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Old 09-03-2011, 11:08 AM
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If we were voting for President this Tuesday.....

Would you vote for Barack O'Bama? Do you feel like he is doing a good job for our Country and helping this country?
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Old 09-03-2011, 11:43 AM
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As a registered Democrat, I didn't vote for him in the last election and definitely won't be voting for him this coming election. I think he is doing a horrible job and don't trust him on many issues.

I also think he is very arrogant and not really interested in what we want.
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Old 09-03-2011, 11:54 AM
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NO! I didn't vote for him, I can't stand him, I don't think he has any leadership skills what-so-ever and I think he is ruining our country. I don't know who is running against him yet, but whoever it is is who I am voting for! ANYONE would be better than him!

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Old 09-03-2011, 12:33 PM
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I was never a fan of his, but if he had done a good job I'd be the first one in line to give him props.

Unfortunately, I don't think he has what it takes. Not by a long shot.
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Old 09-03-2011, 12:52 PM
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Does this answer your question, allinaugust?

NO!!

Nyet!!

Non!!

Nee!!


And those are the polite ways of saying NO to your question........
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I hope this is the concensus of the voters come November 2012!!! I will not be voting for Barack Obama. He has done very little, if anything, to make things better for our country.
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Old 09-03-2011, 01:56 PM
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I would out and out say No but first I have to see who the opponent is because, scary as it is, it could be someone worse!
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NO WAY. Didn't vote for him the first time. He struck me as an arrogant s.o.b.
I will vote for anyone else, after all they can't do much worse than what he's done(or not done).
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Old 09-03-2011, 04:05 PM
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Forget the economy for a minute, and consider just this one point:

Obama promised to shut down Gitmo.

He also promised to bring our troops home from Afghanistan and end our involvement there.

So far, Gitmo is still open for business, but he has allowed for the release of a number of Gitmo prisoners, and some of those have been returned to the middle east.

Some of those very former prisoners have re-connected with Al Qeada, and are now causing harm to US troops... which makes it a lot more difficult for him to fulfill the 2nd promises that I noted above.

Bin Laden may be dead, but his spirit lives on in those folks. And from my perspective, Obama's tactics are making the situation worse instead of better. To those who said it was Bush's fault that they hated us, I have to ask if they think we are now LOVED by those people simply because Obama is our president.
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I didnt vote for him in the first place and would not give him a vote now. I am exploring my options as far as my next vote goes. I am not close to deciding yet.
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Old 09-03-2011, 05:41 PM
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I'm not happy with him, but, and it's a big one, I'm not seeing a person in the race that can do better. Not only can they not do better, they most likely will be a lot worse. So given the quality of the opposition, I'll vote for him again, as of today.
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I'd vote for a trained MONKEY before I'd vote for a ticket with Sarah Palin on it so I'd vote for Obama if it came to that...

I think he's a brilliant mind but he's not a politician.
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couponsrock, I'd say the opposite. He was a brilliant politician, but that he does not have a great mind.

He can give a great speech. He has the cadence, the timing, and the mannerisms. He has a voice that is persuasive - or at least, it was motivating and it excited the crowds.

But I don't think the plans he asserted were well considered. They sounded good until you evaluated what things would really look like if they played out.

It's similar to what Bill Clinton did for instance, when he had promised that if he was voted in he'd cut the White House staff by 25% immediately. Sounded great! Reduce bloated bureaucracies!

And he did it, by golly!

But then the skeleton staff that remained had to take on extra hours to get the work done, and the WH staffing expenditures actually GREW. And then we found out that those who were no longer working IN the White House had just been transferred to the Old EOB across the way. They were still on the government payroll.

I don't think Obama had thought through is "change" ideas. I think he had some theories that made him feel warm and fuzzy that had not been tested in the real world, and he communicated them well enough to get himself noticed in a big way.

But that doesn't mean he has a brilliant mind.
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Old 09-03-2011, 10:11 PM
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We'll just have to agree to disagree then because what I see when Obama speaks is a very very intelligent man.
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I don't think he is unintelligent. Quite the opposite.

I just don't think his theories work in the real world, and I don't think he is a good leader. A good motivator, perhaps, but not a good decision-maker.
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I can't wait to vote for him. All politicians are rich idiots who have no idea what it is like to struggle. Congress is composed of a bunch of spoiled brats who are trying to impress each other.

He is still trying to clean up Dub-ya's mess from the previous 8 years.
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Would you vote for Barack O'Bama? Do you feel like he is doing a good job for our Country and helping this country?
Saw this recently and thought it pretty much summed up how I'm feeling too.

Dr. Seuss - 2011:
I do not like this Uncle Sam, I do not like his health care scam.
I do not like these dirty crooks, or how they lie and cook the books.
I do not like when Congress steals, I do not like their secret deals.
I do not like ex-speaker Nan, I do not like their "Yes We Can".
I do not like this spending spree, I'm smart, I know that nothing's free.
I do not like their smug replies when I complain about their lies.
I do not like this kind of HOPE, I do not like it: nope, nope, nope!!

But my party hasn't come up with a suitable replacement plan either so I'm flapping in the wind here...

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Well I voted for him and one of the main reasons were to bring our troops home. Which of course has not happened. Honestly even if it was McCain or anyone else I doubt very seriously anyone could bring all our troops home, we are in deep with that country it is very scary. At this point billions of dollars have been spent there, when we truly need the money for our own country. At this point, I sometimes truly do not know whom to trust. Like Anna and Wildwood said I would have to see who he was running againist before I could make that decision. On a personal note, I like Obama I would never say he is not smart. I think he is a smart man, just that when he entered into office our country was in a mess and basically still is. I am happy Bin Laden is dead, so I give credit to Obama for that. However do not even mention Cheney or Palin literally just their names and I cannot stand them ever.......Peace. Catherine
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However do not even mention Cheney or Palin literally just their names and I cannot stand them ever.......Peace. Catherine
It's funny you should say that because any time I see Palin on TV I get LITERALLY(and I'm not one to use that word much) sick to my stomach that's how bad I hate that old witch! She's nothing but a s**t stirrer. Cheney doesn't affect me the same way.

Here's the deal with anyone running for President, they ALL tell us what we want to hear to get elected to office! AND as far as I can remember back, none of them have ever made good on a promise. You know what I think is so funny is how everyone blames Obama for the shape our country is in now when I CLEARLY remember the bottom falling out of the stock market BUSH was still president! I don't know how any one president can dig us out of the mess that Bush left for him!?
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Old 09-05-2011, 10:37 AM
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I just wonder how long it's going to take the next president to dig out from the massive mess Obama has made....probably won't be fixed in our lifetime it's so bad now.

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Old 09-05-2011, 11:31 AM
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I just wonder how long it's going to take the next president to dig out from the massive mess Obama has made....probably won't be fixed in our lifetime it's so bad now.

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You do mean the massive mess that BUSH made right? Obama couldn't fix that mess even if he had congress on his side! HA!
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Because when Obama DID have them on his side he ushered in the largest <cough cough> STIMULUS bill <COUGH COUGH> ever known to man AND that massively expensive health care bill!
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I voted for Obama and most likely will again. I am not impressed with any of the Republican candiates so far. I especially can't stand Sara Palin and Michelle Bachmann. I seriously don't think McCain would have done any better. Obama wanted to bring home the troops but realized it would have put others in more danger. He has the intelligence to rethink and do the right thing. We all want the troops home but Bush got us into this mess and to get out of it, it must be done safely. To be honest I don't know what the deal was with Gitmo. Not a good idea to release the prisoners. All in all Obama is doing a good job despite the republicans trying to make him look bad. All I can sayh is if the Republicans get in they better deliver. It they get in I want every American that is unemployeed to find a job, Stock market way up, balanced budget, Troops home, the list goes on. I want it done in the first two years also. Thank you
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With all due respect and hurting no one's feelings we are adults taking civil. I realize that Obama has make some mistakes in trying to fix our county, why can I admit that, yet no one can admit Bush left his huge mess in Obama's hands. At this point I seriously doubt anyone could have fixed the huge mess..While Obama sent forth the healthcare reform bill , with the cost of that and compare it to the lost of so many innocent lives and close to trillions of dollars spent on a war, it makes so sense...As far as Michelle and Sarah are concerned do not like any of those ladies at all......Do you really think McCain and Sarah would have had all our troop home now????. Plmk peace and blessings to all. Catherine
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Just googled some information, as far as the Healthcare reform bill, it will cost us 940 billion over the next 10 years,but it also will reduce our deficit by 143 million over the next 10 years. To date since we entered into the war this is the amount of money our country has spend,1,245,317,977, 523... and if you look at the site the numbers are changing and getting higher each second.........So sad.......No peace here........Catherine
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Old 09-05-2011, 03:44 PM
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Depends on who else is running. I can't wait see if the rebublicans scare me enough into voting for Obama again. My guess is they will. Maybe a decent 3rd party canidate? Who knows.
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Old 09-05-2011, 04:06 PM
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I just wonder how long it's going to take the next president to dig out from the massive mess Obama has made....probably won't be fixed in our lifetime it's so bad now.

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Agree with you, Lisa! Wondering when the Obama followers will STOP putting the blame on Bush for everything? Former President Bush has been out of office for over TWO years now. Why not take a look at what Obama has done or rather should I say has not done in the two plus years that he has been in office?? And yes, I will be the first one to admit that Bush made mistakes while he was in office BUT he is no longer in office and in charge of the country.
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Agree with you, Lisa! Wondering when the Obama followers will STOP putting the blame on Bush for everything? Former President Bush has been out of office for over TWO years now. Why not take a look at what Obama has done or rather should I say has not done in the two plus years that he has been in office?? And yes, I will be the first one to admit that Bush made mistakes while he was in office BUT he is no longer in office and in charge of the country.
But boy when BUSH was in office he sure screwed us the heck up and but good! You know what I find bizarre is that when Bush had everything all screwed up, it was Clinton's fault and now that Obama is trying to straighten up Bush's mess it's all Obama's fault that everythng is all screwed up. When will some one admit that Bush is the one that messed everything up so bad that even the best man in the world couldn't dig out in two years! You know, the Stimulus all started when Bush was still in office...does no one remember anything? Here's what I think, until someone figures out how to bring the jobs back to America...this country is going to be doomed to fail! Without jobs for the milliions of people here...how can anything get any better? There are hundreds of thousands of people graduating from college each year all looking for jobs...where the heck are they all going to work when NO NEW jobs are created?

ETA, looks like there are approx. 1.6 million graduating from college each year? OK so where the heck are all these people going to work, McDonald's?
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There are hundreds of thousands of people graduating from college each year all looking for jobs...where the heck are they all going to work when NO NEW jobs are created?

ETA, looks like there are approx. 1.6 million graduating from college each year? OK so where the heck are all these people going to work, McDonald's?
I think the lack of jobs depends on where you live. We have businesses coming and going here.

Let's not forget that some of this also falls onto state Gov't as well.

I think we need someone like NJ Governor Chris Christy in office.....someone who will say, this is what has to be done, and get it done.

We need to bring pride back to our country. Not just pride in being an American, pride in supporting your family, and helping out in your community to make things better for the community.

It's a HUGE mess, not made by any one president. Everyone had a hand in it.
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Depends on who else is running. I can't wait see if the rebublicans scare me enough into voting for Obama again. My guess is they will. Maybe a decent 3rd party canidate? Who knows.
Jen I would also love to see a viable third party candidate. The problem always seems to be I feel as though if I vote for the third party candidate, I'm possibly throwing away my vote and allowing the least best person (for my views) to get into office. It's frustrating.

However I also believe that they are all the same in fundamental basic ways. Anyone who was truly "different" and could offer us "change" would have been weeded out way before they got to the point where they were a presidential candidate. You have to play the game basically within the rules or you're not allowed to play.
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Jen I would also love to see a viable third party candidate. The problem always seems to be I feel as though if I vote for the third party candidate, I'm possibly throwing away my vote and allowing the least best person (for my views) to get into office. It's frustrating.
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Also agreed!
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I voted for President Obama and will again. It seems obvious to me that the mess this country is in at the moment while not greatly improved over the last few years began when Pres. Bush was in office. It also seems to me that the stonewalling the Republicans are doing is similar to what a poster here claimed she wanted to do when Pres. Obama was elected...."to do whatever she/he could do to stop him from being successful" or something like that.

I would never vote for Bachman or Palin. I do not understand why so many people want someone who is clearly not well spoken, tactful or smart to be the president of the Free World. Bachman, in my eyes is clearly a bigot who either does not hear herself speaking or thinks that we cannot hear or remember what she says from day to day. She is the one candidate who said on a news program one day that she would like to have members of Congress investigated for anti American views (McCarthy anyone? Anyone?) and then denied the next day that she said it. She also said recently that God is trying to get D.C.s attention by causing an earthquake and a hurricane there but later she said she was only kidding when she said it.....usually jokes are funny and given her history, I believe she meant every word of it.

Sarah Palin.....I think all that can be said about her has been said. She doesn't stand a chance of being electable. The only reason she remains relavant is because she won't go home. Although I would like her to run just for the comedic aspect, I love this country too much to have her in the race just for my funny bone. We do not want to be the laughing stock of the world by having these loons think they can be serious candidates. Why oh why can't we have a woman run who is not going to be crazy?

I look at Hilary Clinton and think how smart she is and how well spoken she is and then I look at the Republican women who are talking about being the President. It makes me sad to think that there is a faction of women who look up to them.

I like President Obama. He shares the family values that I have. He clearly loves his wife and his children. He is well spoken, thoughtful and careful. Do I think he is doing a good job? Somewhat. I understand that a lot he promised to do was naivety while he was running for the office. I do not think he understood how difficult it would be to work with the people who were angry they were not in power any more.

Michelle and Sarah seem to be dedicated wives and clearly love their families but are not well spoken, not tactful and do not seem to be tolerant of the diversity of this nation....they will not represent the entire nation, gay, straight, people of color, smart, rich, poor, middle class because they appear to be closed minded in their speech. (as an aside, I do not like the fact that whenever these two women have a question they can't answer or answer with a silly statement that is either inflammatory or untrue or both, they accuse the media of being "liberal" or it was a "gotcha" question. The media is not liberal when they are being painted in a good light but when they are not it suddenly becomes "liberal"? Come on!)

This is my opinion and only my opinion. I do not expect anyone to agree with me.
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I think we need someone like NJ Governor Chris Christy in office.....someone who will say, this is what has to be done, and get it done.

I agree with you. I am a NJ state worker, and although most of the state workers feel that he is using us to get things accomplished, I will say that IMO he is doing a fanstastic job.


As to the original question.. No I would not vote for Obama. I didn't last time either.
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I think we need someone like NJ Governor Chris Christy in office.....someone who will say, this is what has to be done, and get it done.

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Since my husband has been sort of beating the Christie bandwagon, I decided to do some research.

During his first run at politics in 1994, for the Morris County NJ Board of Freeholders, the incumbents file defamation lawsuits against him. Settled out of court.

He managed to get an architect on a local project dismissed for costing too much. He was sued again for defamation.

He wore out his welcome in Morris County and became a lobbyist in 1998 until 2001. He lobbied for the deregulation of the electric and gas industry, and to block the inclusion of securities fraud under the states consumer protection act.

As a top fund raiser for Bush, his partner sent his name to Karl Rove and he was nominated and became the U.S Attorney for the district of New Jersey, in spite of a lack of experience in criminal law.

His brother Todd was 4th on a list of 20 traders at a Wall Street firm under investigation. The top 3 and the eleven behind hm were all indicted, but not him. The investigating attorney was then awarded a federal monitoring, multimillion dollar, no bid contract.

He later recommended the Ashcroft Group as a monitor. The no bid contract was worth between 28 and 52 million. They were going to charge between 1.5 and 2.9 million a month for their monitoring. Shortly after, the House Judiciary held hearings and the Justice Department rewrote the rules regarding the appointment of monitors.

He brokered a fraud settlement with Bristol Myers Squibb that required them to dedicate 5 million dollars for an ethics chair at Christie's alma mater. (I have to appreciate the irony of this one). Soon after the Justice Department changed the guidelines for such types of settlements.

Told all this and some other stuff to my husband, (he grew up in NJ), and his reply, "Typical NJ politician." Unfortunately I can say the same for most, if not all states, and their politicians. I really do find the ethics chair amusing.
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While he has denied that he wants to run for President, Montana Governor Brian Schweitzer is quite a character. I might even would vote for him.

I would vote for Colin Powell, but I don't think he'd ever throw his hat in the ring.

Gen. Wesley Clark would get my vote, but again I don't think he'd throw his hat into the ring.

I would have voted for McCain had he not picked Palin--she worried me!

I didn't think "then", nor do I think now that Obama was up to the job. I get a hinky feeling about Obama--I can't quite put my finger on it. I did not vote for Obama, and I will not vote for him next go around. If there are no "viable" alternatives, I will choose to write in my vote.
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usnamom, I agree with you 100% . well said on all points.
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usnamom, I mostly agree with you. The part I don't agree on is your statement that he didn't realize how difficult it would be to work with the other party. If he didn't realize that, then he was living in a bubble for the last few years. One thing I do think, is that whoever is giving him advice is either wrong a lot, and should be let go, or else he's not taking their advice, in which case he needs to rethink things.
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Usnamom once again agree with you 100 percent on all you said, loved all you said and agree on all levels with you. For people who do not like him or even hate him, all I can truly say is perhaps our country had no been in such a mess, when he took office, they would have different views on the man, he is the president of the United States, however he is not a magician, and he cannot mysterically made all the severe problems simply disappear, yet the Republicans will never let up on him and still praise Bush and Cheney and Palin.......just her name.......Peace to all. Catherine
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usnamom, I mostly agree with you. The part I don't agree on is your statement that he didn't realize how difficult it would be to work with the other party. If he didn't realize that, then he was living in a bubble for the last few years. One thing I do think, is that whoever is giving him advice is either wrong a lot, and should be let go, or else he's not taking their advice, in which case he needs to rethink things.
I guess what I mean is that I think he thought that there could be some compromise for the good of the country. I thought there would be. I never guessed there would be such a divide and an aura of just not working together even on the small things to get the country moving. It seems to me that if the common good of the country was at stake then both parties would come together and work together to move us forward. We all agree we are in a mess now and yet we cannot seem to move forward at all. Even if what the Democrats propose isn't what the Republicans want and vice versa, wouldn't it be for the good of the country to try something, anything to work together to put things on the right track? For the constituents, for the country. But it is about party and digging in and it seems that we won't ever get things on track because each party only wants what they want and not what is good for all of us. Or at least that is what it seems to me. I may be looking through rose colored glasses but I think it is what I had hoped for.
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Of course I will NOT vote for Obama. He is a joke. I realy, really hope and pray that anyone who is seriously even considerng voting for him take the time to think and undertand what damage he has done to our country! It was not Bush's fault, it was his fault. No reasonable adult could possibly think otherwise!!!
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Of course I will NOT vote for Obama. He is a joke. I realy, really hope and pray that anyone who is seriously even considerng voting for him take the time to think and undertand what damage he has done to our country! It was not Bush's fault, it was his fault. No reasonable adult could possibly think otherwise!!!
It is my opinion that NO REASONABLE ADULT could possibly think that Obama could have caused the stock market to crash when he was not even elected to be president yet. Sorry but the bottom fell out of this country way before Obama was even elected. Where were YOU?
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It is my opinion that NO REASONABLE ADULT could possibly think that Obama could have caused the stock market to crash when he was not even elected to be president yet. Sorry but the bottom fell out of this country way before Obama was even elected. Where were YOU?
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Couponsrock, you are correct!

Sometimes I wonder if people are dealing with reality. The country has been in decline for more than two years....how can this be the current presidents fault? I hear people say that the stimulus didn't work out and it is President Obama's fault.....I seem to remember that Pres. Bush was president when the stimulus bill was passed.

This is the thinking that has stopped the country from progressing. The country is not in a mess because of what has been done in the last two years.....the previous years before the last two years is where it began. Let's be real here. Again, jmo.


Edited to add: What damage to this country are people who are voting for President Obama not seeing? I am not being snarky....just curious.
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It is my opinion that NO REASONABLE ADULT could possibly think that Obama could have caused the stock market to crash when he was not even elected to be president yet. Sorry but the bottom fell out of this country way before Obama was even elected. Where were YOU?
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I guess what I mean is that I think he thought that there could be some compromise for the good of the country. I thought there would be. I never guessed there would be such a divide and an aura of just not working together even on the small things to get the country moving. It seems to me that if the common good of the country was at stake then both parties would come together and work together to move us forward. We all agree we are in a mess now and yet we cannot seem to move forward at all. Even if what the Democrats propose isn't what the Republicans want and vice versa, wouldn't it be for the good of the country to try something, anything to work together to put things on the right track? For the constituents, for the country. But it is about party and digging in and it seems that we won't ever get things on track because each party only wants what they want and not what is good for all of us. Or at least that is what it seems to me. I may be looking through rose colored glasses but I think it is what I had hoped for.
Look up "starve the beast" policy, pushed forward by Grover Norquist. A large majority of congress on the Republican side have signed a contract with him. This is a policy that goes back years and is finally being enacted by those in power, where they can. I call it treason perhaps, or maybe just sedition. But there is not going to be any compromises and there never was going to be. I'm running out the door or I would give you a link or two. If you can't find it let me know and I'll see what I can find tomorrow.
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Look up "starve the beast" policy, pushed forward by Grover Norquist. A large majority of congress on the Republican side have signed a contract with him. This is a policy that goes back years and is finally being enacted by those in power, where they can. I call it treason perhaps, or maybe just sedition. But there is not going to be any compromises and there never was going to be. I'm running out the door or I would give you a link or two. If you can't find it let me know and I'll see what I can find tomorrow.
I agree.....there will never be any compromise but I had hope that someone would see that in the best interest of this country and to put Americans back to work, we needed to work together. I am naive, I guess.

I just thought that no matter who was in power, that those elected would do what they promised and get us out of this mess. But instead, they have dug in their heels and said we won't do anything and then point fingers and say it is all "his" fault. Sigh. Makes you want to move out of the country.....

Interesting articles on "Starve the Beast":

Economist's View: "Starve the Beast: Just Bull, not Good Economics"

Do Tax Cuts Starve the Beast?

Thanks, Wildwood!
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Fortunately, Obama will only have his one term to damage the country, but I wish to God that he had never been elected.

Unfortunately, he will be leaving the country in MUCH, MUCH worse shape for the next president
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Interesting articles on "Starve the Beast":

Economist's View: "Starve the Beast: Just Bull, not Good Economics"

Do Tax Cuts Starve the Beast?

Thanks, Wildwood![/quote]

Norquist favors dramatically reducing the size of the government. He has been noted for his widely quoted quip: "I don't want to abolish government. I simply want to reduce it to the size where I can drag it into the bathroom and drown it in the bathtub."

To me, this quote is sedition. He does indeed, want to drown it in a bathtub. He, and most Republicans, want to do away with government. No regulations on corporations, no regulations on the environment, no regulation of the stock market, or banking, no taxes to speak of, no labor laws, no social security, no medicare, no medicaid, reform tort laws until there is no ability to sue for damages if a corporation produces a dangerous product or sends out contaminated food, no unions, a militaristic government, (because that would be the only thing government would do), lobbyists and the wealthy would rule our lives.

Forget womens's rights, heck forget human rights, and there would be no recourse in the courts for discrimination of any kind. Forget religious freedom. The drug war would be expanded and there would be more jails built, but who would pay for them, there are no tax revenues? Somehow I suspect they might find the taxes for the jails. The only other thing that would be regulated aside from military is who we could have sex with and how. Oh, and what kind of fines should be put on a company that allows a naked breast to be shown on TV, even if done accidentally.

I know much of this sounds out in left field, (pun intended), but if you take them one by one and think back, you will find that each has been under attack in some form or another for some time now.
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I saw on TV last night that more people are in favor of a made up president, over Barack Obama. That was not the exact term they used. IOW, my dog could run right now and be voted in over BO.

I just don't agree with his policies at all. How in the world can throwing more money down the drain help our country??
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I feel like Obama is Bush 2.0 Would need someone to challenge the status quo!
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