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I don't know why they do it. I see many names as a teacher, but really......I have gotten to the point in my life where I realize....it is none of my business and really nothing for me to try and figure out. Who am I to say what someone else should name their child?
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It's just a matter of curiosity to me. I'm not telling anyone what to name their child. I'm just wondering why the heck they would want to burden them with it. For example naming a boy a girl's name could lead to misery for the child.
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As a substitute, it is SO hard to pronounce kids names right. The kids get mad when I mispronounce their names but some names sound like it looks, but then it's totally different. I give up. I just say it like I think it should be and wait for them to correct me.
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| Why don't you just ask them? That's what I do.
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| From reading her post, my understanding is that she pronounces things like they appear they should be pronounced, only to find out she had said it incorrectly. I have a friend whose name is spelled 'Janet'. Why would anyone, upon seeing her name, ask her how to pronounce that name???? If, however, you pronounced it like you thought it should be said, you'd be saying it wrong. It's pronounced Juh-net.... as though it should have been spelled "Jannette". I believe the poster you were querying finds herself in situations where she sees "Janet", reads it the obvious way never dreaming there would be an alternate pronunciation... and kids get mad when she didn't say it the 'right' way. |
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Crazy names for these poor kids make me nuts too. Who the heck wants to go through life with the name Sparrow? or Coco? Apple? It also irritates me when people make up silly spellings for their kids names. Example: Kelly Kelley Kelli Kelleigh Then you wonder why no one can figure out their name.
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I'm with you! I didn't want my son to have a popular name, but I certainly didn't want to make one up! I feel bad for them. Dumb as this sounds (and certainly not an issue in the big scheme of things), they are unlikely to find little souvenirs, pencils, ornaments, etc. with their names on them. My son's name is Trevor and I'm always happy when we find something with his name on it. He digs it. ![]() I used to work with a lady who named her daughter Moniqualee. I don't care that she named her daughter that - just not something I would have done.
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I don't think that high schoolers, or even middle schoolers, are going to want to sit on the carpet and say their names...lol, but thanks though. Yes, thank you wow. That is what I meant. As a sub, you don't have enough time to ask each student their name, especially when you only have a short period of time for each class. Yes, maybe if it were elem, I could do that. I also agree that people try and spell their kids names different just to be different. Quote:
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A few years back, I recall reading something about very unusual names; really the names that appear "made up". There was some sort of study done of these kids. The bottom line, school teachers treated the "very unusually named kids" differently, almost like they were unintelligent. Not saying that is the case, but I guess one could see that there would be some sort of steroytype there.
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You don't know whether she's a good sub or not. Implying that she's not a good sub based on one thing, is just not nice and uncalled for. I have a name that most people misspell--so I automatically just spell it for people. My maiden name was spelled exactly how it sounded and vice versa....but you'd be amazed at the people who either mispronounced it or misspelled it. If parents are going to saddle their child w/ a "unique" name (either in spelling or pronounciation) then the parents should be patient and teach their child to be patient when/if someone mispronounces or misspells.
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Yeah, really uncalled for. Do you realize how much time it would take to ask each person his/her name, especially with 30 kids and inner city schools? Wow, I'd have to ask each person his/her name, because you never know how they are pronounced. So yes, guess that makes me a bad sub huh. Wow, you must be a great teacher then, because you have your students sit on carpet and ask their names! |
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I keep my weird names for my kids middle names for their first names I like different but not weird. I grew up Mindi, always had to spell it. So for my kids I picked easy to pronounce and spell. People do misspell and mispronounce Emaline. It's actually pronounced just like it's spelled Em-uh-line, everyone says Em-uh-leen. The others are easier. Kate,Kenneth,Max,Natalie,Jane,Clara and Eleanore. Don't ask their middle names
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I will add to the whole substitute discussion. I have been a sub for nine years at a local high school. I try my best when it comes to their names. Sometimes I get it right, sometimes I don't. It honestly isn't a big concern for me. Having to deal with teenagers all day, saying their names correctly isn't on the top of my list of things to stress about!
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I like unusual names. I'm a teacher and I don't see where kids with unusual names are treated differently. I also do my darnest to pronounce them right. One name that comes to mind is Ur. I never saw him made fun of or treated differently.
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Yes, I am a good teacher.It's not because I sit them on the carpet and ask their names the first day, but because I treat them with respect all year long and I truly care about each one of them.
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Why don't you just stop now?? Your conclusions that somebody is a bad teacher based on this is just rude. We know what a wonderful teacher you are since you have told us often enough. If this continues, it will be another "site/sight" discussion. ***sigh**
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| I will "stop" when I have nothing else to say....okay? I take pride in the fact that I respect all of my students and I wish all teachers would do so.
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| Apparently repeating yourself counts as something to say.
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| No, buy replying to your question "why don't you just stop?" does...
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a little OT but I saw Judge Pirro yeaterday also. The mom of Jazzabella is very cute and the guy (Jazzy's father) she was suing has 4 kids by ex-wife, spent time in jail for drunk driving and girlfriend was killed from accident he had while drunk so my question is why did Jazzy's mother get involved with man in the first place?!
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That's illogical and impractical. I'm sure that if she mispronounces a name, she apologizes and corrects herself. I'm assuming that she has approx. 55 min or less of class time. You have 30 kids. And since I'm sure they are not sitting in alphabetical order---you have to start w/ a random child, ask them to pronounce their name; and if their name is so unique, probably spell it. Then you have to find it in the attendance book. So, instead of going down the list, you're hunting for a name. That's going to take more time than a sub has--assuming she/he actually wants to get to the lesson plan! I have defended your position in the past, but this time, you're wrong. You were rude, and mean. And if you have to keep telling us what a good teacher you are; who are you trying o convince--us, or yourself?
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Somehow we got off course with this discussion. With that being said, one thing I do get from what groovygirl is saying is that some kids may take having their names pronounced wrong as a form of disrespect. It is important to respect the students, but it is equally important for the students to respect teachers. Sadly, many of the students have a huge problem with respect. Although I do my best with names, I am often far too busy with other issues to ask every student how to pronounce their name. Having been a sub for so long, I would hate to think I was put into a *good* or *bad* catagory, based on how I pronounced someones name!
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It is fine that you do not agree, but I am not going to change what I think is right. As for "keep telling you"....I said it because she made a smart remark about me being a good teacher because I sit them on the carpet and ask their names.....I just said that is not what makes me a good teacher, but caring does.
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Personally, I think if someone has a name that is pronounced any way beyond what is written, they just need to learn to take a chill pill and not freak out if it is pronounced incorrectly by a teacher. Yes, even in kindergarten. To develop the mindset that it is 'disrespectful' for someone to mispronounce your unusually-spelled/pronounced name is to set oneself up for a lifetime of unnecessary agitation. Go home and yell at your parents for saddling you with a confusing moniker, not the sub for assuming she knew how to pronounce the name she sees spelled as "J-o-h-n"! Seriously - is a sub supposed to start every 50 minute period saying, "Alright, now let's take attendance. The first name on the roll is spelled, "'R-o-b'. Will the person with that name raise his or her hand and tell me how to pronounce your name?" She's a SUB for crying out loud. The kids will be out of her classroom before she can memorize all 30 names. She may encounter 150 or more students in the course of the day. She's not an elem. sub who will be with the kids all day long. |
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And no,I did not mean like that. What I usually see is.....we will go down the rows and when it is your turn, please call out your name for attendance. Very simple, no need for the big ordeal you described.
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And she continues......"all that ranting"
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It's a whole lot more efficient to do roll call (go down the list), and if mispronounced, apologize, note it and move on. I have to cold call people (get their claim and all I have is their printed name)---I cannot, nor will I attempt to find out how to pronounce their name prior to calling! If the sub was in elementary school, I can see having "group" time to introduce themself, and have the kids introduce themselves to sub. Most likely the sub will be with them all day....
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Seriously? I can't wrap my mind around this. You said it shows respect to 'make a small attempt to learn their names.' I agree. However... a substitute who simply pulls out the grade book and starts to read down the roll to take attendance *is* doing that. John? Present Linda? Present FaNita? Present LaRissa? Present Dondi? Dondi? Dondi? "It's Dan-day!, not Don-dee!".... "Oh, I'm sorry. Thanks for letting me know, Dan-day!" ..... How is that any *less* an attempt than what you are asserting should be done? It's much more efficient, as marilyn said. |
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| Yes...."she" does....lol talk about the pot....
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I had a student one year named Truc.....(true) If I had not asked, I would have called her truck. Her parents were not trying to be different(which if they were, is no big deal). She is Asian, and that is how they spell it.
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There you go again with your "IF you care to" attitude. It is absolutely not 'uncaring' to simply read down the roll and let yourself be corrected if you say it incorrectly. I'm sorry, but I seriously do not believe that you actually do yourself what you are asserting is the 'right' way to do it. If you are teaching kindergarten and you've got the kids all year you may do it on day one, but otherwise... sorry, I just don't believe you. For the record.... pre-kids, I was a school teacher. |
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Just because someone does something differently than you doesn't mean they are disrespectful or bad or wrong. Seriously how can one person know how to pronounce every word that someone makes up? Not only are the names made up but the pronunciation of the made up words if also something made up. Sometimes the pronunciation of the not made up names is made up. If a person names their child something "unique" and nobody ever, teachers, bosses, NOBODY, can ever pronounce it they are going to have that issue for their whole lives. They better get used to it and thank their parents. I have read so many memoirs in my life that it's not even funny. Many people have had to learn to accept their names, a process that takes years of working through it often. One good example is Keith Richards' daughter. He and Anita Pallenburg named her Dandelion. She hated it so much it was so ridiculous to deal with that as soon as she was of legal age she changed her name to Angela. And this was someone who never had to worry about money or people not knowing who she is. I also think you're rude about this but it's not the first time.
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I still do not believe you. On this board, being 'respectful' and 'caring' about the feelings/perceptions of others is something you are pretty proud of *NOT* doing.... So why would it stand to reason that you arrange your school day around that life philosophy? |
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Very funny. Hilarious. I am no more mentally unstable than you are. Just ask the guy who comes around with the pills and the keys. I find it hard to believe you treat your students with respect when you are so disrespectful of anyone who disagrees with you. And for the record since I have not addressed it that person accused me of having another screen name on this board. That is libel. Just to enlighten you "teacher" this is the definition of libel # a false and malicious publication printed for the purpose of defaming a living person # print slanderous statements against; "The newspaper was accused of libeling him" When that creature who goes around insulting people and talking $h!t printed on this site that I have another screen name she knew it was false as I don't and never did. The only reason she did it was to cast aspersions on me. Just because I became upset about someone making up lies about me and overreacted a little doesn't mean I am mentally unstable. And the fact that the creature printed if for everyone to see instead of dealing directly with me shows who the mentally unstable one is. Make up a lie, print it for the simple reason of calling someone who is honest and speaks her mind a liar. I am not ashamed of my opinions, beliefs, etc. I have NO reason to make up an alter ego to post things on this board. You on the other hand are rude and disrespectful. And possibly mentally unstable as you've indicated you have several children by different fathers and don't feel there is anything unusual about that. Ask you children's therapists in a few years if it affected them while they were growing up.
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I just remembered something that happened to my DH in college. As part of his work-study job he was working the registration line. A fellow student walked up... a student my husband knew, but he couldn't recall his name. DH said, "I can't remember - how is it you spell your name?", thinking that was an easy cover for not remembering. The guy looked at DH with a confused look and said, "D-a-n...?" DH, trying to cover yet again, said, "Oh, I'm sorry - your last name. How is it you spell your LAST name?" Another perplexed look. "S-m-i-t-h....?" lol |
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| Whatever you think.......I take it you have been "put away" before? Gosh, I might be sued now for sure, huh?
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| If you want to. There is NO pot bigger or blacker or ruder than you. As someone said, who are you trying to convince that you are a superior teacher whose methods are the only correct ones? This is done repeatedly, in all different threads. : Just sad.
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| You really worry about me and follow me, huh? That is sad.....I have a good image of you in my head now. No life type....lol I never said I was superior, I just said I care.....that takes no effort and makes me a good teacher, not superior. If you think caring and respecting makes a superior teacher.....THAT is what is sad!
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Nobody is following you she is simply reading the threads in the forum and sees your posts. Paranoia in one of the clues that you are mentally unstable. That and the whole my children have different fathers and it doesn't affect them. And the fact that you think you are right when everyone else in the world is wrong. I have never been locked up but I do watch tv once in while. I feel sorry for your children, both the ones that you supposedly respect and teach and the ones you convceived with whatever man was around at the time.
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I don't worry about YOU...I worry about those poor children who are in your clutches too many hours per day
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Generally speaking a person is who they are no matter where they are. It's hard for people to believe that you'd treat anyone any differently than you treat people here. What if one of the poor children should disagree with you? Or do you have two distinctly separate personas? One that is nice and respectful that you use when around people who can see you and call you on your bull**** and one that you use when you're on a message board insulting people? That is called Dissociative identity disorder and yest it's a mental illness. It's teachers like you that give them all a bad name.
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I work for a company of over 2000 people. Every quarter we have a company-wide meeting. The CEO introduces all the people who have been hired during the previous quarter. We have people from all over the world: India, China, Japan, Germany, Italy, France, and so on - so some of the names are not easy for a native English speaker to pronounce. He learns how to correctly pronounce everyone's name prior to the meeting. I think that's pretty cool and definitely a sign of respect.
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However, I don't see how this relates to what groovy seems to think is 'right' and 'wrong' in this discussion. Something tells me your CEO doesn't make all 2000 employees stand and say their own names just so he/she can learn them. And something tells me if he/she hires a "John Smith" he/she does not bother to hunt that person down and say, "I want to make sure I am pronouncing your name correctly. Exactly how do I say this?" and point to the guy's timecard. |
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If I am fat and lazy with nothing to do, what about you?? Don't you have lesson plans to do with school starting tomorrow?? I know when I TAUGHT SCHOOL for 31+ years, I did not have time to be defending myself on a message board ( not that I EVER needed to). I am retired now and have a rich full life with my husband and my family, but thanks for asking.
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| sure, why not! Actually, I do not speak in codes. It is what it is. In this location, where I live, things are done that way and maybe it is because the students come from many different backgrounds and we want to respect their culture, thus the way they spell/pronounce their names. Wow!
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I really thought you were just misunderstood. But, now, I'm beginning to believe that you may just be an angry, resentfult, hateful woman. If you can behave in a caring and professional manner with children, then why can't you do that here? And if you can't, perhaps, you need to take a break and re-evaluate "things". I can say, the only times I was like you was when my life was in disarray. Now that it's getting back together I realize what a horribly miserable poster I was.
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Poor thing she doesn't even have the perspective to go back and read the posts to see why everyone has formed this opinion of her. All she can do is keep insulting each person who tries to point something out to her. Some people just can't and won't admit that they may have been wrong or out of line. It's scary to think someone so inflexible and so insulting is shaping young minds. At this point I feel pity but I also feel fear for the children under her control.
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This explains so much.....while you may be an accredited teacher, you don't actually do anything other than supervise the children and do what your told. You are nothing more than a well-educated babysitter. (I don't think this is true of teachers who actually TEACH--you know who you are! )
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I do, however, see a narcissist with delusions of grandeur. |
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