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Old 04-16-2007, 08:52 PM
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Found a Great website for people sick of Rosie spewing her hate!!!!

75,819 people will not watch 'The View' because of Rosie O'Donnell - stoprosie.com Its an online petition to boycott the view....which I already do!!!!! Sherri
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Old 04-16-2007, 09:14 PM
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just what we need one more website wasting their time with Hate. If they don't like what they see on the view don't watch it. Not all shows are for everyone. I don't agree with everything Rosie says but I enjoy the view and sometimes enjoy Rosie. I think it's a waste of time just like the site vote for the worst. Go ahead and blast me but there is enough people in the world who hate. Don't like the show don't watch why waste your time with a website?

I could not Agree with you more!!
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Old 04-16-2007, 09:14 PM
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I am not a big fan of Rosie but, you can turn the channel. And why is she worse than any other person who uses the median they have to tell their opinion. Like I said I don't like her and thats why I use my power, by using my remote and turn the View off.
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Old 04-16-2007, 09:19 PM
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I watch every once and awhile. Change the channel. There are people with different tastes.
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Old 04-17-2007, 12:55 AM
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I used to really enjoy "the view" until rosie came on and I just can't stand to watch her, I used to love her show that she had and she was pretty funny but now I think that since she "came out of the closet" she is just being really difficult and confrontational and I can't stand to watch this show that I once loved. Its sad
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Old 04-17-2007, 11:09 AM
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Rosie is on a show about different views, and she gives hers. Spewing hate, I don't think so. The others are right if YOU don't want to watch it don't.
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Old 04-17-2007, 11:34 AM
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I guess folks are running out of important stuff to get upset about these days.
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Old 04-17-2007, 12:41 PM
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I don't want others telling me what to watch. If I want to watch Rosie who are they to tell me I can't? Who are they to say that because they want the View the way they want it I can't have it the way I want it. Did that make sense? Bottom line Don't tell me what I can or cannot watch. Petition or not who are they to take away my rights?
Again, there is so much Hate in the world why would they do this over a stupid show? Why? People there are so many good things you can do with your time. Don't waste it on Hate!! Even if you believe Rosie is a hater don't bother with her. Move on to something good and support that.
Yes, people can change the channel. However, we don't need people on tv spewing hate. Since when is that someones right? No wonder the country is suffering. There have to be limits. And unfortunately she feeds into the people who are also full of hate. Words do affect people.
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Old 04-17-2007, 01:31 PM
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I tape The View everyday, but I really can't stand Rosie.

I've read several stories that she is trying to get herself fired from The View because she wants out of her contract.

According to an article on AOL, she's being considered as a replacement for Bob Barker on the Price is Right.
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Old 04-17-2007, 01:39 PM
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She only had a one year contract and it is over in June (I think). Also in her blog she says she would like to do The Price is Right but she is not in the running for it.
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Old 04-17-2007, 01:55 PM
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What about Rush Limbaugh and Jerry Falwell? They have the same right as Rosie does in speaking their mind.

But I know there are plenty on this forum who would love for them to stop giving their 'views'!!!

BTW, I cannot stand to even listen to Rosie talk much less watch her on TV!!
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Old 04-17-2007, 02:07 PM
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Imus got fired for his "views".......................I find Rosie much more annoying because she is so confrontational. I don't care what her personal life is, just don't constantly make it an issue. Imus is the same way. So I don't watch/listen to either.
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Old 04-17-2007, 04:46 PM
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First of all, there IS censorship on tv. You don't see peopele nude at 6:00PM on one of the major networks do you? There are words that cannot be said on the networks also. THAT IS censorship. I don't see a difference between what Imus said and what Rosie said about Asians. Oh yes, she didn't know that was offensive...right, sure.... And Imus is on cable wheresas Rosie on a major network that you don't need cable for. And yes, some things SHOULD NOT BE SAID. There have to be limits. You want a show about pedophiles giving their opinions? Wouldn't you consider that beyond good tastes? If yes, then you are in favor of censorhip also. It's not always a matter of changing the channel. You may be intelligent and educated but not everyone is. There are a lot of unbalanced, impressionable people out there and we as a society have to have boundairies and limits. At least, that's the world I want to live in. NOT anything goes! Just because you can doesn't mean you should!!! So censorship? Bring it on!
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Old 04-17-2007, 04:54 PM
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I don't agree that Rosie is "spewing hate". Yes she is LOUD and VOCAL but she is only saying we should not support a government that: 1. Lies to us over and over 2. States to support the troops but leaves them rotting in rundown hospitals 3. Makes money from a war that is supposed to be for one reason but is for another 4. Enacts legislation that strips us of our basic rights (which is supposedly why we fight "for Democracy") 5. Makes tax laws that benefit people who earn over $250,000 a yr while those of us who do the work that keeps the country running suffer rising taxes, rising gas prices and the doom of a govt that cares more about $$$ than the air our children breathe.

Like the previous poster said "If you don't like it change the channel" I don't let Elizabeth's right wing bullcrap prevent me from watching. Heck sometimes I even agree with her and often I learn something from her.

Listen to Rosie's message; all she is saying is the this is AMERICA; everyone is supposed to be treated equally whether they are gay, straight, black, white, yellow, or green, rich, poor, and that the govt needs to be honest.

Yay Rosie!!! Keep up the good work. If you are making people mad there is a reason. Spewing hate is what Fox News does not Rosie.

BTW just so you know there is no hate in me. There is nothing or nobody in this world that I hate other than ignorance which is going to do us all in. This is America you don't censor someone because you don't agree with them. If that is how you want to live you can go to China, Iraq or Russia.
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Old 04-17-2007, 04:58 PM
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I have watched t.v. talk shows have pedophiles on there, and personally I am interested in hearing what they have to say. If they tell me how they prey on children, I am able to protect my kids better.
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Old 04-17-2007, 05:32 PM
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Spewing hate is what Fox News does ...........

Care to back up that statement with some examples???
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Old 04-17-2007, 06:11 PM
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I'd like to see some facts on the Fox News spewing hate, too. Also the poster who doesn't let "Elizabeth's right-wing bullcrap" prevent her from watching and doesn't think Rosie spews hate -- oh, please -- got to disagree with all that. Here's just a very few examples of Rosie spewing hate:

"You know, this President invaded a sovereign nation in defiance of the UN. He is basically a war criminal. Honestly. He should be tried at The Hague."
"Don't fear the 'terrorists'. They’re mothers and fathers."
"Democracy is threatened in a way it hasn't been in 200 years and if America doesn't stand up we're in big trouble."
She has even said things that hint at her beliefs that the United States had something to do with 9/11 attacks.

These are just a few of her spouting off at the mouth. She says things with obvious hate and eye rolling. Had she said what Imus said, no one would have batted an eye.
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Old 04-17-2007, 06:14 PM
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Most people that insult Fox News DON"T watch it!!!! I have this debate all the time with my liberal sister.
Just because a show is called The View doesn't give someone the right to be immature, disrespectful , rude, etc... Elisabeh is not rude. Elisabeth is dignified. I don't think you can use that word with Rosie. I used to watch Rosie's talk show but she is not the same as she was on there. She was much nicer and respectiful. She regularly makes fun of people, dominate the converation, calls people names, etc... I don't think that behavior was the idea behind the show. I believe the show was intended to be a low key, fun, talk show where people discussed issues. Not it's a platform for Rosie to rant about anything and everything she doesn't like and you be danged if you disagree. If this was on cable TV it wouldn't bother me very much. I don't think it belongs on regular tv. Not with Rosie. It was fine before she was on. They had reasonable give and take debates. Not anymore.
I love the USA and I hate to see it coming to this. I hate to see this country become a Godless, selfish, whatever makes me happy I'm gonna do for myself country. Freedom of Speech does have some restrictions-you cant yell fire in a crowded theater-ask Don Imus about freedom of speech!!!!!
Yes, I've listened to pedophilles on Oprah, etc... but that wasn't the context I was referring too. Information is a good thing, condesending, name calling is not!
There have to be limits in a society of some kind to keep society healthy. You set limits for your children right? The workplace has rules and limitations. Why should tvbe a free for all?????
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Old 04-17-2007, 06:16 PM
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I am not going to get into an argument with anyone. I had the misfortune to be a caregiver to an elderly woman who kept the tv on Fox News 24/7 and I have never in my life heard such skewed and UNfair and UNbalanced pile of steaming horsepucky in my well lived life. I will give one example Ann Coulter. I read the first few pages of "Godless" and it made me vomit.

That is all I want to say on this as obviously one who asks is of the opposing viewpoint and I don't want to get into a back and forth I will not change my view on this issue and I feel you won't either so let's not waste any energy on Fox News.

As far as Imus I don't agree with his ignorant statement however once again I will say this is America and we are supposed to be free to say what we wish. It is scary that Jesse Jackson who has made racist comments in the past can have so much impact on an issue like this. (I voted for Rev Jackson for President btw). People have every right to disagree with each other but don't censor them.
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Old 04-17-2007, 06:18 PM
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I'd like to see some facts on the Fox News spewing hate, too. Also the poster who doesn't let "Elizabeth's right-wing bullcrap" prevent her from watching and doesn't think Rosie spews hate -- oh, please -- got to disagree with all that. Here's just a very few examples of Rosie spewing hate:

"You know, this President invaded a sovereign nation in defiance of the UN. He is basically a war criminal. Honestly. He should be tried at The Hague."
"Don't fear the 'terrorists'. They’re mothers and fathers."
"Democracy is threatened in a way it hasn't been in 200 years and if America doesn't stand up we're in big trouble."
She has even said things that hint at her beliefs that the United States had something to do with 9/11 attacks.

These are just a few of her spouting off at the mouth. She says things with obvious hate and eye rolling. Had she said what Imus said, no one would have batted an eye.
Didn't Rosie also say something about Christianity being worse than Muslim extremists? And she does think the government had something to do with 911. What cracks me up about the gov being behind 911 is this-these people think George Bush is an idiot but on the other hand can plan or help carryout something like that???? Doesn't make a bit of sense.
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Old 04-17-2007, 06:19 PM
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Rosie is not the only one who believes the US Govt had something to do with 9/11.

Loose Change Website - Version 2.0

If you are so open minded watch this video which is not propaganda but research with much input from sources like ABC, NBC, CBS and FOX news.

Is it so hard to believe that the govt lies? If you think they don't I feel very sorry for you.
Be open minded not close minded.
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I am not going to get into an argument with anyone. I had the misfortune to be a caregiver to an elderly woman who kept the tv on Fox News 24/7 and I have never in my life heard such skewed and UNfair and UNbalanced pile of steaming horsepucky in my well lived life. I will give one example Ann Coulter. I read the first few pages of "Godless" and it made me vomit.

That is all I want to say on this as obviously one who asks is of the opposing viewpoint and I don't want to get into a back and forth I will not change my view on this issue and I feel you won't either so let's not waste any energy on Fox News.

As far as Imus I don't agree with his ignorant statement however once again I will say this is America and we are supposed to be free to say what we wish. It is scary that Jesse Jackson who has made racist comments in the past can have so much impact on an issue like this. (I voted for Rev Jackson for President btw). People have every right to disagree with each other but don't censor them.
Ann Coulter is very extreme-she's not a good example. However, Greta is awesome!!!! Sean and Alan have opposing viewpoints. O'Reilly can get a tad heated but a lot of the things he says you might agree with if it was presented in a different way. I love Shepherd Smith too!
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Old 04-17-2007, 06:24 PM
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Rosie is not the only one who believes the US Govt had something to do with 9/11.

Loose Change Website - Version 2.0

If you are so open minded watch this video which is not propaganda but research with much input from sources like ABC, NBC, CBS and FOX news.

Is it so hard to believe that the govt lies? If you think they don't I feel very sorry for you.
Be open minded not close minded.
Well, ABC, NBC and CBS all have a liberal bias so I don't think the above link would impress me much.
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Old 04-17-2007, 06:25 PM
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A word of caution: DON'T BE SO OPEN MINDED YOUR BRAINS FALL OUT!!!
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A word of caution: DON'T BE SO OPEN MINDED YOUR BRAINS FALL OUT!!!

LOL!! I love it!! Good quote, Kathy!!
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Rosie is not the only one who believes the US Govt had something to do with 9/11.

Loose Change Website - Version 2.0

If you are so open minded watch this video which is not propaganda but research with much input from sources like ABC, NBC, CBS and FOX news.

Is it so hard to believe that the govt lies? If you think they don't I feel very sorry for you.
Be open minded not close minded.

This is not research with input FROM these sources. It's a propaganda document using splices of film and clips of broadcasts and clips of newspapers and such and moves so fast that you can't read the entire context of what they're even really talking about. The disclaimer even says ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX and others didn't have anything to do with the making of this film and the views in Loose Change don't represent the views of the owners of the material!!! Here's what the disclaimer says: QUOTED:

"Loose Change 2nd Edition contains unlicensed footage including, without limitation, copyrighted footage owned by FOX, CNN, NBC, CSPAN and Camera Planet, as well as Gedeon and Jules Naudet and James Hanlon, directors of the documentary film entitled "9/11 - The Filmmakers' Commemorative Edition." The views expressed in Loose Change may not represent the views of the copyright owners or the individuals featured in such footage. With respect to the Naudet brothers and Mr. Hanlon, out of sensitivity to and respect for the victims' families, they have consistently refused to license any of their footage (with the sole exception of footage of the first plane striking Tower 1, which is thought to be the only footage of this event) to anyone for any purpose, regardless of the point of view expressed in any resulting film, program or other commentary. The Naudet brothers, Mr. Hanlon, the firefighters they interviewed for their film and Paramount (which distributes the Naudet/Hanlon film) do not endorse or support the views expressed in Loose Change."

So please don't go saying that this was input by these media outlets. That is simply not true. It looks like one person's views of what he thinks happened on 9/11 and he sliced and diced footage and newsclips to make it look like he wanted it to. I definitely have more of an open mind than to listen to this kind of junk. I can think for myself, thank you very much!!
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This is not research with input FROM these sources. It's a propaganda document using splices of film and clips of broadcasts and clips of newspapers and such and moves so fast that you can't read the entire context of what they're even really talking about. The disclaimer even says ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX and others didn't have anything to do with the making of this film and the views in Loose Change don't represent the views of the owners of the material!!! Here's what the disclaimer says: QUOTED:

"Loose Change 2nd Edition contains unlicensed footage including, without limitation, copyrighted footage owned by FOX, CNN, NBC, CSPAN and Camera Planet, as well as Gedeon and Jules Naudet and James Hanlon, directors of the documentary film entitled "9/11 - The Filmmakers' Commemorative Edition." The views expressed in Loose Change may not represent the views of the copyright owners or the individuals featured in such footage. With respect to the Naudet brothers and Mr. Hanlon, out of sensitivity to and respect for the victims' families, they have consistently refused to license any of their footage (with the sole exception of footage of the first plane striking Tower 1, which is thought to be the only footage of this event) to anyone for any purpose, regardless of the point of view expressed in any resulting film, program or other commentary. The Naudet brothers, Mr. Hanlon, the firefighters they interviewed for their film and Paramount (which distributes the Naudet/Hanlon film) do not endorse or support the views expressed in Loose Change."

So please don't go saying that this was input by these media outlets. That is simply not true. It looks like one person's views of what he thinks happened on 9/11 and he sliced and diced footage and newsclips to make it look like he wanted it to.


Yep, too bad some people who pride themselves on being open-minded and "seeking the truth" often don't have a clue that they are actually the ones being conned.
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Old 04-17-2007, 07:06 PM
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I haven't heard anything that I would consider hate speech on FOX News........I would like some examples as well.
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Old 04-17-2007, 07:11 PM
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I think there are more important issues in this world then Rosie. Sure she is voicing her opinion, but that is what she gets paid to do. I think people should use their energy in a more positive way then to be doing petitions. Just my 2 cents
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Didn't Rosie also say something about Christianity being worse than Muslim extremists? And she does think the government had something to do with 911. What cracks me up about the gov being behind 911 is this-these people think George Bush is an idiot but on the other hand can plan or help carryout something like that???? Doesn't make a bit of sense.

Actually, that's not what Rosie said. That is what a couple of programs said she said though. She Does Not think the government had anything to do with 911. She said she doesn't believe WTC7 was bought down by something more than what has been told. She addresses all of these miss quotes on her blog. As a matter of fact if you go to youtube you can probably she exactly what she said.
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I am pretty much a lurker but feel I would like to add my two cents. I do feel Rosie is spreading hate and it makes me sad for our country. I am all for free speech but she seems to have one mission adn that is to make her views known to everyone---truth or fiction. I did see the episode where she talked about the world trade center---she was insinuating the gov't had something to do with it---she was gov't bashing at the time--there was no doubt about it. She also made comments about the british soldiers who were captured in Iranian waters. She felt the British gov't did this on purpose so we would have a reason to go to war with Iran. I believe there are a lot of impressionable people in the world and she is not teaching them to help -- she is teaching them to hate and distrust our gov't. And let me add I do not believe our gov't is perfect by any means. I hate that the View has become the Rosie political hour........ Fortunatley, Rosie's worst enemy is Rosie---it is just a matter of time before she creates her own downfall. stepping down now, cookie
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Actually, that's not what Rosie said. That is what a couple of programs said she said though. She Does Not think the government had anything to do with 911. She said she doesn't believe WTC7 was bought down by something more than what has been told. She addresses all of these miss quotes on her blog. As a matter of fact if you go to youtube you can probably she exactly what she said.
I just went to You Tube and type in Rosie O'donnell on the view......She does say that something more had to happen other than fire to make the steel of the WTC7 melt and implode in. She also kept implying that our government had something to do with that although she was very careful not to come out and say it.

I just read the above post after I posted mine and that is the exact show I found and watched!!
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I watch the veiw sometimes. I would rather hear what rosie has to say then Elizabeth. She is the most boring person on t.v. I beleive in freedom of speech but sometimes people get hurt. I only keep the veiw on if I am enjoying the subject matter. Don`t even get me started about Bush. I am so glad he`s going out. Anyone could run this country better then he has.
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I am pretty much a lurker but feel I would like to add my two cents. I do feel Rosie is spreading hate and it makes me sad for our country. I am all for free speech but she seems to have one mission adn that is to make her views known to everyone---truth or fiction. I did see the episode where she talked about the world trade center---she was insinuating the gov't had something to do with it---she was gov't bashing at the time--there was no doubt about it. She also made comments about the british soldiers who were captured in Iranian waters. She felt the British gov't did this on purpose so we would have a reason to go to war with Iran. I believe there are a lot of impressionable people in the world and she is not teaching them to help -- she is teaching them to hate and distrust our gov't. And let me add I do not believe our gov't is perfect by any means. I hate that the View has become the Rosie political hour........ Fortunatley, Rosie's worst enemy is Rosie---it is just a matter of time before she creates her own downfall. stepping down now, cookie
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Most people that insult Fox News DON"T watch it!!!!
I watch Fox all the time much to DH's dismay.

I am one who feels that Fox News in general is quite negative to those who do not buy into their corporate political beliefs- Ann Coulter is a regular and anyone who says she does not spew hate haven't heard her. Bill O'Reilly is downright rude to his guests on the left on a regular basis. The morning show is always blasting people who they don't agree with. I guess if you agree with what they are saying it isn't negative??

As for Rosie she is out there sometimes and can be quite pushy of her views, but she isn't on a NEWS program and that is the difference, she is an entertainer and we all know how much weight we should give celebrities views. I do find Rosie to be brash and loud, as for Elisabeth- the only time I felt Elisabeth was ever out of line was a few weeks ago when she started beratting a guest and Rosie had to shut her up as she wasn't even letting the guest speak. I remember thinking this was a set up putting Rosie and Elisabeth with such a political guest and for the life of me I can't remember who it was.

I watch Fox news regularly because even if I do not agree with the shows I feel it important to listen to opposing views.
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I'm gearing up for the flames...so let me have it....

I'm an avid news hound. I read the Wall Street Journal, New York Time and Chicago Trib everyday. I also hit MSNBC, CNN, and the BBC online at my office (I'll confess to perezehilton and tmz on occasion when I need a little mental sorbet). When it comes to watching the news programs, I'll click through them all, but find very litte NEWS on any of them (Other than BBC America). CNN, FOX, MSNBC, and even aspects of our local nightly news have been so watered down with sensationalism rather than delivering the facts. They've gotten away from delivering news, and have focused more on programing that will speak to whatever sect of people they are targeting at the time (liberal vs. conserv, man vs. woman, young vs. old, pro vs con on any topic). If you really think about it, NEWS on TV has almost become ridiculous. MTV has NEWS....Entertainment Tonight is considered NEWS...and it goes on and on. Four days of non-stop coverage on the Anna Nicole Smith baby case was BREAKING NEWS on just about every channel. They are all guilty of it.

When it comes to our friends at FOX....their is no question they have their own agenda. No different than the folks at NBC, MTV...or even the FoodNetwork. They are speaking to their audience. What it comes down to is one persons "hate speak," might not be anothers. One could pose that CNN spends too much time focusing on the failing aspects of the Bush Amdin. and that is "hate speak" against our President, his team and can even be twisted to saying they are being unsupportive to our troops. In the same turn, one can use the following examples for FOX ( I do believe someone asked for examples of recent "hate speak" from FOX) ...

On the 'Bulls & Bears" business news show, Brend Buttner bashed the Democrats in Congress for wanting to help bail out "Stupid people who can't pay their mortgages." Now, I've seen it on these boards a few times....some of you looking for support from your peers because your DH lost his job or money is really tight...because you are having troble paying bills, does that give any talk show host the right to refer to you as STUPID?

On 3/29 Hannity and Colmes was replete with claims that the Democrats and the Democratic Congress were to blam efor emboldening Iran into seizing the 15 British sailors and mariens. So, if I voted Democrat any time in my life, does that make me personally responsible for capute of these people? In the same show they refered to Rosie O'Donnell as "Tokyo Rosie" and called her a "Gay right activist who's a fat slob and she's mentally ill." Tell me how this quote is any different than what Don Imus said? I'm may not be racially charged....but, it can be viewed as derogatory to Homosexuals....how about the prase "fat solb"...anyone here having issues with their weight? I won't even comment about the mentally ill thing.

Remember the Tsunami. I do. It sent a shockwave through most of our country....and Katrina followed shortly after. Fox News host John Gibson bemoaned the fact that U.S. relief to the Tsumami devastated areas (this came out prior to Katrina)-- getting water, food and shelter to millions of destitute people -- might be part of an insurance scam to simply pay for the cost of rebuilding a resort community. "This is the travel industry, major big hotel companies," he said last week. "How is it that United States taxpayers are going to be convinced you have to build hotels in Phuket?" He worried aloud that "Thailand, Indonesia, India, the countries that got hit [will] say, 'We need dough and we need buckets of it to fix all this so Swedes can go on vacation in Phuket again.'" Nice, huh?

So, you may consider some of that "hate speak"....some my not. I just think of it as TV News Sensationalism....less filling, less facts. It is all about the credibility one gives to the person deliving message. If YOU choose to validate and accept what they are saying, then that is on you.

Frankly, I listen and read a lot of comentary.....I've listened to Don Imus and Howard Stern. I've read Ann Coulter. I've listened to the likes of Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly, Tom Likus, and countless talk show host from Oprah, to Rosie to Johnny Carson. I've personally gone to speaches delived by Hillary Clinton, Jesse Jackson, and Ronald Regan.

I don't often agree with some of these people...but, I listen and respect the one thing they all have in common....and it is the one thing they equally have in common with me....

They are Americans....and have a right to their Opinion. I don't always agree or respect their point of veiw, but I vaule that our county provides the outlets for people (no matter who they are) to be heard. I also vaule that I live in a society that allows me to CHOOSE what I listen to, what I want to read, and above all....what I CHOOSE to believe.

It's the same freedom that allows me to post here.

It is a voice of ignorance that calls for silence.
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Old 04-18-2007, 04:18 PM
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as for Elisabeth- the only time I felt Elisabeth was ever out of line was a few weeks ago when she started beratting a guest and Rosie had to shut her up as she wasn't even letting the guest speak. I remember thinking this was a set up putting Rosie and Elisabeth with such a political guest and for the life of me I can't remember who it was.
It was Rory Kennedy, discussing her documentary/film about Abu Ghraib.

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I'm gearing up for the flames...so let me have it....

I'm an avid news hound. I read the Wall Street Journal, New York Time and Chicago Trib everyday. I also hit MSNBC, CNN, and the BBC online at my office (I'll confess to perezehilton and tmz on occasion when I need a little mental sorbet). When it comes to watching the news programs, I'll click through them all, but find very litte NEWS on any of them (Other than BBC America). CNN, FOX, MSNBC, and even aspects of our local nightly news have been so watered down with sensationalism rather than delivering the facts. They've gotten away from delivering news, and have focused more on programing that will speak to whatever sect of people they are targeting at the time (liberal vs. conserv, man vs. woman, young vs. old, pro vs con on any topic). If you really think about it, NEWS on TV has almost become ridiculous. MTV has NEWS....Entertainment Tonight is considered NEWS...and it goes on and on. Four days of non-stop coverage on the Anna Nicole Smith baby case was BREAKING NEWS on just about every channel. They are all guilty of it.

When it comes to our friends at FOX....their is no question they have their own agenda. No different than the folks at NBC, MTV...or even the FoodNetwork. They are speaking to their audience. What it comes down to is one persons "hate speak," might not be anothers. One could pose that CNN spends too much time focusing on the failing aspects of the Bush Amdin. and that is "hate speak" against our President, his team and can even be twisted to saying they are being unsupportive to our troops. In the same turn, one can use the following examples for FOX ( I do believe someone asked for examples of recent "hate speak" from FOX) ...

[...]

It is a voice of ignorance that calls for silence.
Good points and great post.
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Old 04-18-2007, 04:18 PM
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I am pretty much a lurker but feel I would like to add my two cents. I do feel Rosie is spreading hate and it makes me sad for our country. I am all for free speech but she seems to have one mission adn that is to make her views known to everyone---truth or fiction. I did see the episode where she talked about the world trade center---she was insinuating the gov't had something to do with it---she was gov't bashing at the time--there was no doubt about it. She also made comments about the british soldiers who were captured in Iranian waters. She felt the British gov't did this on purpose so we would have a reason to go to war with Iran. I believe there are a lot of impressionable people in the world and she is not teaching them to help -- she is teaching them to hate and distrust our gov't. And let me add I do not believe our gov't is perfect by any means. I hate that the View has become the Rosie political hour........ Fortunatley, Rosie's worst enemy is Rosie---it is just a matter of time before she creates her own downfall. stepping down now, cookie

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Old 04-18-2007, 04:37 PM
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No one is calling for "silence". I'm not ignorant. I feel in a moral society there are limits. Like I've said before-you can't yell fire in a crowded theater! Some common sense must apply in what people are allowed to say. Otherwise it's a verbal no holds barred free for all. Not productive and possibly damaging.
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Old 04-18-2007, 04:53 PM
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Things seem to be heating up here........I would just like you to know that I could yell fire in a crowded theater......that would be my choice....however if I got arrested later b/c someone got hurt then that is the consequences of my actions. Or if someone beat me down after they figured out there was no fire and were pissed cause they missed their movie! Again the consequences of MY actions......Rosie's consequences will be that no one will listen to her if everyone feels what she says isn't valid. And I'm sorry I have already said this once before but, if you keep turning on the program the ratings will stay up and you will be partially resonsible for keeping her on the air. I just turn the channel!
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Old 04-18-2007, 05:24 PM
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I'm gearing up for the flames...so let me have it....

I'm an avid news hound. I read the Wall Street Journal, New York Time and Chicago Trib everyday. I also hit MSNBC, CNN, and the BBC online at my office (I'll confess to perezehilton and tmz on occasion when I need a little mental sorbet). When it comes to watching the news programs, I'll click through them all, but find very litte NEWS on any of them (Other than BBC America). CNN, FOX, MSNBC, and even aspects of our local nightly news have been so watered down with sensationalism rather than delivering the facts. They've gotten away from delivering news, and have focused more on programing that will speak to whatever sect of people they are targeting at the time (liberal vs. conserv, man vs. woman, young vs. old, pro vs con on any topic). If you really think about it, NEWS on TV has almost become ridiculous. MTV has NEWS....Entertainment Tonight is considered NEWS...and it goes on and on. Four days of non-stop coverage on the Anna Nicole Smith baby case was BREAKING NEWS on just about every channel. They are all guilty of it.

When it comes to our friends at FOX....their is no question they have their own agenda. No different than the folks at NBC, MTV...or even the FoodNetwork. They are speaking to their audience. What it comes down to is one persons "hate speak," might not be anothers. One could pose that CNN spends too much time focusing on the failing aspects of the Bush Amdin. and that is "hate speak" against our President, his team and can even be twisted to saying they are being unsupportive to our troops. In the same turn, one can use the following examples for FOX ( I do believe someone asked for examples of recent "hate speak" from FOX) ...

On the 'Bulls & Bears" business news show, Brend Buttner bashed the Democrats in Congress for wanting to help bail out "Stupid people who can't pay their mortgages." Now, I've seen it on these boards a few times....some of you looking for support from your peers because your DH lost his job or money is really tight...because you are having troble paying bills, does that give any talk show host the right to refer to you as STUPID?

On 3/29 Hannity and Colmes was replete with claims that the Democrats and the Democratic Congress were to blam efor emboldening Iran into seizing the 15 British sailors and mariens. So, if I voted Democrat any time in my life, does that make me personally responsible for capute of these people? In the same show they refered to Rosie O'Donnell as "Tokyo Rosie" and called her a "Gay right activist who's a fat slob and she's mentally ill." Tell me how this quote is any different than what Don Imus said? I'm may not be racially charged....but, it can be viewed as derogatory to Homosexuals....how about the prase "fat solb"...anyone here having issues with their weight? I won't even comment about the mentally ill thing.

Remember the Tsunami. I do. It sent a shockwave through most of our country....and Katrina followed shortly after. Fox News host John Gibson bemoaned the fact that U.S. relief to the Tsumami devastated areas (this came out prior to Katrina)-- getting water, food and shelter to millions of destitute people -- might be part of an insurance scam to simply pay for the cost of rebuilding a resort community. "This is the travel industry, major big hotel companies," he said last week. "How is it that United States taxpayers are going to be convinced you have to build hotels in Phuket?" He worried aloud that "Thailand, Indonesia, India, the countries that got hit [will] say, 'We need dough and we need buckets of it to fix all this so Swedes can go on vacation in Phuket again.'" Nice, huh?

So, you may consider some of that "hate speak"....some my not. I just think of it as TV News Sensationalism....less filling, less facts. It is all about the credibility one gives to the person deliving message. If YOU choose to validate and accept what they are saying, then that is on you.

Frankly, I listen and read a lot of comentary.....I've listened to Don Imus and Howard Stern. I've read Ann Coulter. I've listened to the likes of Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly, Tom Likus, and countless talk show host from Oprah, to Rosie to Johnny Carson. I've personally gone to speaches delived by Hillary Clinton, Jesse Jackson, and Ronald Regan.

I don't often agree with some of these people...but, I listen and respect the one thing they all have in common....and it is the one thing they equally have in common with me....

They are Americans....and have a right to their Opinion. I don't always agree or respect their point of veiw, but I vaule that our county provides the outlets for people (no matter who they are) to be heard. I also vaule that I live in a society that allows me to CHOOSE what I listen to, what I want to read, and above all....what I CHOOSE to believe.

It's the same freedom that allows me to post here.

It is a voice of ignorance that calls for silence.
VERY well said.
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Old 04-18-2007, 05:34 PM
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Things seem to be heating up here........I would just like you to know that I could yell fire in a crowded theater......that would be my choice....however if I got arrested later b/c someone got hurt then that is the consequences of my actions. Or if someone beat me down after they figured out there was no fire and were pissed cause they missed their movie! Again the consequences of MY actions......Rosie's consequences will be that no one will listen to her if everyone feels what she says isn't valid. And I'm sorry I have already said this once before but, if you keep turning on the program the ratings will stay up and you will be partially resonsible for keeping her on the air. I just turn the channel!
There is a HUGE difference between shouting "fire" in a crowded building and expressing passionately the veiws you feel on politics and life in general. Bad comparison.

Everyone has a right to their opinion nobody has a right to cause a riot by lying. If you actually believed there was fire and yelled it and there was not you would still be commended for trying to save people you felt were in danger.

Well that is what Rosie is doing. She (like myself and MANY MANY others) feel our rights are being taken away, our children are being killed in a foreign land for the wrong reasons (based on lies) that the media and the govt are trying to distract us from the real issues, that every resident of the US be treated equally, and that the people who serve our country in the military deserve to be treated better than used toilet paper.
What the heck is so wrong with that? Are there those of you out there that believe the govt has NOT lied to us? That believe that veterans are being treated right? That gay Americans and their children don't deserve the same rights as the rest of us? That there is ANTYTHING more important than the fact that our family memebers are being blown apart by bombs in a foreign land and that families in the US are suffering because trillions of dollars are being diverted to Iraq to build them schools and roads, etc while we watch our neighbors lose everything. My county Lane County OR is losing $40 million this year because federal timber money (from our state's timber) is being diverted to "help the cause" instead of coming to us.

What is wrong with an American citizen complaining about all this? I wish I had a talk show so I could give people my point of view and my possible solutions to things.
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Old 04-18-2007, 05:35 PM
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Actually, that's not what Rosie said. That is what a couple of programs said she said though. She Does Not think the government had anything to do with 911. She said she doesn't believe WTC7 was bought down by something more than what has been told. She addresses all of these miss quotes on her blog. As a matter of fact if you go to youtube you can probably she exactly what she said.

I was watching The View one of the many days she said "it defies physics the way this building came down....." and how she strongly believes the gov't -OUR Gov't- was involved. So, I have to disagree with you here.

I think Rosie has a very strong opinion and tries to force it on other people. I don't know if, IMO, she spews hate. I would say she is opinionated.

I didn't like the time she "outted" McGyver, calling him Mc GAYver. When someone corrected her, she said, "oh no, he's gay, so I call him McGayver".

I still watch the View, and think all the women on there have good hearts, and faults, much like the rest of us.

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No one is calling for "silence". I'm not ignorant. I feel in a moral society there are limits. Like I've said before-you can't yell fire in a crowded theater! Some common sense must apply in what people are allowed to say. Otherwise it's a verbal no holds barred free for all. Not productive and possibly damaging.


Everyone has a different meaning of "common sense" tho. Your idea of it, may not be the same as mine. So, if you don't like something, let your money speak for you. That's what I did in regards to the Imus situation
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