Refundrus was asking about the missing Maddie McCann in Portugal.....and I honestly can say I am really disturbed by this case. If you want, scroll down and read refunds thread. Point is I am very upset with these parents....okay deep breathe.....and without going off How can you leave your child alone.!

So skip ahead and I was thinking about a time where I had just had my second DD.

I had just had a beautiful 10 lb. 5 oz baby girl!! Yeah I know, Three pushes and she was out, but be jealous later! Anyway My older DD was just two years old and I had decided that we (me, DD#1 and DD #2) were ready to venture out of the house by ourselves!! I had my DD's in their side-by-side stroller and the little one needed to eat (breast-fed) so I wheeled them both over into the Nursing mommie suite at Dillards and I let my 2 year old out to run around b/c it was taking me about twenty minutes to nurse both sides. No problem we finish up changed everyone and I decide that my big girl can walk by herself holding the stroller of course!! I let her walk out first as I push the stroller through the door and she's off like she's been planning this escape for weeks! I was screaming for her and ppl were just wakling around me like I was crazy instead of helping me find her! IDIOTS!! (i still cuss those ppl in my thoughts) I am running with my two week old in my arms and I don't know how I heard giggling over the blood rushing through my head. But, I heard her giggling in the middle of the clothing racks. She was fine, I went home and laid down almost the rest of the afternoon!

Okay long story thanks for reading it, but if she would have been snatched would ppl have been judging me for letting her out of the stroller? I think so!! And I didn't purposely leave her somewhere alone!!

So tell me your story!

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Kids can get snatched at any age.You can't keep your eye on them every second.Heck I was snatched at 17!

Dollydeal OMG....thats crazy!!

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ya know I used to go across the parking lot to my sisters apt in the evenings when ds 1 was sleeping to have a margarita. It was 2 apartments were parallel to each other. I was right there to see if he could get out. (although he was an infant so I knew that wasn't going to happen.)You can rag on me if you want.
Everyone knows you have to keep an eye on your kids but stuff happens. Super walmart in massillon Ohio a man tried to take a kid right out of the cart with his mom pushing it. What could she of done differently? handcuffed him to her? I don't know the specifics of the case in Portugal. I just heard about the celebrities on the news donating money to find her,so I really don't know the specifics.

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If I understand the case right (McCann) from what I have read and heard... The parents left her in a room while they went out to eat! Am I correct in thinking that.

I feel bad that the child is missing, but I blame the parent 100% for leaving a child alone to go out and eat! That is just as bad and a parent leaving a child in a car to go shopping only to come back and the child is gone or dead. ( I am not talking about just a few seconds, I mean gone for minutes)

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NO ONE should leave a small child alone and leave even if they are sleeping. What if there's a fire????? What if they have a health crisis? I feel bad about little Maddie too but what were the parents thinking?? I think they do that in Europe more often then they do here. Totally self centered to leave children alone and at risk so you can do something you want to do. Especially in this day and age.

They were like across the street from their hotel room and were going back to check on the kids ever 30 minutes... Which says they were away for a time, over an hour??? No, I would never leave my kids for any amount of time like that. I have never even left them in the car unless one of my teens is there with them. even then I leave the car locked. If it is hot out, I wouldn't even leave my teen there.

My cousin got abducted when she was 16, she was never found. Her Dad had sent her to the store to get batteries. They found her car later, with the door open and her purse on the seat.

Now back to escape artists. My youngest was among the best. We called her houdini. There was not a carseat that could contain her. One night she snuck out of the house. We were in a panic. She had put boots on (but no jacket). She wasn't even two yet. We found her a block away in her nightgown and diaper and boots. She was shivering so my niece said are you scared? She said "No! Cold!". We put alarms on the door but that didn't stop her, it just made her run faster. I was so scared she would get lost hurt or worse! Now she is 14 and I am lucky if I can even get her to move over.

so this little ones parents went out to eat leaving her alone? weren't they doctors? I have to be missing something. I 'm going to google it.

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they went out to dinner, so they left the children and they said that the restaurant was within two hundred yards of the house/apartment .....which is no excuse. They could not keep their eye on the house from that far away. I feel really bad for this whole situation. They were asked why they did not have a babysitter and they responded with....We have tried to have children for so long and could not imagine leaving them in the care of strangers!! (meaning hotel babysitting staff)

Most of you know that Dh and I just came back from our ALONE vacation and thats why we took it. Was for us to be alone. Every other vacation was the family vacation and we didn't do anything where we couldn't take the kids no matter how small they were.

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Boggles my mind. I am sorry, in this day and age you have to be so alert and aware of everything.

I live next door to where I grew up. We had the perfect childhood, no concerns. Still that kind of neighborhood but I would NEVER let my 10 year old out without knowing what is going on at all times. Drives her crazy. My parents live around the block and through my back yard but I still call and say She's coming over. They watch their way and I watch mine.

Its not us, its not the kids. It is the OTHER freaks in the world out there that scare me to death.

I don't care where those parents lived -- whether it was in another country or the U.S. and I don't care what the 'traditions' are in other countries -- to leave a child 5 years old and younger twins alone while the selfish parents dine in a restaurant outside of the home is totally wrong. I know these parents must be kicking themselves a million times over and over, but that still doesn't dismiss the fact that they should not have left those children alone. So they checked on them every 30 minutes. Wow, a lot can happen in 30 minutes (as this proved). I feel very sorry for the little girl.

I never left my children alone, especially after my sister scared any thought of it out of me years ago. My sister had a client who left her kids alone in the apt while she went to her friend's apt who lived across from her. She went over there to drink, believing it was ok because she was right across from her place. Her building caught fire and all FOUR of her children died. By the time they saw the smoke, you couldn't get in the front door. One of the other neighbors fell asleep with something on the stove.

Sad

Did they have a monitor with them or anything?

I understand their logic about the hotel staff. They figured they were safer alone and asleep than with a potential pervert. If they did have a monitor, the truth is that the restaurant was closer to the kids than I am when they're at one end of my house, upstairs, and I'm in the basement in the other, so I can see why that seemed like a reasonable thing. If they know their children, know their habits, know they fall hard asleep and never, ever wake up until 11:30 for a diaper change... and had a monitor that would've allowed them to hear if they woke up... I can see why they might've thought the kids were perfectly safe.

As a for instance... I recall times when I'd get my kids down for naps and mow the lawn.

Or times when I'd stand outside and talk to a neighbor.

Or times when I'd be out cleaning the garage.

I always poked my head in to check on them every little while, and would make sure they were still sound asleep.

It could very well be that the abductor happened to see that chance and take it... but he'd been casing the house for a few days, and planned to sneak in at night and do it, anyway.

As to a fire, I understand that thinking, too, but I also have to think that even in the home, unless you sleep in the same bed with your child, or tag team who is asleep between the spouses all night long, there are hours of each night when our entire house is vulnerable to fire, when everyone is sound asleep.

Obviously, the safest they could've been was with the parents in the home, and that should've been first choice. I'd never feel comfortable or like my kids were safe - especially those twins, who were old enough to be mobile but not old enough to have the sense to know what to do or even recognize an emergency. We'd have ordered in if there was another couple we wanted to eat with.

They used really, really, really poor judgment. Really poor judgment. Not being there, not knowing the layout of the place, I can't say whether it was reasonable to think that they were as safe with them 200 yards away and checking on them every 30 minutes as they were at night when the parents were 40 feet down the hall and sound asleep for a six hour stretch. But there was an alternative to leaving them that would have kept them safer, and it's terribly sad that they did not think that through.

I heard a commentator say her objection to blaming the parents is that there is 100% guilt to be assigned, and that 100% goes directly to the abductor. She said every time we blame the parents some, it puts a dent in that 100% and assigns some of it to the parents, and lessens the guilt of the abductor, who is truly the one completely responsible for his actions. Whomever he is.

No, I could never.

Lost my mind (because of the kids!) but never lost my kids.

oh how terribly sad. I knew I wasn't getting the entire story. I completly blame the parents for leaving those little ones alone. There are so many things that can happen and it looks as if the worse has probably already taken place. I mean doctors... They can afford the best of vacations , the best clothes, the best of everything.. Why the hell wouldn't they pay out for the best child care?

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This case is reminding me of the JonBenet Ramsey case from Colorado. Things just don't seem to add up to me.........the parents seem too perfect or their story is too rehersed.

I would have ordered room service and a bottle of wine or take out, rather than leave the kids.

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