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Old 05-26-2010, 08:39 AM
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Vaughn Ward, Teabagger & Obama Plagiarist

http://www.buzzfeed.com/rickyftw/tea...bamarsquo-19ta

What a stellar, stand-up guy.
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Old 05-26-2010, 09:22 AM
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Oh my Gosh! His speech writer needs to go into another profession.
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Old 05-26-2010, 10:07 AM
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His speech writer either does need another profession, or he needs to be more aware of what his speech writers are up to! I bet the poor guy didn't have a clue...he does now!!!!
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Old 05-26-2010, 01:09 PM
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Even if you want to finger-point at Ward's speechwriter, you can't dismiss the fact that Ward agrees with Obama and thought Obama's speech was inspiring.

Ward must be a socialist. I want to see his birth certificate.
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Old 05-26-2010, 06:37 PM
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http://www.newser.com/story/19389/cl...lagiarist.html

Clinton Camp Calls Obama Plagiarist
He says same of her, but admits he 'should have' credited lines

(Newser) – Hillary Clinton accused Barack Obama of plagiarism today over a speech he gave two nights ago, the Swamp blog reports. Obama retaliated by hitting Hillary with five instances of her robbing his words, including "Yes, we can" and "Bring this country together." But the Illinois senator later admitted to lifting phrases from a 2006 speech by Massachusetts Gov. Deval Patrick.

In that speech, Patrick defended rhetoric by asking whether famous lines like "We have a dream" were "just words"; Obama asked the same in his speech Saturday. Patrick absolved Obama by saying that the "point is more important than whose argument it is." Patrick let him use the words, Obama said, but he admitted that he "should have" given the governor credit.
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Old 05-26-2010, 07:08 PM
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True, none of them should have plagiarized each other. Being from MA, it was pretty obvious that Patrick was helping Obama by providing him with a lot of his (Patrick's) winning strategies.

They're all from the same party. I find it astounding that a Teabagger would plagiarize a "liberal democrat." LOL!
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True, none of them should have plagiarized each other. Being from MA, it was pretty obvious that Patrick was helping Obama by providing him with a lot of his (Patrick's) winning strategies.

They're all from the same party. I find it astounding that a Teabagger would plagiarize a "liberal democrat." LOL!
You're original post knocked him for being a plagarist and had nothing to do with party affiliation

you said "What a stellar, stand-up guy. "

I guess you have the same feelings for Obama the plagarist.
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Old 05-27-2010, 08:13 AM
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I find it astounding that a Teabagger............
And I find it astounding -- and extremely offensive -- that you would use that derogatory term in a post here
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Old 05-27-2010, 08:30 AM
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You're original post knocked him for being a plagarist and had nothing to do with party affiliation

you said "What a stellar, stand-up guy. "

I guess you have the same feelings for Obama the plagarist.
There's a difference between stealing catch-phrases and stealing an entire speech. And, as previously posted, I don't condone plagiarism from anyone. Frankly, I do think all politicians are a little slimy. Yes, even Obama. But the teabaggers are the slimiest in my opinion.
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Old 05-27-2010, 08:53 AM
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There's a difference between stealing catch-phrases and stealing an entire speech. And, as previously posted, I don't condone plagiarism from anyone. Frankly, I do think all politicians are a little slimy. Yes, even Obama. But the teabaggers are the slimiest in my opinion.
No there isn't stealing is stealing -- if plagarism isn't condoned then the "teabagger" and obama are equally slimey.
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Old 05-27-2010, 09:41 AM
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The Tea Party members slimy??? That's funny.
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Old 05-27-2010, 12:35 PM
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No there isn't stealing is stealing -- if plagarism isn't condoned then the "teabagger" and obama are equally slimey.
So, shoplifting a toy from Target's dollar bin and stealing a car are the same thing?

Slapping someone on the hand and punching someone are the same thing?


That's always a problem with conservatives. Everything is black or white.
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Old 05-27-2010, 12:36 PM
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You're original post knocked him for being a plagarist and had nothing to do with party affiliation
Where's the rule stating that a poster has to express all thoughts on a subject in the first post?
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So, shoplifting a toy from Target's dollar bin and stealing a car are the same thing?

Slapping someone on the hand and punching someone are the same thing?


That's always a problem with conservatives. Everything is black or white.
Lol no but STEALING SOMEONES WORDS and STEALING SOMEONES WORDS are the same thing - if you can't see that well it explains a lot lol

to give an example you might be able to understand

stealing a toy from target and stealing a toy from walmart -- same thing

slapping someone on the right hand and slapping someone else on their left hand -- same thing

do you understand now?
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Where's the rule stating that a poster has to express all thoughts on a subject in the first post?
there is no rule stating that, but if you want to have an intelligent conversation don't keep trying to change your point of focus it just makes you look foolish.
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Old 05-27-2010, 05:38 PM
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Lol no but STEALING SOMEONES WORDS and STEALING SOMEONES WORDS are the same thing - if you can't see that well it explains a lot lol

to give an example you might be able to understand

stealing a toy from target and stealing a toy from walmart -- same thing

slapping someone on the right hand and slapping someone else on their left hand -- same thing

do you understand now?
There's nothing to understand. Stealing someone's catch phrase and stealing someone's speech are not the same thing.
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Old 05-27-2010, 05:39 PM
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there is no rule stating that, but if you want to have an intelligent conversation don't keep trying to change your point of focus it just makes you look foolish.
Unlike conservatives, intelligent conversation evolves.
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There's nothing to understand. Stealing someone's catch phrase and stealing someone's speech are not the same thing.
There is something to understand -- you just are unable to do so.

Plagarism is plagarism it either makes you a bad person or it doesn't.
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Unlike conservatives, intelligent conversation evolves.
Intelligent conversation does evolve as facts are presented, but it looks foolish when facts are presented and you twist your original views to fit around them.

Had this been an intelligent conversation you would have taken your foot out of your mouth when it was shown obama plagarized as well not shoved it deeper down your throat.

You also would be able to throw out different facts on the subject not the same "oh typical conservative" bs

That's the difference.
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Old 05-27-2010, 08:36 PM
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Intelligent conversation does evolve as facts are presented, but it looks foolish when facts are presented and you twist your original views to fit around them.

Had this been an intelligent conversation you would have taken your foot out of your mouth when it was shown obama plagarized as well not shoved it deeper down your throat.

You also would be able to throw out different facts on the subject not the same "oh typical conservative" bs

That's the difference.
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I did say that Obama was also wrong. It's a matter of degree, which you do not want to admit. Clearly, you think I'm full of it and I think the same of you.
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Old 05-27-2010, 09:26 PM
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I did say that Obama was also wrong. It's a matter of degree, which you do not want to admit. Clearly, you think I'm full of it and I think the same of you.
You originally judged the man's character on the fact that he plagarized but won't judge obama by the same standard -- there is no such thing as plagarizing a little, you either plagarized or you didn't. That isn't something I have to admit to, it's just plain truth. Clearly by your standards obama is not a stellar stand up guy which you won't admit to.

What could I possibly be full of ? facts? -- that's fine with me.
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Old 05-27-2010, 10:46 PM
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There is something to understand -- you just are unable to do so.

Plagarism is plagarism it either makes you a bad person or it doesn't.

So, let's say a woman steal a loaf of bread and a gallon of milk to feed her kids---does that make her a bad person?

Let's say that same woman steals your wedding ring so she can hock it for meth---does that make her a bad person?

To further the analogy of "stealing is stealing": No, by the letter of the law, stealing is not stealing---hence the difference between misdemeanor theft and felony theft.

borrowing a phrase vs. borrowing a whole speech? Which is worse?
If President Obama wants to accuse someone of stealing a phrase---he did it w/ the whole "Yes, We can". As my children will tell you: Bob the Builder said that one first!
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So, let's say a woman steal a loaf of bread and a gallon of milk to feed her kids---does that make her a bad person?

Let's say that same woman steals your wedding ring so she can hock it for meth---does that make her a bad person?

To further the analogy of "stealing is stealing": No, by the letter of the law, stealing is not stealing---hence the difference between misdemeanor theft and felony theft.

borrowing a phrase vs. borrowing a whole speech? Which is worse?
If President Obama wants to accuse someone of stealing a phrase---he did it w/ the whole "Yes, We can". As my children will tell you: Bob the Builder said that one first!
Did obama steal his words to feed his family? was his stealing more honorbale for some reason? or was it just stealing?

To the letter of the law there is no degree of plagiarism, you either did plagriarize or you did not.
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Wow! And I was wondering whether everyone on here had taken "happy" pills lately. It's good to see you all back in rare form. Thanks for the chuckles.
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