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Old 05-03-2007, 11:52 PM
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Don't go to the gas pumps on May 16th.

Subject: May 15th - - -Don't Pump Gas


NO GAS ... on May 15th 2007.


Don't pump gas on may 15th.



In April, 1997, there was a "gas out" conducted nationwide in protest of

gas prices. Gasoline prices dropped 30 cents a gallon overnight.


On May 15th, 2007 all internet users are asked to not go to a gas

station and pump gas in protest of high gas prices. Gas is now over

$3.00 a gallon in most places.



There are 73,000,000+ American members currently on the internet

network, and the average car takes about 30 to 50 dollars to fill up.


If all users did not go to the pump on the 15th, it would take

$2,292,000,000.00 (that's almost 3 BILLION) out of the oil companies

pockets for just one day, so please do not go to the gas station on May

15th and lets try to put a dent in the middle eastern oil industry for

at least one day.



If you agree (and I can' t see why you wouldn't' t) resend this to

everyone on your contact list with it saying ''Don't pump gas on May 15th".
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Old 05-04-2007, 07:59 AM
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Urban Legends Reference Pages: Don't Buy Gas on May 15

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Old 05-04-2007, 09:53 AM
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One day really isn't going to do much...we have cut back as much as possible. Hubby still has to drive to work and I still have to drive to grocery store (35 miles to wrok each way and 22 to grocery store). I only drive once a week most weeks...so I guess instead of a gas out for one day, I would ecourage everyone to cut back on using gas if they haven't already
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Old 05-04-2007, 01:43 PM
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My DD came home from school the other day and was talking about her teacher was telling them all of this. I have seen an email passed around many many times about this.

Everyone is going to have to get gas the day before or the day after, I don't hardly think one day is going to make a difference.
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Old 05-04-2007, 07:38 PM
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Maybe an urban legend but if we all do it it will be true!

Umm, no it won't.

Read the entire urban legend to see the explanation of why it is a silly idea.
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Old 05-05-2007, 12:23 AM
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I am personally so sick of all these gas price hikes!!! It is completely ridiculous!!!! US oil companies last year reported PROFITS!! Well of course they did, prices were over $3 when Katrina hit and stayed high. So someone is getting RICH off of us!!! I believe our wonderful President Bush is responsible for this. And I don't buy that this is all about foreign oil either. I think the US still produces alot of its own. These prices are just sickening. I've been hearing we could possibly even see $4 a gallon this summer. The average person won't even be able to afford to get to work to make money to pay for these astronomical gas prices!!!!
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I am personally so sick of all these gas price hikes!!! It is completely ridiculous!!!! US oil companies last year reported PROFITS!! Well of course they did, prices were over $3 when Katrina hit and stayed high. So someone is getting RICH off of us!!! I believe our wonderful President Bush is responsible for this. And I don't buy that this is all about foreign oil either. I think the US still produces alot of its own. These prices are just sickening. I've been hearing we could possibly even see $4 a gallon this summer. The average person won't even be able to afford to get to work to make money to pay for these astronomical gas prices!!!!

How is President Bush responsible for this? Is he suppose to tell companies how they should do business? That is our job as citizens. We are the ones that need to let companies know that prices are unacceptable. Everyone said the same thing last year when prices were coming close to $3. Oh we won't be able to go anywhere etc. Well, everyone obviously paid for gas or we wouldn't be where we are now. I recall when I got married in 94 and living in Missouri. gas prices were 89 cents. When we moved back to California in 96 they were over $1. and everyone was complaining. Gas companies are doing this because they can. The only way to stop it is to let them know we won't buy from them anymore and that means stop buying gas completely and "everyone will not do this"
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Old 05-05-2007, 08:42 AM
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How is President Bush responsible for this? Is he suppose to tell companies how they should do business? That is our job as citizens. We are the ones that need to let companies know that prices are unacceptable. Everyone said the same thing last year when prices were coming close to $3. Oh we won't be able to go anywhere etc. Well, everyone obviously paid for gas or we wouldn't be where we are now. I recall when I got married in 94 and living in Missouri. gas prices were 89 cents. When we moved back to California in 96 they were over $1. and everyone was complaining. Gas companies are doing this because they can. The only way to stop it is to let them know we won't buy from them anymore and that means stop buying gas completely and "everyone will not do this"


Actually, the Bushes own a big chunk(more than enough to sit on/control the board) of Exxon stock. So I'm sure his pockets are being kept quite full. Our government didn't mind telling Bill Gates his profits were too big,controlling the market,blah,blah,blah. But this is different, our president profits from this so the people are just gonna have to get used to it. Most people cannot afford a car that doesn't use gas and they never will because they will work themselves to death and never get ahead--This is not all of G.W.'s fault but he certainly could do something to provide relief for "his" people. But, then that would take $$ out of his pockets. It's a very messed up world that we are living in today. Funny how things turn out.
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Old 05-05-2007, 10:00 PM
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I think if everyone cut down on their gas useage all the time it would help bring the prices down. One day of not buying gas is not going to make a difference if people don't cut back on their driving overall. Yes, everyone has to drive to work. Do we car pool? Do we make extra trips to the grocery? Are we combining trips when we can? Are we still going on vacation? Still making useless driving trips to run to the store instead of waiting? Some people are doing all they can, others are not. Until everyone is on board the prices won't come down. Some people are just not willing to give anything extra up and they don't care what they have to pay. It's a personal decision.
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Old 05-05-2007, 11:36 PM
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I was just curious and looked at the poll on the board about the high prices of gas and are you going to change things. This is from this board, 54% (subject to change as more people are added to the poll) are not planning on changing or making very little changes, only 12% (subject to change) are willing to make drastic changes, whether out of necessity or choice. I think this board is not like the general public, in the fact that we are all here to find ways to save money, get cheap prices on things, get freebies, we are not the typical American consumers. If only 12% of us are willing to make drasitc changes, how much of the general population will be willing to make drastic changes? Just interesting to look at/think about!
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This isn't at all a situation of Bush lining the family profits with cash.

A small percentage of our oil comes from domestic sources. OPEC and other organizations have a big impact on what we ultimately pay at the pump.

While I think it's insane that we are paying as much as we are, many oil companies are plowing those profits into two key investments - drilling and refinery building. They have to pull a profit to have the cash on hand to do those things. A single well - which could very well be a dry hole after all is said and done - easily costs hundreds of thousands of dollars to drill. It's a very expensive business to be in.

Oil companies have developed new technologies in the past few years, such as horizontal drilling techniques, that are allowing them to get to oil previously untouchable. It's pricey, but effective.

The Bushes don't need money from oil stocks in order to eat lobster every night. They're pretty well set, and have been in the money game for enough generations to know that the market is going to ebb and flow. It's not in anyone's interest (in the family, that is) for GWB to try to influence the market to make his family rich, but garner resentment for having done so. There are other Bushes with political careers, and he has to know that would be a nail in the coffin of their family's political future for him to toy with the market... especially given that they're wealthy as all get out and don't *need* to rely on a faked-up cost of energy just to make themselves go from insanely rich to crazy insanely rich.
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Old 05-06-2007, 04:16 AM
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I am personally so sick of all these gas price hikes!!! It is completely ridiculous!!!! US oil companies last year reported PROFITS!! Well of course they did, prices were over $3 when Katrina hit and stayed high. So someone is getting RICH off of us!!! I believe our wonderful President Bush is responsible for this. And I don't buy that this is all about foreign oil either. I think the US still produces alot of its own. These prices are just sickening. I've been hearing we could possibly even see $4 a gallon this summer. The average person won't even be able to afford to get to work to make money to pay for these astronomical gas prices!!!!
Gasp, a company made profits?? That is the goal of all companies! I'm sure their shareholders are pleased that the company made a profit. Also, do not forget that many other companies have their retirement plans invested in the stock of oil companies and thus if Exxon didn't make a profit, their stock would suffer therefore the retirement plans of many people would suffer. Moreover, in a time when China and India are quickly becoming major oil consumers, of course oil is going to go up in price! It's jsupply and demand - just common sense. The more something is needed, the higher the prices will go. OPEC for the most part contols the price of oil - GW Bush does not sit in the oval office and decide how much to charge for oil. I suppose it was his fault in the 70s when pumps ran dry and lines were miles long at gas stations? Research just how much oil the US does or does not refine and you'll be suprised. Finally, while we are researching alternative fuels, it's high time we open ANWR for drilling.
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Old 05-07-2007, 09:09 PM
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How is President Bush responsible for this? Is he suppose to tell companies how they should do business? That is our job as citizens. We are the ones that need to let companies know that prices are unacceptable. Everyone said the same thing last year when prices were coming close to $3. Oh we won't be able to go anywhere etc. Well, everyone obviously paid for gas or we wouldn't be where we are now. I recall when I got married in 94 and living in Missouri. gas prices were 89 cents. When we moved back to California in 96 they were over $1. and everyone was complaining. Gas companies are doing this because they can. The only way to stop it is to let them know we won't buy from them anymore and that means stop buying gas completely and "everyone will not do this"
boy do i diagree with you. I think Bush has a lot to do with it. all the people want our troops out of iraq and they keep saying it and is it doing any good. no and why because our wonderful president doesnt want it to end. funny how he is from texas and am i wrong or is texas ah oil country. I truely believe that bush is the problem with alot of bad going on in this country. He doesnt care because he cant be re-elected. and he is going to what he wants for the rest of his time. sorry but Im mad.
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boy do i diagree with you. I think Bush has a lot to do with it. all the people want our troops out of iraq and they keep saying it and is it doing any good. no and why because our wonderful president doesnt want it to end. funny how he is from texas and am i wrong or is texas ah oil country. I truely believe that bush is the problem with alot of bad going on in this country. He doesnt care because he cant be re-elected. and he is going to what he wants for the rest of his time. sorry but Im mad.
What do you base your opinion on though? Can you show us where it states that Bush decides the price of oil? I'm confused. Opinions are one thing, but facts are another. Moreover, while I want the troops to come home as soon as possible (especially since my husband is there and my son is preparing to deploy there), there are many people who believe that leaving Iraq before the Iraqis are able to handle the job themselves, would be the wrong thing to do. So, "all the people" do not want the troops to be immediately redeployed if that's what you were suggesting in your post.
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Old 05-08-2007, 11:57 AM
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I am all for using less gas but let's be realistic. Our society and our neighborhoods are built on the idea that people drive and they don't want to change their ways.
I personally live in the country 15 miles from anything. There are no stores, nothing is here but the Post Office and a convenience store and a restaurant and bar.
There are no buses because buses are subsidized by businessess in this county and there are no businesses here.
If I want to work, eat, pay bills, buy toilet paper, I have no choice but to drive everywhere. Yes we did look for a house in town but this is what we could afford.
For my job I drive around the county by myself. I feel somewhat guilty about it but I need to pay my mortgage and eat what can I do? Work at a fast food restaurant? (not that there's anything wrong with that but living on the West Coast making minimum wage does not cut it if you do not want to live under a bridge)
I looked into buying a Hybrid I was told by the dealer and two independent mechanics that for my vehicle it would cost about $3500 three or four times over the life of the vehicle to replace the thing that charges or converts or whatever to the batteries. That is ridiculous I could buy a second really nice used car or a little new car for that price.
As for Biodiesel and other alternative fuels, I can't take a chance of being stuck out in the rural area and not having a source of fuel.
The way I see it there needs to be a combination of three things done:
1. We (all of us) have to be conscious of our voluntary gas useage and combine trips, walk more, carpool, etc.
2. Neighborhoods and cities need to be designed to make it effiecient and self contained so people can walk and take buses to things.
3. The govt needs to provide incentives for companies and individuals to develop alternatives to fossil fuels and the people who legislate us need to dump their interests in oil companies. Also individuals need to be able to take some tax breaks to allow for the rising costs.

It does come down to money. First of all the richer you are the more you can seriously consider replacing your gas using vehichles with something else. You can choose where you live. You can have solar power, that heating whose name escapes me but uses recirculating hot water, you can insulate your home and use modern efficient updates.

Think of the poor single mom who has to go to work, drop of kids at school, child care, Dr's appts, etc then pick them all up pick up groceries etc. She may be driving an old used dragon car that pollutes the air and gets poor gas mileage but she needs it and what else can she do?
Or the people who have inefficient heating in their homes that cost triple what a new system would cost in monthly bills.
Money on the other hand is what is keeping this going. They are making billions from the oil. As long as there are billions of dollars to be made there will be corruption, collusion, and other underhanded tricks to keep us dependent.
Vote for people who support alternatives and who don't own stock in these companies.
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What do you base your opinion on though? Can you show us where it states that Bush decides the price of oil? I'm confused. Opinions are one thing, but facts are another. Moreover, while I want the troops to come home as soon as possible (especially since my husband is there and my son is preparing to deploy there), there are many people who believe that leaving Iraq before the Iraqis are able to handle the job themselves, would be the wrong thing to do. So, "all the people" do not want the troops to be immediately redeployed if that's what you were suggesting in your post.
I don`t think Bush sets the price of fuel but I think he could do something for us. Give the american people a rebate to help or lower the tax rate on fuel. I wasn`t suggesting that all the people want the troops home, if I said that i`m sorry but most of the people according to the news I watch. You know its not even the gas for auto`s that worries me it`s the fuel to keep warm. I`m in the Northeast and I can prepay but it means a big chunk of cash.
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boy do i diagree with you. I think Bush has a lot to do with it. all the people want our troops out of iraq and they keep saying it and is it doing any good. no and why because our wonderful president doesnt want it to end. funny how he is from texas and am i wrong or is texas ah oil country. I truely believe that bush is the problem with alot of bad going on in this country. He doesnt care because he cant be re-elected. and he is going to what he wants for the rest of his time. sorry but Im mad.
What does the troops in Iraq and not coming home have to do with our gas prices. I'm really confused by that. Are you saying that by keeping them there Bush is able to keep the oil prices high which then causes us to pay more at the gas station? Again, Bush isn't the one in charge of oil prices. It's greedy corporations that are doing it. Was life so wonderful under Clinton? I'm pretty sure I was paying too much for gas when he was in office. I'm pretty sure there were homeless people when he was in office. I'm sure there were bad people when he was in office but maybe I'm mistaken and it's just been since Bush came into office that all these changes happened.
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gasoline prices were reasonably low until *gasp* hurricane Katrina. After that, the prices went skyward and that was that. I don't blame any government--foreign or local for the hurricane or it's strength.

It's more comforting to know that my $3.30 a gallon for gasoline is low compared to: Canada's $1.80 a liter (aka $6.84 per gallon), Germany's $1.50 a liter (aka $5.79 per gallon), Norway's $1.70 a liter (aka $6.48 per gallon) and California's $4.33 per gallon.

Demand worldwide is up for gas and oil and it doesn't have anything to do with who sits in the oval office. Whether our troops are stateside or in harm's way doesn't effect the cost of gasoline either.

Time to trade in those big gas guzzlers and get something that is better on gasoline...or a really good pair of walking shoes.

For as much as I hate admitting this (because it's a nice place to visit if you are from the midwest, but it's hard to adjust if you have to LIVE there)...NYC is the place to live if you want to escape the cost of gasoline. Their mass transportation system is one of the best in the world.
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Yep that's what happened when Bush took office these changes happened. I believe life was pretty good when Clinton was in office. I will have to do a search but I don't remember gas prices being 3 something a gallon but then again I maybe wrong.
I guess that energy crisis we had during his admin was just in my imagination. I seem to recall hearings with Congress and Clinton in 2000 putting oil in reserves and everyone including Gore asking to give it back. Didn't the republicans have an energy bill back then asking to repeal the federal gas tax if prices went above $2. Let's think about that. They were worried about it going above $2. When I lived in St. Louis in 1994 gas was 89 cents a gallon. So somehow between Sept 94 and sometime in 2000 gas prices went up over $1. Maybe that all happened right at the end though and it was on;y because Bush was coming into office.
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What does the troops in Iraq and not coming home have to do with our gas prices. I'm really confused by that. Are you saying that by keeping them there Bush is able to keep the oil prices high which then causes us to pay more at the gas station? Again, Bush isn't the one in charge of oil prices. It's greedy corporations that are doing it. Was life so wonderful under Clinton? I'm pretty sure I was paying too much for gas when he was in office. I'm pretty sure there were homeless people when he was in office. I'm sure there were bad people when he was in office but maybe I'm mistaken and it's just been since Bush came into office that all these changes happened.
Your not getting my point. maggiefarms said it was up to the people to do something about the gas prices and I said just like the people want the troops out of iraq and are getting listened to. He doesnt listen to the american people about that and i truley beleive that he could do something about the gas prices aven if it is lowering the tax on gas.
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I guess that energy crisis we had during his admin was just in my imagination. I seem to recall hearings with Congress and Clinton in 2000 putting oil in reserves and everyone including Gore asking to give it back. Didn't the republicans have an energy bill back then asking to repeal the federal gas tax if prices went above $2. Let's think about that. They were worried about it going above $2. When I lived in St. Louis in 1994 gas was 89 cents a gallon. So somehow between Sept 94 and sometime in 2000 gas prices went up over $1. Maybe that all happened right at the end though and it was on;y because Bush was coming into office.
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Your not getting my point. maggiefarms said it was up to the people to do something about the gas prices and I said just like the people want the troops out of iraq and are getting listened to. He doesnt listen to the american people about that and i truley beleive that he could do something about the gas prices aven if it is lowering the tax on gas.
I think this may be off topic, but, why should the troops come home just because "the people" want them to?? Don't get me wrong, I don't want to hear about another person getting hurt or killed in this war, but, that doesn't mean that bringing them home is the right thing to do.

Also, perhaps we should all begin with our local governments in regards to getting the gas taxes lowered. Do you even know how much of the price for a gallon of gas IS tax??? And where it goes??? I had no idea until I recently heard that .07 of every gallon here goes to our county for roads to be repaired. This has been going on for over 10 years, and these are some of the worst roads I've ever driven on!!! Some of them are still DIRT!!!
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I think the only thing that is going to be truly effective is if we stop driving so much, and such gas guzzlers. It's supply and demand, good old Free Enterprise. That's what makes this country so great Just like a clearance sale....the stuff not selling gets marked down.
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I think this may be off topic, but, why should the troops come home just because "the people" want them to?? Don't get me wrong, I don't want to hear about another person getting hurt or killed in this war, but, that doesn't mean that bringing them home is the right thing to do.
Well nowadays, apparently anyone off the street thinks they are as knowledgable , or more , than the actual commanders in the field.
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