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Old 01-29-2010, 04:19 PM
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Question Death Penalty Question

DH has been summoned to jury duty on a death penalty case.

I always thought I was in support of the death penalty, but, his being called has really got me thinking.

Could you sentence someone to Death if they were found guilty in a trial?
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Old 01-29-2010, 04:23 PM
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DH has been summoned to jury duty on a death penalty case.

I always thought I was in support of the death penalty, but, his being called has really got me thinking.

Could you sentence someone to Death if they were found guilty in a trial?
yep....I could. But, I was under the impression that the jury only determines guilt or innocence, the judge sentences.

Could I find a person guilty and their punishment was death? If they were guilty (as determined by the evidence).
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Old 01-29-2010, 04:35 PM
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yep....I could. But, I was under the impression that the jury only determines guilt or innocence, the judge sentences.

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Yes, that's what I meant. Could you find someone guilty KNOWING the punishment was/could be death. Thanks for clarifying.....it's been a loooooonnnnnnggggggggg week
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If I had the power to sentence someone to death, I'd assume it would have been for a crime such as murder.
I could not do it.To sentence someone to death would make me just as guilty as the murderer whom I would be sentencing to death.Then who would put me to death?That really isn't fair for them to commit murder and be put to death and yet I commit murder and get away with it with no sentence.As much as I like saying I'd like to see someone tortured for committing the most violent horrible crimes unimaginable,when it came down to do it,I could only kill someone if it was truly in self defence.
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Absolutely I could...if there was indisputable evidence that they murdered someone...you better bet I'd give them the death penalty. Only problem is they have to eat and breath for probably 20 years before they are finally executed which is totally ridiculous!
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Old 01-29-2010, 05:52 PM
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Old 01-29-2010, 06:18 PM
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Old 01-29-2010, 06:57 PM
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No I don't think I could. Well, now I'm not sure because it's the judge that sentences the person not the jury. I would never recommend it though if I was on a jury. If I was ever called up for a death penalty case I would ask my priest what the Catholic stance is for being on a death penalty jury.

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Old 01-29-2010, 10:40 PM
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No I find the death penalty hypocritical. "We're killing you, which is just. for killing someone else". It doesn't make sense to me.
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Old 01-29-2010, 10:42 PM
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No I find the death penalty hypocritical. "We're killing you, which is just. for killing someone else". It doesn't make sense to me.
But abortion's ok? That I don't understand. The death penalty person at least has a judge and jury and appeals up the wazoo before an execution actually takes place. And usually the convicted person has done something horrible.
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Old 01-29-2010, 10:52 PM
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I will say it once more. I would never have an abortion. I am not pro abortion. I am pro choice. Everyone has the right to decide what is right for their own body. If it were a perfect world I would be anti choice but it's not.
And the justice system is horribly biased against certain types of people. I can see why people are for the death penalty and I can see why people are against abortion.

It's how I feel and I'm not saying I'm righter than anyone else. I am saying a woman should have a choice about her own body.
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If there were insurmountable evidence (like a confession on the stand, or tape recording of the act) of a heinous crime I suppose I could. My problem with the death penalty has nothing to do with believing horrible, evil people deserve to live. My problem is that there's been many cases of death row inmates later found innocent. That the majority of DR inmates are poor or minorities, I have to wonder if they really got a quality defense. And lets not forget that it often costs more to keep an inmate on the death row than life in prison.
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If the evidence proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that the person was guilty then I would have no problem with it.
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No because death is too easy, it is the easy way out , I rather the person spend the rest of his or her life locked up 24/7 no visitors and no contact that to be is far more suffering then death way too easy. Also while we are someone still discussing abortions here in the case of a rape victum, the moms health is in danger or the unborn fetus has a serious medical condition and will not survive then yes an abortion should be done. While I totally feel no one should dictate what we do with our bodies other then the reasons I mentioned above, for me it comes down to its not just the womens body, its 2 living bodies and that unborn has no say in the matter and for that reason alone I am all for prolife 100 percent of the way. Now I am not talking about the Duggars where they have way too many children for my taste, there are so many other options before performing a abortion, there are so many childless couples who would love to open up their hearts and homes to a baby. To be that is a much better way then abortion. Peace. Catherine
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Also while we are someone still discussing abortions here in the case of a rape victum, the moms health is in danger or the unborn fetus has a serious medical condition and will not survive then yes an abortion should be done.
I don't usually get into this types of discussions, but Catherine, I sincerely hope you meant something along the lines of "should be an option" rather than "should be done".

That being said, I am pro-life but would not judge someone who felt she "had" to have an abortion. I used to be pro-death penalty, but find that I'm struggling with it lately. Now, I'm undecided.

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No because death is too easy, it is the easy way out , I rather the person spend the rest of his or her life locked up 24/7 no visitors and no contact that to be is far more suffering then death way too easy.
I would rather pay (tax money pays for this kind of thing) to end a death row life than pay to have them live for 30-40 years while they are "suffering". I just don't think that too many folks on death row are suffering (think Charles Manson who is obviously not suffering or saddened by anything he did). I know that if I were one of the families of a victim, I wouldn't want the murderer sitting on death row "suffering". I would want it over so my healing process could begin.
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Also while we are someone still discussing abortions here

NO, we are NOT still discussing abortion. That thread was CLOSED. Please feel free to start a new one if you like. This thread is about the death penalty in a trial case.
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My problem is that there's been many cases of death row inmates later found innocent.
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"I rather the person spend the rest of his or her life locked up 24/7 no visitors and no contact that to be is far more suffering then death way too easy." Ill, Are you that naive?? They have visitors, can get married, get college educations, see their family grow up and three hots and a cot at NO COST TO THEM!! If you beleive they live in a cage with no outside contact you are truly naive..
I could do it in a heartbeat if the evidence was there!!
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I am curious how you know he is being called for a death penalty case? when you get called for jury duty you don't know what the case is about until juror questioning begins. If he has already been selected as a juror, he shouldn't be talking about the case.
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What would worry me is what if the friends or family of the person convicted to death were also crazies.What if they went on a mad rampage after the guy was covicted to death and decided to blame it on the jury members and went and blew up their house or something.
I know I watch too many movies , ...but ya never know!
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I am curious how you know he is being called for a death penalty case? when you get called for jury duty you don't know what the case is about until juror questioning begins. If he has already been selected as a juror, he shouldn't be talking about the case.
He was not selected, so is free to discuss whatever.

He gets picked for jury duty annually, but, never gets to serve. You'd think they could flag his name or something. Every time it's the same thing, but, I guess they have to go thru the process.
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Honestly if he was picked and mentioned that it is a death penalty case, i dont think that is too big of a deal...
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What would worry me is what if the friends or family of the person convicted to death were also crazies.What if they went on a mad rampage after the guy was covicted to death and decided to blame it on the jury members and went and blew up their house or something.
I know I watch too many movies , ...but ya never know!
I'm with you Dolly. lol I worry about stuff like this too!
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What would worry me is what if the friends or family of the person convicted to death were also crazies.What if they went on a mad rampage after the guy was covicted to death and decided to blame it on the jury members and went and blew up their house or something.
I know I watch too many movies , ...but ya never know!
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AiA if you back you will see that Annadrose was talking about Abortions so what is the big deal I just added my two cents worth on the subject since this was some discussions on abortion in this thread perhaps you should go back . Also to your question I do not want to start another thread about abortion, I have stated my personal views on the subject and honestly enough is enough about the topic I feel everyone here knows how we all feel. Peace. Catherine
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To Dannic I am not that naive as I stated I would like to see the prisoner be locked up 24/7 no visitors no communication, no television, just rot away in their cell with themselves all day. I know this does not happen, but perhaps I should have been more clear on what I was trying to say, again to me death is the easy way out for sure. Peace. Catherine
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OH PUUULEEEEEEZ!!!!!!!!!!! Yeah, heck that happens all the time...NOT!
It may not happen all the time but it only matters to me if it happens once. I know it's a long shot but hey I have thought about stuff like this. And like Dolly said it comes from watching too many movies and reading too many crime stories.
It's also a long shot that my home will be robbed or I'll be the victim of a home invasion but I still think about it when I read about it happening to other people and although I don't dwell on it I take the proper precautions to prevent it from happening to me. I think when people take steps to make themselves feel safer it empowers them. Like me with my bear spray. It's unlikely I'll be carjacked or robbed in a parking lot but it has happened to people in my area and just having that in my hand when I leave a store at night makes me feel more confident and in control.

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, I have stated my personal views on the subject and honestly enough is enough about the topic I feel everyone here knows how we all feel. Peace. Catherine
Contradicting yourself again....... If the above had any relevance at all, you would not have posted. You state enough is enough and yet here you are. You feel everyone knows how we all feel and yet here you are. You try to tell her what to do - which you consistently do.

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It may not happen all the time but it only matters to me if it happens once. I know it's a long shot but hey I have thought about stuff like this. And like Dolly said it comes from watching too many movies and reading too many crime stories.
It's also a long shot that my home will be robbed or I'll be the victim of a home invasion but I still think about it when I read about it happening to other people and although I don't dwell on it I take the proper precautions to prevent it from happening to me. I think when people take steps to make themselves feel safer it empowers them. Like me with my bear spray. It's unlikely I'll be carjacked or robbed in a parking lot but it has happened to people in my area and just having that in my hand when I leave a store at night makes me feel more confident and in control.

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Locking your doors and being aware of your surroundings isn't paranoia it's being careful. I guess people have different experiences. If you worked at a school and someone you worked with was worried about a school shooting you might think they were paranoid but on May 21, 1998 I was working in a classroom at Thurston High School as a substitute TA and that's exactly what happened. I am sure my experience has a lot to do with why I'm a little more concerned about things than most people

You pack your lunch you get dressed and go to work you don't expect something like this to happen but believe me it does. I was there it changed me and I will never be the same person I was before this happened. One of my acquaintances lost her fiancee that day and one of my former next door neighbors had medical issues for years because of this.

Call me paranoid if you want but I guarantee you when I'm in a new building I know where all the exits are and where to go or hide if something happens. It's ingrained in me now.
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Locking your doors and being aware of your surroundings isn't paranoia it's being careful. I guess people have different experiences. If you worked at a school and someone you worked with was worried about a school shooting you might think they were paranoid but on May 21, 1998 I was working in a classroom at Thurston High School as a substitute TA and that's exactly what happened. I am sure my experience has a lot to do with why I'm a little more concerned about things than most people

You pack your lunch you get dressed and go to work you don't expect something like this to happen but believe me it does. I was there it changed me and I will never be the same person I was before this happened. One of my acquaintances lost her fiancee that day and one of my former next door neighbors had medical issues for years because of this.

Call me paranoid if you want but I guarantee you when I'm in a new building I know where all the exits are and where to go or hide if something happens. It's ingrained in me now.
Not giving someone the death penalty because you think someone will come and blow your freakin' house up is PARANOID! All that other stuff you wrote has nothing to do with anything in this thread!
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alt 14 or alt 13...hold down the alt key(keep holding down) and on your key pad hit 1(release) then 4(release) or 1 then 3...♫♪ You don't hold down the 1 and 4 at the same time but you do continue to hold down the alt key. I had one person I was trying to explain this do and she never could figure it out...haha!
While my 'puter skills are virtually nonexistent, I did try and it doesn't work for me. Very cool, though, this is the first time I've seen that. I am going to try doing it in an email and see what happens. You explained very clearly - thanks

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While my 'puter skills are virtually nonexistent, I did try and it doesn't work for me. Very cool, though, this is the first time I've seen that. I am going to try doing it in an email and see what happens. You explained very clearly - thanks

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"You pack your lunch you get dressed and go to work you don't expect something like this to happen but believe me it does. I was there it changed me and I will never be the same person I was before this happened. One of my acquaintances lost her fiancee that day and one of my former next door neighbors had medical issues for years because of this.

Call me paranoid if you want but I guarantee you when I'm in a new building I know where all the exits are and where to go or hide if something happens. It's ingrained in me now."
and this has to do with the death penalty how?? Call me crazy but I am missing the link...
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"You pack your lunch you get dressed and go to work you don't expect something like this to happen but believe me it does. I was there it changed me and I will never be the same person I was before this happened. One of my acquaintances lost her fiancee that day and one of my former next door neighbors had medical issues for years because of this.

Call me paranoid if you want but I guarantee you when I'm in a new building I know where all the exits are and where to go or hide if something happens. It's ingrained in me now."
and this has to do with the death penalty how?? Call me crazy but I am missing the link...
I was just trying to explain why someone might be more careful than others when she said paranoia. It has nothing more to do with the death penalty than asking how to make the music signs.
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Locking your doors and being aware of your surroundings isn't paranoia it's being careful. I guess people have different experiences. If you worked at a school and someone you worked with was worried about a school shooting you might think they were paranoid but on May 21, 1998 I was working in a classroom at Thurston High School as a substitute TA and that's exactly what happened. I am sure my experience has a lot to do with why I'm a little more concerned about things than most people

You pack your lunch you get dressed and go to work you don't expect something like this to happen but believe me it does. I was there it changed me and I will never be the same person I was before this happened. One of my acquaintances lost her fiancee that day and one of my former next door neighbors had medical issues for years because of this.

Call me paranoid if you want but I guarantee you when I'm in a new building I know where all the exits are and where to go or hide if something happens. It's ingrained in me now.
Actually as I was growing up in the 60's and early 70's my mom always told me to check out exits in buildings I go into, etc... It's a good idea. She was ahead of her time in teaching us to be proactive and protect ourselves. Nothing paranoid about being cautious, especially in this day and age.

Bad things happen all the time so you just never know......
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Contradicting yourself again....... If the above had any relevance at all, you would not have posted. You state enough is enough and yet here you are. You feel everyone knows how we all feel and yet here you are. You try to tell her what to do - which you consistently do.

Obviously you don't mean a lick of what you type.

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WHO CARES???? If you don't like her posts, just ignore them. You are only playing into it.......
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Thanks so much Kts for your comments back to Deddlastt and with the whole abortion issues I am with you 100 percent. Peace. Catherine
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To annadrose you can never ever be too careful especially in todays times I agree with you and dollydeal . Peace. Catherine
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Apparently it costs more to carry out the death penalty than to carry out a lifelong prison term. This was in today's Parade magazine.

Debating the Cost of Capital Punishment | Parade.com
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"But ultimately, he says, the economic argument misses the point. “People value justice for its own sake, aside from issues of deterrence and economics,” he says. “Would you have Timothy McVeigh grinning at you from his jail cell his entire life the way Charles Manson has?” "
I agree with this line.... I think it totally misses the point when you debate money with justice...
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