being ravaged by insulin or sugar, (or any disease for that matter) is just insane! Those people disgust me! Prayer isn't going to do a thing in a situation like this!! I don't get what is WRONG with people sometimes!! How can they think praying is going to help? The article was very short, and it said she was undiagnosed with diabetes. So maybe they didn't realize what was wrong with her, but she was clearly very sick, verry verrrry sick, and obviously their standing around praying like a couple of incompetent parents caused this little girls death. They should have been rushing her to the hospital! IDIOTS!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 10-07-2009, 08:32 AM
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As a Christian, I believe in faith first BUT my faith leads me to believe that God created man with an amazing mind and the ability to do amazing things (doctors and scientists). Science is a gift from God and when used to heal people of disease or help them manage chronic illness, it pleases God. I believe in the power of prayer/faith but I also believe that God intended us to use the gifts He gives us, that is, the healing power of medicine/medical care.

This case and others like it are heartbreaking and maddening.
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Old 10-07-2009, 09:43 AM
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Here we go again , another sad case, of where a parent takes religion to perform a miracle and save their child. While I was born and raised and catholic and still am and while I am also firm believe in the powe of prayer and prayed many many many times for my son and my other children and my brother Sonny and many other family members over the years, nothing would ever ever ever prevent me from seeking medical intervention if it mean't to save a life especiallu the life of my child. My heart dearly goes out to that child... May god bless her soul... Peace. Catherine
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Old 10-07-2009, 11:36 AM
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FAITH in GOD nearly caused my death.

When I was 3 years old, it was discovered that I'd need open heart surgery. I had a hole in my heart. I had been a preemie baby, premature and born at 26 weeks. My father's parents, hard core southern baptists, did NOT want me to have the surgery, saying, put it in god's hands. MY parents said NO WAY we are having the surgery and it caused a HUGE family fight. My dad was raised as a southern baptist, and my mother a Catholic, who went to school in Germany with nuns who actually did beat your hands with rulers! Neither of them saw any reason to let blind faith lead their way. Thanks be to my lucky stars my parents had enough sense to get me the open heart surgery I needed to save my fragile life. I had other complications from being a preemie, but the heart problem was the most threatening one.

I loved my grandparents dearly. But to not recognize when medical help is needed, and to blindly put one's faith in God, would have been a deadly mistake. I certainly would not be sitting here typing this had they gotten their way.

And now, a little girl, who had an easily maintainable illness, is DEAD, and what a shame that is! I guess those parents are going to try to justify their actions by claiming that it was "God's will" or something like that...... I believe they were completely negligent.
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Old 10-07-2009, 12:08 PM
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bbb, fortunately, it wasn't your grandparents decision to make.

Stories like this always remind me of this story:

A man was stranded on his roof while flood waters rose around him. A rescuer in a boat came by but the man refused saying that he was waiting for God to save him.

Another rescuer came by in a canoe, again the man refused in favor of waiting for God to save him.

As the water rose and things were desperate for the man, a helicopter came by and offered to take the man to safety. A final time, the man refused saying he was waiting for God to save him.

After the man drowned, he faced God and asked Him why he didn't save him. God replied: What do you mean!? I sent you two boats and a helicopter!
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Old 10-07-2009, 12:28 PM
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ROTFLMAO!!! GOOD one! And a good point too. ;-)
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Old 10-07-2009, 09:00 PM
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I wonder how those religious groups who oppose medical intervention feel about the use by either Luke or Jesus (I'll fry f'sure for not remembering this one exactly! ;-) of mud and spit to cure a blind man. *That* was medical intervention back then, today we have more advanced medications (though I don't doubt that whatever was in the mud and spit had some properties still being used by pharmaceutical co.s today). Even the Jews of the old testament had surgery - circumcision.
I'm not intending to be snarky at all, but if anyone on this board can explain to me why certain groups don't believe in anything other than prayer for healing I'd love to learn about it.
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Old 10-07-2009, 09:29 PM
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I wonder how those religious groups who oppose medical intervention feel about the use by either Luke or Jesus (I'll fry f'sure for not remembering this one exactly! ;-) of mud and spit to cure a blind man. *That* was medical intervention back then, today we have more advanced medications (though I don't doubt that whatever was in the mud and spit had some properties still being used by pharmaceutical co.s today). Even the Jews of the old testament had surgery - circumcision.
I'm not intending to be snarky at all, but if anyone on this board can explain to me why certain groups don't believe in anything other than prayer for healing I'd love to learn about it.
Yep, by that same token, they should also not use a mechanic to fix their cars either. Just pray for the cars healing!
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Old 10-08-2009, 10:12 AM
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A child is dependant on their parents to make good decisions, they have no choice in their medical treatment (usually).

It's very upsetting to know the parents got off so easily. How totally irresponsible! I think everyone who was praying over this girl and saw she was in dire distress should also be charged with Aiding and Abetting. (The only one with common sense was the Aunt who tried to persuade the parents to take her to the hospital)

Don't get me wrong, I totally respect the "idea" of their belief, but come on...when you think your child is in a coma it's time to allow Doctors to intervene. Seriously...the argument can be made that God gave the Doctors the knowledge to help us/heal us.
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