The View - May 23 - follow up to closed thread....

[Kelliiii]

I was in the process typing away, and the tread closed...so...here it is....

I obviously watched something VERY different from the rest...

I don't watch this show, and I don't really care for either Rosie or Elisabeth. I don't liken either of them as good sources for facts, just sources of entertainment because they are giving American's exactly what they are looking for in daytime TV -- Drama. Gee the producers put the big, bully loudmouth comedian (who had a highly rated talk show before she released information about her sexual preference) up against the poor, little starving girl from Survivor (who other than that, a no-brainier show on the Style network, and marring a NFL star has no real claim to fame), knowing that they have glaring differences in opinion and lifestyle. That's no "Meet The Press" folks....it's more like General Hospital...or better yet, like old school Rikki Lake.

But, I digress. Back to the clip of the show...

What I saw is as the show opened, it was that Joy that brought up the discussion of of Al Gore on CNN and criticized the Bush Admin. While she was reading off the list that Gore presented, Elizabeth was the one that found the need to talk over Joy. Rosie didn't say a word for the first few minutes of the show. The camera shots showed her just sitting there, letting Joy and Elizabeth go at it. Joy even at one point said "let me talk" or something of that nature so she could finish her point. Engaged minutes AFTER this discussion started when Elizabeth said something about "Iraqi Enemies." Obviously a hot button for Rosie, because of the recent "troops as terrorists" media explosion. It completely went out of control from there....

Twice the other 2 hosts said something about going to commercial - and the producers didn't. Why, because it's good television. GOOD Television, not INFORMATIVE Television.

One thing Elizabeth admitted to that is true of most American's....it was more important to watch who won Dancing with the Stars than it is to watch a former Vice President (regardless if you voted for him or not) discuss the impact of Global Warming - and don't use the TiVo excuse....because by merit, the Cha Cha competition could have waited.

As of Saturday, May 19th - 3,412 American Soldiers have died in Iraq. 69 just in this month so far. Not to mention the 2 that are still missing. 2,726 death certificates were issued by the state of New York for the people who were innocently going about their morning at the World Trade Center. Just to give you some perspective in comparison - 58,226 US Soldiers died in Vietnam, 153,303 came home wounded before we pulled out. So, I beg the question...when do we say when? Wait, I forgot....the Lost season finally is this week, and isn't there a new American Idol? Gee, and I wonder what Brad and Ang are up to this week? I bet Jennifer is sooooo jealous! FREE PARIS!

I really don't care about these two women or this show that will most likely go off the air in a year or two. Roise might get her own show, some may watch, some might not. That Elizabeth will most likely fade off into the land of infamous or just be another NFL wife...unless Fox offers her a job....maybe she can go on a Survivor All-Star show.

But, I'm happy about one thing. They are talking about it. We ALL should be talking about it. We should be asking the questions "what's it going to take" and "when do we say when?" Or is it going to take a number like 58,000 dead? Soldiers...men and women...just doing their job....just being Americans...some with families. 58,000.

Now back to your regularly scheduled program....

[mrk11118]

I guess my point about this War would be that these very brave men and women knew what they were getting into and they knew what their job was going to entail before they signed up. I mean they did join the Army, Navy, Military whatever. The job title itself is very self-describing.

My DHs a police officer does that make it okay that he has to fight ppl every night NO. I don't like it one bit when he comes home and tells me about it b/c OF COURSe I don't want him to get hurt. But its his job, no one forced him to get it, no one put a gun to his head and he is educated so its not like it was a last resort for him. These ppl put their lifes on the line everyday, is it fair NO! But, someone has to do it. I say be thankful that there are ppl out here willing to do it. B/c what would this world be like if there wasn't?

My SIL is from Iraq and she thanks G-D everyday that these men and women are over there. Her family knows first hand about what goes on and I don't even think you can imagine the horrors.

[donnaquilt]

I wrote a long post too, but then the thread closed on me. Here is my post. I'm glad I saved it!

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I can't stand Bitsy. She has no real talent to speak of. Big deal so she was on Survivor. She's pretty. There just isn't much there. She's not particuarly funny, she doesn't seem all that well informed but she likes to talk as though she is. I often hate the way she dresses but I think that is another way for her to get attention. For example one day this week, her chest was really hanging out there -- and it just didn't seem appropriate for a pregnant, church- going conservative. I'm sure she is a nice person but she's up against strong women and I'm sure it is hard to hold your own.

I think she sees an opportunity to get her name in the media by jumping on Rosie. She knew the fighting would make the news and it did. You do realize Bitsy's contract probably needs to be renewed also.

Where else is she going to get a job after this run???? I could maybe see her with Regis?

While I don't always agree with Rosie, she seems to try to be a informed and educated speaker. She has matured and I believe she is trying to change the world in her own way. She is a very passionate person. What are the rest of us doing about the things that we know are wrong in the world or in our schools, or in our local neighborhood????

Is Rosie perfect? Absolutely not. She does tend to have a very strong and vocal personality. Does she care about The View? I think she tried it, but for her, it died a few months ago. She's just getting thru it now.

Anyway, they are both nice people with different agendas.

I think The View is dragging to a slow death, and ABC ( and Rosie) realizes that. Rosie definately perked up the ratings this year -- and Elizabeth is trying now to step in and give her own dead career and the show a push. Basically the show doesn't work anymore and has run its course.

Also, I am so tired of ABC's The View giving 5 minute segmented promos for the other stupid ABC shows. Who cares about Lost, Desperate Housewives or Ugly Betty? The View is often just an advertisement for those other ABC shows. We don't need to see bla bla from the Bla Bla show and hear that tonight is their big season finale. So be sure and watch tonight!!! If I cared about it, I would watch the darn night show to begin with.

That's my story and I'm stickin with it!

[jaded]

bravo Donna!

[TraciLM]

Originally Posted by donnaquilt

I wrote a long post too, but then the thread closed on me. Here is my post. I'm glad I saved it!

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While I don't always agree with Rosie, she seems to try to be a informed and educated speaker. She has matured and I believe she is trying to change the world in her own way.

Informed and educated? She believes the WTC Tower 7 was brought down intentionally. She claims to know scientifically that it was impossible for it to come down w/o explosives. Per Wikipedia, her comments were:

"It is impossible for a building to fall the way it fell without explosives being involved," When asked by a co-presenter who she thought was responsible, she commented that she had no idea, but argued in a blog entry that the building was blown up to destroy evidence of the corporate financial scandals at Enron and WorldCom. O'Donnell said:

“ I do believe that it's the first time in history that fire has ever melted steel. I do believe that it defies physics that World Trade Center tower 7 — building 7, which collapsed in on itself — it is impossible for a building to fall the way it fell without explosives being involved. World Trade Center 7. World Trade Center 1 and 2 got hit by planes — 7, miraculously, the first time in history, steel was melted by fire. It is physically impossible. To say that we don’t know that it imploded, that it was an implosion and a demolition, is beyond ignorant. Look at the films, get a physics expert here [on the show] from Yale, from Harvard, pick the school — [the collapse] defies reason. ”

On March 30, 2007, Popular Mechanics magazine posted a point-by-point response to O'Donnell's claims on its website, which included a scientific correction to O'Donnell's statement about steel and fire: Tower 7 housed the city's emergency command center, so there were a number of fuel tanks located throughout the building—including two 6000-gallon tanks in the basement that fed some generators in the building by pressurized lines. The working hypothesis is that this pressurized line was supplying fuel to the fire for a long period of time. Steel melts at about 2,750 degrees Fahrenheit—but it loses strength at temperatures as low as 400 F. When temperatures break 1000 degrees Fahrenheit, steel loses nearly 50 percent of its strength. It is unknown what temperatures were reached inside WTC7, but fires in the building raged for seven hours before the collapse.[43] O'Donnell responded to the Popular Mechanics article on her blog, stating, "I still believe explosives were used to bring down wtc7".[44]


Clearly, Rosie has an agenda and doesn't want to let science get in the way of said agenda. Do those of you who support Rosie, believe her opinion on this subject? Finally, in the closed thread, I read several comments saying Rosie "supports the troops." I don't watch The View nor do I particularly pay attention to her. Since you all claimed she does, can you elaborate. How exactly does she "support" the troops? I'm not saying she doesn't, but I've never heard of any actual support she's provided.

[mrk11118]

Donna you asked about what we are doing in our part of the world. I do my part however I do it with the saying "You get more flies with honey" Rosie could be making a point but, I can't hear it b/c of her attitude. If she handle herself with some class MAYBE I would be able to hear it. KWIM?

Carrie, I would love for your to open your mouth b/c I love what you have to say B/c you say it with passion AND class. Rosie should take a page from you book.

[devinmom]

Originally Posted by mrk11118

Donna you asked about what we are doing in our part of the world. I do my part however I do it with the saying "You get more flies with honey" Rosie could be making a point but, I can't hear it b/c of her attitude. If she handle herself with some class MAYBE I would be able to hear it. KWIM?

My thoughts exACTly.

Throughout her celebrity career, Rosie has been on the good side of many situations. She's made an impact. But she's falling grossly short of being heard this time because of her hysteria. I choose to make my mark in a more respectful way. Celebrities have a bigger audience, and it's great when they don't take that for granted.

If Rosie was truly "hurt" that E didn't defend her, then she should have gone to her "as a friend" (and by that I don't mean on the air LIVE on a show during an already heated topic) and sought resolution. This was not a friend confronting a friend - it was a big bully (R) coming after its prey (E) when it thought it's prey would be unable to fight back.

Talk about a poor friend - what's worse, not sticking up for your friend, as E is accused of, or going after your friend on live TV???

[3togetready]

Rosie said to Elizabeth something like when I hurt your feelings I came to you after the show and appoligized, why didn't you do the same for me? She was talking about something that had happened before this.

[haynes94]

YouTube - "The View" 5/23/07 Rosie and Elisabeth - Cold War Comments

This is the clip where Alicia snubs Elizabeth-- right after the fight.

Holly

[Cuthie]

I will proudly stand up and say that I do not support the war in Iraq.

[TraciLM]

Originally Posted by Cuthie

I will proudly stand up and say that I do not support the war in Iraq.

How does that pertain to the topic, though?

[KellyJef]

Originally Posted by donnaquilt

While I don't always agree with Rosie, she seems to try to be a informed and educated speaker.

Sorry, but "try" is the operative word in that sentence

She needs to "try" MUCH harder: right now all she is doing is making a fool of herself.

[donnaquilt]

I do think Rosie has a lot of good points about the war and the Bush administration. I do try to listen to Elizabeth, but Pres. Bush isn't giving her a lot to work with.

I've only read a little bit about the Trade Center building, so I can't really comment on that. I have read enough to know that she is not the only one who has has that theory. It does seem different, but time may tell on that.

Rosie seems tired and angry and that I think is part of why her message doesn't always seem to come across right. You can tell that there have been ongoing problems backstage, and she just wants to be done with the show.

I went to Youtube and watched the 9 minute segment with the split screen. Weird thing is, Joy really got the fight started. At first Rosie just sat back. Joy went off on Bush and talked about Al Gore.
It's weird to sit back and watch it now.

I also feel it was wrong of Alicia Silverstone to snub Elizabeth like that.

[njfl]

Originally Posted by Cuthie

I will proudly stand up and say that I do not support the war in Iraq.

Topic or no topic I agree I do not support the war in Irag. I support the troops and want to see them home. Maybe someone should start a opinion on that.

[sanctuary68]

I went to her blog for the first time today and Rosie doesn't want to go back to finish her run...
I don't agree with all her views, but they are HER views and since she has been on, my whole family now talks about the HOT topics daily~ It's great that we are talking more about what wrong with our society than how if PARIS was wronged!

[annadrose]

Originally Posted by TraciLM

Clearly, Rosie has an agenda

Yes Rosie has an agenda. Her agenda is for everyone in the US to have access to health care, her agenda is that the first responders of 9/11 get the medical help they need. Her agenda is that us, you, me, he, she, all have jobs that pay us a decent wage so we can all buy homes and live the American dream. Her agenda is that every child in the country feel safe, loved, and be fed and have what they need. Her agenda is for OUR GOVERNMENT, whom we are the BOSSES of, whose inflated obscene wages we pay, do what is right for us. Her agenda is that the billions of our tax dollars, instead of going to build schools and fight crime in Iraq, build schools and fight crime right here.
Her agenda is for the government to care about the Earth. Her agenda is that the government STOP LYING to us and treating us as if we are stupid children who don't know what's good for us.

Who cares what she believes about 9/11? She is not the only one. I don't know what to think but I know at the VERY LEAST our government our CURRENT administration KNEW this was coming and LET IT HAPPEN just to unite the country after the presidency was stolen from the man who a majority of American votes elected. 9/11 changed the things we talk about it changed the very way we live our lives. Are you really naive enough to believe that our security and intelligence did not know about this? Even if they did not they chose not to do anything to stop the second plane from hitting the towers.

Before you go around saying "Rosie's agenda" please for the love of all that is good listen to the core of her message do not focus on her poliitical beliefs. She really wants the country to be a better place for children, families, veterans, all of us.

You may not like her political beliefs or the way she expresses herself but if you really knew anything about her you would undetstand how many people she has helped or how she has brought attention to topics that were long ignored.

[TraciLM]

Originally Posted by annadrose

I don't know what to think but I know at the VERY LEAST our government our CURRENT administration KNEW this was coming and LET IT HAPPEN just to unite the country after the presidency was stolen from the man who a majority of American votes elected. 9/11 changed the things we talk about it changed the very way we live our lives. Are you really naive enough to believe that our security and intelligence did not know about this? Even if they did not they chose not to do anything to stop the second plane from hitting the towers.

Oh, you KNOW this, do you? Our governmnet, on that day on September 11, 2001, just knew those planes were flying into those buildings and just let it happen. Okay... Instead of questioning if I am naive, perhaps you should question your own reasoning. I can understand not supporting President Bush and being disappointed that he won the election (not once, but actually twice), however, when one resorts to such conspiracy theories, it undermines their position. Did Clinton know when the WTC was going to be attacked the first time? Did Clinton know when the embassies were going to be bombed in Africa? Did Clinton know when the Cole was going to be bombed? Did Clinton know when the Khobar Towers were going to be bombed? Why, then, would you purport to KNOW the current admin "KNEW" this attack was was going to happen on that day in September 2001? I swear this reasoning will lead to someone seeing Bush's outline on the grassy knoll...

BTW, when Rosie enlightens everyone on how much money government workers, corporate heads, etc., make, does she also gripe about how much she makes? How much her Hollywood buddies make? I doubt it. Rosie is nobody special. She's just a talking head who spews her positions and doesn't want to listen to anyone who has a differing opinion. No more, no less.

[kathytheshopper]

I don't know why I even read these posts sometimes.....they make my blood start boiling with conspiracy theories, etc... When my 15 yr old hears what people say on TV about the plotting of 911 by our government he laughs out loud....out of the mouths of babes.....He then explains to me why it's all impossible. .And yes, he's MUCH, MUCH smarter than I am!!! lol
From what I've heard, read, etc.. if there's ANY blame for this it was on Clintons watch. And I don't hate Clinton either. My oldest even shook his hand once when he was in grade school. I just don't understand how all the Bush haters say Bush is as dumb as a rock but managed within 9 MONTHS of his presidency to go along with, help plan, let happen, etc.... something as dramatic as 911. ANd if so, he hasn't let anything slip in the last 7 years??? You can't be dumb and do all that. It's impossible. I'd love something to explain how all this could happen in just 9 months????? Wasn't there only 15 minutes between the first and second planes hitting? I think the aviation dept did a good job grounding all the planes as fast as possible. A plane flying over a heavily populated are like New York can't be just shot down. And they had 15 minutes to do something. Give those poor people a break. I'm impressed that more planes didn't pull it off because I think there were more that were supposed to. I could be wrong about that but I thought there were more planned.
As far as Rosie I still think she's just an unhappy bully. I watched her when she had her own show and liked it but she's so mean now.....She needs her meds changed I think. (She herself said she was on anti-depressants for awhile, not sure if she still is.) And Elisabeth is just a nice, decent human being. That's enough for me to have her on there!!!

[kathytheshopper]

PS
DOes Rosie know who shot JKF? Or if Elvis is still alive? Was Kurt CObain murdered? Is Tupac still alive? I wish she'd answer these questions too since she seems to think she has ALL the answers......lol

[annadrose]

Originally Posted by TraciLM

BTW, when Rosie enlightens everyone on how much money government workers, corporate heads, etc., make, does she also gripe about how much she makes? How much her Hollywood buddies make? I doubt it. Rosie is nobody special. She's just a talking head who spews her positions and doesn't want to listen to anyone who has a differing opinion. No more, no less.

I don't want to get into an argument but there is big difference between a TV personality earning whatever the networks, movie studios, etc choose to pay them and the executives, CEOs etc who are making their money off the backs of us working people. When I was growing up in 70s the person at the top of the companay made maybe 100 times at the most what the person at the bottom made. These days they easily make at least 1000 times as much. While companies are firing people to "cut costs" and "maximize profits" the top execs are not getting any pay cuts.

And if by "government workers" you mean politicians well we are their bosses the money they make comes from our hard earned tax dollars and they continue to cut funds for social programs, law enforcement, etc but I don't see any of them getting any pay cuts do you?

Rosie and "her Hollywood buddies" don't skim money from their employee's pockets they don't steal tax dollars to spend however they see fit.

It's one thing to not like the woman but for goodness sake don't make things up to try to make your views make sense when they don't. How can you even compare an actor's salary to a politician's or an excutives? The actors don't owe us a thing the others do owe us some sort of fiscal responsibility don't they? Or do you just think the people in my community should suffer? We are losing $40 million in timber funds because our lovely President took it to send to Iraq. That means in my community of Lane County Oregon the District Attorney (who last year announced that crimes under $2500 would NOT be prosecuted due to a lack of funidng) has announced the jail would go from over 1000 inmates to under 500. Just one example of how our government screws the heck out of us with their financial decisions.

I don't like Elisabeth or her political views but I can honestly say that even though she is misguided and in denial she has the same intentions as Rosie or I do she wants her family and loved ones to be safe, financially secure and happy. Rosie wants that, I want that, my Mother wants that, the woman on driving the bus, the man who checks my water meter, we all want the same thing.

I think so many of the people who are so against Rosie are upset at hearing the truth and are afraid to admit that maybe she could be right about this or that because that would be like saying "well I have believed this and based on my life on it for so long that if I admit she could be possibly right then maybe my life is a lie because I based it on lies" Of course this is subsconscious. I have come across this type of denial in many situations and it is a mental block.

[wowitsdark]

I believe the opposite.

There are those who so hate Bush that if he acheived world peace and a chicken in every pot, they'd still find fault with him.

I don't have my head in the sand, nor do I have a mental block. I believe Iraq was a wildcard that was run by a dictator who was a sworn enemy of our nation. I believe he did have WMD, and while we were dinking around trying to please the UN, they got them out of the country and into neighboring like-minded counties under cover of darkness. I believe this situation was bigger than just Iraq. It was a statement to the UN that it's not going to fly to make edicts as part of cease fire agreements and then not bother to uphold them. All credibility is lost when that happens, and dictators run amuck worldwide when it's obvious that the organization that is supposed to oversee compliance could care less.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend. I believe that while Sadaam was not part of the Al Qiada network, he certainly was sympathetic to their cause of hatred against the US. It was just a matter of time before he'd have been supporting them by providing guns andother weaponry he'd illegally ended up with in his oil for food exchanges with France and Russia. I believe this pre-emptive strike had positive effects we cannot see because going into Iraq prevented them. And the negative things that are happening in Iraq *are* visible, so it seems they are the only piece in the puzzle. I believe they are but a sliver of the potential events and happenings that could have played out by our invading Iraq -or NOT invading Iraq ... and just as nobody seems to acknowledge that it's been almost six yaers and we've had no new attacks on our own soil and give Bush any credit for it, I can't imagine that that same crowd would give him any credit for the assembling of the terrorist minds taking place behind the curtain that shielded Iraq that *didn't* happen because we took out that sympathetic dictator.

There are many of us who feel this way. It has nothing to do with not having what it takes to face that Rosie is right. It's about thinking Rosie is a smug, self-righteous, self-absorbed individual whose sole political rationale is based in her need to further her sexuality-based agenda, and touting every position that the side that approves of her sexual orientation holds.

I think if Clinton had still been in office and he had done what Bush did, she would be supportive of it, because Clinton is supportive of her sexuality. All politics are local, and for Rosie, that's as local as it gets. It's her key point on the platform, and everything else is done to support it.

[haynes94]

Originally Posted by kathytheshopper

PS
DOes Rosie know who shot JKF? Or if Elvis is still alive? Was Kurt CObain murdered? Is Tupac still alive? I wish she'd answer these questions too since she seems to think she has ALL the answers......lol

Thanks Kathy. I snorted a little bit of my drink when I read that. LOL

Holly

[carlierae26]

I agree with wowitsdark.

Rosie loves to fight. She's fighting for her life on camera, and the more she fights, the longer she stays on the air. Pathetic really. She's coming out as a loon on camera. To say that wtc 7 was an inside job because steel doesn't melt with fire.. and yet, just recently the steel was melted when that highway collapsed. Was that an inside job done by the bush weather machine? I think she's a mean, horrible person. She is not a nice person. This was proven to me when she made fun of chineese tourists once on camera. And when Rosie went after Rippa when clay put his hand on her mouth, really landed home my opinion on her, because she took that to mean that she was homophobic because she didn't want someone who might not have washed their hands touching her mouth. How can anyone think she's an educated person?

[Cuthie]

Originally Posted by annadrose

Before you go around saying "Rosie's agenda" please for the love of all that is good listen to the core of her message do not focus on her poliitical beliefs. She really wants the country to be a better place for children, families, veterans, all of us.

Bravo!!! and exactly why I put my somewhat off-topic opinion in the thread above. She has a simple message.

I see good coming of this little *tiff* that these girls got into. I see it right here in this thread. It's getting people to talk and think.

I really would not read too deeply into what either of them are saying.



I support our troops.

[mrk11118]

Carrie you do have to admit though Rosie wasn't doing all this when she was Elizabeths age....she was a struggling comedian. Give Elizabeth some time and I bet she will be doing the same thing one day.

[rockermom]

Originally Posted by annadrose

Yes Rosie has an agenda. Her agenda is for everyone in the US to have access to health care, her agenda is that the first responders of 9/11 get the medical help they need. Her agenda is that us, you, me, he, she, all have jobs that pay us a decent wage so we can all buy homes and live the American dream. Her agenda is that every child in the country feel safe, loved, and be fed and have what they need. Her agenda is for OUR GOVERNMENT, whom we are the BOSSES of, whose inflated obscene wages we pay, do what is right for us. Her agenda is that the billions of our tax dollars, instead of going to build schools and fight crime in Iraq, build schools and fight crime right here.
Her agenda is for the government to care about the Earth. Her agenda is that the government STOP LYING to us and treating us as if we are stupid children who don't know what's good for us.

Who cares what she believes about 9/11? She is not the only one. I don't know what to think but I know at the VERY LEAST our government our CURRENT administration KNEW this was coming and LET IT HAPPEN just to unite the country after the presidency was stolen from the man who a majority of American votes elected. 9/11 changed the things we talk about it changed the very way we live our lives. Are you really naive enough to believe that our security and intelligence did not know about this? Even if they did not they chose not to do anything to stop the second plane from hitting the towers.

Before you go around saying "Rosie's agenda" please for the love of all that is good listen to the core of her message do not focus on her poliitical beliefs. She really wants the country to be a better place for children, families, veterans, all of us.

You may not like her political beliefs or the way she expresses herself but if you really knew anything about her you would undetstand how many people she has helped or how she has brought attention to topics that were long ignored.

AMEN! AMEN ! AMEN! I can't for the life of me understand how some people can still stand behind Bush and believe his lies.Maybe they are still waiting on those gynocolygist to show them some love. LOL

[mrk11118]

I don't think you are sounding angry. I actually have no opinion on either one of these two people. They both make their arguements looked bad for those of us that would normally agree with them. I do think its a good thing that their fight is getting a debate going. My opinion is that if half of these so called politicians would actually debate as these two women are doing then this country would be in much better shape than its in now. And isn't it sad to say that "a talk show" got us talking and not the leaders of the free world!!!!

[Cuthie]

Let it be known that I do not watch this show but did watch the clip.

It seems that 'Host Chat' (is that what it is called) is TOO LONG and allows -- almost BEGS -- for this kind of thing to happen.

It felt like it was scripted in the beginning when Joy was reading the list and *discussing* it with Elisabeth. When Rosie started talking, it turned into... 'is it time for a commercial yet, no!'

Host Chat is too long.

[Kelliiii]

Originally Posted by mrk11118

And isn't it sad to say that "a talk show" got us talking and not the leaders of the free world!!!!

Wow.... Finally! I was starting to regret even opening up this topic again.

And for those who keep talking about "she has her own agenda"....well, OF COURSE she has her own agenda....WE ALL have our own agenda. Just because agree/disagree with someone on one point doesn't mean that you are on the same page about all topics. I'm sure my agenda is very different that most of your's and vice versa.

[beckyandplacido]

Okay, here's my 2 cents. I think 99% of american's want the same basic thing. Everyone wants to be healthy, living the american dream. However, that the main thing about politics, is how to get that for everyone. I DO NOT believe in Govt. controlled health care. Look at what that has done in other contries, such as canada. Yes Everyone over there has health care, but what good does it do you if you are put on a waiting list for necessary surgery, or you can't get in to see the dr. when you are sick... The idea is good, However it is difficult to put it into practice.
Now someone said to listen to Rosie's core message, not her political beliefs... Why not do the same for George W? His core message is that he want's American's to feel safe and secure. Really, who wants to disagree with that core belief? Now, how he is going about to try and make that happen for us is where the disagreements start, and it is politics, you can't separate the two. So as nice as Rosie's core beliefs are, you can's separate her from her political side.
There's my 2 cents!

[allinaugust]

Originally Posted by haynes94

YouTube - "The View" 5/23/07 Rosie and Elisabeth - Cold War Comments

This is the clip where Alicia snubs Elizabeth-- right after the fight.

Holly

Thanks for sharing. That sure looked like a snub to me. But, if I were E, I wouldn't worry too much about it. IMO, Alicia is a washed up has been. I saw something on TV that's she's so "washed up" they don't even let her into some of the "hot" clubs in Hollywood.

That move was very tacky on her part, too.

[allinaugust]

Originally Posted by Carrie

it amazes me that all who do not like Rosie can only see the bad.
Intrepid Museum | Intrepid Fallen Heroes Fund :
Huh I don't see Elizabeths name here.
Rosie O'Donnell Rosie Christmas CD
Huh another good deed by rosie
On December 15, 2006 Elizabeth Birch, Executive Director for the Rosie's For All Kids Foundation confirmed that $50 million dollars from her five year contract with the Rosie O'Donnell Show were donated in an irrevocable trust to charity.[citation needed]

"Her Rosie's for All Kids Foundation has awarded more than $22 million in grants to over 1,400 child-related organizations, and that's just one of her many impressive activities on behalf of children.


In 2003 Rosie and Kelli O'Donnell collaborated with Artistic Director Lori Klinger to create this organization, dedicated to providing high quality instruction in music and dance at no cost to New York City public schools or students. Eighty-five percent of students who participate in Rosie’s Broadway Kids are from low-income families.[citation needed] Rosie’s Broadway Kids serves more than 4,500 teachers, students, and their family members at 21 schools.[citation needed] Currently programs are in Harlem, Midtown West, Chelsea, Lower East Side, East Village, and Chinatown


So yes ladies I guess you are right she is one terrible person. The funny thing is I did the exact same search for Elizabeth and guess what the only thing that came up was her law and order lawsuit. But Rosie is bad. I have to disagree with a lot of you. Do I agree with everything Rosie says no. Do I disagree with everything Elizabeth says no. I am not a hater and I can't believe that people can hate Rosie so much.

Have you seen the commercials about Hugo Chavez giving heating oil to our country's poor, and them thanking him so much??? He's doing a great thing, huh???


I'm sure Elisabeth does a lot of "good" things, too, maybe she just isn't as visible with them??

I wouldn't base wether a person is good or not, on the amount of charity work they do.

[momtolfi]

I never really watched the View. I agree with the others, as soon as Rosie came out, she is now mean and hateful and I strongly dislike her.

[TraciLM]

It's one thing to not like the woman but for goodness sake don't make things up to try to make your views make sense when they don't.

I hope I'm not the only one to see the irony in that comment based on what you "know" of 9/11. I'm wondering who here made up something about Rosie?

Or do you just think the people in my community should suffer? We are losing $40 million in timber funds because our lovely President took it to send to Iraq. That means in my community of Lane County Oregon the District Attorney (who last year announced that crimes under $2500 would NOT be prosecuted due to a lack of funidng) has announced the jail would go from over 1000 inmates to under 500. Just one example of how our government screws the heck out of us with their financial decisions.

Do you know how many billions Alaska is losing by not opening ANWR? A heck of lot more than $40 million. Last I checked, our president does not just write checks as he sees fit. We have a governmental process of checks and balances. Don't lay everythingt at Bush's doorstep, obvious hatred undermines your position. Perhaps if the US would do something about illegal immigration (Is Oregon a "sanctuary" state?), there would be billions upon billions of dollars back in the governmental coffers.

I think so many of the people who are so against Rosie are upset at hearing the truth and are afraid to admit that maybe she could be right about this or that because that would be like saying "well I have believed this and based on my life on it for so long that if I admit she could be possibly right then maybe my life is a lie because I based it on lies" Of course this is subsconscious. I have come across this type of denial in many situations and it is a mental block.

The truth? This from a woman who claims the WTC was blown up by the US? Against Rosie? Nah, she's irrelevant to me. I do not gauge my honesty or reality based upon what some windbag on tv talks about. She's an entertainer, nothing more nothing less. Do I respect her? Absolutely not. When she was asked point blank if she wanted the US to win in Iraq, she refused to give a yes or no answer. Now, she attacks Elisabeth for not giving a yes or no answer. Again, accusing people of being in denial or having mental blocks because they do not agree with you or St. Rosie, undermines your position.

[kathytheshopper]

Yes, Rosie has done a few good things. Heck, anyone with money needs tax exemptions!! BUT she's still a loud mouthed, rude BULLY!!

[mom2twins2]

Some celebrities seem to bask in what they do, i.e., charities, etc., to further their careers and boast about it, i.e., Rosie. Some posters questioned what charitable things has Elisabeth done and some even said they couldn't find anything. Well, I found this online about some interesting things about Elisabeth (I think it was TV Guide).

Elisabeth Hasselbeck Fast Facts:
-Was captain of Boston College's Division I softball team.
-An avid runner who has completed the Boston Marathon.
-Suffers from Coeliac disease.
-Has worked with numerous charity organizations, including Susan G. Komen Breast Cancer Foundation, Making Memories Foundation and Habitat for Humanity.

So Elisabeth does work with charity foundations -- she obviously doesn't feel the need to broadcast it like Rosie does!

[devinmom]

Originally Posted by Carrie

Ok this is frustrating to me.... I don't see where you guys are coming from... Why was Rosie so wrong compared to Joy? Why was Rosie more wrong than Elizabeth? I just watched this again and I see both sides. What I don't understand is why Rosie is so much worse than the rest. I feel like I am blind because I do not understand your points. I really am trying to understand and I don't like to be a one sided person.When you answer this try doing it without calling any names.

Carrie,

I don't remember seeing anyone here say that Rosie is EVIL. Some of your other posts have accused some of us as being "haters" and thinking of Rosie as a "terrible person." Not sure why those words are being used.

I see a huge difference between what Joy did and what Rosie did - Joy is very much against George Bush - good for her - she's entitled. Rosie was different - her issue was not so much G.W.B. on Wednesday - her agenda was to Bully Elisabeth on live TV.

Joy did ask E to stop cutting her off - I think that kind of squabbling is pretty par for the course on that show. Rosie was pointedly offensive, and name-calling.

Again - I think you'll be hard-pressed to find a poster here who described Rosie as evil. Most everyone said she has done some good. IMO, she HAS become bitter and jaded, and close to irrelevant because of it.

Hope that helps.

[devinmom]

Originally Posted by Carrie

Maybe evil was not used bad is that better? I don't want to play with words I think everyone knows what I meant to say.
I'm not being a smarta@@.
Peace

I know your posts are usually not that heated - even when there are disagreements here. So I appreciate you clarifying.

I just didn't want really offensive words being placed on the side of people who are pretty ticked at Rosie. And if you realize that people are not saying those words, and don't feel nearly as strongly or hateful as that, you might not be that upset afterall.

I really do like to read what you have to say. I usually can see your side, even when I'm not on it.

Thanks, Carrie.

D.

[njfl]

Originally Posted by wowitsdark

I believe the opposite.

There are those who so hate Bush that if he acheived world peace and a chicken in every pot, they'd still find fault with him.

I don't have my head in the sand, nor do I have a mental block. I believe Iraq was a wildcard that was run by a dictator who was a sworn enemy of our nation. I believe he did have WMD, and while we were dinking around trying to please the UN, they got them out of the country and into neighboring like-minded counties under cover of darkness. I believe this situation was bigger than just Iraq. It was a statement to the UN that it's not going to fly to make edicts as part of cease fire agreements and then not bother to uphold them. All credibility is lost when that happens, and dictators run amuck worldwide when it's obvious that the organization that is supposed to oversee compliance could care less.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend. I believe that while Sadaam was not part of the Al Qiada network, he certainly was sympathetic to their cause of hatred against the US. It was just a matter of time before he'd have been supporting them by providing guns andother weaponry he'd illegally ended up with in his oil for food exchanges with France and Russia. I believe this pre-emptive strike had positive effects we cannot see because going into Iraq prevented them. And the negative things that are happening in Iraq *are* visible, so it seems they are the only piece in the puzzle. I believe they are but a sliver of the potential events and happenings that could have played out by our invading Iraq -or NOT invading Iraq ... and just as nobody seems to acknowledge that it's been almost six yaers and we've had no new attacks on our own soil and give Bush any credit for it, I can't imagine that that same crowd would give him any credit for the assembling of the terrorist minds taking place behind the curtain that shielded Iraq that *didn't* happen because we took out that sympathetic dictator.

There are many of us who feel this way. It has nothing to do with not having what it takes to face that Rosie is right. It's about thinking Rosie is a smug, self-righteous, self-absorbed individual whose sole political rationale is based in her need to further her sexuality-based agenda, and touting every position that the side that approves of her sexual orientation holds.

I think if Clinton had still been in office and he had done what Bush did, she would be supportive of it, because Clinton is supportive of her sexuality. All politics are local, and for Rosie, that's as local as it gets. It's her key point on the platform, and everything else is done to support it.

WOW! so we just listened to your opinion and rosie and the rest of us who do not have your opinion have a right to speak. what has that got to do with her being Gay? I have a question that I am going to ask.Has anyone out there heard that Bush wanted to get saddam because of revenge for his father. I know that might sound stupid but I remember hearing rumors about that when we went into Iraq. I dont have a reason he would only that I heard that at that time.

[njfl]

Originally Posted by beckyandplacido

Okay, here's my 2 cents. I think 99% of american's want the same basic thing. Everyone wants to be healthy, living the american dream. However, that the main thing about politics, is how to get that for everyone. I DO NOT believe in Govt. controlled health care. Look at what that has done in other contries, such as canada. Yes Everyone over there has health care, but what good does it do you if you are put on a waiting list for necessary surgery, or you can't get in to see the dr. when you are sick... The idea is good, However it is difficult to put it into practice.
Now someone said to listen to Rosie's core message, not her political beliefs... Why not do the same for George W? His core message is that he want's American's to feel safe and secure. Really, who wants to disagree with that core belief? Now, how he is going about to try and make that happen for us is where the disagreements start, and it is politics, you can't separate the two. So as nice as Rosie's core beliefs are, you can's separate her from her political side.
There's my 2 cents!

Mitt Romly(who is running for president ) made sure that everyone in Mass has health care. Im not a republician but he would be the one to do it.
















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[allinaugust]

Originally Posted by njfl

Mitt Romly(who is running for president ) made sure that everyone in Mass has health care. Im not a republician but he would be the one to do it.



















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I'm not familiar with this, but, I don't think it is the same type of Health Care that they have in Canada. There is a big difference in getting everyone on a Health Care Plan,where you have doctors to choose from, and get a timely appt., etc., and instituting Gov't run Health Care, where you have to go to a certain place, etc. which is what they have in Canada. I have spoken to some people from Canada, and they say it's a nightmare.

[njfl]

Originally Posted by allinaugust

I'm not familiar with this, but, I don't think it is the same type of Health Care that they have in Canada. There is a big difference in getting everyone on a Health Care Plan,where you have doctors to choose from, and get a timely appt., etc., and instituting Gov't run Health Care, where you have to go to a certain place, etc. which is what they have in Canada. I have spoken to some people from Canada, and they say it's a nightmare.

I agree about the program in Canada. I have a freind from there, but mass has health insurance for everyone and it is working. Maybe it should be done on the state side.