I ammmmm so happy and over joyed, to all the man and women who have served and sadly to those here and in Iraq who have lost their lives and all the 806 billions of dollars as of today that has been spent. This is one happy day for America, thanks so much President Obama I am dearly proud.....Peace to all ....and keep those troops safe till they return home to their loved ones........

Not starting a debate with you BUT here are a few facts to remember with this one:

1) The American withdrawal by the end of 2011 was sealed in a deal between the two countries when George W. Bush was president.

President Barack Obama announces total Iraq troop withdrawal | NOLA.com

2) ALL of the American troops are NOT coming home by then because they are still leaving at least 160 troops that will be attached to the U.S. Embassy. As well as, there will still be 5,000 security contractors and personnel that will be tasked with helping protect American diplomats and facilities.

US 'to announce full withdrawal of troops from Iraq' - Telegraph


As long as we have even ONE soldier with boots on the ground in Iraq, there will still be families here that are worried/concerned about their loved one.

Littlewolf may I kindly remind you President Obama is the president and he will bring the troops home, I do know that about 160 will remain, very sad for them and hope that they do not have to remain there long. As far as this war is concerned I am so happy it is coming to a end...A war us as Americans were lied to by the ex President Bush...He fought a war by trampling human rights, he enriched the already rich..The Bush years were the ultimate test of trickle down economics...Bush lied to us into Bush, The Bush administration ignored or dismissed mountains of evidence that showed that Saddam was not building an arsenal of chemical or nuclear weapons. As a result this war has cost our country nearly 806 Billion dollars and has cost the lives of so many thousands of Americans and also wounded countless thousands, and of course all the 100,000 deaths of Iraqi civilians...This will certaintely be a lovely Christmas for so many people. God bless them all and keep them safe till they return to their loved ones....Peace...Catherine Ooops and forgot to add it was under the Obama Administration that Osama Bin Laden and Muammar Gaddafi were killed...

Catherine, I know probably better than you that President Obama is the President right now. I was simply pointing out to you that this deal was already secured while Former President George W. Bush was in office. In other words, this administration cannot take FULL credit for it.

As far as Bin Laden, I am not even going to touch that one.....

But I am going to ask HOW you can give credit to President Obama for the death of Gaddafi??? It was FRENCH warplanes that carried out the airstrikes and NOT American warplanes. Someone correct me if I am wrong BUT I do not think that Obama is the President of France OR has that changed in the last 72 hours???

"At one point, a convoy tried to flee and was hit by NATO airstrikes, carried out by French warplanes. France's Defense Minister Gerard Longuet said the 80-vehicle convoy was carrying Gaddafi and was trying to escape the city. The strikes stopped the convoy but did not destroy it, and then revolutionary fighters moved in on the vehicle carrying Gaddafi."

Muammar Gaddafi Killed, Captured In Sirte: (GRAPHIC VIDEO)

And I am curious WHY it is okay with you that we had any dealings with the situation in Libya, BUT not okay with you that we had dealings in Iraq?? Wouldn't you think that Saddam was just as bad of a person as Gaddafi??? If you are willing to "toot the horn" for Gaddafi's death, why not "toot the horn" for Saddam's death as well? Oh, that's right, to do that would be giving credit to Bush for helping oust a monster as well.



Words of thought for you from both an Operation Iraqi Freedom AND Operation Enduring Freedom veteran: Remember that 865 billion dollars were spent to fight a war over 10 years versus the spending of ONE TRILLION dollars to save bankers within the last two years. GUESS WHO has been in office for the last two years??? May I kindly remind you of the name: Obama???

I will simply say this I know you know who the president is, so sorry for that. However our troops are coming home under Obama not Bush. It was BUSH WHO STARTED THIS WAR, not Obama....We as Americans need to stop worrying about other countries and worry about us first, we have so many problems, we need to take care of ourselves first and foremost..As far as Libya is concerned I know what happened but it happened under the Obama administration and for that I am happy... As far as all the money being spent, again who started it?????? who put us in the financial mess we are????. Yes I know it was not entirely Bush's fault as it is a trickled down effect, however when he entered into office we as a nation had a surplus when he left we were in deficit. As far as Bin Laden that evil man may he rot in hell for all of eternity that goes for all these evil dictators, I sincerely feel sorry for the people who have to live under these men. I have spoke my speak, I will always be a proud liberal democrat, I started this thread for one simple reason, I am indeed happy our troops are coming home, if anyone wants to continue talking on the subject kindly do so. I am done, do not want this thread to get out of hand.Peace and prayers for our troops till they arrive home safe....Catherine

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Thanks for pointing out the reality of the situation, Little Wolfe.

The plan has always been to bring them home now. Obama is really just carrying out a plan that has been set for many years. He could've accelerated it and said he would bring them home sooner, or put the brakes on it and kept them there until 2012... but he did neither. He just stuck with the plan. I guess he can have 'credit' for it if somebody thinks they need to give it to him, but... this isn't something he came up with as a gift to America or anything.

And you're right about the TRILLION dollars to save the bankers behinds and make sure they got their bonuses. I think the Occupy folks have no clear cut message... or rather, I think that they may not really GET - because they seem to be left-winged liberals (is that what they are called? Left-winged?) is that it was Obama who bailed out the bankers to the tune of the trillion... and the bankers are not necessarily right-winged conservatives. Folks like the GE pres, Obama's key economic adviser, made GAZILLIONS off of the stimulus.

Yep.

Guh.
Zillions.

May I kindly remind you that TARP (bank bailout) was enacted by the Bush administration, NOT Obama.

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- Stephen Colbert.

You are right ..but the Obama adminstration was in control of the second half of the funds.
Bush to Ask for TARP; Obama to 'Rebrand' It - ABC News ..date of the article Jan. 12, 2009
"This morning, President-elect Obama asked President Bush to formally notify Congress, on his behalf, of his intent to exercise the authority... to access the last tranche of $350 billion in funding for Treasury programs addressing the financial crisis," White House spokeswoman Dana Perino said. "President Bush agreed to the President-elect's request."

Interestingly, some of the bank bailouts did not result in a financial loss for the US. They were repaid. I don't have a ready recollection of the specifics, and don't have time to go find sources for those assertions... but for some of those bank deals, the US actually MADE money.

Now Solyndra.... that's a different story.....

A little backpedaling...

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- Stephen Colbert.

No one person is responsible for the mess we are in!
And fighting about who's to blame does nobody any good.

You are either part of the solution, or you're part of the problem. You choose which you want to be.

Blind adoration and admiration for any one POTUS (or any person for that matter) is naive and short-sighted.

Now, back to the regular sniping and bickering

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You're correct, Marilyn.

And from my point of view, a lot of this was totally out of our control.

Much of the world that we do business with is experiencing economic crisis. We're experiencing the growing pains of moving from being an economy based on manufacturing to one based on information. Huge shifts have taken place globally that are causing all sorts of internal issues for a lot of nations. We 'mourn' the loss of the manufacturing sector because we think that's where the spoils are. Japan enthusiastically gets rid of the manufacturing sector because they see those as low-wage jobs that they'd rather not hang onto. We don't know what to do with the imbalance, but regardless.... we, along with many other nations, are going to be 'victims' to it until it all settles out in the wash.

I will say, however...

I do think that presidents and their policies can have long term implications that can serve us well or potentially lead us to the brink of crisis. FDR's WPA projects were spendy, but the jobs they provided were not just jobs for the sake of jobs... they created much of our public infrastructure. It was a very focused plan for highways and byways and the like. It was money well spent.

I dare say that the gazillions of dollars of debt we took on supposedly to get us out of an economic crisis this time around - aka Obama's stimulus plan - will NOT have the same long-term benefits. WHERE has that money gone? What did we get for it????

And speaking of FDR... his New Deal created Social Security, and it's a line item in our budget - an entitlement we have to honor - and it very well may send us over the brink in a few years. He didn't anticipate that people would start living longer and that the pool of recipients would outpace the pool of those funding the retirements of the recipients. There is a lot of truth to the notion that it is a ponzi scheme.

In other words... some broad, sweeping programs presidents enact really can and do impact what happens to a nation for the long haul. That's why I think it was insane for congress to enact sweeping health care legislation that nobody even had time to read. It literally has the potential to be as big a deal as the New Deal... and it just happened so fast. BAM.

But do I believe that decision is responsible for TODAY'S economic crisis? No. I just think it will cause a big one down the line.

Dearly sorry but had to come back and write this, first off I never said Obama was the perfect president, I also firmly believe he never ever got a chance based on his race and that is fact. Second I so so wish that at least one republican will admit that BUSH started the war, it was a huge mistake, but nope I will never hear those words.Sorry but Bush only made the rich more richer, I personally feel Obama is for the middle class and people below that.........Peace to our troops till they come home..........

It is your OPINION that Obama didn't get a chance because of his race! It is not fact.

No one has denied that Bush declared this war. Was it a mistake? Only time will tell.

Continuing to lay blame won't help anything

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Marilyn if you sincerely believe that Obama did not even get a chance because of his color, sorry dear, you are right on many things and very smart, however it is a known fact that racism still exists in our country and more then that how many black people voted for him just because he was black and how many did not vote for him because he was black. Actually to me while he looks black because of his dad being from Africa, he is indeed not 100 percent black he is biracial and therefore should never had been considered the first black president, they are going by what they see on the outside...As far as blame goes sorry but again BUSH started it and it never should have happened, did Obama start the war no he did not.....How many more times may I repeat myself....Even with the troops coming over......I know Obama still has many more obstacle's to face, especially when we finally retreat. Leaving 160 servicemen or women there is not enough and I fear for the safety of them and what will happen to Iraq. I also fear what will happen to Iran and Afghanistan and how they will react..Only time will tell for sure...peace for our troops to come home safely to their loved ones.....Catherine

*sigh*

of course racism still exists. There is no denying that.
But, if racism was truly a factor Obama would not have been elected in the first place.
Furthermore, slinging around the racism/racist word seems to me to be a way of giving Obama a free pass for the things he hasn't done! It's an excuse.

Actually, the rumblings of war in the MidEast began many years ago--Long before EITHER Bush was elected POTUS. Yes, Bush II declared war. But, you know what? Bush didn't do it all by himself. And, another thing: Since the rumblings of war started before he was even in office, perhaps he did what was necessary at the time. I don't know. I wasn't privy to every bit of information (and neither were you).

Try, and I know this is not something you are good at, look at everything objectively. Quit making excuses. Quit laying blame. Take off the rose-colored glasses. Obama, regardless of ethnicity, has not lived up to his promises.

Frankly, I know not why I try to engage in meaningful discourse with you!

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I am so happy for all of the troops who are coming home and all of their families. Regardless of who did/didn't do what, bottom line...they are coming home!

Marilyn, I have to agree with you - sometime in the future when the Freedom of Information Act no longer prevents the release of privileged information, it will be interesting to see what was known by the administration that we were not privy to. In all the hysterical screaming about BUSH and HALLIBURTON and WAR (capped for effect!), I think people lose sight of the understanding that any president at all absolutely has to feel the gravity of the decision to send troops into battle. I can't imagine any of our presidents - even those with whom I vehemently would have disagreed on policy and philosophy - would do as is so often suggested that Bush did - send in our men for his own personal financial gain.

I can't imagine what it takes to hurl such a heartless accusation at anyone who has to bear that weight.

And Lucy, do you have a clue about the role of congress in the authorization of a war? Do you recall the makeup of congress at the time this war was started?

And I have to say... my recollection was that when we toppled Saddam, there was more rejoicing than we saw last week in Libya. It was a big, big deal to rid the world of an evil mass murderer who had been in violation of the cease fire to which they had agreed at the end of the gulf war. A big, big deal.

Was it the right decision? Who knows. But it's certainly easy to be snotty and play backseat driver after we've already been on the road for ten years. This journey began when we as a nation were embattled on every level - militarily, internally, emotionally... everything was raw, everything that was 'wrong' was coming from an area of the world that was a hotbed of terrorism, and Iraq sat right there in the middle of it, not actively engaged in aggression, but defiantly refusing to follow through - or at the very least to provide evidence that they had followed through - with requirements of the cease fire. Powell says today that he was not confident that they had enough information. Others on the Bush team felt that there was. That's typical - there will always be conflicts when you are dealing with that many heavy-hitting powerful individuals. But the bottom line is that Iraq did not provide the proof that the cease fire obligated them to prove - that they had destroyed any and all 'ingredients' they possessed that could be used to make a nuclear weapon.

We had just been through 9 / 11, and we knew Iraq was still our enemy and that they had not provided the proof of disarmament that they had promised to provide, and they were flagrantly doing things like shooting down our unmanned drones - drones that were supposed to be there per the cease fire.

I can't know those things and put my head in the sand and say that Bush had no reason to send in troops. Was that ENOUGH reason? That's open for debate. Fine. But to impugn him so nastily is behavior that is just... crude, in my opinion. No American president, liberal or conservative, would ever, ever take the sending of troops in so flippantly as has been implied here.

I do not want to argue with anyone here , can it not be that I just have my personal views on the subject as you all do. I am sorry I do not like Bush and never will, that is my personal view. I am not a conservative republican and ever will be. Can we all just agree our country is in a mess and that it is time for our troops to come home. Marilyn you certaintely can engage in a conversation with me, why not I have not been rude so please do not be rude thanks so much. I firmly believe what ever our poltical views may be, in the end we all want the same thing, for our country not to be in any more wars, to not spread more bloodshed....I have stated many times before I know Obama has made some mistakes but again, he did not start off with a clean slate either.......It was Bush who entered into a war where we did not belong, it is what I believe and I will hold him responsible, Peace to our troops till them come home .Catherine

TO wow concerning Saddam fully agree he needed to go horrible monster of a man, no doubt that, but wow how many more wars do we need to enter to rid the world of this horrible dictators and at what cost. Do you not agree we need to stop worrying about us as Americans first?????????peace

Having an opinion isn't an issue--stating that your opinion is FACT is a major issue!

And that's where one can't engage in a rational conversation with you, or any one who isn't willing or able to distinguish between fact and their own personal opinion(s).

Narrowing your focus to blame one person, and not see that there could be others that are to blame doesn't encourage or allow for any conversation.

Fmr Presidents had some culpability in the position that Fmr President Bush II found his administration in. Just like events and circumstances from years ago has caused the economical situation we find ourselves in.

No one person or event is solely responsible for this mess.

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Lucy, you are being short-sighted.

There are times when getting rid of people we believe are a threat to our national security is necessary for 'us' to worry about 'Americans'.

Whether or not that was necessary in the case of Iraq can certainly be debated, and I think anyone is being entirely disingenuous if they say they know, with certainty, whether or not that was an appropriate move. Those who say it was not do not have access to any classified documents that the administration had at the time. And do not forget: Congress - including our current Secretary of State, who was on the defense committee at the time (if memory serves me well) believed that she had seen enough information to vote to give Bush the authority to move into Iraq.

We have no clue what Bush knew. We have no clue what Hillary knew. All we know is that JOINTLY, both sides were required to seal the deal, and both sides participated.

Yes, Bush was President at the time. No doubt about that. But it was a decision that he could not have made without the backing of Democrats in Congress.

They all believed it was in our national interest to topple Saddam.

And it took very little time to get rid of him. It was the aftermath that took the most time. I hear complaints that Bush didn't have a 'plan for the peace', and I have to say... what President does in that situation? 9 / 11 happened quickly. Iraq was not responsible for 9/11, but we were headed into the Middle East - into a nation that is right there by Iraq - to demolish the Taliban and try to find Bin Laden. And right along the border there we were going to be looking straight up the barrel at Saddam Hussein, the madman who was supposed to pony up the evidence that he had destroyed his nuclear 'ingredients' and had played cat and mouse with us and refused to do so.

Is it any wonder that Bush and Congress were freaked out at the thought of trying to fight a war with that many troops (in Afghanistan) that far from our shores, sitting there in Afghanistan just waiting for Saddam to hit them with dirty bombs, biological warfare, or worse - a nuke?

You're being short-sighted to assume that the only way to do things for America is to give our tax dollars to the poor. Sometimes, what *has* to be done for America is unpleasant. Sometimes, we have to fight wars. It sucks, but it is what it is.

Marilyn I disagree that we cannot have a conversation just because it is my personal view on the subject, am I not allowed to speak my own personal views on the subject at hand, why must it be a problem between me and you. I have listened to you, somethings I agree some others I do not. I do not agree with the war and never will, but we truly can continue to talk so lets try okay. Wow like I said I agree we needed to get rid of Saddam and their are many others I would like to see dead as well. I truly feel deeply sorry for any people of these countries to have to live under such circumstances I feel so blessed to be American. However I stand firm and still believe we must, we truly must take care of ourselves first....I am not a bad person because I do not like Bush as I know there are millions out there just like me.YOu are not a bad person because you behind Bush, we just plain have different views...However for me again I am so happy that this war is finally ending and sincerely hope and pray for the future that it does not happen again, and yes wow I totally agree with you wars suck.........peace to our troops please bring them home safe.....Catherine

It's not that you aren't allowed to voice an opinion. I never said that.
What I said was, you voiced your opinion stating that it was a FACT.
That's where I have a problem with anyone.

It seems that you are basing your opinion on misinformation or assumptions. And you aren't willing to at least acknowledge that information others present to you could at least be correct. That is what is frustrating.

No one has asked you to "like" Fmr President Bush. I don't like Fmr President Bush--didn't like him when he was Governor of Texas! But, it is unfair and ignorant to lay all the blame for the US's problems at the feet of one man.

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Yes!! Thank you for this post, marilynk!! I was trying<in vain it seems> to have an informative conversation with Catherine earlier in this post BUT the result of that was nasty grams from her.

I agree with you about the unfair and ignorant part of laying the blame at any one man's feet. There have been MANY over the years that have helped create the issues that we as a country are facing right now.

Exactly.

We used to have a poster here who would scream (virtually, of course) that Laura Bush was a murderer every time she had the chance. That was in reference to the accident she caused when she was a high school student that resulted in the death of a classmate. No matter what anyone pointed out - that it was fifty years ago, that Laura Bush was a new driver, a child herself, that she expressed feelings of remorse and embarrassment and pain and shame, all that poster could do was say, "SHE'S A MURDERER!!!"

How do you have a conversation with that?

Both sides have to present their position in a way that invites discussion. To just spout things as 'facts' when they are positions is what politicians do when they are campaigning or trying to sway public opinion... and that's fine for that purpose, but when you say you want to 'discuss' something, it's not a discussion if either or both parties just state opinions as though they are facts and never offer an explanation as to 'why' that is something that can be discussed.

Direct example for you, Lucy...

You said that Obama has not been given a chance because he is black and racists won't let him advance his agenda (my paraphrase).

Don't just SAY that.

If you BELIEVE it to be true, fine... but support that belief with something. Not just a single, ad hoc event in which you think a person or small group of people insulted his race, because that wouldn't be enough to hold the most powerful person in the world back from an agenda. Heck, this guy got the health care bill and the stimulus bill he wanted passed - the two BIGGEST things that were on his agenda when he campaigned, so to assume that a racist remark here or there caused him to keep from 'moving forward' just... I just don't see it.

I want specifics, not just a hit-and-run statement like the one you made. Without an explanation for your assertion, there is nothing to discuss.

I'm overjoyed at the prospect of the troops not being in the MidEast--however, it is just a prospect at this point. I will only believe it when I actually see it.

And while I don't agree with, and didn't agree with this war--I have a dear, dear friend who spent a tour or two there. He was not a "grunt" or ground soldier. Because of his rank, he had the task of helping prepare the Iraqis to stand on their own. I believe in what he did. I believe in the tasks and jobs that he engaged in. I hope against hope that the work he, and others like him, did won't be wasted.

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Marilyn you said I was entitled to have my personal views, and that is just it my personal views, whether you choose to believe that are not actual facts I do, Bush entered into a war, when he should have not, they did not find any mass weapons of destruction, correct me if I am wrong, but is that not a fact????. As far as all the mess our country is in and whether or not Bush is to totally blame for it, perhaps I can lessen up a bit, as I know from president to president agenda's get carried down and problems are passed down. However whether you view it as personal or fact for me , I consider him to be the worst president plain and simple. Now for Wowitsdark as we all know now, from your posts, you always go into great detail, and you posts sites and such, you know by now that is not my style at all. I want to say it as short as possible unless I feel the particular subject needs more addressing....I already spoke about some of the reasons I believe Bush started this war and also about the fact that Iraq were not hiding any mass means of weapon distruction...If you feel that I must supply more evidence to proof my personal views, I have and I am not the type of person, like you who writes some really long posts. Does not make you a bad person, not does it make me one . So if you feel I did not and do not want to discuss the issue further with me then so be, no hard feelings....Peace for the safe return of our troops.....Catherine

*sigh*
It's like talking to my teenage son--except at some point he gets it!

What we all are saying is: OPINION based on thoughts, feelings, etc. doesn't have to have any evidence to back it up. FACTS are verified by evidence.

You have spouted your opinion as it being "fact".

Is it that hard for you to grasp?
Is it so very difficult to NOT put words in other posters' mouths?

*sigh*
I give up! I get less frustration discussing world events, and opinion vs. fact with my teenager....

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Lucy,

My point is simply this: You can make a statement of opinion, but if you state it as though it were a fact and you are then unwilling to support it with reasons that go deeper than, "It's my opinion!" there is nothing to 'discuss'.

To be honest, I don't get the feeling you know why you think what you think. It seems like a knee-jerk reaction because Bush was not a left-winged democrat.

As to the WMD's... who knows? Were we provided proof of them? No. Is there more to the story? It's anyone's guess. Hillary Clinton also made that push - that they existed, and that she had no doubt about it. What do you think of that?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwWA2ehTOrk

come...join me...let's discuss this with my son. It will be less frustrating. I promise! LoL

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Raising hand!! May I join as well please?

sure!
I'm usually amazed at the insight he has on subjects.

We have some pretty interesting discussions!

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Marilyn you are being extremely rude I have dearly tired to be nice, I have explained myself and will explain myself anymore, it is very rude to tell me that talking to me is like talking to one of your children, must you be so rude, but yes you have the right, so glad I am not rude, nothing new here for sure, same old stuff, same posts, same rude comments . However let me stop you before you say I am being picked on, it goes beyond that, it is plain rude and you and littlewolf know it. Tired to have a normal conversation but as usual it turns into another Catherine post...now all I need is for Deddlastt to come in and perhaps one another person and we are complete. However I will always be the better person, I still wish all peace, it is so much better to be nice, it takes very little work....Peace to our troops till they return home safe....

It's my OPINION that talking to you is like talking to a child.
It's my OPINION that you hide your rudeness behind passive-aggressive behaviour.

That's all my OPINION. Expressing my OPINION can't be rude, I have not stated it as fact! Stating your OPINION is what you do all the time.

I think you're rude to ignore FACTS that are pointed out to you, and negate what you have said.

I am nice. I am extremely nice--just ask anyone who actually knows me.

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Then if your happy with your opinion fine......Peace to our troops ......

Let's get something PERFECTLY crystal clear in a way that maybe even YOU will understand it, Catherine. I tried my best at the beginning of this lengthy thread to have a DECENT conversation with you BUT as usual, you turned it into one of your I "hate" Bush and everything he stands for threads. YOU sent me a PM telling me that I was causing TROUBLE on your thread. Yet, at the time, I had only posted TWO things to it that disputed what you were saying at the time.

Marilynk stated that her son was a TEENAGER so I am sure he has a multitude of opinions and thoughts about things. Personally, I find it refreshing to hear opinions/thoughts from the younger generation.

It would be nice IF you would actually research things that you are talking about instead of allowing emotions to lead you.

Littlewolf, admit it and tell the truth , the whole truth and nothing but the truth, you do not like me, because you know of me from the other coupon website, will not post any sites, but Littlewolf clearly knows what I am talking about, since a thread was started this , and just like here, she decided to enter into a thread about me and speak bad of me. So you do not lie further and pretend to act like a nice person, you saw my name and decided to jump on the band wagon and cause further trouble. See I told ya this would turn yet into another rude thread against Catherine same story over and over. Sad however because this was supposed to be a happy thread to announce hopefully that our troops will arrive home safely by the end of the year. Peace that our troops come home safe....

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Funny Marilyn just the comments and now your new signature line and the old one you had for me.....real funny.....not just plain rude........rude to the core.....but again still wish you peace and peace to our troops until they return home for Christmas....Catherine

But... did you have any opinions about the Hillary video?

Easier to call me rude, issue an opinion instead of addressing the evidence.

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No can do, why???... because I will no longer feed the trolls..Sincerely sorry to other members here for having once again a thread started by me..going way off into a totally different directions. Mods kindly please lock this thread, thanks so much...Peace. Catherine

No can do... what? Talk about the Hillary video? If so... that was a serious attempt to get the thread back on topic on my part.

I'm delighted they are coming home - I just hope they can maintain some semblance of peace in Iraq once America is gone.

There will never be peace in the middle east. I'm glad our troops are coming home, but it will never be over. There will always be something going on and that is just the way it is. Whether we continue to become involved is the question I suppose. I guess we must to some degree for our own protection. The decision to go there was not just Bush's decision initially. That is a fact. Interesting discussion ladies. As usual. :0)

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I just hate when she does that - LOL

Any response that she doesn't like is "causing TROUBLE"

Oh, and Catherine, don't bother sending me one cause I won't respond.

I don't know whether to be honored or offended....I've never gotten an PM from her. And I'm a big trouble-maker.

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Mental that one, I'm telling you. ---Ron Weasley, "Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets"