I read in another post that Rosie "outed" McGiver (sp??) by calling him McGavyer. And THAT is the free speech people are applauding. That's just rude. If that had happened to Rosie before she came out and she didn't want it out what do you think she would have done??? Applauded free speech?? I doubt it.
Roises mouth belongs on cable not network tv. That's my biggest beef with what she is saying. That kind of talk doesn't need to be on NETWORK tv.

I think you may be missing the idea of free speech. It isn't saying just what YOU (general) want someone to say. While I don't agree with her outing the guy, I am still for FREE Speech. It is the freedom to say what you want. A person still has to be personally responsible for what comes out of their mouth. If you don't think Rosie belongs on network tv you have the freedom to write to the station or whoever you would/could write to in regards to that. I am all about putting my money where my mouth is.

I am not saying I agree with everything Rosie, or anyone else, says, but, I am in support of them having the freedom of speech to say it. I have the freedom to change the channel, change the station, heck, write to my President if I wanted to, and tell them how I feel. That is the thing about freedom, it is good AND bad, in cases like this. I think more people need to be held personally responsible.

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Free speech does not mean I or you or she or he agrees with what the person says. It means we live in America and people have the right to say what they will.

The people who "hate" Rosie and are always complaining about her "big mouth" and "hate speech" are usually the same people who spew "patriotism" and say we must fight wars to keep our way of life safe.

Either you believe in democracy and free speech for everyone or you just believe in it for those who agree with your views if that's the case that is hypocrisy.

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And that was WRONG!!!!! I don't defend her. But at least it was on CABLE not network.

Is this the woman who wrote that book and said something to the effect of the 911 widows were glad their husband's died??? Can someone please clarify this?

thanks.

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What the heck difference does it make if it's on cable or network? You only have the right to free speech on the Fox News on cable?

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No one is on topic to the point I was trying to make about free speech on NETWORK tv versus CABLE. Cable can do what it wants. I'm offended with her talk on NETWORK tv. Does anyone want to address THAT?

If Rosie doesn't belong on network T.V., as you say then Oprah, Dr. Phil and Montel don't belong on T.V. either. These people do a job in which there opinions are paid for. The only way you can stop them is, And I apologize in advance b/c I know Im harping on this, to turn the channel. That is the only power you as a consumer of the "television product" has. I don't like Oprah or Rosie or Montel and Dr. Phil gets on my nerves! So, I don't watch them! Don't add to their ratings, by watching it and inflating their numbers. Do you think the network executive's care if ppl are watching b/c they love or hate Rosie? NO, they only care about the great numbers she's pulling for the network!!

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Oprah and Dr. Phil don't spew such venom. and they don't out people and they don't hint the govt is behind 911 and they don't say ching chang ching to Asian Americans! C'mon folks be reasonable. You can't compare Oprah or Dr. Phil to Rosie.

I so agree with you. Someone please find another person to pic on for awhile.nancy

Yes, that's Ann Coulter and she is obnoxious.

YOU are offended by her talk. That is YOU, not everyone. So, because YOU are offended by something (in this case Rosie) it should not be on network TV. Can you see how that would be considered a dictatorship?

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It is their opinions, it is her opinion. I'm not seeing the difference? Please explain.

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Now it's a dictatorship???? Hilarious!!! So, let me get this right. According to you who defend her there is NOTHING a person can't say on television. Or do any of you have any limits at all??

I have to tell you I have been majorly offended by some of the things Oprah has said!!!!!! So clearly I have limits......I again have a choice and my choice is to listen once and if I don't like what I hear then I'm not going to cause myself grief and keep listening.....i don't have time in my life to waste on ppl I consider offensive.

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If you don't know the difference between network and cable try watching The L Word on Showtime and see if you want that on network tv???

I so agree with you. Someone please find another person to pic on for awhile.nancy

And once again I ask: what is the difference? Does freedom of speech only apply to cable tv? Am I missing something here?

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I am not defending what anyone says, only their right to say it. I am shocked at many things I hear on TV. That doesn't mean they should be taken off the air.

Let me see if I can make this a little clearer. Let's take Rosie out of the picture. I watch "XYZ" program, and on that program is Jane Doe. She is constantly talking about how wonderful black coffee is...nothing in it, just black. No sugar, no cream, no black. Well, no matter what anyone else tries to tell her, it doesn't matter, she only likes it black, and believes that is the ONLY way to drink it. I don't agree with her opinion. Should she be off the airways?? WHAT the person is saying is irrelevant, IMO. Now, don't get me wrong, if someone gets on TV and starts cussing up a storm and things like that, now, THAT is a different story. Yes, they have the freedom to say these things, still, but, the TV stations have a responsibility to keep that off the air. There is a line, so to speak.

I hope that helped to clear it up. Also, I'm not picking on you, just trying to show my point, and explain what FREE Speech is.

Shall we move on to discuss the "partial birth abortion" ban now???

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I'll tell ya this. I'm conservative, can ya tell?, and I don't think someone like Ann Coulter should ever have a show on network tv. She's too obnoxious and can be mean. Rosie is downright rude and I dont' think the world needs any more rudeness. Maybe if she presented herself in a more mature, non inflamatory way I wouldn't be so opposed to her. I think a lot of it is her presentation with such viciousnes and rage does not belong on netowrk tv. "View" or not, it's supposed to be presented in a mature way. I believe Rosie lost her right when she starting name calling and outing people, etc....
Is the N word ok for all of you? You want that to be on an afternoon tv show your children can watch? It's free speech afterall? You HAVE to have some limits.....

Please don't give any ideas out. This debate is enough for me for one night!!!

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I am a conservative as well, but I believe in the constitution. The right to free speech!!

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THANK GOD FOR THE PARTIAL BIRTH ABROTION BAN. That technique is so incredibly horrible!!!
Pulling out the babys body, taking an istrument to open the babys head and suck out the material and then deliver the head. If that's not inhumane and barbaric I don't know what is!!!!
Black coffee is not hate speech, some of what Rosie rants about really is. There's a huge difference.

Dear Lord lets stick to the subject!!

I think that we can move on to that one later! LOL

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who here is willing to defend Imus's freedom of speech?

You are correct Madam!!

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I will!

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Then it's also ok to say the N word!! I really DON"T see the difference. None of you "free speechers' will set any type of limit so why NOT that word???? Why is it ok to out someone-that's NOT her business to do-and it could cause problems for the person she outed. That seems to be beyond free speech. Surely you MUST have some limits-what are they and why??????

Oh good grief!!!

I have my opinion of Rosie. I kind of liked her when she did her own show but since then I just don't really care for her with things that she spouts off BUT I turn the channel so I don't have to listen. It is that simple for me.

Freedom of speech, yes we all have it and are very fortunate to have that right. I think one can decipher when they are just being rude and causing a scene. I think it all has to do with ratings and the attention she brings to the show because of all the little nit picking she has done to others and when someone uses their freedom of speech back she gets all worked up.

The drama will never end, that's television for ya

I was answering another persons post. And the TRUTH is the TRUTH!!!!! yAnd you are all in here for a reason and I'm not spouting it on national tv either!!!!! Would a description of a late term abortion in graphic terms be ok for "The View"? Afterall, it truly is what happesn?????? Would THAT offend any of you????

The N word is used everyday by rappers....and I'm sure lots of other people.....does that mean I want to hear it? NO Do I censor what I don't want to hear? YES Do I think that the government should decide on what I'm "allowed" to hear? NO People should censor for themselves. But NO ONE has a right to tell me what I can say or can't say...They DO have the right to what they HEAR and don't HEAR!!

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Any type of abortion would offend me, TURN THE CHANNEL!!!!!

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What about outing someone on national tv?????

LOL, ROFLOL.....right, please, can we just have one high blood pressure inducing topic at a time, please. I threw that in there as a joke, because I'm FREE to do that

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I can say anything I want to, It doesn't make it true. And If thats how that went down then her "friend" should take her to task. Maybe he wanted her to say it. Sometimes its easier when someone else tells a secret.

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Someone tell me what you wouln't allow to be said!!! I KNOW all of you must have limits. Someone answer the N word question too!! It's free speech! It's not inciting a riot so why not that one too?

So it's ok for someone to out someone????????? Really??????

Me too, just like I would defend any other person's right to free speech. I may not like what they have to say, but, I like that they have the right to say it.

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I thought I answered the N word question already

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Again how do you know she OUTED him??? How do you know it wasn't planned.?? Lots of "celebritys"use the media to air their secrets.

Someone start another post for Freedom of speech now please!

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Ok, I will.....there is nothing I would not allow to be said. What will I choose to listen to??? Now, that's a different question altogether. I know, and I teach my children, that everyone has an opinion, and that doesn't make it wrong....or right.

As far as the N word, sure, let it be said on afternoon TV. I'd be one of the first calling the station, the FCC (??) and whoever else I felt the need to call and let them know it is inappropriate, and I will choose to not watch that show as long as they allow that word to be said. As for my children, I have told them that the N word is an ignorant person's word to describe a black person. It's not a pleasant word, and mature, civilized people don't use it.

There is a huge difference in a person's legal rights and their moral rights. I really don't know how else to put this. Sorry.

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Is there a full moon tonight?

I think what you are trying to say is "what is ACCEPTABLE on network TV"??

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I think the media, in general, has become very slimy. The rudest, most shocking shows are what sells (ala Howard Stern, Bill O'Reilly, Jerry Springer, Ann C, even Rosie, etc.).

Nice is a harder sell. Those offerings are more few and far between.

Nothing is going to change unless people do what someone else mentioned above - put your money where your mouth is. Don't just turn away, or turn off your T.V. That's not enough. Call, write, email the networks, and more impoartantly contact the companies that sponsor the shows through their commercials. THAT'S where it counts!

Remember way back when that one lady out west contacted "Coca-Cola" to complain about their advertising on "Married With Children?" Coke ended up pulling all their advertisements due to that ONE lady!

All of those media programs (except for public television, to a degree) only care about the bottom line. They put the entertainers on there who will draw a crowd. They do not hold themselves responsible for the way these shows impact children, or anyone. They call that the parents' job.

If you want a show to go down, then you need to contact the people who sponsor the show. If you are lucky enough to get one of those surveys to fill out (sent randomly) that also might have a little impact. Otherwise, turning off the show in your own home just makes it go away in your home.

Someday, I hope other people stop settling for the garbage that's offered on T.V. I think the graphics, sexuality and violence have made a horrible impact on our adolescents. We wonder how kids can become so desensitized and violent as that gunman this week.

To try to bring my rants back to the original topic - Yes, I do think we have to tolerate some of the jerks on T.V. for now. But if they have a voice, then so do you. Make yourself heard by the big corporations. Eventually, the pathetic TV landscape as we now know it might improve. They're only putting out there what the masses buy into.

I can't figure out how to make a howling sound. So just pretend you heard it!!!

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Why is THAT word offensive and worth calling the FCC over but all the other mean and nasty and racist things aren't? So what you are saying is there are some things that should NOT be said on tv. If Rosie (or anyone) had given their "opinion" that those nwords in New Orleans deserved what they got for not evacuating in time during Katrina who would complain besides you and me??? Would any of you free speechers complain? Obviously I don't approve of that word. And it is immature and immoral but so are some of the other things she has said and done. Why allow that kind of talk at all?????

Ok but if you hear snoring that is my husband and kids.

I dont approve of the way the conversation has all of a sudden imploded.....so I'm using my Free speech to say nothing on this post again!

I don't know if you are trying to say shocking things to prove your point but, here is mine I have limits and your pushing mine. I am using my freedom to ingore your Hate speech. Have a goodnight.

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Because that is MY opinion. Others may be fine with it, and get offended by different things. The bottom line is that a person has the FREEDOM to say it. WE have the FREEDOM to express our dissatisfaction for it. Just because a person believes in FREEDOM of Speech does NOT mean they agree with or approve of everything that is said.

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Please don't start another Rosie thread... I'm begging.

Where are the mods! They let this one get over 60.

I was sitting here kind of wishing I was a mod so I could axe it.

WHAT AM I SAYING???

Typical -won't answer a legitimate question and calls my speech hate speech!! Hilariously hyprocritical!! Good night to you !!!