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I thought that she would never get a fair trial because of all of the pretrial coverage and the Nancy Grace trying her and judging her "guilty" before Caylee's body was even found. Now just a few of the highlight and commentary on the trail -- I can't believe she didn't do it.
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I hate to admit it, but I've been following it, too. I think she's guilty as hell....if that were my daughter, there is no way I'd be able to keep it together in there. She even laughs sometimes. Lisa
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I haven't watched it but what shows the most guilt is her lack of concern or emotion over the loss of her child, I mean back when she was just a missing child. I mean can you imagine what a basket case you would be if your little girl was missing? I just imagined how my niece would have been if her child that was the same age at that time would have come up missing...she would have been a total basket case probably would have had to put her in the hospital! But instead she was out partying.... |
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She is a sociopath that's why she has no emotion, that's why she lies so easily, that's why it didn't bother her emotionally or morally to drive around with her dead baby in her car or to run around partying after administering home made chloroform to said poor innocent baby.
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I will not watch this trial. I do not need to know the gory details of this baby's death. I do not need to have my blood pressure sky-rocket. I hope and pray that IF Casey Anthony is responsible for this beautiful child's death, she is found guilty and punished accordingly. And if Casey Anthony isn't responsible, I hope that the piece of sh*t who is responsible is ultimately found and tried.
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Haven't watched the trial, but I watch the news coverage of it in the evenings, and I think she is guilty. She is totally missing the empathy gene. She has never demonstrated concern for the feelings of anyone but herself. I actually haven't even seen her express genuine *feelings* about herself, either. Rather than seeming distraught or emotionally pained over the loss of her daughter or the anguish of her parents, she has seemed frantic about her freedom. She's like a robot. |
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There are a few things that I have been wondering about..I know she has a team of defense attorneys, and IMO Baez is doing a horrible job, if she is found guilty, can she appeal based on ineffective assistance of counsel? I know I read somewhere that when this all started, she agreed for Baez to represent her (and I believe be the lead atty) even though he has had no death penalty trial experience. Another thing, it has been said that previous to all of this happening, there were times when her friends / boyfriend had asked her where Caylee was and she was using the nanny excuse way back then. I am wondering if she lead the police to that empty apartment (where she said the Nanny lived) because she had been using it and putting Caylee in there while she went partying (I am guessing she knocked her out with chloroform then left her in the apartment while she went and did her thing) I am also wondering when the defense is going to prove their opening statement..so far they haven't even touched on it. There has been no indication from them that shows me that maybe she drowned
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Maybe all she had at the time was duct tape?
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Did anyone hear her mother's testimony yesterday? Now after three years she all of a sudden remembered she searched for choloroform and that the stain was in the trunk when they bought the car. She said she remembers now because she changed her medications. From what I have heard, her testimony came after it was reported through her parents' attorney that they do not believe that she is innocent. I understand that the defense has to raise some doubt, but that was just crazy. I do not know Florida law, so maybe someone from there, or someone who knows the law could help me. if she made that statement and at the same time admitted to being on medications at the time of her initaial statement and again now, doesn't that prove that she really shouldn't be credible witness? Shouldn't she be asked to say which medications she was/is presently on so it could be looked into to see if a side effect of the drug is problems with memory?
__________________ ~~~~**Maryann**~~~~ I just got a firm grip on reality.... ![]() Now I can strangle it |
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I have not been watching this trial. I "think" tho, that any death penalty case, if the defendant is found guilty, gets an automatic appeal. But, I am not sure. That may just be a state by state thing, tho. Not everyone is cut out to be a parent. Some parents know this and give custody to the other parent (in divorce or whatever), some give custody to the grandparents, etc. I know of a woman who divorced her DH and gave willingly, her DS to his father. Her family was horrified. I said "well, at least she didn't pull a Susan Smith and kill her own children" I have a lot more respect for someone that can recognize they are not parent material and find a good solution to things. These freaks that kill their own children....well, they deserve the same treatment. JMO.
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I saw the bodyguard that was with Casey 24/7 on Today, Friday or Thursday. She said when investigators would come and say "we think we found Caylee's body in (this)location she was not sad and did not show any emotion. But when they came and said they found Caylee's body in the spot where she is, Casey immediately melted into tears. It tells me she knew where the body was the whole time.
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| But you are all smiley face that she was found not guilty? WTF?
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| Well,because even though her demeaner in my opinion is that of one who is capable of murder isn't proof that she did it.I'm glad that the jury made their decision on the physical evidence presented instead of the emotional evidence.Emotional evidence in my opinion just shouldn't be counted as actual evidence.My smiley is because I feel the jury did a good job and I am glad its over as I feel Casey and her parents have suffered enough.Even if Caylee did die at the hands of her mother I think the trauma from all this, Casey will carry with her the rest of her life will be just as much hell as living in jail.I would hate to see someone spend the rest of their life in jail or be put to death not knowing 100% for sure that they were guilty.
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911, not her, the partying, lack of emotion or concern for her daughter, the searches for cholorform, the cholorform in the trunk, the hair in the trunk, who else could have done it? I heard (and I am not sure how true this is) but on the four charges she was guilty of (lying to law enforcement) she could get a year for each but because of time served, she can walk soon.
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| Nobody knows,and may never know.I don't know if the police is going to try to dig up more evidence or not.After all this time you would think they have found all they can possibly find.Nobody even knows for sure if she was murdered. Too many people lied throughout the trial or had stories that didn't make sense.
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While I understand the prosecution could not prove how she died, where she died, etc. - that little girl DID NOT die a natural death. She was triple bagged and duct taped. Geraldo was correct. The state should not have tried the case as first degree murder with the possibility of a death sentence. Let's hope Casey doesn't reproduce again.
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I didn't watch the trial, but I couldn't escape it on the news, it was on everyday here. I consider myself pretty tough about most things, but they keep showing her picture and that just broke my heart. I could never have sat on that jury, because no matter what fact they brought out I would have found her guilty. I can only hope that the jury was correct in their verdict and that some how some day the murderer is brought to justice.
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Someone, I don't remember who, said this morning on TV, that not guilty is not the same as innocent. That they never proved the cause of death, and if you don't know the cause you can't determine who did it. That they should never have filed with the death penalty as an option when they didn't have a cause of death. Sounds like the prosecutor made a very poor judgement call in trying her with the death penalty and without knowing the cause of death. Sounds like the prosecutor was so enamored of the pre-trial publicity and the general assumption that she was going to be found guilty, that he/she made a gross misjudgement of his/her ability to get a conviction. IMO Nancy Grace and others like her should be forbidden discussion of current and ongoing criminal cases until they are over. People, guilty or not, deserve a fair trial and with the publicity hounds screeching on TV and elsewhere for years about a person's guilt and inciting the public indignation to a frothing frenzy there is often no way to get a fair trial. This jury managed to overlook the frenzied frothing and make a decision based on what they learned during the trial. Not an easy task and I applaud them. |
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I really feel there was enough evidence to convict her but I also think that the defense confused the jury so badly they had their heads spinning. There was evidence that there was chloroform searches done on the computer but they kept on insisting that the mother did them when they proved she could not have done them! Who else put the girl in her trunk and how did her hair end up in there???? Caylee did not walk herself to the swamp and put duct tape on her own mouth. I am sorry but she is guilty and I can only hope that she gets what she is deserved. People are outraged all over and it is only a matter of time before something happens.
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Lousy, horrible mother, yes. Probably guilty, yes. Proof, no. They probably could have convicted on lesser charges, had they chosen to do so. People should calm their outrage and look at the law and the people who charged her with a death penalty crime. She would have been in jail if the prosecutor had charged her correctly. |
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I like the idea of the petition that's been going around... 'Caylee's Law' online petition builds interest after verdict - USATODAY.com You can sign it here... http://www.change.org/petitions/create-caylees-law |
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To me personally justice was not served, Yes they found Casey not guilty, however she to me is far from innocent. Furthermore I do not trust her family either, while I love my children with all my heart and soul, I would never ever cover up a death. I believe as Wildwood said they plain did not have enough evidence or DNA to place Casey or her parents at the scene of the crime. For the future just by her actions I believe Casey will continue to be the person she is and I also believe in Karma and that what comes around, goes around and while it seems like she walked away from it all, she never will be able too, to me she is a complete sociopath and evil person and it will catch up with her. Honestly at this point I have lost faith in our justice system, but it is what it is, my heart goes out to that precious baby girl and sincerely hope she is finding peace in Gods beautiful home of paradise...may God rest her soul....No peace or blessings here way too sad.........Catherine
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IMO, if you take a look at case sans the emotional aspect of it, our justice system worked exactly as it was intended. There was no evidence linking Casey or anyone else to the murder, really. How can they prove a suspect was at the scene of the murder when they can't even prove where the scene was, or when the murder occured. The "not guilty" verdict does not mean the jury necessarily thinks she is innocent of the crime, it just means, she is not guilty of the charges. She was charge with First Degree Murder. "first degree murder n. although it varies from state to state, it is generally a killing which is deliberate and premeditated (planned, after lying in wait, by poison or as part of a scheme), in conjunction with felonies such as rape, burglary, arson, involving multiple deaths, the killing of certain types of people (such as a child, a police officer, a prison guard, a fellow prisoner), or with certain weapons, particularly a gun. The specific criteria for first degree murder are established by statute in each state and by the United States Code in federal prosecutions. It is distinguished from second degree murder in which premeditation is usually absent, and from manslaughter which lacks premeditation and suggests that at most there was intent to harm rather than to kill." Our justice system is based on the premise better to let 10 guilty persons go free than to have one innocent person imprisoned. Sadly, guilty persons go free. I have lived it first hand and it is a hard pill to swallow. The Anthony family will not have an easy life after this, that's for sure.
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No I do not know the cause of death and do not even pretend to know the laws. But I will say this. That little girl was murdered and murdered by her own mother. I do not think you have to have the cause of death to know that she was murdered. She was triple bagged and duct taped around her mouth. Who else did it? The evidence was there! The jury did not deliberate! How can a jury even make a rational decision in 10 hours over a case like this? I am sickened with the jury.
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the prosecution DID NOT present a case that showed BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT. period. Prosecution did not do their job. Now, do I think someone in that dyfunctional screwed up, whacked out family knows what happens? You bet. I don't know if it was an accident, on purpose or what happened. I will say this--I believe that the baby is at peace, and the perhaps God called her home because that was the only way to keep the child from suffering further.
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I've thought about it,and I'm going to give Casey the benefit of the doubt that Caylee died in the pool or some other accident.Why,because she has had no history of ever being mean to Caylee,She has a reputation of being a good mom from what people have seen with her and Caylees interactions.I don't believe that she left Caylee in the car knocked out while partying because if she had been doing that all along Caylee would have died long ago from heat exposure.I don't think she was stupid enough to leave Caylee in a sweltering hot car.
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Sadly again have to agree there was not evidence, but I firmly believe and this is personal for me, that they , the jurors knew she was guilty or her parents , just not enough evidence to prove . Like Marilyn said I believe Caylee is at peace, sad to say, 2 years of a life, just so sad beyond words, in the end the only person I am deeply concerned with is Caylee and hope and pray her precious little soul is now at peace in God home....again no peace here only for Caylee a angel among angels..........Catherine
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We have listened to a lot of the coverage of this trial and the trial itself on our many travels. We started listening around the second week of trial. I also remember when this all started, we still had our sweet Faith, and Casey reminded me so much of Faith's "mommy" it was frightening. I believe she was guilty, I believe there was enough evidence to convict her and I believe how the defense handled the trial was not ethical. The ends do not always justify the means and just because you "can" does not mean you "should". What Jose Baez did was boldly lie on behalf of his client. I guess she rubbed off.... But, it worked didn't it? One more thing. Sweet Caylee is NOT an angel. Nope....she is higher than the angels. She is enjoying fellowship with the One who loves her more than anyone else ever could. While it is is certainly tragic, she knows more peace and love than we could ever imagine in this life.
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The jury did the right thing, in your opinion. You can repeat yourself over and over and louder and louder and it doesn't make you right. I think (believe) there was plenty of evidence and people have been found guilty with less evidence. I guess the moral of the story is, if you are going to kill your kid, make darn sure enough time elapses before the body is found so that all evidence of murder decomposes with the body.
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| If this were the case, then no one would ever be charged of murder in a case that there is only skeletal remains. They can even charge someone with murder if there is NO body ever found! YEP! So what you are saying is simply not true!
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I'm of the opinion that the prosecution rushed their case. The defense did what a competent defense attorney is suppose to do. He baffled the jury w/ enough BS that they had doubts. I *think* that someone in the Anthony family either killed that child or knows what happened. But ya know? A justice system worked the way it was set up to work--a jury of her peers decided there wasn't enough evidence.
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Marilyn well spoken agreed on all points, in my personal views either Casey or are parents are involved, and no one else can tell me different, however sadly there just was not enough proof of evidence or dna to place one of the three there. Repeat again she was found not guilty but she or her parents are not innocent......No peace here.....God bless that baby Caylee in heaven and rest her soul........there are not enough tears as a mother to say how sad I am for her....
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| Yes they can be charged with murder and they likely will have the same outcome with a reasonable jury. The charge should have been a lesser charge and they more than likely would have convicted. If no body is found then there must be a lot of physical evidence that leads to the conclusion that a certain chain of events happened. They evidently did not have that here, even with a body. Just because you "think" someone is guilty does not mean you can convict them. Luckily the jury in this case realized that and acted accordingly.
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