Are you a Democrat or a Republican? And why did you choose that party affiliation???

I've been reading the "State of the Union" thread, and thought this might be an interesting subject to discuss??

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I am a registered Democrat, but think of myself more like an Independent. I am registered as a Democrat so that I can vote in the primary. I have aalways voted Democrat for President, since I first voted for Carter because i felt that they are usually better choices for people like me. In Massachusetts, the Democrats have been the best choice (for me anyway) for Senator and Congressperson. I do admit that I have voted Republican for governor in the past when the Republican was the better choice. I did not vote for Mitt Romney and he was awful as a governor in MA and I can't believe he is running for president! I did vote for Democrat Deval Patrick, our current governor, and first African-American governor in MA, because I like his ideas-hopefully he can make some good changes for MA citizens. His lieutenant governor, Tim Murray was Worcester's mayor for many years-great guy, smart and nice-he was one of my classmates in law school. So I don't think of myself as being on one side or the other, I am for what will improve conditions for the American people and MA citizens the most overall. Right now for me, that party is the Democratic party. I don't think the government should be trying to foist its moral values on everybody-this is supposed to be a free country but that is what most Republican politicians have done! For example, if you don't like same sex marriage, don't marry somebody of your own sex. If you don't like abortion rights, don't have an abortion, and please make sure your children get some sex education. Teach your children and family your own family values and beliefs. but don't tell me I'm wrong if I don't share the same beliefs. Let's just do what's best to get this country moving in the right direction and encourage our leaders, whether republican, Democrat or Independent, to work together to find solutions to our problems, instead of finding ways to criticize and divide.

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My babies are the joys of my life and keep me young:
The twins,Tatiana Gabrielle and William Joseph , 1/29/97, and baby boy, Jared Lawrence, 8/27/02.

Independent......

I had to pick one to be able to vote in the primary and have no idea why I choose Democrat . I always vote for the person who I think would do the best job.

Sometimes my problem is when I don't like either candidate.

Canadian! The political affiliation I help previously doesn't translate to either US party, though there'd be nothing I could do even if it did.

Independent as well.

I started out a Democrat...every member of my family except for my grandma is. Over the years I have shifted to where Republican views more mirror my own.

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Well said jocicee!!!! As a fellow Ma resident, I agree. How did Romney ever get elected here!!!!!!!

I'm registered Republican.

I have so far always voted Republican. They tend to do more for our military (bigger pay raises,etc.). Also, they are more for helping yourself. Whereas the Democrats are more for lots of social programs, and I think that can actually hurt more than it helps.

I don't agree with everything the Republicans stand for, and I believe all parties tend to "embellish" the facts.

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Libertarian. But there isn't always a Libertarian to vote for so I just pick who I like best.

I choose the person that I think is the best for the job.

Me too~ And usually its a Democrat. :-)

republican!!

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Republican, but have voted democrat a few times and Independent once - however, I don't believe the extreme values of either party. John McCain seems to do a good job of hitting the middle and drawing the parties together and making sensible decisions. I agree with him alot of the time.

Lisa

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Republican, although I have a strong libertarian streak and will vote for the L candidate when I'm sure the republican will win anyway. More than saying I'm a republican though, I think of myself as more just very conservative. Not all republicans are conservative.
BTW, I enjoyed reading the State of the Union thread too. It's so interesting how we have such strong reactions to certain politicians, and how one that can be so appealing to one person can make another's skin crawl.

Susan

Like my favorite tshirt says:

"Raised Republican. I can help myself, thanks."

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Independent, but I do tend to vote democratic in national elections since there is not a viable third party in this country at this time.

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I'm Republican. I don't think I've voted out of party lines. Even if I don't like the republican, I figure he/she is the lesser of the two evils.

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"I'm Republican. I don't think I've voted out of party lines. Even if I don't like the republican, I figure he/she is the lesser of the two evils. "

Well said Amy! I totally agree!
A few reasons... I just don't agree with all of the programs that the democrats have put in place and I come from a VERY poor family and so did my husband, you can make it out of that if you want to. It can't be force fed to people, and I think the democrats help "just enough" to keep poor people in the same situation, and then say "look at what we are doing to help you", when it's not doing anything to help the poor.
Also the abortion issue, someone said, if you don't agree with it, don't do it. Well, I don't agree with murder and so do I stand by while people are allowed to murder other people legally? That's my point of view and I know a lot of people don't share it, but that is why our country is so divided and probably why I would never vote for a democrat.

I don't believe in abortion for any reason, but I've never voted republican, I'm about 3 million short of ever becoming a republican.

I'm very liberal when it comes to taking care of my fellow man, the environment, animal rights and all. I think all children should be fed 3 meals a day, have good healthcare, and have a decent place to live, and I don't mind my taxes going up to help them as long as the rich pay their fair share also.

I have voted independent, green party, but lately democrat because I feel it's the lesser of the 2 evils.

Libertarian.
Statements like "as long as the rich pay their fair share" and such just send chills down my spine.

I don't believe in income redistribution. I do believe in abortion. I believe the government should stay out of my private life. I believe in returning powers to the states that the great federal government has taken from them. I believe in defending our country. I believe that people should take care of people instead of looking to the government to solve the problems of individuals.

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Democrat but do not vote by party lines. If another person is more qualified regardless of party I will vote fro them.

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Republican! They tend to stand for more of what I believe. Plus they fund the military much better and I feel safer when the Republicans are in office. I don't agree with a lot of the social programs the Democrats have. I feel they tend to make Americans rely more on government than on what they themselves can do.

The Republicans are not doing much for our veterans though-the many that have been disabled and have ongoing health issues are not getting the treatment that they need, thre are a large number of homeless veterans, thousands with mental health issues, lack of adequate equipment for all of the troops, and many of the veterans facilities are in deplorable condition. I don't know why everybody thinks that the Republicans do so much for the military except keep them funded as far as spending billions to fight in wars like Iraq and keep the military industrial complex in business. Democrats don't make people rely on the government too much but they at least accept the fact that there are citizens who need help because of their situations-most people don't want a dole out, they just want a chance to be given the tools or have access to the tools to live at least a small part of the American Dream. Of course there are lazy people, but everybody does not have the gumption or the resources to do it alone and need a hand.I do think that individual Americans can do much more to help each other out, but the government has to do its part. I feel less safe than I did before-I could have flown to a conference I went to in DC at the beginning of the month, and I have flown since 9/11/01, but my children did not want me to get on a plane and it was easier for me to ensure that their minds would be at ease, so I took the train. That's sad coming from 10 year olds, and they did not get that fear from me, but they know what's going on in the world, witnessed 9/11 o n tv because that was my day off and I was watching Good Morning America when the first plane hit the first tower. The twins were all of 4 years old and still remember it. Who knew that watching the morning news would be so devastating?

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My babies are the joys of my life and keep me young:
The twins,Tatiana Gabrielle and William Joseph , 1/29/97, and baby boy, Jared Lawrence, 8/27/02.

I can't think of one Democrat that I would vote for to be our President.

So I don't think it matters how I am registered.

I do wish we didn't have to specify a party.
I think we should be able to register Independant.
I won't give up my right to vote.

I think you said a lot right there. "Who knew the morning news would be so devastating". I think the liberal media is to blame for a lot of the fear in this country right now. As for being afraid to fly because of 9/11 -- President Bush had been in office only since January of that year. I don't think he's to blame for the 9/11 attacks. Remember who was president before him? Clinton. Seems as though I recall Clinton doing nothing when the terrorists hit the USS Cole and other terrorists acts that hit our military. Clinton wanted to reduce funding for weapons. If Clinton and his group had their way, we'd have hardly no military. That's what you should be afraid of.

Maybe people should stop listening to the liberal media with their 'spin' . I know President Bush hasn't done everything correctly but he's facing up to these terrorists and you'll notice there hasn't been another attack on U.S. soil since 9/11.

Oh my, You're blaming the "liberal media"???? I respectfully disagree with you on that.
For the past 6 years, members in the republican party have been the ones instilling fear and keeping us afraid - particularly during election cycles.

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The myth of the liberal media spread by the Rush Limbaughs of the world, but don't believe it! If the media had been liberal, it would not have been so one-sided in how the War was being reported before we knew that the reasons to go to war were false. I think the yellow-orange -red terror alert system helps keep the fear going and so does this administration so we all buy into the Iraq War and the fight on terrorism-if fear is sustained, then many will not question what Bush does because, he is after all, the Commander in Chief, and knows what he's doing. Reporters overall were afraid to ask the President tough questions because they knew that they would be shunned or that there real questions would not be answered. Now that the Democrats are in the majority in Congress, it has been quite noticeable that the press has been asking deeper and tougher questions that were not geared to kissing up to the President and his policies. A lot of the media conglomerates are owned by conservative Republicans and thae airwaves are full of conservative shock jocks! Even though we have not been attacked since 9/11/01, many seem to forget that the Republicans were in power when the attack occurred-NOT the Democrats. And it was the Republican administration who helped teach Osama bin Laden a lot of what he used against us on 9/11, so Clinton inherited a big mess! Everybody should read up on their history and should not rely on Rush Limbaugh to learn it from. We will always have a military, whether the Republicans or Democrats are in power-instead of spending billions on the Iraq War, give pay raises to the troops, take care of our veterans, increase the soldiers' death benefits, and take care of them when they come home.

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My babies are the joys of my life and keep me young:
The twins,Tatiana Gabrielle and William Joseph , 1/29/97, and baby boy, Jared Lawrence, 8/27/02.

I see that a lot of people actually believe what is told to them on the evening news and what they read in the newspaper!

And who listens to Rush Limbaugh?

I don't get what i know from the news whether in print , on tv, or through the Internet. I have always read history and other books, studied poilitical science in college, and law in graduate school. Even before that, I do research and find things out for myself because you can not believe everything you hear or read. I grew up in the 60s and have lived through many presidential administrations. Unfortunately, a lot of people listen to Rush Limbaugh and his ilk-he makes millions for himself and the stations that air him, and a lot of people get their knowledge of history, politics, and the world from him or people like him. Kudos to you mom2twins2 for not listening to him-that is something that we agree on!

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My babies are the joys of my life and keep me young:
The twins,Tatiana Gabrielle and William Joseph , 1/29/97, and baby boy, Jared Lawrence, 8/27/02.

I wonder if you might be guilty of the same? After all, a few days ago you posted something about Nanci Pelosi's town being exempt from the minimum wage increase (which was not true), and then you copied and pasted an opinion piece you found on the web. You believed what you posted, right?

Generally speaking, I think people listen and watch whichever network conveys the news in the tone and manner that they want to hear it in.

Exactly!

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I agree!!! Clinton did nothing after the first World trade center attack, or the attack on the Kobalt towers....He still didnt do anything after the bombing of the USS Cole...he was too busy playing with Monica at the time...IMHO he could have prevented 911. And how many militar bases did he close down??? The list goes on and on...

What about all the dem's who said there were WMD...there pages of quotes out there...they saw the same intelligence Bush saw????

And it always amazes me that these feminist groups Love Bill Clinton..despite his long list of sexual harassment allegations, lawsuits, an accusation of rape, and, an affair with an intern. He has no respect for women least of all his own wife!!!

Oh and by the way, I am Republican and Proud of it!!!

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Hmm, didn't the Republicans control Congress when Clinton was in office-they could have helped the terrorism situation instead of going after Clinton for getting a BJ and lying about it. Congress controlled the money and had enough votes to override any Clinton vetos of military funding. I don't like Clinton's treatment of women, but many of these allegations were never proven. On the other hand, he was a smart and savvy president and at least the US was well-respected in the world then!And the Democrats saw the same intelligence that they were fed by a Republican administration that wanted to go after Iraq well before 9/11-it is well-documented!

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My babies are the joys of my life and keep me young:
The twins,Tatiana Gabrielle and William Joseph , 1/29/97, and baby boy, Jared Lawrence, 8/27/02.

I found this info. on the internet, and YES, believe it is true.

"Article Excerpt
The Base Realignment and Closure (BRAC) process had its origins in the 1960s. President John F. Kennedy directed Secretary of Defense Robert S. McNamara to develop and implement an extensive base realignment and closure program to reduce the Department's base structure established during World War II and the Korean War. Hundreds of bases were closed and realigned during this period. More than 60 major bases were closed. Criteria governing selection of bases for closure were established primarily within the Office of the Secretary of Defense, with minimal consultation with the military departments or Congress. "

Kennedy was a Democrat. BRAC continues to this day.

Also, didn't Hillary Clinton (a Democrat) vote YES for going to War in Iraq?

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I did a search on google, and came across this article.

http://www.factcheck.org/article144.html

I tried to copy/paste an excerpt from the article, but, for some reason, most of the article gets cut off. Anyway, it states that the Bush Admin. did MUCH more for veterans than the Clinton administration, and backs this up with facts and figures.

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And why would we blame Clinton ? Osama Bin Laden had 8 years to attack while Clinton was president ? He waited until Bush was in office. Apparently that was a wise choice for Osama Bin Laden. Instead of capturing Bin Laden, Bush starts his own private little war with Iraq ( Who Had Nothing To Do With 9-11 ). Killing so many of our brave men and women ( and innocent Iraqis )

Osama Bin Laden's been laughing at us ever since, and every once in a while he threatens to attack us again, putting the country on Red Alert. He's waiting, maybe not him, but one of his followers will attack us when we least expect it.

He certainly laughs at the Clinton Administration who had him in their sites more than one time, and didnt have the guts to get rid of him....Bin Laden is waiting for a Democrat President to be in power before he or some of his followers try another attack...they know they can attack then and there wont be any consequences!!!!Just like before.

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We better KEEP on expecting it!!
It isn't " IF " , it is WHEN!
Who knows how many of the terrorists are in this country!

That article is from February 2004 and it would be helpful to look at more current figures and also keep in mind that Bush was spending more because he was planning to go to war and needed more soldiers, etc. to do that. You spend more on troops who you are going to or are in a war, so let's look at the facts and figures in the context of what's happening in the world now. I never said that Clinton spent more, but Bush is not nearly doing enough for the veterans and soldiers now and we are at war now, and we were not back then. I am curious if the military families think that he is doing enough for the soldiers and families, even the ardent Bush supporters? I think that most of us can agree that more needs to be done for the troops, their families, and all veterans than what is being done now, and both the Republicans and Democrats have fallen short of doing that, in my opinion.

[/QUOTE=allinaugust]Also, didn't Hillary Clinton (a Democrat) vote YES for going to War in Iraq?[/quote]

Yes, she did based on the faulty (in my view intentionally) intellligence that the legislature was given-only a handful of Democrats were bold enough to stand up against Bush and voted against the war. It would not have done much good, except symbolically, because they did not have enough votes anyway. And can you imagine the backlash that would have happened-"if you don't support the war, you are unpatriotic, for the terrorists and not for us,etc." It would have been political suicide. If she and the other legislators (Democrat and Republican) only knew then what they knew then, it might have been a different story and lots of lives would have been saved on both sides.
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My babies are the joys of my life and keep me young:
The twins,Tatiana Gabrielle and William Joseph , 1/29/97, and baby boy, Jared Lawrence, 8/27/02.

Well, since you seem to know Bin Laden intimately enough to know his inner most thoughts--would you PLEASE let the military know where he is?

There have been plenty of failures by both democrats and republicans. The first Bush didn't finish the job w/ Saddam--remember the first Gulf War?

I'm neither republican or democrat. I vote for who I think will do the best job. Of late, that has been democrats.

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Thanks for the site. Look what I found.



Rice: We were not left a comprehensive strategy to fight al Qaeda.

False: Rice's statement is not supported by the 9/11 Report, which describes the plans Clarke drew up and says they were conveyed to Bush's aides, as we noted earlier. The 9/11 Report says that as the Clinton Administration drew to a close in December 2000, Clarke and his staff developed a policy paper on eliminating the al Qaeda threat, "the first such comprehensive effort" since a 1998 plan known as Delenda (p. 197). The Report also says (p. 201): "After Rice requested that all senior staff identify desirable major policy reviews or initiatives, Clarke submitted an elaborate memorandum on January 25, 2001. He attached to it his 1998 Delenda Plan and the December 2000 strategy paper."

Clarke is emphatic about the matter, telling interviewer Charlie Rose on Sept. 28, 2006:

Clarke: The Clinton Administration in the last month, in December of 2000, asked us to develop a comprehensive plan that we could hand off to the Bush Administration that had a military attack plan, that had an intelligence attack plan. It had diplomatic steps. It had economic steps. It was a comprehensive plan.



Rice also denied that Clarke had been demoted, saying "Richard Clarke was the counterterrorism czar when 9/11 happened." Technically true, in that Clarke's title didn't change, but effectively false, since she cut him out of key meetings and lessened his authority.

We can find no independent confirmation for the claim made by Michael Scheuer, the former head of the CIA's bin Laden unit who appears as "Mike" in the 9/11 Report, that the CIA knew exactly where bin Laden was at least 10 times yet no action was ordered, as he told the Boston Globe . As we've noted above, in mid-1999 intelligence operatives felt certain of bin Laden's location, but no strikes were ordered, much to the frustration of some involved. Similarly, in Dec. 1998, intelligence was received that bin Laden would be spending the night in the governor's residence in Kandahar. But officials charged with deciding whether to mount a cruise missile strike thought there was too great a likelihood of collateral damage, and that the intelligence was not sufficiently reliable. 'Mike' told a colleague he'd been unable to sleep after the decision. But the decision to hang back was vindicated when later reports indicated bin Laden had left his location by the time the missiles would have hit. And the Report adds a bit of context: "[F]aulty intelligence had just led the United States to mistakenly bomb the Chinese embassy in Belgrade during the NATO war against Serbia," bringing intense scutiny and criticism to the Administration and CIA.

http://www.factcheck.org/article444.html

That's so true. Clinton didn't do anything when terrorists attacked before. I can't see why folks can't see what Clinton didn't do! I do feel like Iraq was part of the terrorist attacks because I think they are/were harboring the enemy. As far as the reason for going into war (WMDs), President Bush was given the same information from the CIA, etc. as was everyone else. It was later found out that WMD weren't there. But, of course, Iraq was given so much advanced warning of inspections that they could have moved them somewhere (with all those underground tunnels) before the inspectors showed up. Guess we'll never know.

As the old saying goes, hindsight is 20/20. No one knew what was going to happen in this war. I think if everyone (including President Bush) knew it was going to turn out the way it has, things would have been handled differently. But that's in the past now and to turn coat and run now, would be giving the terrorists a victory and all the troops that have died or have been wounded, their fighting would be in vain.

As far as the media goes, what part of the Nancy Pelosi tunagate isn't to understand? Do you think I made it up? I do my reading and get my sources from other things other than the newspaper and TV and you'd have to be living under a rock to not know about it. It's been all over the place. I don't get my news from the evening news (that stuff is really biased and how someone cannot see that is beyond me!) and certainly not from our local newspaper (it's been called the one of the most left-winged newspapers in the nation). However, if Pelosi and her group want to raise the minimum wage, let them raise it for everyone and not pick and choose the companies that are exempt.

Yes, she did based on the faulty (in my view intentionally) intellligence that the legislature was given-only a handful of Democrats were bold enough to stand up against Bush and voted against the war. It would not have done much good, except symbolically, because they did not have enough votes anyway. And can you imagine the backlash that would have happened-"if you don't support the war, you are unpatriotic, for the terrorists and not for us,etc." It would have been political suicide. If she and the other legislators (Democrat and Republican) only knew then what they knew then, it might have been a different story and lots of lives would have been saved on both sides.
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The war began in March of 2003, so we were at war in 2004.

And, yes, speaking from personal experience, I think a lot is being done for our veterans and their families. Could more be done??? More can always be done, but, where else can you get all your medical covered, legal advice, discounted groceries, the list goes on. Not much complaining from our camp.

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That was my point, you spend more on troops when we are at war so to compare to when Clinton was in office is not a true and direct comparison because there was no war when Clinton was in office. I meant to look at more current figures for what happened more recently through the present. You and your family are lucky, because that is not true for a lot of military families-there are many reports about the terrible lack of attention that many vets get when they get home and they should give military families discounted groceries, medical,legal advice, and other benefits, because the pay could be a lot better, and many other things.

I love this discussion, especially since it seems to be getting people to do some research on the subject and to not rely on politicians and the media to feed limited information to us. Even if we disagree, all of you are a great bunch of people to have an intelligent discussion with, especially since I am used to conversations with little kids, lol! My kids are smart but boy, it's nice to talk to adults!

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My babies are the joys of my life and keep me young:
The twins,Tatiana Gabrielle and William Joseph , 1/29/97, and baby boy, Jared Lawrence, 8/27/02.

I agree with you!!!

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I am a Republican.
I don't understand how anyone could be a Democrat.
I don't believe in killing babies.
I don't believe in giving people everything they need so that they don't want to do for themselves.
I love the idea of everyone helping each other the way they choose, not the way the government decides they should be helped.
I prefer having a moral President.
I am happy.
I am truly afraid of having a Democratic president.

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Wow! Just wow! I'm not often speechless, but wow! Your kind of mindset scares me.

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Huh ???

Here is something that is kind of funny to lighten the mood up a bit in this thread-one of my friends sent this to me and it kind of reflects how many of us feel about certain politicians depending upon your political affiliation. Insert the politician of your choice, lol!

FINALLY, someone has come out with a 100% bipartisan political
>> bumper sticker. The hottest selling bumper sticker comes from New
>> York
>> state .....
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>> "RUN HILLARY RUN"
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>> Democrats put it on the rear bumper.
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>> Republicans put it on the front bumper.

I actually like Hillary Clinton, so don't flame me, lol! And for those of you that don't like her, please spare me the burns too!

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Jocelyn



My babies are the joys of my life and keep me young:
The twins,Tatiana Gabrielle and William Joseph , 1/29/97, and baby boy, Jared Lawrence, 8/27/02.

Great One !

What do you mean???? Instead of just saying 'huh?' at least say what the huh is about!!!

That's a good one. I like that!!

BTW - I was going to answer you earlier but I had to go out when you mentioned Rush Limbaugh and how we at least have one thing in common -- not listening to him. I really don't listen to him. I think he tries to push and push people into his way of thinking. I like to think for myself. I listen to a lot of different radio stations, read different news magazines, etc.

So I guess for other things, we can agree to disagree!! If everybody thought the same, it sure would be a boring world, wouldn't it??

You've got that right! Soomething else we agree on!

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Jocelyn



My babies are the joys of my life and keep me young:
The twins,Tatiana Gabrielle and William Joseph , 1/29/97, and baby boy, Jared Lawrence, 8/27/02.

Registered Independant but when I was registered I was 18 and wasn't sure which way I wanted to go yet. Now that I have lived a little I tend to go Democratic on pretty much everything.

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