In an effort to keep this as pleasant as possible, I would like to ask that we stick to the subject and please let's not debate. Just give your opinion and your points on why you do or do not support the war. Also, for those in the military or those who have loved ones in the military let's remember that those who do oppose the war, does not mean they don't support the troops!! WE LOVE OUR TROOPS and everyone of us is proud of them and their bravery everyday!!

P.S. This was for you NJFL!! Thanks for the idea!

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TLJ Women united in Spirit!

it's so much more complicated than support/dont support. overall i support it, i suppose, but that doesnt mean i think everything has been done correctly.

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I cannot answer just yes or no to this question. I can't answer without getting political because the "war on terror" in my opinion is a pitiful excuse to spend money to take over over peoples' countries who don't agree with us and to use as an "investment" if you will to create a flow of currency that ends up in the pockets of the people who are supposed to be protecting us. Because most of them own stock in and are affiliated with the companies that make the war equipment, with Halliburton who has proiftted more on this war than you could imagine, and with the oil companies that profit from this big mess.

But you want a yes or no answer and I guess it depends on what you consider the "war on terror". If you mean do I support this war and do I think that by fighting it we are fighting terror then my answer is NO I don't support the war on terror. If you are asking if I support the way private American citizens have had their private communications invaded illegally then I would have to say NO.
If you ask if I support billions of dollars of our tax money to "fight terrorism" in a far away land while I see in my own state a lack of funds for social programs and law enforcement then I say NO.

If you are asking whether I support enforcing laws against the people who threaten our way of life then I say YES but in that case you would have to arrest many of the people who "run" our government.

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I support a war on Terrorists, and I first agreed with this current war we are in, however, I think now how do we get ourselves out of it, and when is it "over." There really will always be terrorists, so are we going to always constantly be at war? Now, I do think things are getting critical with Iran, and would support action against them if they kick out UN inspectors and continue on the same path they are on, because they are getting to be more of a threat to us.
Just my opinion!

I just want to add the I too suppor the troops and I would love to see them come home I would love for not one more young man or woman (or old ones for that manner) to die.

I support the troops I don't support what put them where they are.

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I support the war 100%. As a military spouse of a husband who is currently deployed I can tell you that what you read or hear is not always everything. There is so much going on over there that it is just to hard to report it all. And the news people only really want to print the interesting stuff that is going to sell their paper or make people watch their show. With all the info I know I believe that if we were to pull our troops out now the problems over there would just get worse. And then we would end up back there again. So why no just get it over with now. Yes it cost alot of money to fight the war, but I think the money is well worth it if it means we won't have the terrorist groups who caused 9-11.

I do support the War or Terrorism. I can see it for what it is. I'll leave it at that.

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"To any critics who say a woman can't think and work and carry a baby at the same time, I'd just like to escort that Neanderthal back to the cave." - Sarah Palin

I think its a horrible waste of cute guys.Those Iraquian guys are so cute.

I support fighting the terrorists. I supported the war in Afghanistan, the war against Al Quaeda, and the search for OBL. I oppose this trumped-up war and the nation-building in Iraq, in which Bush has knowingly created a terrorist state where known previously existed. So, wherever my vote should go, put it there.

I support it. I believe in fighting the terrorist. I just believe it should of been done a little differently.

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First off I am a Soldier's Angel and I support our troops with my time and my love. I do not agree that we should be acting as the world's poice force. These people have been fighting since the beginning of time and they will continue to fight until THEY agree to get along.

I think it is a shame that our military is stuck in the middle. God Bless them.

Laura
Soldier's Angel for Carl in the Andar providence

Ditto Ditto... I want the soldiers to come home (alive!)

Jason

Well said... YOU have said this more eloquently then I ever could. I am not a praying woman but I do pray every day for the safe return of our troops. It breaks my heart knowing that so many lives are being lost in vain.

I support the troops and think it is time for them to come home.

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GO #24 JEFF GORDON

I agree. My DH is also over there.

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Yes, I agree. There is so much that we will never really know, because, let's face it, it's not like the President or anyone else, can just lay it all out there. That would be a terrible breach of security.

I hate to see people dieing. Really hated to see the World Trade Center come down, the Pentagon, and the plane in the field in Pennsylvania. War is ugly, no doubt about it, and there is going to be collateral "damage". I think after 9/11 we all wanted "someone" to pay.

In the words of Rodney King......."can't we all just get along????"

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I also do not know where to place my vote. I agree with what annadrose says here.

I agree with this, too.

I can only pray that we are fighting for the right reasons. As my brother leaves for Iraq again in 2 days I just pray this war will soon be over. I do not know how many more funerals for our military I can go through.

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I laugh at you because you are all the same.

Your mind is like a parachute, it only works when it is open.

As a USN veteran and a former USN wife, I have to agree with mommy2girls.

There are some things that Joe Public will never know, because we are not privileged to that information, and the things you hear or see on the news is meant to sell the station from which it is broadcast from. It may or may not be the truth.

There is a song that came out back in the 80's by Don Henley. If you read the lyrics, that should tell you all you need to know about our media outlets.

Don Henley | Dirty Laundry lyrics

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The war we are engaged in in Iraq is not a war on terror, in my opinion.
That said, I'm 100% behind our military. They are doing the job that they voluneteered and signed up for. They knew or should have known when they enlisted that they were training for potential war. They are doing there job. Often people have to do jobs that I don't agree with (Public defenders have to defend rapists, molestors, murderers) but that is there job and they do it to the best of there ability. And I respect them for that. I stand in awe of our Military because they do things that I am not willing or capable of doing.

But, I'm not in favor of this war. A true war on terror? Yes!

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Are you kidding?

Define "War on Terror."

Hello, everyone! I have been reading all of the posts about the War on Terror and the related topics. I have been trying my best to not say anything about the topic because it is a topic that I hold close and have strong feelings about since I have loved ones in the military. I do want to ask though since I have noted reference after reference about Iraq. Does anyone remember that our military is still fighting the war on terror in Afghainstan as well?? There is very little said about them in the media today because it is not a "hot topic" for political reasons. I have loved ones that are overseas as I type this to you and they have told me the following many times:

"We would rather fight the terrorists on foreign soil than allow them to attack us again on our own soil."

There is a lot of truth in that statement because there have been no other attacks on our soil since the war on terror started. Do I want the soldiers home and out of harm's way? Most definitely BUT not until the job is finished OR they will end up having to go right back into a much more hostile situation.



Debbie

Its two different things the war on terrorism is not the war in Irag or am I wrong. I support the war on terrorism but I dont support us being in Iraq. Does that make sense?

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I believe in fighting terrorists and protecting ourselves. Do I think the war, IN IRAQ, is what this is truly all about? Nope.....and those who refer to 9/11 as the #1 reason to explain the moral rightness of our being in Iraq need to remember that Iraq and Saddam have never been proven to be at all behind 9/11. We cannot lump all middle-Easterners, all-Muslims, all ANYTHING together to fit our definition of acceptable targets. Do I think Saddam was a good man? Nope. Do I think that it is a shame he is gone. Again, nope. But, do I for even a minute believe that it is our duty to step into a civil war in another country? NOPE NOPE NOPE. If we choose to do so, there are literally scores of countries where we can come up with the same excuse to send our troops. Do I believe oil has anything to do with this war? Yep. Do I KNOW this for a fact? Nope, but I have studied many papers that point to the very, very very strong fact that this is in NO WAY a humanitarian war. If the US were out to be the humanitarians to those less fortunate countries, where were we in Rawanda when their civil war included genocide or an entire population? Where are we now with the atrocities in Darfur? Do I believe that it is our nation's duty to be in all these civil wars where genocide, murder, rape and starvation run rampant? No Way. But why do we pick and choose?

I want it known that I 100% support the troops fighting in all the areas of the middle east. I, too, have adopted troops with my children. Does this mean that I have to support this immoral war? Nope.

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That's a great point to be made.

I fail to see how fighting them over there keeps us safe here. What on earth is there to stop them from coming across the Mexican or Canadian border? How does invading and occupying a country that was no threat to us keeping us safe?

"We would rather fight the terrorists on foreign soil than allow them to attack us again on our own soil."


But, when did the Iraqi people attack us on our own soil? The 9/11 bombers/terrorists/attackers have never been linked to Iraq in general. If the plan is to attack those who did attack us and kill many many innocent people, do we just get to pick and choose a country to make an example of? OBL is not Iraqi. As I have said before, Saddam has never been shown to be at all instrumental in the 9/11 attacks.

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"Yesterday is but a vision, and tomorrow is only a dream. But today well lived makes every yesterday a dream of happiness, and every tomorrow a dream of hope." Anonymous

"Your candle does not lose it's light by lighting another candle" Generosity

Have the courage to be yourself.

Hello! For those that questioned the quote, did you miss the part in my original post where I stated we still have troops in Afghanistan? The topic of this post was the War on Terror which is what the troops are fighting in the different countries. I am not going to debate whether or not we should be in Iraq because it is a moot point now since our troops are there fighting every single day and have been since March of 2003. Honestly, I do not understand debating something that has been going on for four years now because it is not going to change the past.


Debbie

littlewolf,

thank you for clarifying what I should have! I just couldn't figure out how to say it without making anyone mad.

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TLJ Women united in Spirit!

Hello, mrk1118! You're welcome! You asked about the War on Terror and that is what I was trying to keep my post about with my replies. The War on Terror encompasses many places and NOT just Iraq. I have loved ones in both countries and instead of debating a moot point, I select to show my support to them by the things I do instead of just talking about it. This will be my last reply to this topic because it seems as if the posts are not staying on the topic as requested.

Debbie

Carrie

Your thread is for the War in Iraq. This post is for the War on Terror.... What Homeland security is doing here, what the troops in other countries are doing. I think that is what she is saying.
If you look at the differences in our polls, I think that you will see the difference.

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TLJ Women united in Spirit!

There will always be criminals, thats why we have police officers, there will always be sick ppl thats why there are doctors and nurses, there will always be emergencies thats why we have first responders i.e. paramedics and first responders. I guess thats my answer to your question. I think that there will always be a need for a patrolling of these areas.

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TLJ Women united in Spirit!

Are you kidding me???? If your statement is a joke...its not funny....and if you really mean it...its a terribly shallow statement!!!! Sherri

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The amount of money spent is Iraq is far and above the total cost we have spent in Afghanistan--actually just about THREE TIMES AS MUCH so far......and the war in Afghanistan has been going on longer..since 2001 actually. Just because we are now in Iraq does not mean it is right we are there, NOR should it mean that we are obligated to stay there....just because. I have pasted links below for MIT fiscal studies from which these figures came. I have also studied other sites showing that the war just in Iraq will be over 2 trillion dollars (this study done by two Nobel Peace Prize winners in economics, so presumably reliable sources). You state that you do not want to debate, but you question others who express a different opinion here. And, for every poster I have seen here, they have been very polite and to a poster have stated that their support for the troops is unanimous. The "War On Terror" has very obviously become centered and defense dollars spent on and magnified Iraq -- not Afghanistan. So to get upset with we posters who have focused on Iraq does not make sense to me considering that obviously the current "War on Terror" is focused on Iraq.

If you go to the first link listed below, go to Table 6 and this is what you will find:
Table 6: Funding for US Military Operations, FY01-06

Operation Enduring Freedom
(Afghanistan) 76Billion$
Operation Iraqi Freedom
(Iraq) 226Billion$
Operation Noble Eagle and Other 29Billion$

Total 331BIllion$


MIT CIS: Publications: Foreign Policy Index





The more-than-$2-trillion war

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"Yesterday is but a vision, and tomorrow is only a dream. But today well lived makes every yesterday a dream of happiness, and every tomorrow a dream of hope." Anonymous

"Your candle does not lose it's light by lighting another candle" Generosity

Have the courage to be yourself.

I don't see anything shallow about my post.I just think its horrible seeing all these guys lives wasted (on both sides).Are you happy they are all dead or what? I'm not. I just think its a waste.Lot of cute guys have died on both sides and yes, I think Iraqian guys are cute.So what ? Whats the big deal ? Why the heck are you attacking me anyway?Just because I think Iraqians are cute? Are you prejudice or what?

I'm absolutely appalled by this post.

What the heck does the "cuteness" of the "guys" have to do with the "value" of their lives?????

So it's only the "cute" guys whose lives have been wasted

Wow.

Oh quit picking on me and being silly ! They are all cute! And so are all the babies,and mothers ,and puppies,and cats ,and kittens and everything else I did not mention that were killed too.I said men because ,thats the majority. Now,anything else you'd like to pick on me for today?

Your statements sound silly and juvenile. When I read the first statement, I thought you were just kidding, but then when you said you were serious, I went back and re-read what you wrote. No one is picking on you. You said it and people have the right to be upset with what you wrote!!!

Actually, your post was in extreme poor taste and yes, shallow. Cute? That's what our soldiers' sacrifices boil down to? I didn't respond the other day to this because I was sickened. I had just walked my 6 year old son over to his best friend's house to say goodbye. His dad was just killed and they were getting on a plane that night to leave Alaska for good. I got back and read that horribly shallow comment and could only shake my head in wonder. And, for the record, those cute guys over in Iraq are called Iraqi - not Iraqian.

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"To any critics who say a woman can't think and work and carry a baby at the same time, I'd just like to escort that Neanderthal back to the cave." - Sarah Palin

I thought everyone had agreed to post their opinions without others attacking them for it.Obviously you were one that did not agree to it.I never attacked anyone here for their opinions even if I didn't like them.This board seems to have reverted back to the olden days I see.

Well, thanks ,now I know the proper spelling.
Anyone else want to tell me how disgustingly appalled they are at me?
I'm entitled to my opinion too. And my opionion still thinks its horrible waste of cute men,and anything else that dies in this War on terrorism.

I think this war is an atrocity. I think that we should not be in Iraq. I think our President is not a good President. All that said...

I found your post to be in EXTREMELY poor taste. If you believe that the worst thing about this war is the loss of "cute" guys then I would suggest that you need to re-evaluate your priorities! While it's ok to express your opinion...It is NOT ok to offend 99.99% of the posters on this board.

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I don't see where I said anything against any poster on this board.And I do not have to go into depth about how I personally feel about all the things going on in the war.I think its a shame though ,that this board has become a place where its now "OK" to attack others for their opinion.

Nobody here attacked you, called you names, etc. We were responding to your posts in this topic. Your posts struck many of us as shallow and in very poor taste. If you're allowed to give your opinion, why aren't we? You're an adult, I would think you could deal with some criticism without resorting to calling it "attacks."

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"To any critics who say a woman can't think and work and carry a baby at the same time, I'd just like to escort that Neanderthal back to the cave." - Sarah Palin

Well, I consider it an attack,and your suppose to be giving your opinion on the "War on Terrorism", not attacking or picking out other peoples view of the subject"War on terrorism" and attacking them because you don't like their opinion.That is "attacking" in my opinion.

I do not support the War between MyCouponers - no way, no how.
Can we maybe change the subject or something.

cj/

P.S. Just kidding...kinda sorta...it does make me very uncomfortable when people attacks others.

I would be willing to bet that EVERY SINGLE person on this board finds your "opinion" disgustingly appalling.

Are you "trying" to offend us

Are you trying to "attack" me ?

No, I'm not.

But I certainly do agree with all the other posters who find your "opinion" offensive

Well, I still feel you and the others are attacking me. And I'm not deleting my opinion just because you don't like it.

The costs of this war in born by the few who serve and their families. I read a story once about a young soldier who returned to his small town in Ohio after his second tour in Iraq. He bumps into a high school pal and they start catching each other up. The pal is surprised to hear he's just back from Iraq as in, "I thought we already left."

I don't think that we get enough coverage of the war. There is certainly not enough on the evening news nor in print. Unless we spend time trying to find out the truth, we just don't know.

It was a shallow comment but somehow understandable. They just don't know.

Your right about that! I don't know.The only thing I know is that all this death is horrible! And thats all I know. And if my opinion that death is horrible offends anyone,I'm sorry, but that is just my opinion.