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Old 12-29-2009, 10:44 PM
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As Fonzie Used to Say "I was wrrr I was wrrr I was not right"

I regret voting for Obama. I still see him as a relatively honest man who wanted to change this country to what his ideals feel this country should be.
I can admit when I am wrong and this time I was wrong.
I don't think McCain would have been a good president either.
At this point I wish Hillary would've won at least she has business connections and could have possibly kept or added jobs.
I'm not sure but I don't see one single thing that our President has done to improve the country or the economic situation we're in.
I just hope the next three years hold something better for this country. I feel like we're going to Hell in a hand basket.
Many countries have been around for thousands of years. The United States is going down in less than 300 if things continue the way they're going.
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Old 12-30-2009, 12:27 AM
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Well, you aren't going to get an I told you so from me...

I voted for McCain, but really wish that I could have voted for Mitt Romney. I think that he would have done a fantastic job with the economy and would have been good at making hard decisions.

When I think of our country these days, I realize that it couldn't last forever. The prosperity, I mean. Historically, it's just the way it goes, right? And then I remember hearing that the US is not mentioned (at least some believe) in the end times. I wonder if we are living in those days...

We keep expecting everything to go back to "normal" or at least get better, and there is no promise that it will. It could get worse, or we could be living the new normal. Interesting stuff either way.
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Old 12-30-2009, 06:44 AM
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I am not ready to give up on Obama yet. It took many years for us to get in this mess. It won't be solved over night. Give it some time. We would have had the same problens no matter who was elected. Who's to say anyone else would have done things better. We will never know.
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Old 12-30-2009, 07:36 AM
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Obama isn't a miracle worker! GEEZ OH MAN! Everyone has expected Obama to dig us out of this HUGE hole the Bush administration put us in like over night. GET REAL PEOPLE!
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Old 12-30-2009, 07:53 AM
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Obama isn't a miracle worker! GEEZ OH MAN! Everyone has expected Obama to dig us out of this HUGE hole the Bush administration put us in like over night. GET REAL PEOPLE!
Exactly... get real~~ You can't blame Former President Bush for everything!
I won't even start to say what I think of Obama. He had not business being in the White House to begin with. Pretty soon you will have so much government involved in every aspect of your life you won't recognize this country anymore. Czar's in the US??? Have you seen the list? Obama lied just like everyone else. I agree that Mitt would have been a better decision dealing with the economy.
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Old 12-30-2009, 08:02 AM
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Obama isn't a miracle worker! GEEZ OH MAN! Everyone has expected Obama to dig us out of this HUGE hole the Bush administration put us in like over night. GET REAL PEOPLE!
I second that opinion!

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Old 12-30-2009, 09:54 AM
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I don't really know that much about Romney. At this point, it seems he may have been the least of all evils...I didn't vote for him in the primary's. I just really don't trust Obama. He is overly confident and seems to be a bully and that's how he rules. At some point things will cease to be Bush's fault.......then what will he do?? What excuses will he have. Blaming other ppl is getting old. Man up and deal. Some of these messes would have been no matter who was in office.
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Old 12-30-2009, 11:32 AM
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I know you can't fix a big mess fast but I honestly can't see one thing he's done to even start getting us out of this mess. If I'm missing something please tell me what has he done so far to even begin the road to recovery?
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Old 12-30-2009, 11:45 AM
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Old 12-30-2009, 11:46 AM
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It kind of reminds me of George from Seinfeld. You know how he would have a job and not really know what he was supposed to be doing....lol. I feel like he's there, but not quite sure what to do now!! He's just better at faking it than George...
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Old 12-30-2009, 11:56 AM
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Well all i have to say about this is "BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR!!"
All the Obama supporters cramme dhim down our throats,now that they see his isnt doing a damn thing their minds change...
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Old 12-30-2009, 12:03 PM
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I still support president Obama. As for economic recovery I can say in our household since he's been president my DH is much more secure in his job. He is also working almost 30 hrs a week overtime. I think it's going to take some time to get this country out of the mess it's in. I don't think it would matter who was elected, no one was going to turn this around in a short amount of time.
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Old 12-30-2009, 12:04 PM
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I read the article and there are some valid points in there. However I am worried about jobs or lack thereof and I haven't really seen anything done about that. Stimulus funds haven't produced any jobs to speak of around here and I see Oregon (as well as many other states) sinking deeper into a mess.
I voted for him I don't hate him I just feel he may not have enough experience to do what it's going to take to get our country back on track. For everyone's sake I hope I am wrong. And yes I am willing to wait and see what happens however I am scared that things may never get back to a place of prosperity.
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Old 12-30-2009, 12:08 PM
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I didn't vote for him. Didn't like him then, don't like him now. I can't wait for 2012.

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Old 12-30-2009, 12:17 PM
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I still support president Obama. As for economic recovery I can say in our household since he's been president my DH is much more secure in his job. He is also working almost 30 hrs a week overtime. I think it's going to take some time to get this country out of the mess it's in. I don't think it would matter who was elected, no one was going to turn this around in a short amount of time.
Good for your DH!! However, on the other hand, my DH's job stinks and the job market in our area stinks right along with it. A normal work week was 50-55 hrs. Now it's 40 hrs if he works at all. Our income was down $8,000 last year. Our income is down another $17,000 this year.

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Old 12-30-2009, 12:26 PM
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Well all i have to say about this is "BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR!!"
All the Obama supporters cramme dhim down our throats,now that they see his isnt doing a damn thing their minds change...
Well, we did not all cram anything and we did not all change our minds.....(me)
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Old 12-30-2009, 12:46 PM
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Well all i have to say about this is "BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR!!"
All the Obama supporters cramme dhim down our throats,now that they see his isnt doing a damn thing their minds change...
No one crammed Obama down anyone's throat. It's called an election. Time for you to take a civics lesson!
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I think she meant that there were some ppl on here and irl who were VERY vocal about singing Obama's praises. He just aint all that. He's just not...I don't think anyone can really argue that at this point. Ya just gotta be careful when you loudly champion someone. It could come back to bite ya in the butt...lol
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He just aint all that.
No politician is all that and a bag of chips. I still support him.
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Old 12-30-2009, 01:28 PM
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Thats exactly what I meant... there were quite a few people on here who just thought that he was going to change things over night and anyone with a different opinion was automatically wrong. It was OBAMA this and OBAMA that and the funny part is, he has not really done anything that he claimed he was going to do...
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Old 12-30-2009, 01:51 PM
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Don't forget to vote in your state elections for Senate and House positions. This too will have an impact before 2012.

Oh - no worries there! DH and I were just talking about this the other day. We always vote for who is the best person. Next years election, we will be voting straight party lines! It's time for change! (Hmmm, where have I heard that before?!) LOL!

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I'll give him more time....however, I didn't vote for McCain or Obama.

I think that perhaps President Obama is/was overwhelmed by the complete and utter mess he inherited. It may take him a while to get somethings straightened out.

I'm not impressed thus far, but I know there is a lot of work to done and he's just started.
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Old 12-30-2009, 02:21 PM
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Has he started?? I think that's the concern. I just don't see that what he's supposedly done is going to be effective.
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I personally do not regret voting for President Obama I will admit however I am upset that our troops are not home and more were sent. I know it was not going to be a easy task to remove all the troops or to end a war that should never ever ever been started. With that being said I stand firm behind him and sincerely hope and pray that 2010 will be a better year for all us Americans. I also will say if Obama was not the president I personally feel no matter who got elected as our new president would be dealing with the same problems which were major that was left behind to deal with. Personally I wonder if ex President Bush was still the president what state would our country be in. Peace. Catherine
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Old 12-30-2009, 04:45 PM
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The thing is.......the problems were not all the fault of Bush, although he is the favorite fall guy. Things happen beyond anyone's control due to decisions made by many people. Obama is trying to control everyone, and that's not gonna work either.
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Bush was the president for the last 8 years so if Bush did not create all the problems who did???. That is the sad fact President Obama did inherit all the mess ex president Bush left behind and there is no way a miracle could happen and President Obama can fix everything 1-2-3 . peace. Catherine
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Bush was the president for the last 8 years so if Bush did not create all the problems who did???. That is the sad fact President Obama did inherit all the mess ex president Bush left behind and there is no way a miracle could happen and President Obama can fix everything 1-2-3 . peace. Catherine
I think the problems are like a snow ball....a little bit from here, a little bit from there. No one can blame it ALL on Bush, or any other president. I will say, I personally think that President O'bama has made it worse. He has added quite a bit to our debt, and some other problems.
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Yes, Catherine everything was Bush's fault because that's how much control one man has. The auto industry, the economy in Michigan, the housing collapse....all Bush's fault. lol

I mention Michigan because that's where I am and we've been under the leadership of a Dem Gov. for many years.......that's Bush's fault too...hehe
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To Allinaugust while I will say its not 100 percent Bushs mess, again he was in control, he was our president and he did start that war which billions of dollars have been wasted but so more important then that, if the sad lost of innocent lifes here and abroad. Again I will state no matter got elected into office as our new president things would be the same as far as spending and debt is concerned Bush practically succeeded and put our country in the worst financial debt in decades and that is the absolute truth. Again I sincerely hope and dearly pray that 2010 will be a better year for some many many millions of Americans who have suffered the cost and state of our country . Peace. Catherine
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Catherine, you have a very dogmatic style. Your absolute truth is another's not so absolute truth. There are many nuances to the reasons we are where we are..........
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The only thing I think can legitimately be pinned on Bush is the war, but that took the approval of the Democrat-controlled congress... And frankly, the terrorists.

Every president inherits crap. Bush inherited the collapse of the .com boom and a growing covert terrorist operation that had been messing with us for years in the form of a WTC bombing attempt, a naval tragedy, etc. Clinton had not properly assessed the threat known as OBL...and Bush got to deal with that 8 1/2 months into his first term.

Talk about an inheritance...
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Bush was the president for the last 8 years so if Bush did not create all the problems who did???. That is the sad fact President Obama did inherit all the mess ex president Bush left behind and there is no way a miracle could happen and President Obama can fix everything 1-2-3 . peace. Catherine
God help me but I'm going to defend Bush for a moment:

Bush inherited a spend, spend, spend mentality of the general populus. Economies and crash of economies take many years to happen.

I like Clinton. I think he was an ok President--but he did some of his own damage that Bush inherited.

It's a cumulative effect. And unfortunately, I don't have a lot of confidence in President Obama's ability to fix things--not in 4 years, or in 8. If he wants to fix things he better get cracking on it!
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Our government, lead by Bush at the time, responded to terrorist attacks on U.S. soil. Should we have just let that go? I don't want to stir the pot; I am legitimately interested. Knowing only what was known at the time, what should have been done differently?
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Our government, lead by Bush at the time, responded to terrorist attacks on U.S. soil. Should we have just let that go? I don't want to stir the pot; I am legitimately interested. Knowing only what was known at the time, what should have been done differently?
For starters, he shouldn't have started a war in a country that had nothing to do with the terrorist attack.
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Our government, lead by Bush at the time, responded to terrorist attacks on U.S. soil. Should we have just let that go? I don't want to stir the pot; I am legitimately interested. Knowing only what was known at the time, what should have been done differently?
I think we should have gone after Al Qaeda which was based predominantly in Afghanistan. I feel his going after Sadam was more of a personal thing sort of venging his father. I know he was a horrendous man however many countries around the world that threaten our security are led by horrendous rulers and we don't go after them. I also felt that since the Bush family profits financially from their interests in companies that manufacture products made for war that he was more gung ho about fighting a war to show he was "doing something" instead of taking the time to see who the real enemy is where they are located.
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The sad fact remains for all of us Americans whether we agree or disagree with whom caused the problems and to whom must take care of the problems facing our great nation, we should all come together as the wonderful country we are and pray and pray alot so that our country can heal and stand proud back on her feet.I sincerely hope we have seen the worse and perhaps just perhaps things will be so much better for all Americans one and all. Peace. Catherine
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This pretty much sums it up for me as well. We had NO good candidates for the last election. I was like, "this is the best our country has to offer?". Man, that's scary. I hope we had at least a decent option in 2012. I am no Bush supporter by any means but I didn't like Clinton either. I think every president takes on the crap from past presidents and some of the crap doesn't appear until after they are fully in term. What Obama has attempted to do thus far doesn't impress me in the least. In fact, it worries me.
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The sad fact remains for all of us Americans whether we agree or disagree with whom caused the problems and to whom must take care of the problems facing our great nation, we should all come together as the wonderful country we are and pray and pray alot so that our country can heal and stand proud back on her feet.I sincerely hope we have seen the worse and perhaps just perhaps things will be so much better for all Americans one and all. Peace. Catherine
I think I could handle it if Obama would decide to pray and pray a lot so that our wonderful country could stand proud back on her feet.

I'd much rather he be on his knees in prayer than standing at a podium pushing us to spend on health care and bailouts.
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Obama did nothing for Illinois, he'll do nothing for the country, but drag us further into the depths of dispair. All he did for Illinois was collect paycheck while he ran for president. He talks a good game and a lot of people fell for it.I agree we had no good choices for president last election. I just pray to God we can last until we can get his sorry butt out of there.
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As far as I am concerned, Obama is NOT my president. He is a joke-don't think that he can walk and chew gum at the same time. Poor guy-had to delay his vacation to Hawaii by a day so he could address the terrorist stuff. Now, when he gets back, he doesn't get to address the healthcare situation, once again, he gets to talk about the terroist stuff...Um-my country is paying you 24/7 to be the president. In the heat of all of this, why does he get a vacation? Yeah, yeah, give him a chance-he's only been in office for a year-b.s.-that's a quarter of his term! Do something already!
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Yes, Catherine everything was Bush's fault because that's how much control one man has. The auto industry, the economy in Michigan, the housing collapse....all Bush's fault. lol

I mention Michigan because that's where I am and we've been under the leadership of a Dem Gov. for many years.......that's Bush's fault too...hehe
Don't forget to blame Bush for Katrina and 911 too! My son and I have a joke that everything bad that has ever happened in history is all Bush's fault! Sadly, that seems to be how some people react.
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I think I could handle it if Obama would decide to pray and pray a lot so that our wonderful country could stand proud back on her feet.

I'd much rather he be on his knees in prayer than standing at a podium pushing us to spend on health care and bailouts.
As long as he's not praying with the Rev. Wrong!!!
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See? That just shows that some of us felt we didn't have a "good" choice---Bush wasn't President material(really), and I don't feel Obama is either. McCain would have been ok, except for Palin! I didn't want her finger that close to the trigger.....

A case of damned if you do and damned if you don't.
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I've watched Obama during his speeches about this latest terrorist attempt. He seems to have no passion, no determination, just a blank slate attempt at speaking to the American people. Just like he's reading from a script that means nothing to him.
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Haven't you ever gotten something you thought you really wanted, then you were disappointed when you got it!!?? That's Obama. Maybe he's rethinking this whole PResident thing, but there aren't any take-backs!
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Old 01-04-2010, 03:24 AM
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Did you all know that his "yes we can" phrase played backwards sounds like "thank you Satan"? It really does too! My son found it on some program online and you can say a phrase and it says it backwards. I know it doesn't mean anything but it's still rather creeepy.
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