After seeing this episode of Governor Ventura's show I will not be drinking bottled water anymore only sink water and even that is suspect.

YouTube - Jesse Ventura Conspiracy Theory - Great Lakes Part 1 of 6

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I haven't watched the video, but I've never understood the whole bottled water craze in a country where we make all the tap water drinking quality. A lot of bottles indicate that the source is PWS - which stands for Public Water Supply. Doh!

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- Stephen Colbert.

I didn't watch the video, but will say I've never understood people PAYING for bottled water - it seemed like the "in" thing just to carry it around and have it in your hand for so many. Those bottles have been carried to many functions inappropriately, but like the cell phone, it's all about "me".

Marketing at it's finest. Get people to pay for something that's free and of good quality to boot. Let's not even talk about the plastic waste.

dl

Our tap water does not taste good to me. It is loaded with chlorine and I gag on it. I pay for my water, with my own money and will continue to do so. It is cheap and not nasty, like the tap water.

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I rarely pay for water.

It's convenient and probably creates about the same amount of waste as a Solo or styro cup, which would be the alternative for me... but without needing to lug a water jug insulated cooler thingamajig anywhere.

It's cheaper than a bottle of pop, particularly if you buy the store brands. They freeze nicely and can be the 'ice' in a cooler on a long trip, minus the wet mess.

But for general beverage consumption, no way, no how. My tap tastes just fine!

Well for us personally we love as a family fiji water and have drank this water for years. Since I am a huge coupon user I get coupons all the time from ebay. The current ones I use is 35/1 off one small bottle and here we have triples so it comes to 14 cents a bottle. I will admit however even without the coupons we as a family will continue to drink this delicious water and will never change. To anyone who would tell me it tastes the same as my tap water, no way. Catherine

We have Brita filter pitcher. I can't bring myself to buy water just because of the waste of the bottle. Yeah I know they can be recycled but you know the majority of people aren't recycling them. I'm not going to add to it.
I also have a stainless steel refillable bottle I use, and I get the water out of my Brita Pitcher.

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We also have the Brita water as well, but still drink alot of the fiji water. As far as recycle goes I agree 100 percent and have been doing so for what seems like forever, sadly wish more people would recycle as well. Catherine

Probably a reverse osmosis filter on your tap water would be cheaper (and definitely greener) in the long run.

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- Stephen Colbert.

Another of the many reasons why I am not on the "bottled water" train:

Fiji Water Playing Chicken With Fiji [Updated] | Fast Company


Fiji Water has long been embroiled in controversy on the island of Fiji, where the company has held exclusive access to a massive aquifer for nearly 20 years--all the while barring the water-starved Fijians from tapping it for their own use. Up until now, Fiji Water has paid an "extraction tax" of just one-third of a cent per liter. But now the Fijian government has upped the ante by charging 15 cents per liter for companies (read: Fiji Water) that extract over 3.5 million liters of water a month. As a result, Fiji Water plans to leave the island--or so the company claims.


I wonder what "secrets" the other companies hold.......

Couldn't agree with you more. Most people do not recycle those little plastic bottles and the waste is more than we could possible imagine. I wish compaines would charge us 5 cents per bottle, and make us recycle them to get our deposit back. I know there are a few states that do this, but not enough.
I will drink tap water, but also fill up mt 5 gallon container at the store.

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The whole thing about it is that feminizing uranium and lithium have been found in bottled water. Whether you pay for water or not you should watch the episode. This is 1 of 6. It's worth watching. I always thought sink water was "dirty" and buying bottled water provided jobs. I bought by the gallon Crystal Geyser Mountain Spring Water for $1 a gallon. But after hearing the investigation I will not be doing so anymore.

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we buy Niagara and love it. My ice is actually clear

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I watch that show and found the water episode especially disturbing. Besides chemicals leaching out of the plastic, there's the litter concern. The general consensus is that a plastic water bottle will take more than 500 years to degrade!

As for the buying up the water rights, well that almost seems too horrible to be true. Sort of like what the Nazi's did in Europe during WWII.

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I guess you don't live in Orlando Florida:
If bottler taxes us, let's tax bottled water - Orlando Sentinel

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If this is going to be a Christian nation that doesn't help the poor, either we have to pretend that Jesus was just as selfish as we are, or we've got to acknowledge that He commanded us to love the poor and serve the needy without condition, and then admit that we just don't want to do it.

- Stephen Colbert.

Niagara Bottling provides bottled water from a number of municipal (tap water) and privately owned (well and natural spring) water sources in the United States.

So, you're probably paying a premium for purified tap water - at least some of it.

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If this is going to be a Christian nation that doesn't help the poor, either we have to pretend that Jesus was just as selfish as we are, or we've got to acknowledge that He commanded us to love the poor and serve the needy without condition, and then admit that we just don't want to do it.

- Stephen Colbert.

Any water that says "bottled from a municipal source" means it's tap water. I always bought "pure mountain spring water" thinking I was doing myself a favor.

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Do they filter "pure mountain spring water"?

Not trying to be gross... but I've fished the streams of the Rockies... which means the trout we caught had been, um... eliminating in that water.

I remember being aware that people drink it straight out of the stream, but I just wasn't quite sure about it, even though it looked crystal clear! lol

Well I was trusting that it was from a clear drinking spring which I understand is filtered by rocks in certain places but yes I've also been around some "pure" mountain water that was nasty. The Crystal Geyser I was drinking was from the source of the Sacramento river way up in the mountains before it hits civilization. I only know this because I've been to the source myself. (although I have no idea where the bottling plant is located.)

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ehhh it's fine with me No floaties in my cups with this ice. I will take it for $4.xx for a 5 gallon jug.

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I agree. I remember talking people out of their bottles when I was small to take in for refunds. I think we need to go back to that on all beverage containers, whether plastic, aluminum, or glass. We, luckily, have good tasting tap water here in the St. Louis area, so our bottled water use is limited to once in a great while during the summer. And the bottles get recycled always and often refilled and used over before being recycled.

For people whose water tastes of chlorine, I think that letting that water sit for some time will allow the chlorine gas to evaporate. That should make it taste better. I don't remember how long it needs to sit. We used to do that many years ago to get the water ready for our fish tanks.

We have a good recycling set up here and it makes it very easy for anyone willing to use it. All it requires is putting the recycled items in a separate toter. That toter gets emptied on Mondays, trash toter on Tuesdays. No sorting needed. There are very few items they don't take for recycling so our recycling tote is often more full than the regular toter.

But I would still like to see a deposit required. That gives incentives for people to make sure they do the right thing. It provides incentive for people to pick them up off the roadways, can be a fund raiser for groups, and as mentioned an addition to a kid's allowance.

I am not going to wait for chlorine to evaporate from my water. I drink way too much. Anyway, I like the bottled water and I want to drink it.

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Do you at least recycle the bottles??

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marilynk, I have found that those that think like groovygirl thinks about a multitude of topics would not take the time out to think about recycling or others in general. I am tired of reading that I am going to do what I want about things no matter how they may hurt others. Rolling eyes!

well, yeah, I think that too!
I do try to give people the benefit of the doubt or the opportunity to defend themselves.

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Same here BUT time & again I have been proven correct on my thinking about things. Maybe I will be proven wrong this time, marilynk! Ya think?

Ladies you are not even giving GG a chance to answer your question, that is not very nice nor fair. Also as I have spoken before on the sujbect I love drinking fiji water we all do as a family and in answer to your question we recycle everything and anything, that is the right thing to do, but please for sake of argument kindly let GG answer before you assume anything about what she does, thanks so much. Blessings in this holiday season. Catherine

Oh, I doubt it....
No matter how often I'm disappointed in people and their behaviour...I hold out abiding hope that I will someday be pleasantly surprised.

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Well, I have been proven correct on one thing that I just knew would happen with our conversation! ;O)

And Catherine, I suppose that you did not take the time out to read the article about Fiji water & what they have been doing to the people of Fiji?? I am not a bottled water drinker BUT after reading that article, I would NEVER spend money on their products. Think about how you would feel if the government here started allowing the same thing that has been happening in Fiji?? How peaceful & good will would that be for everyone?

Catherine---SHUT THE HELL UP! For God's sake....

We were commenting in generalities. I swear, you just can't leave me alone. Every time I post, you have to come post right after me. I have not commented to you or about you or even in your general direction for some time now.

If I know anything about groovygirl--she is entirely capable of speaking for and defending herself. If she wants to tell me to shut up--I can handle it! If she wants to blast me that's fine--but none of this was directed to you, until you brought it on yourself. I swear you can't live without drama...

Now--cry about how mean I am to you, how I pick on you, how I'm a bitch (like that's a bad thing. LOL), how I'm angry and bitter. Please! I live for your passive-aggressive whining, pissing and moaning!

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Marilyn even in the holiday season you still find time to be the same mean spirited person you are, how lovely, and btw I have every right as you do to answer into any post I want too and comment where I choose and your wrong to assume GG is not into recycling, your speaking for her and making fun and causing still more trouble. which again proves my point you cannot be a nice person ever. To littlejo they have said many things about many bottled water companies and yes I will still drink fiji water because we truly enjoy it very much and what does peace have to do with that????????. Catherine

Edited to say it was littlewolf not littlejo sorry. Catherine

And, Catherine, you have proven me correct on what I stated earlier about the way some think about things. No matter that it may be harmful to others, one continues to do things that harms others. And they are not just "saying" that about Fiji water!! It is what they have actually been doing for a long time. Ah, BUT you that spouts "peace" at the drop of a hat should know that any country is NOT going to be a peaceful one IF the people cannot get what they need to take care of themselves.

And as Marilyn stated, we were speaking in general terms & YOU decided to stick your opinion in the middle of everything! And you did not like it that we were "speaking" for Groovygirl BUT you are trying to do the very same thing!

Oh, and PLEASE go back & edit your post as to WHOM you are speaking to about things because littlejo has had nothing to do with this conversation NOR should she be brought into it by YOU!

You read more into mine and littlewolf's exchange. You're the one who thrives on stirring up trouble. Groovy aside, I'm often disappointed in people's nature/behaviours--but I continue to hold out hope that I will be pleasantly surprised one of these days.

Some people "enjoy" diamonds from Africa--but I sure as hell wouldn't want that blood on my hands!
Just because you enjoy the water doesn't mean that it is eco-friendly, or sustainable or good for society!

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I always thought soo.

There is more than one mean women hear.

Many points are being proved twonight !

dl

First you ladies must seriously go back and read your posts, you were both speaking for GG and poking fun as usual but coming from the source and I mean Marilyn I am not surprised at all, as far as correcting myself for saying I said it was littlejo and I did mean to say littlewolf I did that already. littlewolf so please take note. Again just like you said Marilyn you can speak for someone so can I , I also have that right . For the record Marilyn I too have stayed away from your comments, but felt like you did I wanted to add my 2 cents into this post and I did so live with it. Finally how lovely and oh how I could have predicted that Deddlastt would come right under Marilyn could have seen that blindfolded, you ladies never change and only bring negativity and mean-spriited comments to the board, it is so nice when your not around truly it is. I will wait for one more person to come her name starts with a S and ends with a z lets see if she takes the bait, because birds of a feather flock together. It must be lovely to be apart of such a mean spirited , make fun of people group, you truly find joy and will continue and never stop. However as always I have the right to say something only I am nice and it is so much better being a nice person unlike you certain ladies...........Catherine

If you have to declare that you are "nice"--one has to wonder how much truth there is to that.

You assumed that we were speaking for or about groovygirl. You saw your opportunity to jump in and stir up trouble.

I have never told any one on this board that it's better without them. This board, as with many internet boards, reflects many different personalities, thoughts, beliefs, etc. I can learn from others, usually.

I just find it incredibly ironic that you CHOSE my posts to comment on...I find it incredibly hypocritical as well.
You make an obscene amount of assumptions about people. And you have no clue. None whatsoever--and since I don't have to prove my worth to you or anyone here, I'll just say this: I am who I am. I sleep well at night, I wake up and like the person I see in the mirror. Whether you like me, approve of me, etc. does not phase me one bit.

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Oh, dear Catherine, you are the last person the needs to tell me to take note of anything! You can go to your actual post & edit your words BUT I guess you will not take the time out of your "peace" time to do that.

And I am delighted that you can read my mind & knew exactly what I meant by my post! However, you have proven me correct on my thoughts about things & the predictable way that people act about things. I am not being mean spirited at all BUT I am tired of the woe is me attitude by YOU on here. You put your two cents in where it is not needed & then get upset because you are called on it!

Like one of my dear friends in real life likes to say: Put On Your Big Girl Panties And Get Over It.

I did read a very interesting article - an interview done on NPR, actually - about the Fiji water issue.

I'm no NPR fan, but found the piece pretty interesting.

It's a real quandary. 53% of the citizens of Fiji don't have access to clean and safe water.

They have some of the best water in the world, and it's not available to the majority of their people because a very wealthy American couple who owns the company can get even wealthier by selling the water to Americans, who DO have access to plenty of clean and safe water.

When Fiji's government said, "Look, you legitimately own the right to the wells that tap our aquifer, and you employ a boatload of our people and we appreciate it, but we're going to have to raise the tax you pay per bottle from 1/3 of a cent per bottle to 15 cents per bottle."

That's a tax 45X MORE than they currently pay.

FORTY FIVE TIMES more. Not a 45% increase... but 45 TIMES more than the original amount.

For people who have jobs at the Fiji bottling place, it's a great industry. They have a lot of opportunity.

For the rest of the citizens of Fiji who don't have that opportunity, well... it's just ironic that more Americans can get their hands on a bottle of safe water from Fiji than poor citizens of Fiji.

Here's what's weird about this situation to me...

The typical liberal response is that "the rich" need to pay more in taxes.

This rich couple FIRED all their workers in Fiji when they were told they were going to have a tax increase.

And yet the liberals are still very supportive of the people who own the company - they are supportive because they continue to be very loyal to the product.

The other typically liberal position is that the rich are 'bad' because they hurt the poor by not sharing their wealth enough. And yet in this situation, the wealth belongs to the people of Fiji, but because this wealthy American couple had enough money to buy the rights to the main source of clean water, now the poor in Fiji *don't* have clean water.

I would think the 'bleeding heart' position would be to refuse to support a couple who won't pay their 'fair share' in taxes and who is taking so much clean, safe water from an impoverished country that there isn't access now for the people who actually live there.

There are two sides to the story, of course - I just think it's interesting that there absolutely is a bleeding heart side to be seen here, but people who usually bleed hard and proud are pretty callous about the predicament of the waterless citizens of Fiji... as long as they can have *their* fancy water in the square bottles...

wowitsdark, not that you need it by any means BUT I am APPLAUDING your post!! I just wish that others would take it to heart!

Thanks, littlewolf.

Thinking back to the whole mess between the US and the Middle Eastern world....

One 'side' that was often presented by the left was that the US was to blame for the attitude some in the Middle East have towards us. We live high on the hog and they don't. They have the resource *we* need (oil), and their wealthy leaders benefit financially from that resource while their people live in poverty.

The liberal view is that we were complicit in keeping the citizens of those nations in grave and dire need because we did business with the people who held all the cards and kept the benefits of the resources for themselves. The liberal view is that our American froo-froo mindset is what set off the poor in the Middle East, and fueled the fire that started us down a very violent path.

How is our capitalizing on Fiji's water while 53% of Fiji's own citizens go thirsty any different?

And now, for the rest of the story:

After its lawyers met Tuesday with Bainimarama and Fiji's Attorney General, Aiyaz Sayed Khaiyum, the company said it a short statement that "Fiji Water will reopen its bottling plant, effective Wednesday morning, Dec. 1, at its regular start up time of 8 a.m. Through our discussions, we have also agreed to comply with Fiji's new water tax law."


I don't know where you get all your ridiculous generalizations about liberals, but no self-respecting liberals I know will buy any brand of bottled water. It's a crock and environmentally unfriendly.

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- Stephen Colbert.

Yes - I know they hired them back. That's why I said there are two sides to the story. The other side is a more capitalistic one.

Personally, I have mixed feelings about the situation. On the one hand, they provide jobs, and it sounds like this is a part of the world that needs some economic stimulus... and real jobs are the 'real deal'. I also think it's a perfect example of taxation resulting in higher prices for consumers. A tax of $.15 per bottle = an increase in the price of the water.

I don't know what Fiji's government proposed to do with the increase in revenue to their coffers. I think this is a situation that doesn't exactly parallel what happens when... well... Fiji is taxing a foreign company, not their own citizens, so if the additional tax falls entirely on the backs of people who aren't even citizens of their nation, anyway, so long as the foreign company will pay it it's a total win for Fiji. And as long as there are crazy Americans willing to pay that price for a luxury beverage, Fiji Water might as well continue to exist, and those citizens of Fiji can continue to have solid jobs.

But the reality is that 53% of the people in that nation don't have access to clean, safe water. Will they use the revenue from the taxes to help this situation by building better infrastructure? And if not... are we 'exploiting' that nation for luxury water in the same way we've been accused of exploiting Middle Eastern nations for oil? The 'rich Americans' buy up their resources and only their leaders profit while their citizens suffer? I honestly don't know, but I think this is a case that could legitimately be made. In America, the liberal mindset is, "Tax the ones that won't miss the money to give it to those who don't have money." Are those who don't have money in Fiji benefiting from the Fiji Water tax? Or are we just providing the means for their government officials to live high on the hog?

The company's initial reaction to the new taxes was to say, "Fine - we just won't do business here." The nation of Fiji had attempted to tax them in the past, and the company successfully talked them out of taxing them because they threatened to close up shop. When faced with the tax a second time, they did fire everyone and close for a brief time. Ultimately, it's too profitable a brand for them to do that - it was a bluff, and they didn't hesitate to make their employees experience the pain of the firing if it meant they might get out of the taxation again.

I know plenty of liberals who drink bottled water.

Interestingly, it's no more environmentally *un*-friendly, in terms of the plastic waste, than plastic-bottled colas, but you don't hear widespread complaints about those.

As I said above, we don't drink a lot of bottled water, but it's more a matter of personal economics than social conviction. It just seems like a financial waste. It's a convenience, and sometimes I'm willing to pay for that convenience. They freeze well and provide the 'ice' in a cooler without the mess, and then when they've melted you've got some cold water to drink, at the ready. I appreciate that. But for general beverage consumption? Not on your life would I buy it by the case.

Then why didn't you include the fact that they were hired back your original post? Just stating that there are two sides to every story without clearly stating what the other side is, is pretty much the same as lying by omission.

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- Stephen Colbert.

This is one of the things that bothered me the most about this investigation. It had never occurred to me that water was being stolen, hijacked really by huge mulitnational corporations as well as the leaders of these nations (or in some cases the various states) from the people who have rights to it and being sold back to people (idiots like I consider myself to have been) who have been hoodwinked into thinking it's better than what comes out of our faucets.

Just another injustice in the world that allows exploitation and quite possibly results in death around the world from a lack of clean drinking water and the drying up of crops. And at the same time brings excessive riches to the pockets of the greedy.

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No, it's not.

People tend to 'stick to their sides' and get emotionally invested in issues and their own stances and behaviors.

In this threat, at least one (and maybe two) avowed 'liberals' are refusing to give up something that has a legitimate 'bleeding heart' side to it.

But because they love the product, the issue that might normally make them take a stand is being pushed under the rug.

I wasn't attempting to be fair and balanced. I was *just* presenting the liberal side and questioning why a liberal or two isn't all that bothered by the strongarm tactics employed by 'the rich' at the expense of 'the poor'.

there you go again--using rational thought and common sense! don't you know there is no place for that these days???

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Well, my guess - and it could be wrong - is that the country of Fiji may not have had the financial or technological capability to tap that aquifer to use that water for their own people.

In the oil and gas world, the people who own the minerals get a small fraction of the proceeds when compared to the money the oil companies get for having drilled the well. Sounds unfair, until you see the numbers and realize it's terribly, terribly expensive to get minerals out of the ground, and the one who owns the rig has spent a fortune on the process - much more than the mineral owner spent on the mineral rights.

Drilling rights aren't free, and I assume that the Fiji Water people paid the nation of Fiji handsomely to have the rights to drill that water that was stuck way underground.

No you weren't *just* doing that. A lot of liberals are bothered by the Fiji Water owners. You've just "neglected" to present them. Here's one:

Daily Kos: A Tale of Greed, Water, Blood & Oil, with a rare Poll from me.

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- Stephen Colbert.

Okay wowitsdark I know you are referring to me as one of the so called two liberals who are not bothered with the issues of Fiji water, I cannot believe you would bring that issue up, but neglect to mention allllllllllll the billions of wastefull money you conservatives have spend on a war that should have never happened and is still happening and when will it ever end and how much more money would it cause us?????????. I do not doubt the problems in fiji and I am concerned but to turn this discussion into a liberal issue I cannot believe it. I have my flame retartant suit on so I am ready for the comments because I know there will be many. I thought if someone decided to drink bottled water it was a personal choice I assume now it is not . Edited to say to Littlewolf I have not used peace in my posts for a long time now, so you should be aware of that by now I assume you are not. Catherine

Uh... you're wrong.

It was mentioned earlier in this thread that Fiji's business practices were not entirely friendly to people in need.

People of the liberal persuasion usually get on the bandwagon against such companies.

In this instance, people I would normally expect to be on that bandwagon *aren't* because they like the product so much. They didn't even seem to want to entertain the thought that if they were going to stay true to their principles that perhaps they might need to re-think their consumption of Fiji water.

In pointing out the hypocrisy of that position, I didn't need to explain both sides. The 'other side' wasn't relevant. The issue was the lack of interest in the possibility that Fiji might be behaving badly by those who generally say that they care deeply about the welfare of the poor.... 'cause their water is just too good to give up.

And you actually made my point. You said a lot of liberals *are* bothered by Fiji's practices. That's exactly what I would expect, and why I was mentioning the liberal position. And that's why I find it unusual that because they 'love' it so much, some liberals would put their principles on the shelf where the poor people of Fiji are concerned.

Cathrine, actually, there are serious political issues surrounding the consumption of Fiji water. By 'serious' I don't mean on a global scale, but on a 'personal principles' scale.

I was just in the grocery store this morning and walked by the bottled water display. Holy cow, I had no clue how much more expensive that brand is than the others. It was $2.89 / bottle on sale. It was right beside an identically-sized bottle of Dasani that was $.99, regularly priced. There was another brand that I knew of that isn't as 'chic' that was $.89 for the same size bottle.

Personally, I couldn't afford Fiji water as an everyday beverage at that price. I drink a couple of liters a day, and that would mean $175/month on bottled water alone. That's $2,100 / year JUST for me, not including any family members.

Actually, I guess I could afford it... but it would not be a wise or prudent use of my resources.

Ya know Wowitsdark first off you have mispelled my name so many times and I never nothing, you always talk about my grammer my name is spelled Catherine thanks so much. Second I buy only the small individual bottles of fiji the very tiny ones which are always on sale here for 1.19 and with my 35/1 off one tripled that comes to 14 cents a bottle which is pretty good for some excellent tasting water. Now I totally agree with you it is expensive if you buy the larger size or if you do not have coupons, but there are other water bottles that are way more expensive like Vose, Evian, Perrier just to name a few. Personally for me I always and only will use coupons if not then it is what is on sale only I love coupons and will never stop using them, they save me and my family so much money. Catherine

When you make these sweeping generalizations about liberals, are you just talking about the 2 or 3 people here who love their Fiji water and profess to be liberal? I'm honestly confused.

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If this is going to be a Christian nation that doesn't help the poor, either we have to pretend that Jesus was just as selfish as we are, or we've got to acknowledge that He commanded us to love the poor and serve the needy without condition, and then admit that we just don't want to do it.

- Stephen Colbert.

Principles on the shelf when the poor people of the fiji are concerned and its us liberals who are too blame wowitsdark?, really??. C'mom you can do better then that seriously you can. Again like I said what about all the countless millions of Americans right here in our country who are homeless and who do not have a job because of the state of our country and one reason of course is the war which was started by your ex president Bush and who went he entered into office we were in surplus, when he left, we were left in a huge ecomonic hole , what about the poor people here????. Please kindly answer that question. Sorry I did not want to bring politics into this thread but you wowitsdark started with us few liberals so please continue thanks so much. Catherine not Cathrine

YOU, ill, YOU are calling someone on spelling? REALLY? That was a simple, actual, real typo. She's spelled your name right countless times. I would say amazing, but you don't know the difference between a typo and actual errors so I have to say pathetic.

And I am oh so sorry according to you I can't post under a specific poster. Once again, you assert being able to tell others what to do.

ill, calling someone on spelling ! Who would have thought?

dl

The economy is cyclical. It was headed downward when Bush was poised to take office. That's just the way it is.

Bush didn't necessarily cause a recession, some of the things that Clinton set in motion actually set up a perfect storm for a downward trend in the economy.

The homeless and lack of employment now? Really and truly has nothing to do with the war.

And what about the poor people here? What has been done for them w/ the current administration?? I'm not seeing any improvement.

Some people are so blinded by their Obama glasses they can't see the truth. He was ill-prepared for the job--and hasn't done much on the job growth!

I'm neither liberal, nor conservative. I LOVE Bill Clinton, don't like Bush, Jr., Liked Bush, Sr. Cannot stand Obama! It's about the person and what they did/do. Not about what their leanings are.

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Wowitsdark isn't blaming anyone as far as I can tell. Just laying out the facts of the situation concerning Fiji water and the issues surrounding it. Then pointing out the fact that it "seems" like it would be an issue that people of the liberal persuasion, considering how they typically view things, would be concerned about. That liberals would normally steer away from such a product considering the facts surrounding the product and the situation the people of Fiji are in concerning their own ability to obtain clean drinking water. That's all. Drawing some interesting conclusions, which by the way I agree with.

Drink your water, I don't care. I drink bottled water daily. I live in a truck, it's the only realistic way. So who am I to judge? But if I found out what I know about Fiji water and it's the water I preferred, I would probably give it up on principle. And I'm a conservative! egads!! Me? I just drink Wal-Mart brand water.....something I should know about that??? (ok besides the old Wal-Mart complaints) ;0)

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If I'm not mistaken that is actually bottled in Arkansas---and since I lived there many years ago, I can say: if it's actually pulled and filtered and bottled from there? It should be pretty good water!

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It is pretty good Marilyn!

You know, I can't think of one product that I am so stuck on that I just wouldn't give up under the right circumstances. Nothing is that important.....I am not that important as an individual.

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Deddlastt actually your so wrong, she has mispelled my name sooooooo many times, however this was the first time I called her out on it, unlike others here who seem to have a huge issue with my grammer and spelling issues I did not and never ever made a issue of it, because I knew when she wrote Cathrine, she mean't to write Catherine, big difference, but nice try DL again big trouble maker drama queen that you own the crown too.. Catherine. Edited to Marilyn I too did like Clinton alot but when he let his personal life get in the way and all his lies, I was done with him, if he could lie to his wife, how could he run our country , how could we trust him as a president. As far as Bush I will never like him, but to compare liberals in this thread it simply does not fit and yes then if wowitsdark is going to talk about the poor people and talk about liberals, then we need to talk about conservatives and Bush to put our country in the mess it is and handed it to Obama and yes I have agreed before he is not doing a great job, but he was left with a huge mess and that is the truth, in my personal view . Catherine

And you know he lied to Hillary HOW??
Seriously. Hillary is an intelligent woman. They were married a long time, I'm pretty sure that she knew what was going on the whole time.....but that's my opinion. I don't know---and I don't know that Bill lied to her!

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Catherine, I do apologize for misspelling your name. I have seen it both ways, but have seen it without the 'e' more often, and was just spelling it that way since that is how I see it more often... Or at least how I see the 'C' version most often.

I actually see it spelled 'Kathrine' most, but I know yours starts with a C, so at least I got that part right. lol

Thanks for pointing out my error, and again, I apologize.

Yes - in this thread. I would assume that the general liberal population would not be full of Fiji fans, which is why this thread and the insistence on patronizing them surprises me.

You hit the nail on the head, Ma'am!

OK cracking up....

The add above the threads I just saw was for Fiji water delivery service!!!

Anyone interested???? LOLOLOL

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Oh cmom Marilyn you seriously think for one minute that Clinton did not lie to his wife over and over with all his affairs, cmom your a smarter woman then to believe otherwise. Regardless whether to his wife or not, he came on national television and spoke to us the general public us Americans and said he did not have any sexual relations with Monica, again I did like him. Some can say what someone does in the privacy of their own home is their business and perhaps that is so, but for me, he was our leader and if he could lie to his wife and he did lie to us, he was no president for me. To wowitsdark no big deal about the spelling of my name I was just trying to bring a point across that to me it truly is not a issue about spelling or grammar and no harm done. Catherine

I don't know if he lied to his wife or not, but he definitely lied.

Either he was lying to America when he - actually, *they* - went above and beyond in their attempts to portray themselves as having a marriage in which they were devoted to each other, or she was clueless and the only one lying was B.C.. Either way, there was dishonesty happening.

I've got a much different value system than they had regarding marriage. I don't think anything anyone does in their own home is acceptable, even if both parties are fine with it, because I think some behaviors are morally wrong and that infidelity to a spouse is never acceptable. So whether he lied or didn't lie really didn't matter to me. He didn't behave honorably when he took up with a young subordinate.

Growing up in Arkansas during the Clinton years (and having actually met the Clintons) I can honestly say that I believe Hillary knew all along.

Hillary was the brains of the enterprise---Bill was the "pretty" front man. (Bill is incredibly intelligent). Hill hooked up w/ Bill to attain what she saw as her destiny.

Frankly, I don't care what two (3 or 4) consenting adults do sex wise.
Furthermore, what young, impressionable woman KEEPS a dress w/ semen stains on it??? yeah, I think it was a set-up to some extent.

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Well this might be a first but I firmly agree with what both wowitsdark and Marilyn both just said in both their posts it was all wrong on all levels. As a married woman myself there is never ever a reason to cheat it is wrong, if your marriage is not working and you have tired to work on your marriage with a therapist and or would seek help from your church and have tried all means, then part ways and move on and then start up with someone new. As far as Hilary knowing I totally agree she was in a very high position and knew it and knew very well what ex president Clinton was doing and Monica well for me she was just a fool as well, why would you put yourself in such an embrassing suituation, I can only assume her reasons and boy did this thread go way off topic so sorry op. Catherine

I had no idea you were making all these assumptions about liberals based on 1-2 people. Really? I know we disagree a lot, but I thought you were above that type of thing.

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- Stephen Colbert.

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Perhaps I was not clear.

I was not making generalizations about all liberals based on 1-2 people in this thread.

I was making the observation that 1-2 liberals in this thread have deviated from what I would assume is the general 'liberal' position on this issue.