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Old 12-16-2006, 02:15 PM
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10 year old and Titanic update

Yesterday my10 year old DS was telling me about his day at school, and he said one of his friends didn't get to go outside to play. I ask him why and he said the boy was sayin boobie boobie and the substitute teacher got mad. I ask DS why he kept saying that and he said because we saw boobies on the movie we watched in class. What?! DS son said someone brought Titanic in to watch. His regular teacher has been out this week and has had a substitute. She had told the class if they were good all week they could play board games on Friday, but the sub got mad at the class on Thursday and told them not to bring in any games to play, but told one of the girls that she could bring Titanic in to watch. I can't remember much about Titanic but I know it's rated pg13. My DS was so embarrassed telling me about this, his little face turned every color in the book. Now I am any pretty easy going ,and I know my son has saw stuff on tv that is not good for him, but I think 5th grade is to young for pg13 movies. I don't want to get the sub in trouble, but I think the regular teacher needs a heads up about this. His regular teacher will not be back tell after Christmas break. They go to school Monday and Tuesday. Should I call the school on Monday or wait to talk to the regular teacher after Christmas or just let it Go? This is is an older lady and she has sub many times for this class, and she sat and watched the movie with them, she should had know better. Maybe I am overprotected or something but when my kids have friends over, if we are watching something I ask the parents if its ok for them to watch,and most parents do the same for us. I am just shocked that a sub would let 10 years old watch something like this.

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Old 12-16-2006, 02:58 PM
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I would contact the principal on Monday. I wouldn't think it would be the teacher who has authority over substitutes.
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Old 12-16-2006, 03:18 PM
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I don't think it's okay. It has nudity in it and sex (although the act is not actually seen it's obvious to what's going on) on top of the violence and it's not appropriate to be viewed at school IMO. I agree...contact the principal and express your distaste for the choice the sub made. If someone watches it at home with their kids and discusses what's happening that's one thing, but school is not the place
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Old 12-16-2006, 04:24 PM
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I would bring it up to the sub teacher or the school..Most schools must have a constent form signed by a guardian to watch certain rated movies..She's not only exposing the kids to this kind of stuff, but the school could get into some major trouble by her allowing the kids to watch P-13 movies.

She may thinks it ok for them to watch Nowadays you'llbe amazed how many parents allow their kids to watch that stuff.My kids are 17 & 19 now..When my DD was 9 years old she slept over at a friends house and the lady told me they have a really good time watching movies & etc..When DD came home she told me the movies they watch..I was shocked this lady allowed my child to watch a rated R movie that contain heavy violience & nudity. I called her and told her off from end to another..
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Old 12-16-2006, 05:40 PM
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I also think you should let the principal know. I do not think the violence or the sex scene is a problem. But the scene where he draws the girl naked. They show the girls boobs. That is wrong at school even at the high school level.
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Old 12-16-2006, 05:56 PM
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This is the definition of PG 13. There are researchers who know what a little mind can handle. So PG 13 mean NOT FOR 10 YEAR OLDS.

Parents Strongly Cautioned. Some material may be inappropriate for children under 13. This signifies that the film rated may be inappropriate for pre-teens. Parents should be especially careful about letting their younger children attend.
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Old 12-16-2006, 06:28 PM
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My kids are in 3rd and 6th grades. They are 8 and 11. I would absolutely call the principle! I am shocked to think the teacher would show this movie. My kids don't watch tv and I am very careful about what they are exposed to. I would be extremely upset if this happened in my kid's school.
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Old 12-16-2006, 06:51 PM
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Our schools send him a note for parents to sign giving permission even when a PG movie is going to be shown or if they are walking to the theatre for an incentive trip to see something.....

I'd call the school.
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Old 12-16-2006, 08:35 PM
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we have to have permission slips here also
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Old 12-16-2006, 08:59 PM
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I agree- you should call the principal! We have to do the same thing at my school when we show anything other than g movies.
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Old 12-16-2006, 09:05 PM
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I think it's fairly standard to have permission slips to see anything that is more than G rated.
I asked 10 yo, Have you ever seen Titanic?.. he said parts of it on TV. Told him a sub let kids, in the same grade as he, see the movie. He looked at me oddly and said "but it has nudity in it!" "that sub was stupid"

See even the kids now it wasn't ok.. time to call the principal!
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Old 12-16-2006, 11:49 PM
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I teach in a grades 3-6 school. Any moview without a G rating must have parent permission. Our principal would not allow a PG-13 or R rated movie shown at all. I, too, would contact the principal. I know at my school, the regular teacher does not even get subs...theoffice staff does.
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Old 12-17-2006, 12:51 AM
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Call the school FIRST thing Monday morning!!!
I substitue often and I know that there are many things you learn when you go to the introduction class of what to do and what NOT to do. The school must know so that the sub coordinator knows the behavior. Showing this movie probably was against school policy and if my child had seen this I would be SOOOOOOOOOOO upset!!! Most parents monitor what their children take in and to have this shown to them is just unbelievable.
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Old 12-17-2006, 01:09 AM
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I have been a sub for a couple years, and I have a10 yo in 5th grade. Definitely inappropriate! I might allow my son to watch it at home (the cut down for TV version), but that is my choice as a parent. As a sub, I probably would not get "invited" back again if I showed the kids a PG-13 movie. We aren't even allowed to show PG movies. My son had to have a permission slip signed last week so that they could watch "Narnia" next week. They just finished reading "The Lion, The Witch, and The Wardrobe" and will watch the movie before Christmas break. No permission slip signed = No movie...no exception.

I would definitely speak to the Principal on Monday. I would not discuss it with the Sub. She needs to be spoken to about what is appropriate in the classroom by the Principal.
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Old 12-17-2006, 08:51 AM
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I have been a sub for five years. I sub most of the time at our local High School. Even at the High School level permission slips are sent home for some movies. When I first started subbing I did not have any kind of training, I was just pointed to the class and I was on my own. With that being said, I cannot imagine playing that kind of movie for such young students. A little common sense goes a long way....
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Old 12-17-2006, 09:17 AM
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Our school requires permission from the Principal as the first step and then if PG-13 or higher, parent permission is required. Our Principal won't sign off on the permission slip unless the movie is educational (except at holiday time in December and at end of the year in May... two weeks of fun!).

VCR's aren't just kept in the classrooms... you have to show the librarian your permission slip from the Principal and then you can roll the VCR to your room

I'm speaking as a sub teacher as well.

As far as the OP's situation, I'd certainly let the Principal know what happened and let him/her take care of it. The school might need a more strict policy on how movie watching is handled...
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Old 12-17-2006, 10:45 AM
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Besides being PG-13 isn't this movie 3 hours long?? What 10 year would sit for the whole movie? If the sub used her head should would have known that the movie was not meant for 10 year olds. My children only see G rated movies at school. I talk to the principal and ask what is going on...I get pissed when my child watches movies at school...I could keep them home and do that. I only don't mind it they read the book and their is a movie to go with it.
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Old 12-18-2006, 02:12 AM
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I work at at middle school, and for ANY movie over PG you have to have a signed permission slip. I would definitely call the school and let the school and the principle know that you feel (as do I) that this is a totally inappropriate movie for a fifth grade class. I don't feel you are being overprotective. Now, I would probably have let my son watch Titanic when he was in the 5th grade, but not all fifth graders should watch this movie. The parent should be allowed to make that decision on an individual basis.
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Old 12-18-2006, 01:38 PM
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I called the school this morning and I more irritated then I was. Over the weekend I had found out that this sub has had problems at another school in our county and was no longer ask to sub there. She is not one of my Son's favorite subs, he say that she yells and always acts like she angry. Well my first question to the principle was what was the policy on watching movies at school. We try to make sure they are g or pg. My second question was , did she know that a group of 5th graders watched Titanic on Friday. Yes she had heard about it from the sub. The sub had told her on Friday that she might had made a mistake about letting her class watch Titanic , but she had stopped the movie. She had seen the movie before but had forgotten about it, I said well I had been informed that they watch the movie from 10:30 till 1:00. They had went and got there lunch and ate in the class room while watching the movie. The movie had been fast forward at spots. The Principal said oh maybe she did say she fast forward. Yes the Principal did apologize. I just don't understand why they couldn't find something else for them to do. I don't think watching any movie for that long in school is a good ideal. The sub had been left instruction from the teacher to have them play games for a reward, not watch a movie. They had so many other things that they could had done that day, crafts or even went outside, Friday was a beautiful day and we don't get many this time of year. It like the Principal is making excuses for the sub. The sub does not take her job very serious. She has sub for many years ,and she should know better. I think that she let them watch a movie because that was the easy way to keep them quite, and was just to lazy to check if it was OK to watch. Then she tells the Principal about it trying to cover her butt. OK thanks for letting me vent, I feel much better.
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Old 12-18-2006, 01:43 PM
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I am glad you feel better but I am still very angry!!! I know that my child was not in this class but this has made me upset all weekend long. I cannot believe that the principal was not going to do more. It sounds like she was justifying the subs actions.
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Old 12-18-2006, 01:55 PM
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No, I am still mad at the sub, but feel better letting some of my anger out on the boards LOL. My mom says I should now talk to the school board. I am so easy going that I usually let things go, but when it comes to my kids I can be mean.
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Old 12-18-2006, 02:10 PM
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I agree with your mom.
You are taking the appropriate steps.
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Old 12-18-2006, 02:55 PM
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The principal did NOT give you the right answer. Do as mom suggests and get on the school board
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Old 12-18-2006, 08:21 PM
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I agree with your mom too. If the principal isn't going to fix this problem you need to go over his head. Letting a 10 yr. old see nudity, even if FF mode, is wrong. If the school is still going to let this sub teach at that school I would demand they contact you if she is ever in your childs class. Then I wouldn't allow your child to go to school that day.
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Old 12-18-2006, 09:18 PM
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I am disappointed with the cavalier attitude that the Principal had, based on your comments. I would also suggest obtaining the names of each of the members of the school board. Author a letter to the school board chairman and copy it to each of the other members on the board. I'd also send a copy to the letter to the editor of your local newspaper and perhaps some of your television stations.

That's a shame that the best a substitute teacher can offer is a movie as a babysitting mechanism.

There should have been other educational games, like concentration or spelling or math problems that could have occupied the children versus watching a movie they can see at home, or rather shouldn't see at that age.

I feel for the OP!
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