(and by the way, I'm not trying to start a political debate here...)

wishes he hadn't been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize?

He hasn't really done anything to *achieve* peace anywhere yet.

He's nine months into the job.

I guess for me, were I in that spot, I'd think it would feel sweeter to get it after pulling off some amazing, ground-breaking 'deal' between enemies after I'd been slaving away at negotiations, or at least having had more history having been in the thick of the international circuit.

At this point, all he's had the opportunity to do is speak his thoughts, and that's why they awarded it to him... they said his ideas gave them hope.

I'm thinking it would feel more gratifying if it came in two or three years if in fact he is able to broker some deal with Israel/Palestine, get Iran to disarm, remove all troops from the Middle East, etc.

I agree, he hasn't done anything. Lots of people talk about peace shouldn't they all be awarded then?

Renee

I understand what the Nobel committee was trying to do by giving him the award. I disagree with their mindset, but I understand that they are using it as a message and not so much recognition of an accomplishment like it used to be.

I'm just thinking if I had gotten an award for... oh... I dunno... weight loss... I'd want to have established that I dropped significant body mass and not just because I had announced I was going on a diet. lol

I also think it's a little risky for their own reputation to have given him this award now. He's not even 25% of the way into his four years as president, and if he makes some decisions that cause peace to be upended (ticks off Iran and someone gets nuked, etc...)... hindsight is 20/20.

And if he does achieve something great, do they give it to him again? How does that work?

Totally unjustified in my opinion. He just isn't accomplished enought to be deserving of this award. Again just MY opinion not meant to start a feud.

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I would like it spelled out as to what he has done to achieve peace. Sincerely, I have no idea. I can think of tons of people who have done something 'noble' for peace that haven't gotten the prize. I'd even give it to Jesse Jackson, who I can't stand, before Obama because he has actually done or has tried to do things for years.

Kathy, I think they've made an intentional shift to giving the award for philosophies rather than achievements.

I wonder if they thought that through long and hard. It really does change the face of the award. In my adult lifetime, it's seemed a left-leaning thing, but in the past at least they have identified *what* they believed the recipient had done that furthered peace. I didn't always agree with their assessment, but at least they said, "THIS thing you DID, in our opinion, furthered peace!"

This time it's, "We like your plans, dude!"

To me, it diminishes the power of the award. Someone suggested that Clinton would have been a better choice given his post-office work.

The place that I work at has a department working day in and day out for a cure for cancer... Does that mean that we should all recieve the nobel peace prize??

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Perhaps in time for as I have spoken before I am and always will be againist the war, if he succeeds in ending the war and perhaps Iraq as a country could be left as a peaceful country perhaps but while I voted for him and am still willing to fully support him, he does not deserve it yet. Also as Dannic wrote the nobel peace prize should be give to so many other people who contribute to our lives on so many levels to make our lives better and our country a better and safe place to live. Peace. Catherine

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Didn't he - himself - say that he didn't think he deserved it?

I think I heard him say that on the news today?

He did, KellyJef.

No, he doesn't deserve it. He's done nothing. In fact, what I've read, he was nominated only 2 weeks into office. ???? I just returned from a funeral and haven't done my homework on this but who nominated him??

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Both dh and I voted for Obama. Today while watching the news, dh asked me "what exactly did he get the peace prize for?"

I don't know.

I'm thinking he probably would have rather gotten it after he accomplished something.

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I did a Roadrunner type skid to stop this morning and make sure I heard on the tv what I thought I heard (I don't sit in front of it, it's on while I get ready).

I couldn't believe it. I thought, what rock have I been under (maybe Wile E. Coyote got me) to have missed an accomplishment worthy of the Nobel? None, nothing as great as others who have been working for eons.

I do not get it. Not wanting to start politically either, but he's basically accomplished running around in circles and giving bazillions of dollars away - none of which has anything to do with peace. He hasn't even pulled any troops out for a reduction!

I don't think so many get it, and then I think, with this, I don't get it.

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kellyjef, just reading your statement (didn't hear it myself) I'd think that would be the answer that basically any recipient would give. Kind of an "aww shucks, little ole me?" in a humble manner. I would take it that way, not as an admission of him truly realizing he isn't deserving. He's been so confident in everything I would expect that kind of response.

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Uh, no. Finding a cure for cancer is a great goal, but has nothing to do with world peace. Maybe you could win a Nobel prize in Medicine,.

The Nobel Peace Prize has nothing to do with being noble either. The guy whose money funds the prize was named Alfred Nobel.

What I've heard regarding why it was given to Obama isn't so much because of what he's accomplished, but to send a message. They also gave it to Jimmy Carter. Rumor has it that one was also given to send a "Here's an award for not being a Bush" message.

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Deddlastt can I ask what is wrong with what Kellyjef wrote and said that President Obama himself said he does not think he deserves the nobel peace prize and then Wowitsdark confirmed that, is that not enough . Again I sincerely hope this does not turn into another political debate as it should not, personally again there is nothing Obama has done thus far as a president that earns this the distinction of receiving this high acheivement. I do however sincerely hope and pray that he does make good on his promise to bring our troops home and end this war, for that would be the most peaceful thing of all...Peace. Catherine

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I hope I don't end up wishing I had simply knocked my head against a wall, 40 times, with each time being harder and harder.

I simply tried to convey I think that most recipients would respond that way-in a dignified, quiet, low key way. I meant that most people would not jump up and down, shout, carry on about themselves, have prepared comments, etc.

I did see previously that you basically agreed, he wasn't worthy of this great honor. I know you are overjoyed at everything he does and for you to acknolwedge this, must have been hard.

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To deddlastt thanks for answering my question and you do not have to knock your head 40 times lol seriously and honestly do not want any problems and again I thank you for answering my question.As far as me answering the question do I feel Obama deserves this award was not hard, basically and sincerely I have just decided to be a democrat and always will however I cannot be a hypocrite and say oh yeah Obama is the greatest president and everything is fine it is not. I honestly do not know how long it will be before our Country will be back on her feet. I put my trust in President Obama by voting for him, but I also now I feel about the war and how I listened to how many times he said our troops will return home. So I will just have to allow him some more time and hopefully and pray that our soldiers all return home safely... Peace. Catherine

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Nope, I totally disagree. I think he knows -- and believes -- that he did absolutely NOTHING to deserve it.

And I don't understand your last sentence at all If he's "so confident in everything", why wouldn't he think he deserved it?

There is NO WAY he deserves this. It takes away from others who have won it and deserved it. The ONLY reason he got it is because he is the first black US President. That does NOT deserve a Nobel Peace Prize. I am sooo tired of the race issue. People are people and enough with black, white, etc.
He realizes it and it does "cheapen" the award. Too bad they didn't ask him first, I'll bet he would have turned it down.

Sorry while I agree President Obama did not earn this award yet, I cannot believe you would think that he won it because he was the first Black American President, that is a racist statement out and out. Why in the world would someone honor someone because of their race, color , creed, religion to receive this high honor????. I agree it should never be a issue what color your skin is, in whether you deserve this award, it goes way further then the color or your skin, as honestly I never ever thought that his winning this award was because of the color of his skin at all never ever ever... Peace. Catherine

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Correct me if I am wrong here, but isn't he half black/half white? Doesn't that make him just as much a white president as a black one? Is he being hailed as the first African American president just because he has darker skin and can use that to his advantage as a "Black" president. If his skin was a little whiter would he be a "white" president even though he was half black?

I am sick of hearing him being hailed the first African American President. He is biracial. Not true African American as both parents aren't African American. He is of African American decent.

And to get back on topic no I don't think he deserves the Nobel Peace Prize. If he had been in office a few years and we had seen some change then yes maybe, but right now no. I think there are far more deserving people out there than him.

I wonder what he is going to do with his $1.4 million dollar prize he is going to get with it.

How do you know that? Seems to me that you're the one obsessed with race.

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He's already said that he's giving it to charity.

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I hadn't seen that. Thank you for answering.

To Keowa your correct he is biracial, however as appearences goes he does look like a Black American Person because his father was from Africa and I think perhaps because of that his skin color takes on more of being a All Black American Person. To be personally I would have like him to have been presented to us as always a proud half American and Half African Man but the public will not view it as such, they are taking him for appearences only and when I look at him I see a Black American however I know he is not 100 percent he is very much half and half. Again this being so has nothing to do with him winning the Nobel Peace Prize, that statement to me makes no sense at all.Peace. Catherine

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Watching this collective meltdown is fun. Keep going. I am in need of some humor today.

He's an American, of African roots. He could be caucasian and be an African national. He chose to use his skin color to hi advantage in the election---just like Hillary and Sarah used there gender....

And are all of you forgetting "Beer Summit"? if that didn't further World peace, I don't know what will

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Okay wait Marilynk you one person I honestly do not want to argue with, but you honestly believe that he used his skin color to further his poltical career thus becoming the first African or Black or Black./White president??, then Marilyn I am sorry but then that is also a racist comment. And then to further say that because Hillary or even Sarah Palin because they are women used that as a advantage, you cannot compare the two at all. It should be only about men and women and that is it not the creed, the color, the race, the gender, the religion. Marilyn sorry but I expected a better response from you honestly I did. Why does it always have to come back to someones skin color, can we not simply judge someone from just the outside appearence???. Peace. Catherine

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ill, here is part of your run on/run together/incomplete sentence/paragraph monstrosity:

....It should be only about men and women and that is it not the creed, the color, the race, the gender, the religion.......

In your opinion, (and I am truly struggling to understand you) you pick out it should ONLY be about men and women.

Yet, you continue with specifics and btw, GENDER is male/female. You have contradicted yourself.

Stop tossing racist around, marilynk is not a racist from what I've read. He did choose to be "black". I said it a long time ago, he is not our first AA President, he's our first 1/2 and 1/2, mixed, pick your adjective, but many chose to hang the banner on him, many wanted it hung on him, and he continued with it because he had been living it.

Simply because someone doesn't agree with a person of color, it does NOT make them a racist. Now I will say, leaders in my area of the NAACP were interviewed and overwhelmingly, they were all in deep and greatful accord that he won the Nobel. Try that one on for racist. I am not saying it is, I am not saying it isn't. I am just saying, look beyond and stop the racist stuff (yes, I'd like to use another word) when you have nothing else to go on while boo hooing.

I really thought earlier that you had some sense of rationality when you, of all Obama-lovers, could admit he did nothing to have the Nobel bestowed upon him and lookee here. It sure didn't last long.

I knew I'd need that wall......

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Deddlastt first off I sincerely tired to be nice with you, but will it ever work??? I guess not because again , here we go with mentioning my grammar and run on sentences, if you honestly do not like how I write why do you read my posts???. You do not need the wall, you mentioned it, however you still respond to my posts. At this point and its not just you , if you or anyone else has a problem with my grammar, skip over the post, or just talk about the post, but please do me a favor and stop commenting on my grammar its so old at this point. As far as gender I know what gender is male or female so what is the problem there???. Perhaps I was wrong to say that Marilyn is using racism in this thread , however I do not and will not believe that President Obama used his skin color to get him where he is today, if you feel he did or others then thats your personal beliefs. I also do not feel that neither Hillary nor Sarah used their gender "female" to further their political careers.. Again my personal views on the subject matter. I do not know about you but one day I would love to see a full pledge Black American President but more then that I would love to see us a nation nominate and vote into the White House our first Women President because it sure is time afterall it is 2009.. Peace. Catherine

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HE'S a POLITICIAN---of course he used whatever advantage he could!
Just like some politician's play the gender card, the religion card or even their family card....Obama played the race card to his advantage. Good God are you so stupid that you don't even get that.

I'm a bitch. I'm known as Queen Bitch to some....but I have not, nor will I ever be racist. I choose to look at a person's character not their race, color, creed, religion, etc. I have questions about Obama's character, or at best his experience and ability to govern---don't give a **** about the color of his skin.

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Wow Marilyn so now I am stupid thanks that was so nice, I have sincerely tired so hard to answer into your threads concerning your personal life, but to no avail because here I am again stuck between you and Deddlastt, somethings truly never change do they???. As far as being a B.... well from the post above you said it and it speaks volumns, if you took a moment to read my whole post I did say perhaps I was wrong to say Marilyn make a racist comment, but I stand firm, I do not and will not believe he used his skin color to get him where he is today our President of the United States.... No peace here. Catherine

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I asked if you were so stupid that you couldn't see that Obama, like the majority of politicians, used certain things (like skin color) to his advantage. I don't give a flip if you reply to my posts--whether you reply in a positive manner or in a negative manner.
Obama is but a man! Not only that, he's a man who wanted to be President---and whether you want to see or admit it, he condoned the use of of his race to get more votes! Because that's what politicians do. Most politicians, who are Catholic will use their faith in the discussion of abortion! Mike Huckabee used his good ole Southern Baptist roots to get votes....
Why in the blue hell do you think McCain chose Sarah Palin? Not because she was the best candidate, but because he wanted to get the female vote! Get real. Get educated. Get your head out of the clouds and take off the rose colored glasses.
You called me a racist--and YOU want to play the victim? I don't freaking think so, sweet cheeks....

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Marilyn Iike I said I did say perhaps I was wrong to put you and racism in the same post, however fact is a fact, you were the one who said he used his skin color to further his political career, not me you said it, if you were not talking about racism then why even bring up his skin color???. You know Marilyn I have dearly tried to be nice and I sincerely mean't every nice comment I wrote into your posts concerning your personal life. Perhaps it does not matter to you if I post into your posts or not and it this point it seems you honestly just told me you could care less. So for the forum and for you I apologize if I called you a racist .It ends here this topic is closed you may choose to continue to post . I have made my point Obama did not derserve the award and I do not believe he used his skin color to get him anywhere. Peace. Catherine

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Catherine-you are right to say he did not deserve the award. I think any rational person would agree to that. But you are naive to think he doesn't use his skin color. It's politics-people use whatever they can to advance. It's how the game is played.

Lucy, I think he'd have been stupid NOT to let his race be a factor in his campaign. People hailed the fact that America had 'come so far' that a black man could even run, etc.

People milk whatever attributes they have that they think will warm the hearts of the voters. The idea that we are now more colorblind than we used to be is true, and the fact that we're colorblind enough that he was able to be on the ticket was worth some bonus points for him in the race.

I think he'd have won, anyway, as people were mad at Bush... but it sure didn't hurt him.

You have said your husband is in construction. Let's try this. Suppose he took a shovel or bobcat to a job when he needed a dumptruck. Suppose he took a lawn tractor with a box blade when he needed a grader. Suppose he used 2x4's when he needed 4x4's. Suppose he used roofing nails for frame work. Suppose he forgot the felt paper or he used two layers under shingles. Suppose he consistently botched the job specifications and requirements and when the paying party and the code enforcement folks kindly said no, that's not right, that's not what is accepted, he started to carry on about how they were picking on him.

How far do you think he would have gotten? He would lose respect, he would lose contracts, he would lose a lot. People wouldn't even consider him for a bid, and word would be out about how he conducts business. The more he would cry about how unfair it was, how it didn't matter, and again, how people were picking on him, the more people would not consider him.

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Deddlastt one more time to you and who else has a problem with my grammar, do you sincerely think it is such a big issue especially here on the boards to keep bringing it up over and over again. Deddlastt, this is a small time chat board withing a coupon trading forum and website, whom do I need to impress, whom is truly getting hurt by my grammar and how come it is without a doubt the same ladies who are bothered with my grammar, honestly, move on I am tired of having to prove myself to you ladies, neither me or you or anyone else on these boards are prefect, you act and complain like I write like a first grader. End it I am tired and will not answer any more complaints enough is enough. Of course as you mentioned about my Husband who has been in the construction business for 28 years now if he did make those kinds of mistakes especially building condos and single and 2 family and 3 family homes his family business would be in trouble. But you Deddlastt cannot compare my father in laws extremely successful business of over 52 years to this small time chit chat cafe cmom honestly, again who do I have to impress, no one...Peace. Catherine

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No one has to impress anyone here.

But I will say that this is a venue for people to communicate about thoughts and ideas.

The written word is how that is done.

To not make an attempt to give those words the best possible chance at effectively communicating your thoughts is doing your thoughts a disservice. It leaves those who read them confused as to exactly what message you are trying to get across.

Sometimes, if the grammar is bad enough, it actually reflects so poorly on the thought itself that it would've have been better left unshared... rather than shared but butchered.

You know...I've been comtemplating Mr. Obama and how this must have made him feel. Every person, regardless of what is presented to the public, really "knows" him or herself. I almost pity him. He KNOWS he's been all talk. For all his bravado and arrogance, he knows deep down, who he really is and just how little he has accomplished. I predict this will bite him and the commitee right in the butt one day.


and on the race thing.....to believe that he didn't use his race is naive. The whole world used it, and continues to do so. Not saying it was wrong or right......but it's a fact.

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And yet almost all of the blacks who descended from slaves have some white in them. In that sense, he's not unusual.

This is America where if you're part black, you'll be seen as black period. We have come a long way but we are not there yet.

He has set much in motion but you have to give him credit for repairing the strained relationships we had with the rest of the world. Frankly, I do not know who else would have deserved it.

It's an honor for him and for this nation.

Strong and bitter words indicate a weak argument.

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Really? Seriously? Is that an absolute?

Ask momrajum.

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I'd rather you answer, thanks, since you made the assertion.

Obama winning the Nobel Peace Prize definitely struck a WTF moment with me. But when I think about it, perhaps it acknowledges the monumental progress toward racial peace that his winning the popular election symbolizes.

I guess that every year is not going to bring forward a winner of the likes of Mother Teresa (1979), the Dalai Lama (1989), Nelson Mandela (1993), Kofi Anaan (2001).

And of course, y'all know my opinion on the importance of using proper sentences and paragraphs to help the reader understand one's points. But that's a well-beaten horse.

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I'd rather you read her post carefully, thanks, since she was the one who made the assertion in the first place. Do I really have to spell it out? I was feeding her own words back to her.

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Once again to all on this forum who it seems to be a small very small group of ladies who are bothered with my grammar so on and so forth, I could care less, again the story is so old and so tired. Also on a final note I proved my point once again it is the same people who complain about my grammar over and over again and here comes cjs216 to throw her 2 cents worth in about proper sentences. Again final note you do not like the way I write skip over its that easy...Some of you ladies seriously do not realize its the same ones who complain over and over again....Get a life this is a small chitchat board we are discussing issues here honestly get a life. No peace here. Catherine

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I just have to say that just because one doesn't complain, does not mean it's not an issue for them. Silence does not equal condonement. (is that a word??)

And my words were not meant to be strong or bitter. Are you saying that you agree that he didn't use his race to his advantage? And the rest is simply my opinion/thoughts. No biggie.

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Saturday Night Live is good
YouTube - Saturday Night Live Mocks Barack Obama Nobel Peace Prize Win

Last week's was better
YouTube - SNL Obama Do Nothing Skit 10 3 09

Really? The whole world likes us now? No worries anymore? This is all news to me!!!

Frankly, I think it's silly if they suddenly 'like us' just because of Obama.

We're still in Iraq. We're still in Afghanistan. We still use oil. We still don't have universal health care. Our dollar's collapse has brought other economies to their knees.

Seriously, what's to like? We're awful people. Just awful. Always have been always will be. Obama hasn't changed any of that.

Mike Huckabee just did a humurous spiel about all the awards he "hopes" to win because of things he "hopes" to do. He went a bit long, but it was funny at first.

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My mom just sent me this breaking news!!!!!

Obama wins the Heisman Trophy after watching a college football game!!!