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Old 12-02-2011, 12:28 PM
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Old 12-02-2011, 03:34 PM
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Very well spoken,nice looking man. Not that it matters ,but I can't help but wonder if he's straight or gay.
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Old 12-02-2011, 04:00 PM
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Very well spoken,nice looking man. Not that it matters ,but I can't help but wonder if he's straight or gay.
It seems to matter to you.

He has been raised by two parents that love him, provided him with a stable upbringing, provided him with the tools he needed to be a responsible, caring, functioning and contributing member of society...that's all that matters.
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Well, presumably he's gay, because children always inherit the same sexual orientation as their parents . . . right?

Whoever he loves, I think he should have the right for his relationship or relationships to be legally recognized.

Canada legalized gay marriage close to ten years ago, and some people were really happy because they got more legal rights in their relationships, and that was really the only thing that changed. I think some kids were happier because it was easier for them to be places in loving homes, or still see both parents after a marriage ended, too. It's not like crime rose, or people got meaner or anything.
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Old 12-03-2011, 09:24 AM
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I don't know what people are afraid of. Marriage equality benefits the whole society. If a person doesn't like or agree with gay marriage then don't marry someone the same sex as you. My marriage is strong I know allowing other people to share in the bond of marriage will not weaken my marriage or any other in any way.
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Old 12-03-2011, 12:07 PM
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well, presumably he's gay, because children always inherit the same sexual orientation as their parents . . . Right?

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Old 12-03-2011, 12:11 PM
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I don't know what people are afraid of. Marriage equality benefits the whole society. If a person doesn't like or agree with gay marriage then don't marry someone the same sex as you. My marriage is strong I know allowing other people to share in the bond of marriage will not weaken my marriage or any other in any way.
Well said! I think that Kardashian 'marriage' does more harm than anything gay marriage would.....

I think that if you are lucky enough to find someone who is amazing and wonderful and that loves you back, it doesn't matter what gender they are.
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I think it is great and wonderful and see no problems here, and I also do not believe that gay people who raise a child, that their child will turn out to be gay. Who ever believes that, it is not true. I totally believe when your born, you are born the way your suppossed to be..........
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Not trying to confuse you, wildwood, just feeling a bit irritable, and sarcastic recently. I'm replying to the question about the son's orientation, and the oddly wide-spread belief that gay parents will raise gay children. I've never had someone who feels that way manage to explain why heterosexual parents don't always raise heterosexual kids.
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Old 12-05-2011, 08:51 AM
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My boss is a lesbian and raising twins with her partner. (Partner had the babies.) My boss and her partner are wonderful, loving people.

Those two little babies get so much love, attention and guidance from not only the Mamas, but the whole family. They are getting an awesome start in life, which is what matters the most.
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Old 12-05-2011, 12:23 PM
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Not trying to confuse you, wildwood, just feeling a bit irritable, and sarcastic recently. I'm replying to the question about the son's orientation, and the oddly wide-spread belief that gay parents will raise gay children. I've never had someone who feels that way manage to explain why heterosexual parents don't always raise heterosexual kids.
Sorry, sarcasm can be hard to detect at times. Irritable? Join the club. My computer crashed and I'm using an old one that is so slow that it takes about a minute for it catch up with what I've typed. GRRRR!

I've never understood why people have to be stigmatized for something that is not a choice, (who would willingly subject themselves to the rejection and discrimination), and for wanting what most of us want. Loving relationships, jobs, family and a decent life.
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For me life is way to short to judge, what should be first and foremost at all times, is that the child is loved. Also if that child is loved by 2 women or 2 men, who truly cares. The upmost concern is the care and love and well being of the child. Love should be spread and not divided, at least that is how I feel about the topic.


If I had to choice between one male and one female to raise and care for a child, and then abuse the child, the I would opt for the same sex. It does not matter and should never matter. Same goes if it were the same sex and abuse happened I would opt for the other suitutation. I am much more concerned for the best care of a child, that should always be first in my book.
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For me life is way to short to judge, what should be first and foremost at all times, is that the child is loved. Also if that child is loved by 2 women or 2 men, who truly cares. The upmost concern is the care and love and well being of the child. Love should be spread and not divided, at least that is how I feel about the topic.


If I had to choice between one male and one female to raise and care for a child, and then abuse the child, the I would opt for the same sex. It does not matter and should never matter. Same goes if it were the same sex and abuse happened I would opt for the other suitutation. I am much more concerned for the best care of a child, that should always be first in my book.
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Your response to my statement makes no sense at all. Can you kindly please explain yourself, I have noticed the ill, you mention that a lot.

Back to topic at hand all that really matters is that 2 people love each other and care for the best well being of a child, that to me is most important.
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For me life is way to short to judge, what should be first and foremost at all times, is that the child is loved. Also if that child is loved by 2 women or 2 men, who truly cares. The upmost concern is the care and love and well being of the child. Love should be spread and not divided, at least that is how I feel about the topic.


If I had to choice between one male and one female to raise and care for a child, and then abuse the child, the I would opt for the same sex. It does not matter and should never matter. Same goes if it were the same sex and abuse happened I would opt for the other suitutation. I am much more concerned for the best care of a child, that should always be first in my book.




What exactly are you saying in this second paragraph??? If you had to choose between one male and one female abusing a child you would prefer the same sex???? Huh??? Seriously not understanding this train of thought at all. Could you clarify?
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I guess it does matter to me because I would be concerned of how my child felt about it.I honestly think that most children while growing up with their peers would prefer to have a female mom and a male dad like all the other kids.If I was lesbian (which I'm not) I would not want to subject my kid to
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Old 12-09-2011, 04:09 PM
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All that really matters to children is that they know that they are loved by many.....same sex or opposite sex...studies have not proven that it is harmful for a child to have parents of the same sex raise them.

Children take their cues on behavior and thinking from the adults in their lives. If they grow up with prejudices and bigotry and fear put upon them, they will behave that way towards others....if they are raised with acceptance and care, they will treat others the same way. Again, JMO
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Old 12-09-2011, 04:20 PM
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I guess it does matter to me because I would be concerned of how my child felt about it.I honestly think that most children while growing up with their peers would prefer to have a female mom and a male dad like all the other kids.If I was lesbian (which I'm not) I would not want to subject my kid to
any bad consequences that might arise from having lesbian parents.
I honestly think that most children while growing up with their peers would prefer to have two people who love them, regardless of gender. Would you say the same thing about interracial marriage? Those kids get a ration of crap from idiots too. No matter what your circumstances are, some peer is going to find a way to be a moron about it.
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Children take their cues on behavior and thinking from the adults in their lives. If they grow up with prejudices and bigotry and fear put upon them, they will behave that way towards others....if they are raised with acceptance and care, they will treat others the same way. Again, JMO
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Would you say the same thing about interracial marriage? Those kids get a ration of crap from idiots too. No matter what your circumstances are, some peer is going to find a way to be a moron about it.
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I really don't care what others do,what matters to me is what I do.The same with interacial marriage.What they do is their business,as for myself it's not for me.
If lesbians want to raise children thats their business,again it only matters when it comes to my own actions.I wouldn't do it,but if anyone else wants to , I could care less.It's none of my business.
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Good point Dollydeal, it really is none of our business, what works for some people and they are comfortable then so be. We are all different, we all think different we all have different views on some subjects..


In the end for me it truly is none of my concern, however I personally do not see anything wrong with the idea at all, not to keep repeating myself, but life is too short and as long as the child is well taken care, is loved is natured, is happy, then I am happy.
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Old 12-10-2011, 09:45 PM
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I really don't care what others do,what matters to me is what I do.The same with interacial marriage.What they do is their business,as for myself it's not for me.
If lesbians want to raise children thats their business,again it only matters when it comes to my own actions.I wouldn't do it,but if anyone else wants to , I could care less.It's none of my business.
But....they should have the legal right to adopt/foster children, and raise children.

Some states do not allow gay/lesbian to be adoptive or foster parents.

While you say you don't care, it isn't your business, etc. It really is, because if a state is willing to tell gays/lesbians they can't be parents, then it's a slippery slope to when/if the govt. makes those kind of decisions for the rest of society.
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But....they should have the legal right to adopt/foster children, and raise children.

Some states do not allow gay/lesbian to be adoptive or foster parents.

While you say you don't care, it isn't your business, etc. It really is, because if a state is willing to tell gays/lesbians they can't be parents, then it's a slippery slope to when/if the govt. makes those kind of decisions for the rest of society.
Who gave the power to the state to tell them they couldn't do it?Did the people vote on it?If the people voted on it then that was the popular decision and they will just have to wait till it changes or move to another state I guess.
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Who gave the power to the state to tell them they couldn't do it?Did the people vote on it?If the people voted on it then that was the popular decision and they will just have to wait till it changes or move to another state I guess.
OMG! It's not that easy.

I guess the Blacks in the 50s-60s should have just shut the h*ll up and either moved or "waited" for the right to be treated like a human! (and yeah, it is the same thing--people don't choose what color they are born, nor do they choose what sexuality they are born with...)

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What exactly are you saying in this second paragraph??? If you had to choose between one male and one female abusing a child you would prefer the same sex???? Huh??? Seriously not understanding this train of thought at all. Could you clarify?
I do believe this is a poster who was banned under another (few actually) name(s). They continually claim to be "done" with coming here, yet, can't resist.

Make sense now? Sort of....LOL.

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OMG! It's not that easy.

I guess the Blacks in the 50s-60s should have just shut the h*ll up and either moved or "waited" for the right to be treated like a human! (and yeah, it is the same thing--people don't choose what color they are born, nor do they choose what sexuality they are born with...)

"Popular" doesn't equal "right".
I agree, and there is a lot of laws made that not everyone agrees is "right".
What do YOU suggest that gays should do?
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I think people should "care" when others rights are being denied. It's not just what gays should do, it's what all of us should do. Show support by letting your elected representatives know that you do not want others discriminated against. Like MarilynK says, it's that slippery slope. Once you start denying rights to one group, it's easier to deny them to another.
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I agree, and there is a lot of laws made that not everyone agrees is "right".
What do YOU suggest that gays should do?
I suggest that ALL people should vote and support the quest for equality in all things without regard to race, color, religion, or sexual orientation and everyone should support the constitution that provides this for all but somehow is forgotten when we are speaking of same sex couples.
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I suggest that ALL people should vote and support the quest for equality in all things without regard to race, color, religion, or sexual orientation and everyone should support the constitution that provides this for all but somehow is forgotten when we are speaking of same sex couples.
In order to cater to everyones religion we would basically have to go lawless.
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In order to cater to everyones religion we would basically have to go lawless.

NOT cater. The Constitution provides all people certain rights regardless of race, religion or sex.....unless you are gay.

Gay people want not to be catered to but to be able to have the same rights everyone else does - the rights guaranteed by the Constitution......the right to be considered equal.

Sort of like the rights "Black" or "African Ameriicans" wanted forty years ago but were also denied because someone somewhere could point to a passage in the bible and state that they were not favored by God.

I do not get the fear people have (of course no one here) of people who are gay.....or the fear of what it would mean if someone who was gay got married and raised a family. If we truly mean that "as long as no one bothers me, I dont' care what others believe or think or do" then why not allow everyone to have the same rights as you do.....the right to marry, to worship where and how people want to, etc.
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[quote=foryoubabyblue;3541283]Well, presumably he's gay, because children always inherit the same sexual orientation as their parents . . . right?



I know several gay people and none of their parents are gay.lol
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I hereby grant everyone to do whatever the hell they want based on their own religion and if you don't have any religion, well, enjoy being your own god.
You get to choose your religion in this country.
You do not get to choose your sexuality, you do not get to choose your color/race...
As such, you shouldn't be punished or discriminate against because of things you have no choice about!

I choose to fight for others' rights. I choose not to practice the whole "Not In My Back Yard" mentality.

I choose to believe that all people really want is equal treatment under any laws. It's not happening right now!
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I hereby grant everyone to do whatever the hell they want based on their own religion and if you don't have any religion, well, enjoy being your own god.
In granting "everyone" permission, have you taken on a self-decreed "god-like" role??
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You do not get to choose your sexuality
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Unfortunately there are many narrow minded people that do not think it is this way...they fully and wholeheartedly believe that people choose to be gay or lesbian. And a lot of these people are your "good Christian folks"...but not saying all Christians feel this way...just a whole heck of a lot of them do though...
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In granting "everyone" permission, have you taken on a self-decreed "god-like" role??
Does it matter?
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Does it matter?
I don't know...I'll wait until I am told if it does.
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