on The View. Again.

Joy started off by giving her views on Bush, and Elizabeth was answering with her point of view; Rosie sat very quiet for a very long time.

then she started in on Elizabeth.

Oy!!

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I don't watch that show--probably because I can't stand Rosie.

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I think since Rosie is "short-timing" she's gotten even free-er (sp?) with her tongue. Did anyone catch it yesterday when she was looking into the camera, and said the Bush Family made their money by being terrorists??? I'm pretty sure that is what it was. It started out with Joye talking about rich people who worked for their money, vs. rich people who inherrited their money, then Rosie said the Bush's made theirs from oil, buying from the Saudi's, and then I swear she said something like being terrorists for the Saudi's or funding them, or something. There was a lot of host chat going on, and the camera honed in on Rosie, and she said this quietly into the camera.

I liked the different opinions and views Rosie brought to the show, but, I think she's just gotten out of hand lately.

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She was definitely out of hand today! She wouldn't let Elizabeth get an entire sentence out.

I didn't see the show where Rosie called Bush a terrorist, but they kept reering to hew comment.

I used to like Rosie, but she was out of control today.

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I didnt see it and I dont really get the chance to watch the show but Rosie lost what little respect I had left for her the other day when she was telling about the death of Rev. Falwell and said his name, age and then said "whatever".

I might start watching again once she is gone.


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I'm not a fan of either Rosie or Elisabeth, but today I acutally felt for Rosie. Elisabeth wouldn't answer her question and with a simple yes or no, and that was all Rosie was asking her to do.

Normally I can't stand to hear either of them talk, and I don't watch on a regular basis, but all Rosie wanted her to do was answer a question with a yes or no, and she wouldn't do it.

I didn't get her statement that she only had 3 weeks left and she wasn't going to argue with Elisabeth anymore. Looked like they were really mad at one another and then Alicia Silverstone (one of the reasons I was watching today) kind of snubbed Elisabeth, I thought.

I didn't catch the beginning of it today, what was the question Rosie asked??? I didn't see when Alicia first came out, either, so didn't catch the snubbing. Do you think she was doing it during the interview part, too???

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Did anyone catch the other day when Rosie said that if they win the Daytime Emmy for "best talk show hosts" it will be thanks to Barbara because Barbara hired her? That just seemed like a nasty and self centered thing to say. I didn't watch the show, but I saw clips of her saying this.

Apparently R said something that 'got twisted around' about R thinking our troops are terrorists. R asked E flat out 'as my friend, do YOU think that I think our troops are terrorists?" and E kept trying to answer without saying yes or no.

When Alicia walked out on stage, E was the first one she came to, and it sounded like E apologized to her and Alicia just kind of walked on past her. She just seemed to blow her off for Rosie.

I always feel that when I watch the view Rosie thinks her opinion is the only one that matters, and her opinions are the only ones that should be discussed. The last time I watched, she would not let Elisabeth even finish a sentence. I find Rosie to be rude, and often not as well informed as she would like everyone to think she is. Its kind of strange, because when she had her own show years ago, I really enjoyed watching her, now I feel like she acts like the class *bully*.

I am really the same. I used to love her show before, but now I just don't care for her. My dislike really started with the whole Tom Selleck thing.

That is one reason I was shocked to find myself on her side today-only about Elisabeth not coming out and giving her a yes or no answer.

While I did not see the show, I do not blame Elizabeth for not wanting to give a yes or a no to a question Rosie posed.

I also do not believe that Rosie would respond as Elizabeth wanted her to if Elizabeth had been the one demanding a yes or no response.

Sometimes answering yes or no is not sufficient. They're all media savvy and aware that anything they say will turn into a sound byte.

To answer in the way your opposition demands is to play into her hand and set yourself up to be on the losing end of a rant because it's obvious that the opposition is looking for you to state an absolute that they can turn and use against you.

If neither answer is an absolute, it's best not to commit to either.

Excellent point!!!!!!! I love Elisabeth. And Rosie is always mean to her, cutting her off, etc..... I might watch The View again when Rosie leaves..NOT before.

Check this out!

YouTube - Nuclear war on the View

God, I hate Rosie.

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Oh, ok, that was yesterday, tho, right??? I saw that show. Yesterday R said something about terrorists are people who go into a country and invade for no reason, or somehting, or maybe E said it?? I don't really remember, but, I thought E asked R if SHE thought our troops were terrorists??? And, R said "no, I love our troops". I'm going to see if I can pull up the clip and watch it again.....brb.

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Yes, that was what I was going to bring up. I believe this actually stemmed from Monday when Elizabeth defended Fox when they said Rosie said the troops are terrorists. I guess things sort of came to a head today.

The question was rather simple to answer. Elizabeth could have just said "No, I don't think you are but here is why I think some others would think so...." Her initial refusal was what I think caused Rosie - as a friend and collegue - to feel and I think react the way she did.

I like and enjoy most of Rosies point of views but I really wish she would just let it go. Elizabeth is a huge defender of Bush, the White House, and most of policies surrounding the White House. End of story. Rosie should just bite her tongue and agree to disagree. As it is, the thing she wanted to avoid doing (her soundbites ending up on various shows being criticized and picked apart) is exactly what will happen tonight.

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Thanks for posting the link to the clip, WOW what a show! But the producers are loving every minute of it!

I can't really judge because I don't know what has happened between them before, but what I do know is that Rosie is a good talker. She is quick with a comeback and can twist words so you don't even know what you said.

And pulling the "fat, lesbian vs. the cute Christian" girl thing IMO has nothing to do with it. People don't like her mouth and attitude, not how she looks and who she's sleeping with.

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thanks for the link. OMG, I wish I would have seen this one today....!!! If Rosie would have just SHUT UP and LET Elisabeth answer the &^% question, then she would have. I don't see it Elisabeth dodging the question. Rosie kept butting in, and just would NOT shut up!!!!

HA, liked the part about Elisabeth telling Rosie "it's easier to fight Donald Trump....." hahahahaha!!! GO ELISABETH!!!!

Regardless of how anyone feels about the war, Rosie, IMO, did not shut her mouth long enuf to let Elisabeth answer the question.

Furthermore, I'm sick of Rosie always bringing up that she's a lesbian. Woopty dang doo, good for you. Does anyone else keep bringing up that they are heterosexual??? What does being a lesbian have to do with anything?? I just don't get that part.

IMO, Rosie has low self confidence, and tries to make up for it with her outrageous actions and comments. I know people like this, and it is embaressing to be around them.

I'll be sure to watch tomorrow, btw

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Exactly, that is what I think, too.

On a side note, I think it's rude the way she makes fun of her MIL right in front of her. I liked her when she had her own show, but, now, forget it. I wouldn't be surprised to see her bite the dust before her official exit date. Although, I'm betting ratings are up, up, up.

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I just watched YouTube.

Dang they were were %$$%^ at each other!!

I hate when people yell and talk over each other. All I got out of that whole thing was that Rosie asked Elisabeth a question and then didnt really give her the chance to answer it. I think Elisabeth was hoping that Rosie was going to clarify what she said the other day about the troops being terrorists, but E kept saying she was giving Rosie the "chance" and Rosie was seriously taking offense to that.

Basically, they were talking AT each other and no one was hearing what the other person was saying.

I wonder if Star Jones is sitting at home laughing her butt off and being glad that she isnt on the show anymore. It it like a train wreck that you cant look away from.

Darlene

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Here's the one from Monday: YouTube - "The View" 05/21/07 Fox News, Terrorists & Jimmy Carter

Holly

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Also, here's a longer clip from today's show. YouTube - "The View" 5/23/07 Rosie and Elisabeth - MAJOR FEUD

Holly

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Well, I just watched it and I think that Rosie is full of it. I can't stand her on The View. It's like she went from sweet and funny to jaded and obnoxious.

Darn, I don't know why my TiVo didn't record today's show

I think Rosie is really going off the deep-end. I'm sick to death of Elisabeth trying to go up against 3 women EVERY day

ROSIE IS A JERK!! Thanks for sharing the video. I honestly believe Rosie is in need of psychological help.

I can't wait till the whole show is cancelled.

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I agree. She seems incredibly smug to me.

I watched it, and found it interesting that she seemed to go from being the aggressor to playing the martyr when the aggressor schtick was leaving her without a good comeback.

I used to pity EH, because she's obviously outnumbered, and she didn't seem to have the confidence necessary to hold her own. She really seemed out-gunned and lacking in the maturity necessary to state her point with conviction and smarts to back it up. Today she accused Rosie of just going by her feelings and not having hard facts to use in a debate. That's how I used to perceive EH, herself. She knew her POV, and obviously watched a little political TV, but hadn't made her beliefs her own. I do think that's changed and she is far more adept at going toe to toe with those who oppose her.

I think Rosie has a totally different way of relating to Elisabeth - she doesn't EVER treat Elisabeth like a "colleague" - rather she treats her like an annoying little sister. Very unprofessional.

Rosie playing the "loud mouthed lesbian" card was really desperate, IMHO, too. Why is it Elisabeth's fault that Rosie comes across that way in all of the tabliod/news shows after one of these discussions? Is Elisabeth supposed to stick up for her then, too???

I was proud of Elisabeth for suggesting that Rosie defend herself. I have never seen someone go up against Rosie and make very valid points in the face of some real cornering. Rosie is skilled at her game, and it's hard to even think on your feet that fast. But Elisabeth was strong, and wasn't going to buckle under the bully this time. I was for Elisabeth all the way on this-- ironic, since I am actually politically on Rosie's side!!!!!

You know what I can't stand about the "other three" Joy, Rosie and Barbara is that every time that Elisabeth says something they all dismiss her and say "you will change your mind when your older" Well, I am her age and I have the same point of view as E and I have always thought this way and can't see me changing when the wind blows a different way!!

Rosie does drive me nuts!!

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I think that the whole world is over rosie being a gay fatty but her. I think once she gets passed her weight and her sexuality her mouth will follow suit.

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yeah ,I am in the minority.I love Rosie.
she just asked Elisabeith a question,and I am still waiting for the answer.
but Joy was craking me up....
E and R have very different point of view,one is blind by her faith in the president and the other is blind by her hate in him.....
R is has better language skills(not a better language ,but she did stand-up and knows how to quickly talk back,) , so in her way she has an advantage and knows it.she waited a long time before entering teh debate this morning.she was thinking and thinking.on the other hand E just jumped in and got caught in a way I don't wish anyone to be caught in.
and now a very fair guess: E and R won;t be friends anymore......

and in all ,this debate of 2 women on a show won;t lower the gas prices...
next week it will be something else,britney and her new haircut,britney pregnant? an another kid for madonna......who the heck knows....

I just wanted to say that is an excellent point. I don't walk around saying that nobody gets me b/c I'm a SAHM! I don't blame everyone else for the things I can't get over in my life!! I wonder if she is so comfortable with who she is, then why the heck does she keep throwing it in everyones face! Its like shes uses that as an excuse to say Look at me Listen to me I am a victim. I don't see that choice of lifestyle as being a victim and if I was a lesbian I would be up in her face to stop making Lesbians worldwide look like that!! My grandma always says,"If you knew how much people actually took time out of their day to think about you, You wouldn't worry about what they thought". Excellent Point Refunds!!!

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No, unfortunately they are not. You should see the questions and comments on her blog. I've also read many remarks on other message boards, articles and blogs. They do call her names, say she's gross, a fatty and use homosexual slurs that I will not post here. I think her mentioning what she did in today's show was in the context that "I know what people will say, I'm the ------ and she's the ------" because she's dealt with it before. Frankly I feel her mentioning that gives those people more power over her and it's best that she not even mention it, but of course that's my outsider-looking-in-view.

Carrie, don't feel sad or frowny about being in the minority! Different strokes for different folks

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I didn't feel like Rosie was "asking" one simple yes or no question of Elisabeth - it seemed pretty much to me like she was flat out demanding a one word response, and unwilling to even listen to anything else. Rosie was not simply curious, or truly wanting a question asked - she was trying to bully Elisabeth into a corner.

I used to be a HUGE fan of Rosie - I was a member of her live audience once. I find her to be a much different person now - bitter, mean-spirited, and jealous. I don't know what changed for her, but I hope her personal situation improves - for her OWN sake.

OH POOR LITTLE ELISABETH! Rosie drives me crazy sometimes but she makes the show. except for Joys list about Bush. That was great.

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I had to laugh out loud when Rosie called Elisabeth a coward. I'd LOVE to see how long Rosie would last on Survivor!!! Can you just imagine!!!! lol That's when I fell in love with Elisabeth, when she was on Survivor. What a sweetie. Rosie is just a big bully and I think she enjoyed picking on her and now that she is talking back I don't think Rosie knows what to do. That's what usually happens with bullys.

Rosie is a loud-mouthed, obnoxious, bully. She doesn't want to debate, she wants to dominate. Elisabeth scored major points w/ me when she said that Rosie need to defend her comments. Rosie, as far as I'm concerned, is a crackpot who has gone off the deep end. She believes the US blew up the WTC (or least Tower 7), that it's ok for her bodyguards to carry guns, but not us regular little people, etc. She's a hypocrite and I hope when she leaves The View (which I do not watch), that she'll have the good grace (one can only wish) to fade away somewhere quietly.

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I love Rosie! She sure gave 'The View' a much needed shot in the arm. Elisabeth makes me shudder in the same way as nails on a chalkboard!

I feel that those who agree with Rosie's overall views will defend her actions as standing up for herself. Those agreeing with Elizabeth will defend her. I have always liked Rosie--Loved her on her own show and still like her. She is "so different" now, because she was not allowed to be out and open on her own show. When she was on her own show, talking about Broadway shows, her Mom and that influence on her life, and her adopted kids, she was loved and admired. However, in all reality, she was then what she is today.....she was gay nor was she twiggy then (I notice that there are many here who feel no compunction about using derogatory comments about her weight, which really has no bearing on her personality or personal views or convictions, but I feel that using the words in a derisive manner is just plain mean and has nothing to do with anything else); but on the Rosie show, she had different guidelines than the boundaries she has on this show. She also, I personally feel, is much more confident in herself as a person, so no longer feels the need to try and please as many people as she once did by keeping her feelings to herself. I did not see the whole show (never get a chance to see the View anymore), but the clips I saw on a number of different shows, actually appeared to me to show a personally HURT Rosie---I feel she thought that Elizabeth, as a personal friend, did not have to defend any political view Rosie might have; BUT Elizabeth knows that Rosie NEVER said she thought our Troops were terrorists---she has stated many, many, many times over that she supports our troops as individuals, but she does not support the war. Many many Americans feel that same way, by the way. What she had expected from Elizabeth as a friend to, when questioned directly about this statement, to just say that she knows Rosie, knows she supports the troops and never suggested a thing. I have absolutely nothing against Elizabeth, although I am polar ends of the scale in my view on most things, --AND I do not disagree with Elizabeth standing up for herself. However, I do not for an instant believe that Rosie was anything but hurt by what she truthfully sees as a betrayal by a friend.

So, I join the minority by far here and will wait for the arrows to find my avatar.....

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jeanief you are so right. She was very, very hurt by Elizabeth. She thought she was a friend, and found out that she isn't. If you read Rosie's blog the people that attack her always mention fat, ugly, gay etc... almost every time. So yes she was right about what people would say about her. You need to watch the show to see what Rosie is really saying and not just the little pieces they play on some shows. I love Rosie and will miss her a lot. Also she does support the troops and does not think they are terrorists.

Another member of the minority here. Rosie has said some silly things, but she never said our troops were terrorists. If Elisabeth can't defend her views, perhaps she shouldn't say some of the things she does. I think she gets a pass on some things because she's a pretty little young blonde . . .

As for Elisabeth defending her views...I see her trying very hard to defend her views, but thats rather difficult to do when you are interupted over and over again. Rosie does not want to hear Elisabeths views....Rosie want to be right. In a true debate, Rosie would have to actually let Elisabeth finish a sentence. That is my biggest problem with this whole issue. I think they are both smart ladies, but Rosie does come off as being a bully, partly because she isn't very good at *listening* to anything that anyone else has to say. I, personally stand somewhere in the middle on the entire war issue. So, I am willing to listen to both sides...that is if I actually got to hear BOTH sides!
I don't feel Elisabeth gets a *pass* because she is a pretty little young blonde. In my opinion, looks has nothing to do with it, I think it has more to do with how you conduct yourself, and the respect you show others.

I will admit, I am a Rosie supporter. I feel the problem is complicated. First of all, this brouhaha could have been squashed if E had said one word, "No". She could then go on and give substantiating info but instead she quibbled. It was the "Wellll, Rosie you said x and Fox said y and I think well you said...blah blah blah...". It was the lack of a quick, assertive, "no!" that hurt R feelings. There are times in life when you only get one choice - yes or no. Think of Judge Judy. When she asks a question and the person tries to talk about everything else except the question, she will push and push until that person responds "yes" or "no". It is not always comfortable to have to choose.

Now will these two ever be on the same page? NO! E is staunchly Republican and R is staunchly anti-Republican. I doubt that I will watch the program after R is gone.

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Also in the minority...

I never watch the show so watching the clips was very interesting and disheartening. I don't like seeing that happening between two 'friends'.

Many in this thread are saying that Rosie was interrupting Elisabeth, I saw just as much interrupting by E and she never did answer the question... her voice sounded like a bird squawking to me. She speaks very fast when she gets worked up and I can't hear that fast!!! but I do know that she did not answer the question

Mataje makes an excellent point above:

"E and R have very different point of view,one is blind by her faith in the president and the other is blind by her hate in him..."

I do agree that E did not answer the question. But, I do feel that some questions cannot be answered with a yes or no. It almost seemed to me that E knew whatever answer she gave she would NOT get the chance to explain her reasons for the answer. Life isn't always black and white. This wasn't a legal procedure, it was a discussion between two woman with very different views on a difficult subject.
These two ladies have disagreed about many issues for months. They both have very strong personalities, and its too bad that they couldn't get past their differences. I honestly don't think they would ever be *friends* in the real world.

I just relistened to the clip from May 23rd. Rosie asked Elisabeth if she thought Rosie was a terrorist, and Elisabeth said "I don't believe that you believe our troops are terrorists." Isn't that technically a NO answer??? I think E answered R's question. It is a little difficult to hear with everyone butting in on each other, and then Joye adding her comedy to it.

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I am soooooo glad I do not watch The View, I hear enough about it everywhere else. Rosie needs to get a grip and quit complaining about everything under the sun. The world doesn't see everything Rosie's way or Donald's way or Elizabeths!!

To each thier own.

Hmmmm...Maybe Elisabeth didn't answer the question because she knew that her Yes/No answer would hurt Rosie even more than the diplomatic asnwer that she was TRYING to get out (Rosie wouldn't allow it).

To the person who suggested that even Judge Judy wants yes/no answers - that's precisely the point - Elisabeth wasn't being asked a question from a "friend" - she was being badgered into a Yes/No response from a person sitting in the judge's chair.

Very different.

And like many of us on these boards who are not in Rosie's corner right now, I'm actually on the same side as Rosie politically! But she's become a very alienating person. Elisabeth has the good grace and class to let it go now, and not to continue dissing Rosie. Rosie could learn a little composure and class from E. Her blog is full of her continuing little high-school bully tactics. Very sad.