ABC is reporting that the army knew he had been attempting to make contact with al Qaeda.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out, given that he is alive. Will he be tried by military courts? I assume so, but I admit I don't know how all that works.

There has been a conscious effort not to incite the Muslim world by highlighting the religious impetus behind the actions of terrorists, with both Presidents Bush and Obama going so far as to emphasize that they believed Islam was a religion of peace.

But how will this play out in the courts and in public opinion? Will our concerns about him being elevated as a martyr in the Middle East temper our response to the murders he committed on American soil?

It truly is sad that the military personal who found him didnt take care of him/ Now we get to support and deal with this jackass for the rest of his pathetic life....

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We are afraid to call like it is. He was basically protected because of his beliefs. Ppl were afraid of him and what he stood for, not because he was frightening, but because they were afraid for their own careers. He couldn't be called out because we have become SO pc.

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Yes, and because some are so PC, look at the lives that will never be the same again. This was a terrorist attack, plain and simple. And now of course, he's lawyered up (he's awake and talking now), and his lawyer has said he doesn't want him talking to law enforcement and no interrogations. Well, excuse me!!! He just killed 13 of our finest!!

This murderer lived in my town during his younger years. He graduated from a local high school. His parents owned two businesses, one a restaurant (Capital Restaurant) and a small store (Community Store). The FBI visited the store the day after the shooting. Both parents came from Pakistan (they're both dead now). He could speak Arabic (even though an interview by an uncle said he didn't know Arabic). He is shown on a high school video talking in Arabic and even telling a dirty joke in Arabic. A friend said he spoke the language a lot.

I have no pity on him. I'm going to stop talking now because I'll probably say something I shouldn't. Except to say I'll quote something someone else said when I was talking to them the other day, "They should have just let him bled out and ignored him laying on the ground."

Yep! Because should this actually go to trial? This individual will become akin to a hero for his ilk.

I'm disgusted with this individual and what he did.
I'm sickened that our society has become so "PC" that we can't call a spade a spade---instead we have to refer to a spade as pointy-ended digging implement!

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That's my sense as well - that we are tip-toeing around this. Conventional wisdom was that if we got rid of Bush and brought in Obama, who had greater world support (whatever that has to do with anything) that our enemies would embrace us. That's not what I see happening at all. Reports are that his actions were highly lauded by some overseas and he is being called a hero.

I heard someone on some news show last night (I have no clue what channel or show - I was mostly asleep on the couch!) surmise that if he had been a Roman Catholic who killed people in an abortion clinic, there would be no hesitation on the part of the media to come right out and blame his rigid, militant right-winged religious upbringing for his deeds... but I'm afraid that other than a couple of reports by ABC and on Fox, what I'm hearing is a lot of, "Well, we know that he actually belongs to a religion of peace, but he was so distraught by the wars that he apparently just snapped. It's not really his fault or the fault of his religion."

I think now would be the time for some widespread loud and proud denouncing of this guy from some heavy-hitting Muslim group. I think if - as that commentator surmised - this had been a Catholic, they'd be getting Catholics on every news commentary show and grilling them. "But don't you think, Father McInernay, that there are elements of your religion that cause people to be emboldened to do this?" And yet I don't see that being done with the Ft. Hood killer situation.

Are we just that namby-pamby and afraid to come right out and tell it like it is because we'll be labeled with some non-PC label?

We are military and if there is any good that comes out of this is that I hope everyone sees that ALL forms of religions are supported, welcomed and observed. This bothered me none until we were at Ft Bragg and on the post chapel schedule there was a service slot for Wiccans which is a neopagan, nature-based religion. That just really got to me.
We are now in the DC area and when you go to Bethesda Naval Hospital all books of worship are on display and the Holy Bible is in the display case positioned in the center back and the Qur'an is in the front!! That just makes me mad.
I am not a PC person~I am a moral and fair person.
I just feel sorry for all the families that are hurting today because they have lost a loved one due to someone being so selfish and mean. I know NOTHING about Muslims or the Qur'an but I do not think that it would say anything about killing people. I also think this was selfish for him to do for the Muslims that are here and are trying to live in peace and show that they are not some sort of American hating killers. He just brought shame upon them as well.
These are my thoughts and these are my comments. If I offend someone on this board then I am sorry that you were offended.

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Honestly, I am surprised it has taken this long for something like this to happen. Perhaps some policy changes will occur .

I believe ALL people with extreme religious views should be watched very closely. No religion has cornered the market of using God to justify murder and war.

I understand what you are saying. I guess that my observation is that if, as I mentioned above, it had been a Catholic (and I'm not Catholic) that there wouldn't be hesitation to say that "extreme right-wing Christians" should be watched. Because it is not PC to identify the Muslim religion today we're going around making blanket statements like the one you just did about *all* religions.

This time around, *all* religions did not have a direct connection to what was done. But we can't say that in today's PC, don't-offend-our-enemies climate.

If the election was supposed to be 'proof' to the world that we're not renegade cowboys like Bush, then why was the Ft. Hood murderer not appeased? And why are those who laud him overseas not saying, "No, no - we don't encourage that behavior now because they got a new President and we like him and America!"

If a Catholic shot up an army base I doubt too many assume religion played a part. People would first assume he was mentally ill or holding a grudge against someone there. Plenty of white "Christians" have shot up schools, office buildings, and post offices. Rarely is religion immediately thought to be the cause.

I get your point though. If it had been an abortion clinic it would be probably be assumed that right wing religious views played a part.

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Don't get me wrong....I have no pity for anyone who kills innocent people, plain and simple. What I am trying to understand is what you are trying to say or imply by the things I have put in bold and red? I want to be sure I am getting the meaning of what you are saying before I reply.

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What I'm saying is that in an interview by his uncle, the uncle stated his nephew was a good American and that he didn't even know Arabic, which isn't true... our local TV stations are showing him speaking Arabic very well (since high school even). Which to me shows that his relatives are trying to cover for him.

I'm not mom2, but I think what she is highlighting is the fact that his relatives were being interviewed on tv saying that he wasn't all that connected to his religious past, that he couldn't speak his family's native tongue, etc., but that there was evidence to the contrary.

ETA - lol, nevermind...

you are right, he brought shame to muslims. i am born into muslim relegion, non practicing non believer tho, and every time some idiot pulls crap like this, it disturbs us. my dh and i always talk about how might americans feel about us when something like this happens. do they blame us? do they think that we support such acts?
ok, here is a real story, there was a teacher working with my mom backhome, she was one of those radicals, who where burqa over her head and face. she is covered from head to toe, even her eyes. well her and her husband and family applied to immigration visa to canada. my mom and i were talking that they will never get it. well they got the visa RIGHT AWAY.
we were so surprised, i am sure if my sister applied for a visa to just visit me, she would have to apply few times to get it.
according to muslim relegion (i am non practicing, but we had to study it at school), muslims are discouraged to live in a non muslim country, so i DO NOT understand why practicing, radical muslims have to immigrate to the america, or to any other non muslim countries.
and to those who say that muslim relegion is peace relegion, that is BS.
there is a verse in the quran, that says kill the infedals (sp?)where you find them. infedals refers to all non muslims, no offense intended from me.
i don't want to scare you away from your muslim friends if you have any. the non radical muslims are peace loving people.
here i said my 2 cents, if you don't like it bite me.(this statement is not directed to ilovemychurch)

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