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Old 01-01-2010, 03:03 PM
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Jazzabella?

I'm watching Judge Pirro and there's a couple that named their baby Jazzabella. Is it just me or is that a silly name? They call her Jazzy which is not too bad for a nickname but Jazzabella?
Why do people make up ridiculous names for their children? I know someone who named her son Dominique. We all told her this is a girl's name. Dominic or Dominico. She insisted on naming her son Dominique.

Don't even get me started on the names celebrities give their children. Once again a nickname is different you can call someone anything from Rocky to Bones to Cocoa to Jazzy but as far as their proper name that's a different story.
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I don't know why they do it. I see many names as a teacher, but really......I have gotten to the point in my life where I realize....it is none of my business and really nothing for me to try and figure out. Who am I to say what someone else should name their child?
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It's just a matter of curiosity to me. I'm not telling anyone what to name their child. I'm just wondering why the heck they would want to burden them with it. For example naming a boy a girl's name could lead to misery for the child.
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Old 01-01-2010, 03:39 PM
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As a substitute, it is SO hard to pronounce kids names right. The kids get mad when I mispronounce their names but some names sound like it looks, but then it's totally different. I give up. I just say it like I think it should be and wait for them to correct me.
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Old 01-01-2010, 04:22 PM
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As a substitute, it is SO hard to pronounce kids names right. The kids get mad when I mispronounce their names but some names sound like it looks, but then it's totally different. I give up. I just say it like I think it should be and wait for them to correct me.
Why don't you just ask them? That's what I do.
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Why don't you just ask them? That's what I do.
From reading her post, my understanding is that she pronounces things like they appear they should be pronounced, only to find out she had said it incorrectly.

I have a friend whose name is spelled 'Janet'. Why would anyone, upon seeing her name, ask her how to pronounce that name????

If, however, you pronounced it like you thought it should be said, you'd be saying it wrong. It's pronounced Juh-net.... as though it should have been spelled "Jannette".

I believe the poster you were querying finds herself in situations where she sees "Janet", reads it the obvious way never dreaming there would be an alternate pronunciation... and kids get mad when she didn't say it the 'right' way.
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Old 01-01-2010, 04:41 PM
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That is also how I understood it.
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From reading her post, my understanding is that she pronounces things like they appear they should be pronounced, only to find out she had said it incorrectly.

I have a friend whose name is spelled 'Janet'. Why would anyone, upon seeing her name, ask her how to pronounce that name????

If, however, you pronounced it like you thought it should be said, you'd be saying it wrong. It's pronounced Juh-net.... as though it should have been spelled "Jannette".

I believe the poster you were querying finds herself in situations where she sees "Janet", reads it the obvious way never dreaming there would be an alternate pronunciation... and kids get mad when she didn't say it the 'right' way.
Yes, I see what she meant....I was just saying, if it happens as often as she is saying, it would not hurt to ask each child their name. I have the kids on the carpet the first day and we go around the circle and have everyone say their name. That way, if there are any that do not sound like they look, I make a note on my roster(I write it like it sounds). It was just a thought!
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Old 01-01-2010, 05:50 PM
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Crazy names for these poor kids make me nuts too. Who the heck wants to go through life with the name Sparrow? or Coco? Apple? It also irritates me when people make up silly spellings for their kids names. Example: Kelly Kelley Kelli Kelleigh
Then you wonder why no one can figure out their name.
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Old 01-01-2010, 06:20 PM
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Yep I can't stand all the kooky names these days. What are parents thinking? Not about the child that's for sure.
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Old 01-01-2010, 06:57 PM
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I'm with you! I didn't want my son to have a popular name, but I certainly didn't want to make one up! I feel bad for them. Dumb as this sounds (and certainly not an issue in the big scheme of things), they are unlikely to find little souvenirs, pencils, ornaments, etc. with their names on them. My son's name is Trevor and I'm always happy when we find something with his name on it. He digs it.

I used to work with a lady who named her daughter Moniqualee. I don't care that she named her daughter that - just not something I would have done.
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Old 01-01-2010, 09:27 PM
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I don't think that high schoolers, or even middle schoolers, are going to want to sit on the carpet and say their names...lol, but thanks though. Yes, thank you wow. That is what I meant. As a sub, you don't have enough time to ask each student their name, especially when you only have a short period of time for each class. Yes, maybe if it were elem, I could do that. I also agree that people try and spell their kids names different just to be different.



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Yes, I see what she meant....I was just saying, if it happens as often as she is saying, it would not hurt to ask each child their name. I have the kids on the carpet the first day and we go around the circle and have everyone say their name. That way, if there are any that do not sound like they look, I make a note on my roster(I write it like it sounds). It was just a thought!
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Old 01-01-2010, 09:34 PM
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I don't think that high schoolers, or even middle schoolers, are going to want to sit on the carpet and say their names...lol, but thanks though. Yes, thank you wow. That is what I meant. As a sub, you don't have enough time to ask each student their name, especially when you only have a short period of time for each class. Yes, maybe if it were elem, I could do that. I also agree that people try and spell their kids names different just to be different.
Well, they don't have to sit on the carpet, but you could ask them each their name. It could be how you call roll, and would take no extra time,but don't put yourself out !It's hard to find a good sub any more....sigh
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Old 01-01-2010, 11:04 PM
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A few years back, I recall reading something about very unusual names; really the names that appear "made up". There was some sort of study done of these kids. The bottom line, school teachers treated the "very unusually named kids" differently, almost like they were unintelligent.
Not saying that is the case, but I guess one could see that there would be some sort of steroytype there.
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Well, they don't have to sit on the carpet, but you could ask them each their name. It could be how you call roll, and would take no extra time,but don't put yourself out !It's hard to find a good sub any more....sigh
WOW! That was really rude.
You don't know whether she's a good sub or not. Implying that she's not a good sub based on one thing, is just not nice and uncalled for.

I have a name that most people misspell--so I automatically just spell it for people. My maiden name was spelled exactly how it sounded and vice versa....but you'd be amazed at the people who either mispronounced it or misspelled it.

If parents are going to saddle their child w/ a "unique" name (either in spelling or pronounciation) then the parents should be patient and teach their child to be patient when/if someone mispronounces or misspells.
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Yeah, really uncalled for. Do you realize how much time it would take to ask each person his/her name, especially with 30 kids and inner city schools? Wow, I'd have to ask each person his/her name, because you never know how they are pronounced. So yes, guess that makes me a bad sub huh. Wow, you must be a great teacher then, because you have your students sit on carpet and ask their names!



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Well, they don't have to sit on the carpet, but you could ask them each their name. It could be how you call roll, and would take no extra time,but don't put yourself out !It's hard to find a good sub any more....sigh
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I'm watching Judge Pirro and there's a couple that named their baby Jazzabella. Is it just me or is that a silly name? They call her Jazzy which is not too bad for a nickname but Jazzabella?
Why do people make up ridiculous names for their children? I know someone who named her son Dominique. We all told her this is a girl's name. Dominic or Dominico. She insisted on naming her son Dominique.

Don't even get me started on the names celebrities give their children. Once again a nickname is different you can call someone anything from Rocky to Bones to Cocoa to Jazzy but as far as their proper name that's a different story.
Just today I was watching Cops and there was a little boy that was lost and his name was Dominique. I thought, that's kind of girly, wonder why they didn't name him Dominic?

I keep my weird names for my kids middle names for their first names I like different but not weird. I grew up Mindi, always had to spell it. So for my kids I picked easy to pronounce and spell. People do misspell and mispronounce Emaline. It's actually pronounced just like it's spelled Em-uh-line, everyone says Em-uh-leen. The others are easier. Kate,Kenneth,Max,Natalie,Jane,Clara and Eleanore. Don't ask their middle names
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I will add to the whole substitute discussion. I have been a sub for nine years at a local high school. I try my best when it comes to their names. Sometimes I get it right, sometimes I don't. It honestly isn't a big concern for me. Having to deal with teenagers all day, saying their names correctly isn't on the top of my list of things to stress about!
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I like unusual names. I'm a teacher and I don't see where kids with unusual names are treated differently. I also do my darnest to pronounce them right. One name that comes to mind is Ur. I never saw him made fun of or treated differently.
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Yeah, really uncalled for. Do you realize how much time it would take to ask each person his/her name, especially with 30 kids and inner city schools? Wow, I'd have to ask each person his/her name, because you never know how they are pronounced. So yes, guess that makes me a bad sub huh. Wow, you must be a great teacher then, because you have your students sit on carpet and ask their names!
That's what I was thinking. Wasn't sure if I was reading that right. Wow how rude.
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WOW! That was really rude.
You don't know whether she's a good sub or not. Implying that she's not a good sub based on one thing, is just not nice and uncalled for.

I have a name that most people misspell--so I automatically just spell it for people. My maiden name was spelled exactly how it sounded and vice versa....but you'd be amazed at the people who either mispronounced it or misspelled it.

If parents are going to saddle their child w/ a "unique" name (either in spelling or pronounciation) then the parents should be patient and teach their child to be patient when/if someone mispronounces or misspells.
I do know that is she will not bother to ask their names, and continue to call them the wrong names.....she is no sub I would want in my class! I hate when I get subs that are just there for the pay and will not be put out any. We get them a lot and we have a list of "bad subs" and good ones. So, yea......to ME that makes a bad one.
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Old 01-02-2010, 09:29 AM
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Yeah, really uncalled for. Do you realize how much time it would take to ask each person his/her name, especially with 30 kids and inner city schools? Wow, I'd have to ask each person his/her name, because you never know how they are pronounced. So yes, guess that makes me a bad sub huh. Wow, you must be a great teacher then, because you have your students sit on carpet and ask their names!
It takes no longer than you saying it the wrong way when you take attendance....instead of you messing it up, they could day it and you could check it off. You just seem like you don't want to bother, like the kids are not people to you, just kids with strange names....it is sad.

Yes, I am a good teacher.It's not because I sit them on the carpet and ask their names the first day, but because I treat them with respect all year long and I truly care about each one of them.
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Why don't you just stop now?? Your conclusions that somebody is a bad teacher based on this is just rude. We know what a wonderful teacher you are since you have told us often enough. If this continues, it will be another "site/sight" discussion. ***sigh**
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Why don't you just stop now?? Your conclusions that somebody is a bad teacher based on this is just rude. We know what a wonderful teacher you are since you have told us often enough. If this continues, it will be another "site/sight" discussion. ***sigh**
I will "stop" when I have nothing else to say....okay? I take pride in the fact that I respect all of my students and I wish all teachers would do so.
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I will "stop" when I have nothing else to say....okay? I take pride in the fact that I respect all of my students and I wish all teachers would do so.
Apparently repeating yourself counts as something to say.
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Apparently repeating yourself counts as something to say.
No, buy replying to your question "why don't you just stop?" does...
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a little OT but I saw Judge Pirro yeaterday also. The mom of Jazzabella is very cute and the guy (Jazzy's father) she was suing has 4 kids by ex-wife, spent time in jail for drunk driving and girlfriend was killed from accident he had while drunk so my question is why did Jazzy's mother get involved with man in the first place?!
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It takes no longer than you saying it the wrong way when you take attendance....instead of you messing it up, they could day it and you could check it off. You just seem like you don't want to bother, like the kids are not people to you, just kids with strange names....it is sad.

Yes, I am a good teacher.It's not because I sit them on the carpet and ask their names the first day, but because I treat them with respect all year long and I truly care about each one of them.

That's illogical and impractical.

I'm sure that if she mispronounces a name, she apologizes and corrects herself.

I'm assuming that she has approx. 55 min or less of class time. You have 30 kids. And since I'm sure they are not sitting in alphabetical order---you have to start w/ a random child, ask them to pronounce their name; and if their name is so unique, probably spell it. Then you have to find it in the attendance book. So, instead of going down the list, you're hunting for a name.
That's going to take more time than a sub has--assuming she/he actually wants to get to the lesson plan!

I have defended your position in the past, but this time, you're wrong. You were rude, and mean. And if you have to keep telling us what a good teacher you are; who are you trying o convince--us, or yourself?
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Somehow we got off course with this discussion. With that being said, one thing I do get from what groovygirl is saying is that some kids may take having their names pronounced wrong as a form of disrespect. It is important to respect the students, but it is equally important for the students to respect teachers. Sadly, many of the students have a huge problem with respect. Although I do my best with names, I am often far too busy with other issues to ask every student how to pronounce their name. Having been a sub for so long, I would hate to think I was put into a *good* or *bad* catagory, based on how I pronounced someones name!
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That's illogical and impractical.

I'm sure that if she mispronounces a name, she apologizes and corrects herself.

I'm assuming that she has approx. 55 min or less of class time. You have 30 kids. And since I'm sure they are not sitting in alphabetical order---you have to start w/ a random child, ask them to pronounce their name; and if their name is so unique, probably spell it. Then you have to find it in the attendance book. So, instead of going down the list, you're hunting for a name.
That's going to take more time than a sub has--assuming she/he actually wants to get to the lesson plan!

I have defended your position in the past, but this time, you're wrong. You were rude, and mean. And if you have to keep telling us what a good teacher you are; who are you trying o convince--us, or yourself?
Well....I assumed that she had to take attendance anyway....silly me! Really, it only takes a few minutes, if that. I actually thought that was the way most teachers did it, since that is what I always see. They even do that in my college classes, so I guess I just figured most did it that way. She sounded to me like she just did not want to be bothered.....I read it as....If I say it wrong and they get upset...oh, well!

It is fine that you do not agree, but I am not going to change what I think is right. As for "keep telling you"....I said it because she made a smart remark about me being a good teacher because I sit them on the carpet and ask their names.....I just said that is not what makes me a good teacher, but caring does.
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Somehow we got off course with this discussion. With that being said, one thing I do get from what groovygirl is saying is that some kids may take having their names pronounced wrong as a form of disrespect. It is important to respect the students, but it is equally important for the students to respect teachers. Sadly, many of the students have a huge problem with respect. Although I do my best with names, I am often far too busy with other issues to ask every student how to pronounce their name. Having been a sub for so long, I would hate to think I was put into a *good* or *bad* catagory, based on how I pronounced someones name!
No, I doubt you would be on our bad list! lol. It is clear that you actually do care and understand. We just get so many subs that want to just sit there and hand out papers...they care NOTHING about the kids and would not care one bit if they upset them.
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Personally, I think if someone has a name that is pronounced any way beyond what is written, they just need to learn to take a chill pill and not freak out if it is pronounced incorrectly by a teacher. Yes, even in kindergarten. To develop the mindset that it is 'disrespectful' for someone to mispronounce your unusually-spelled/pronounced name is to set oneself up for a lifetime of unnecessary agitation. Go home and yell at your parents for saddling you with a confusing moniker, not the sub for assuming she knew how to pronounce the name she sees spelled as "J-o-h-n"!

Seriously - is a sub supposed to start every 50 minute period saying, "Alright, now let's take attendance. The first name on the roll is spelled, "'R-o-b'. Will the person with that name raise his or her hand and tell me how to pronounce your name?"

She's a SUB for crying out loud. The kids will be out of her classroom before she can memorize all 30 names. She may encounter 150 or more students in the course of the day. She's not an elem. sub who will be with the kids all day long.
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Personally, I think if someone has a name that is pronounced any way beyond what is written, they just need to learn to take a chill pill and not freak out if it is pronounced incorrectly by a teacher. Yes, even in kindergarten. To develop the mindset that it is 'disrespectful' for someone to mispronounce your unusually-spelled/pronounced name is to set oneself up for a lifetime of unnecessary agitation. Go home and yell at your parents for saddling you with a confusing moniker, not the sub for assuming she knew how to pronounce the name she sees spelled as "J-o-h-n"!

Seriously - is a sub supposed to start every 50 minute period saying, "Alright, now let's take attendance. The first name on the roll is spelled, "'R-o-b'. Will the person with that name raise his or her hand and tell me how to pronounce your name?"

She's a SUB for crying out loud. The kids will be out of her classroom before she can memorize all 30 names. She may encounter 150 or more students in the course of the day. She's not an elem. sub who will be with the kids all day long.
Whatever....I stand by what I said. It is how "I" feel and all the ranting in the world will not change that. My kids would not "freak out" if it happened, but I still think showing anyone respect in making a small attempt to learn their names is not too much to ask from people.....even ones that are "only" subs!

And no,I did not mean like that. What I usually see is.....we will go down the rows and when it is your turn, please call out your name for attendance. Very simple, no need for the big ordeal you described.
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No, buy replying to your question "why don't you just stop?" does...

And she continues......"all that ranting"
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Whatever....I stand by what I said. It is how "I" feel and all the ranting in the world will not change that. My kids would not "freak out" if it happened, but I still think showing anyone respect in making a small attempt to learn their names is not too much to ask from people.....even ones that are "only" subs!

And no,I did not mean like that. What I usually see is.....we will go down the rows and when it is your turn, please call out your name for attendance. Very simple, no need for the big ordeal you described.
Seriously? If their name is so difficult to pronounce (not pronounced the way it's spelled) then how is a sub suppose to be able to find it in the attendance book? Heaven forbid they have oddly spelled/pronounced last name!

It's a whole lot more efficient to do roll call (go down the list), and if mispronounced, apologize, note it and move on.

I have to cold call people (get their claim and all I have is their printed name)---I cannot, nor will I attempt to find out how to pronounce their name prior to calling!

If the sub was in elementary school, I can see having "group" time to introduce themself, and have the kids introduce themselves to sub. Most likely the sub will be with them all day....
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Seriously? I can't wrap my mind around this.

You said it shows respect to 'make a small attempt to learn their names.' I agree.

However... a substitute who simply pulls out the grade book and starts to read down the roll to take attendance *is* doing that.

John? Present
Linda? Present
FaNita? Present
LaRissa? Present
Dondi? Dondi? Dondi? "It's Dan-day!, not Don-dee!".... "Oh, I'm sorry. Thanks for letting me know, Dan-day!"

.....

How is that any *less* an attempt than what you are asserting should be done? It's much more efficient, as marilyn said.
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And she continues......"all that ranting"
Yes...."she" does....lol talk about the pot....
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Seriously? I can't wrap my mind around this.

You said it shows respect to 'make a small attempt to learn their names.' I agree.

However... a substitute who simply pulls out the grade book and starts to read down the roll to take attendance *is* doing that.

John? Present
Linda? Present
FaNita? Present
LaRissa? Present
Dondi? Dondi? Dondi? "It's Dan-day!, not Don-dee!".... "Oh, I'm sorry. Thanks for letting me know, Dan-day!"

.....

How is that any *less* an attempt than what you are asserting should be done? It's much more efficient, as marilyn said.
Again.....I am not going to change the way I think about this. I see it done all the time and having each student say their name, even in college, works and it helps you get it right....IF you care to.

I had a student one year named Truc.....(true) If I had not asked, I would have called her truck. Her parents were not trying to be different(which if they were, is no big deal). She is Asian, and that is how they spell it.
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There you go again with your "IF you care to" attitude.

It is absolutely not 'uncaring' to simply read down the roll and let yourself be corrected if you say it incorrectly.

I'm sorry, but I seriously do not believe that you actually do yourself what you are asserting is the 'right' way to do it. If you are teaching kindergarten and you've got the kids all year you may do it on day one, but otherwise... sorry, I just don't believe you.

For the record.... pre-kids, I was a school teacher.
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There you go again with your "IF you care to" attitude.

It is absolutely not 'uncaring' to simply read down the roll and let yourself be corrected if you say it incorrectly.

I'm sorry, but I seriously do not believe that you actually do yourself what you are asserting is the 'right' way to do it. If you are teaching kindergarten and you've got the kids all year you may do it on day one, but otherwise... sorry, I just don't believe you.

For the record.... pre-kids, I was a school teacher.
Well, when I was doing all of my field work and worked with all grade levels, yes....I did just what I am saying. Maybe it is because I have always seen it done here, in college, when I was in school, etc.....I say If you care, because it seems that many people do not think it is important, so they do not care. I think it is and it is easy enough to do.
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Just because someone does something differently than you doesn't mean they are disrespectful or bad or wrong.
Seriously how can one person know how to pronounce every word that someone makes up? Not only are the names made up but the pronunciation of the made up words if also something made up. Sometimes the pronunciation of the not made up names is made up.

If a person names their child something "unique" and nobody ever, teachers, bosses, NOBODY, can ever pronounce it they are going to have that issue for their whole lives. They better get used to it and thank their parents.
I have read so many memoirs in my life that it's not even funny. Many people have had to learn to accept their names, a process that takes years of working through it often.

One good example is Keith Richards' daughter. He and Anita Pallenburg named her Dandelion. She hated it so much it was so ridiculous to deal with that as soon as she was of legal age she changed her name to Angela. And this was someone who never had to worry about money or people not knowing who she is.


I also think you're rude about this but it's not the first time.
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Just because someone does something differently than you doesn't mean they are disrespectful or bad or wrong.
Seriously how can one person know how to pronounce every word that someone makes up? Not only are the names made up but the pronunciation of the made up words if also something made up. Sometimes the pronunciation of the not made up names is made up.

If a person names their child something "unique" and nobody ever, teachers, bosses, NOBODY, can ever pronounce it they are going to have that issue for their whole lives. They better get used to it and thank their parents.
I have read so many memoirs in my life that it's not even funny. Many people have had to learn to accept their names, a process that takes years of working through it often.

One good example is Keith Richards' daughter. He and Anita Pallenburg named her Dandelion. She hated it so much it was so ridiculous to deal with that as soon as she was of legal age she changed her name to Angela. And this was someone who never had to worry about money or people not knowing who she is.


I also think you're rude about this but it's not the first time.
How can they know? By asking....I already said that. As you thinking I am being rude....You are entitled to think so....just as I am entitled to think that you are mentally unstable. So, you gonna sue me now? now, THAT was me being rude!!
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I still do not believe you.

On this board, being 'respectful' and 'caring' about the feelings/perceptions of others is something you are pretty proud of *NOT* doing....

So why would it stand to reason that you arrange your school day around that life philosophy?
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How can they know? By asking....I already said that. As you thinking I am being rude....You are entitled to think so....just as I am entitled to think that you are mentally unstable. So, you gonna sue me now? now, THAT was me being rude!!

Very funny. Hilarious. I am no more mentally unstable than you are. Just ask the guy who comes around with the pills and the keys.

I find it hard to believe you treat your students with respect when you are so disrespectful of anyone who disagrees with you. And for the record since I have not addressed it that person accused me of having another screen name on this board. That is libel.

Just to enlighten you "teacher" this is the definition of libel

# a false and malicious publication printed for the purpose of defaming a living person
# print slanderous statements against; "The newspaper was accused of libeling him"

When that creature who goes around insulting people and talking $h!t printed on this site that I have another screen name she knew it was false as I don't and never did. The only reason she did it was to cast aspersions on me. Just because I became upset about someone making up lies about me and overreacted a little doesn't mean I am mentally unstable. And the fact that the creature printed if for everyone to see instead of dealing directly with me shows who the mentally unstable one is.
Make up a lie, print it for the simple reason of calling someone who is honest and speaks her mind a liar. I am not ashamed of my opinions, beliefs, etc. I have NO reason to make up an alter ego to post things on this board.

You on the other hand are rude and disrespectful. And possibly mentally unstable as you've indicated you have several children by different fathers and don't feel there is anything unusual about that. Ask you children's therapists in a few years if it affected them while they were growing up.
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I just remembered something that happened to my DH in college. As part of his work-study job he was working the registration line. A fellow student walked up... a student my husband knew, but he couldn't recall his name.

DH said, "I can't remember - how is it you spell your name?", thinking that was an easy cover for not remembering.

The guy looked at DH with a confused look and said, "D-a-n...?"

DH, trying to cover yet again, said, "Oh, I'm sorry - your last name. How is it you spell your LAST name?"

Another perplexed look. "S-m-i-t-h....?"

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I still do not believe you.

On this board, being 'respectful' and 'caring' about the feelings/perceptions of others is something you are pretty proud of *NOT* doing....

So why would it stand to reason that you arrange your school day around that life philosophy?
Honestly...I do not care if you believe me. I know how I treat my students. The people that I am not always polite to here are adults that have said something to cause it. This place is not my classroom. This is not my job, this is not my passion....children are!! I volunteer for CASA and I will ALWAYS respect every child. Always! It is what I live for.
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Very funny. Hilarious. I am no more mentally unstable than you are. Just ask the guy who comes around with the pills and the keys.
Whatever you think.......I take it you have been "put away" before? Gosh, I might be sued now for sure, huh?
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Yes...."she" does....lol talk about the pot....

If you want to. There is NO pot bigger or blacker or ruder than you. As someone said, who are you trying to convince that you are a superior teacher whose methods are the only correct ones? This is done repeatedly, in all different threads. : Just sad.
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If you want to. There is NO pot bigger or blacker or ruder than you. As someone said, who are you trying to convince that you are a superior teacher whose methods are the only correct ones? This is done repeatedly, in all different threads. : Just sad.
You really worry about me and follow me, huh? That is sad.....I have a good image of you in my head now. No life type....lol I never said I was superior, I just said I care.....that takes no effort and makes me a good teacher, not superior. If you think caring and respecting makes a superior teacher.....THAT is what is sad!
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You really worry about me and follow me, huh? That is sad.....I have a good image of you in my head now. No life type....lol I never said I was superior, I just said I care.....that takes no effort and makes me a good teacher, not superior. If you think caring and respecting makes a superior teacher.....THAT is what is sad!

Nobody is following you she is simply reading the threads in the forum and sees your posts. Paranoia in one of the clues that you are mentally unstable. That and the whole my children have different fathers and it doesn't affect them. And the fact that you think you are right when everyone else in the world is wrong.

I have never been locked up but I do watch tv once in while.

I feel sorry for your children, both the ones that you supposedly respect and teach and the ones you convceived with whatever man was around at the time.
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Nobody is following you she is simply reading the threads in the forum and sees your posts. Paranoia in one of the clues that you are mentally unstable. That and the whole my children have different fathers and it doesn't affect them. And the fact that you think you are right when everyone else in the world is wrong.

I have never been locked up but I do watch tv once in while.

I feel sorry for your children, both the ones that you supposedly respect and teach and the ones you convceived with whatever man was around at the time.
Nice try....send me a pm and threaten me, why don't you. BTW....I said I never married the men, not that I was not in a stable relationship with them. You can't be that dumb that you can't see the difference...well, maybe you can. You are nuts, girl, and there are MANY reasons I say this....not just the crazy PM you sent someone.
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You really worry about me and follow me, huh? That is sad.....I have a good image of you in my head now. No life type...
Whatever is a "No life type"? Someone who disagrees with you?? Someone who is amazed that you are so right about everything when you are so apparently wrong ?? Someone who cannot believe how rude you are when you are called on being wrong?? Someone who would NEVER want her child in your classroom when you are so inflexible and arrogant??

I don't worry about YOU...I worry about those poor children who are in your clutches too many hours per day
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Generally speaking a person is who they are no matter where they are. It's hard for people to believe that you'd treat anyone any differently than you treat people here. What if one of the poor children should disagree with you?
Or do you have two distinctly separate personas? One that is nice and respectful that you use when around people who can see you and call you on your bull**** and one that you use when you're on a message board insulting people? That is called Dissociative identity disorder and yest it's a mental illness.

It's teachers like you that give them all a bad name.
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I work for a company of over 2000 people. Every quarter we have a company-wide meeting. The CEO introduces all the people who have been hired during the previous quarter. We have people from all over the world: India, China, Japan, Germany, Italy, France, and so on - so some of the names are not easy for a native English speaker to pronounce. He learns how to correctly pronounce everyone's name prior to the meeting. I think that's pretty cool and definitely a sign of respect.
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I work for a company of over 2000 people. Every quarter we have a company-wide meeting. The CEO introduces all the people who have been hired during the previous quarter. We have people from all over the world: India, China, Japan, Germany, Italy, France, and so on - so some of the names are not easy for a native English speaker to pronounce. He learns how to correctly pronounce everyone's name prior to the meeting. I think that's pretty cool and definitely a sign of respect.
That is wonderful! We also have a variety of backgrounds here, maybe that is why it has just always been done that way.
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I work for a company of over 2000 people. Every quarter we have a company-wide meeting. The CEO introduces all the people who have been hired during the previous quarter. We have people from all over the world: India, China, Japan, Germany, Italy, France, and so on - so some of the names are not easy for a native English speaker to pronounce. He learns how to correctly pronounce everyone's name prior to the meeting. I think that's pretty cool and definitely a sign of respect.
Agreed.... it is important for someone to know the names of his or her employees.

However, I don't see how this relates to what groovy seems to think is 'right' and 'wrong' in this discussion.

Something tells me your CEO doesn't make all 2000 employees stand and say their own names just so he/she can learn them.

And something tells me if he/she hires a "John Smith" he/she does not bother to hunt that person down and say, "I want to make sure I am pronouncing your name correctly. Exactly how do I say this?" and point to the guy's timecard.
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That is wonderful! We also have a variety of backgrounds here, maybe that is why it has just always been done that way.
Is that code for, "...maybe that is why we are so superior"?
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Generally speaking a person is who they are no matter where they are. It's hard for people to believe that you'd treat anyone any differently than you treat people here. What if one of the poor children should disagree with you?
Or do you have two distinctly separate personas? One that is nice and respectful that you use when around people who can see you and call you on your bull**** and one that you use when you're on a message board insulting people? That is called Dissociative identity disorder and yest it's a mental illness.

It's teachers like you that give them all a bad name.
Okay, doc....lol. You really have no idea!! I don't feel some here deserve my respect, but every child does. Matter of fact, my parents all respect me and I do the same with them.
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No....fat, lazy and nothing to do all day but follow me and worry about something you have no clue about. You have NEVER seen how I am with my students, yet you assume you know. I fight for these kids and my CASA kids every day.
What are you talking about your crazy thing...and you are utterly NUTS. Of course I have a clue about you....I see your rantings here and your refusal to EVER admit that your are wrong.

If I am fat and lazy with nothing to do, what about you?? Don't you have lesson plans to do with school starting tomorrow?? I know when I TAUGHT SCHOOL for 31+ years, I did not have time to be defending myself on a message board
( not that I EVER needed to). I am retired now and have a rich full life with my husband and my family, but thanks for asking.
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Is that code for, "...maybe that is why we are so superior"?
sure, why not! Actually, I do not speak in codes. It is what it is. In this location, where I live, things are done that way and maybe it is because the students come from many different backgrounds and we want to respect their culture, thus the way they spell/pronounce their names. Wow!
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No....fat, lazy and nothing to do all day but follow me and worry about something you have no clue about. You have NEVER seen how I am with my students, yet you assume you know. I fight for these kids and my CASA kids every day.
well, you did the same thing when you implied someone was a bad sub because they didn't do it the way you think it should be done.

I really thought you were just misunderstood. But, now, I'm beginning to believe that you may just be an angry, resentfult, hateful woman.
If you can behave in a caring and professional manner with children, then why can't you do that here? And if you can't, perhaps, you need to take a break and re-evaluate "things".

I can say, the only times I was like you was when my life was in disarray. Now that it's getting back together I realize what a horribly miserable poster I was.
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What are you talking about your crazy thing...and you are utterly NUTS. Of course I have a clue about you....I see your rantings here and your refusal to EVER admit that your are wrong.

If I am fat and lazy with nothing to do, what about you?? Don't you have lesson plans to do with school starting tomorrow?? I know when I TAUGHT SCHOOL for 31+ years, I did not have time to be defending myself on a message board
( not that I EVER needed to). I am retired now and have a rich full life with my husband and my family, but thanks for asking.
I said you have never seen me with my students.....(can ya read?). I knew you had no life...lol I don't have to write lesson plans, but thanks for asking. The grade level chair writes them. Also, my kids don't come back until 1/11, but again, thinks for the concern!
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Poor thing she doesn't even have the perspective to go back and read the posts to see why everyone has formed this opinion of her. All she can do is keep insulting each person who tries to point something out to her. Some people just can't and won't admit that they may have been wrong or out of line. It's scary to think someone so inflexible and so insulting is shaping young minds.

At this point I feel pity but I also feel fear for the children under her control.
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I said you have never seen me with my students.....(can ya read?). I knew you had no life...lol I don't have to write lesson plans, but thanks for asking. The grade level chair writes them. Also, my kids don't come back until 1/11, but again, thinks for the concern!

This explains so much.....while you may be an accredited teacher, you don't actually do anything other than supervise the children and do what your told. You are nothing more than a well-educated babysitter.

(I don't think this is true of teachers who actually TEACH--you know who you are!)
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well, you did the same thing when you implied someone was a bad sub because they didn't do it the way you think it should be done.

I really thought you were just misunderstood. But, now, I'm beginning to believe that you may just be an angry, resentfult, hateful woman.
If you can behave in a caring and professional manner with children, then why can't you do that here? And if you can't, perhaps, you need to take a break and re-evaluate "things".

I can say, the only times I was like you was when my life was in disarray. Now that it's getting back together I realize what a horribly miserable poster I was.
Playing armchair psychologist here, I don't really see the angry thing.

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This explains so much.....while you may be an accredited teacher, you don't actually do anything other than supervise the children and do what your told. You are nothing more than a well-educated babysitter.

(I don't think this is true of teachers who actually TEACH--you know who you are!)
HUH? That is the system at our school.....she writes the plans(what will be taught that week, ex. letter N, blending cvc words, etc.) I decide how to teach each skill and I teach it. The writing part is very basic and just a formality.....after a few years, you know what comes next and what works, so you don't really need it on paper.How is that babysitting? I used to think you were a smart girl, but now I wonder.....
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Playing armchair psychologist here, I don't really see the angry thing.

I do, however, see a narcissist with delusions of grandeur.
yes, you're probably right---some sort of personality disorder like narcissism would probably be accurate.
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Poor thing she doesn't even have the perspective to go back and read the posts to see why everyone has formed this opinion of her. All she can do is keep insulting each person who tries to point something out to her. Some people just can't and won't admit that they may have been wrong or out of line. It's scary to think someone so inflexible and so insulting is shaping young minds.

At this point I feel pity but I also feel fear for the children under her control.
everyone? not quite, dear! What 2 people, maybe 3? That is far from everyone and I have not insulted anyone that did not do so first....it was you and one other that I was rude to. Maybe YOU should go read again...
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This explains so much.....while you may be an accredited teacher, you don't actually do anything other than supervise the children and do what your told. You are nothing more than a well-educated babysitter.

(I don't think this is true of teachers who actually TEACH--you know who you are!)
Uhmm... where did you come up with the 'well-educated' part?
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groovy, do I remember correctly that you were/are 'teaching' but not certificated because of Katrina?
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