For as many STUPID people out there, there are abusive parents! And some are "unblessed" to be both STUPID & Abusive!

Is it the depleting ozone that causes all the stupidity?? or did they get dropped as babies??

For this story, I have to wonder (since the girl is 19, but didn't say how old the father is)...where in the he** is the Grandmother of this child???? Certainly this chick wasn't using the brains that God gave her!!

Police: Pacifier taped to face killed baby - Crime & Punishment - MSNBC.com

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That is crazy. My opinion most 19 years couldn't handle having a baby. Heck, I was 29 with my first and It was still hard, I would never have done that, but when I was 19, I don't know what I would have done. They should make people having kids have to go threw a trial run, so they know the pressure of getting no sleep and having a crying baby along with everything else you have to do. No one truly has a clue how difficult it can actually be until they experience it.

I had my son when I was 19 and for the first two years of his life I raised him alone. I knew when I found out I was pregnant that the baby would be my responiosibility and mine alone. I didnt get pregnant on purpose or even accidently.. I was in an abusive relationship and it happened and it wasnt by my choice. Having my son made me grow up fast.

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Maybe I am getting old but I have come upon people raising kids etc that don't follow common sense.
I told a mother of a small child not to let it play with a plastic bag. She just looked at me like I was crazy. I saw a 10 year old boy put a plastic trash bag over his head. The teacher and mother in me yell at him to take it off.

There is a commercial that shows around here (although I can't remember what the commercial is actually for....) but it has women preparing to be moms: feeding moving babies heads, pushing strollers thru an obstactle course, consoling crying babies, etc....I think it really hits the nail on the head

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Some parents really don't think about the what the if's We was waiting to get our picture taken at Olan Mills. This lady comes in and hands her child a bottle of medicine to keep him entertain...My ds (at the time a toddler himself )walks over to him grabs his hand and tells him NO NO Bad..She quietly took the medicine away from her child...I was so proud of my boy & It took everything in me not to laugh at what he just taught her

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I was reading the article today & I could not believe how stupid someone could be..There are many people who have babies at this age and they make perfectly fine parents.. I really don't think age is a factor...this girl is just plan stupid!

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I dont think age is a good reason for stupidity. When asked my 12 year old son said he would never tape a pacifier in a childs mouth. Granted, he is no where near ready for fatherhood, lol, but even he knows better.

Also, I dont think the the grandmothers degree of responsibility or neglect can be questioned at all. Who even knows if she was in her daughters life at the time. My mother wasnt even in the same state as me when I gave birth at 19, so she had nothing to do with the raising of my son.

Personally, I am all for sterilizing her and letting her serve her sentence. I dont think she should get another shot at being a mother. I know, I am being harsh. But, I am in that kind of mood today.

Darlene

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Darlene,
You think YOU are being harsh? Check out my blog for MY take on it.

Well, in my head, with all the cuss words that I cut out of my post added back in, it sounded way more harsh. LOL

I really think that world should be trying to eliminate stupidity from the gene pool by doing away with everyone that does something this monumentally stupid. But, that is a wish for the silly wish post I was just reading.

D

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Off topic but pet peeve: people that give babies their car keys to play with. DISGUSTING! Putting them in their mouth....eeeeewwwww....don't want to think of the germs on those. Probably as dirty as money. Off to read the blog...

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Cici...OMG...I just about printed half of that letter in my first post, thought otherwise and went a tad nicer. Couldn't agree with you more!

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I was not insinuating that it is the Grandmother's responsibility...


What I was trying to say (sorry for not being clearer)...was... Where was the Grandmother of this baby? Didn't she "teach" her daughter what to do and what not to do as a Mom??

I guess I am wondering where in the he** the support system was for this baby?

I don't feel sorry for the mom, whatever guilt she has to live with is her own doing and by her own hand.

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What a tragedy. Some people are too stupid to breed.

Just yesterday I took my kids for pizza. They had o ne of those big gumball machines where the big gumball comes spiraling down. There was a little girl standing by it, Im guessing about 18 months old. Her dad was at the counter ordering. I noticed she had one of those huge gumballs in her hand, thinking she probably found it, I ran to the dad and said Your little girl has one of those gumballs in her hand. With attitude he said, its ok, she wont put it in her mouth! WHAT? He bought it for her.

I'm a nervous wreck giving those to my 4 and 6 year olds!

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Why is it the ppl who want children AND can take care of them can't have them and the ones who just can't take care of them can have 17 kids in a row?!?!?!????

This world is not fair.

And Cici you weren't nearly as harsh as what I was thinking. I say wrap a pacifer around her mouth and let her go that way. Saves money for the state as well, because they won't have to house her.

And age has nothing to do with it. My DH and I were 22 and 19 when we had our first DD and we were just fine. At 4 months old we were still watching her breathe in the middle of the night!!

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Oh Boy, I'm suiting up right now I know I'll get flamed to no end for posting this ....

I don't feel from what I read that she did this to harm her child. I think this was a really BAD BAD MISTAKE she made on her lack of Mothering skills. As a Seasoned Mother of 7 Kiddo's I'm sure I over the last 25 years have/ had made Mistakes that Thank- God didnt result in one of mine dying. I don't think I would have even thought of taping a Binky in ones of theirs mouths, But I'm sure at some point I've done something that could have harmed or even taken their life because I just didnt think at that time it would harm them.

To me this very sad story of a unseasoned mother wasn't doing this to kill her child, She didn't beat the baby, Starve the baby .. She made a very poor judgment thinking if she taped a Binky he couldn't push it out as most babies do when being this young, I know mine did it, Seemed as soon as I put the Binky in they were pushing it right back out. It's was endless at times..

It's only Natural that we feel anger toward this Mother it's in our "Motherhood skills" that we want to beat/ shoot/ kill her for doing this. However, I can't judge her on this like that. I feel very sorry for everyone thats been effected by the lost of this Child.. But I don't think she did this to harm her Child just a really bad bad mistake.

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I take it you missed the part where she tied PAJAMAS around the baby's arms??

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No Dreams I didn't miss that part at all, It's NOT uncommon for Parents to snuggle their babies like this. I use to wrap mine in blankets leaving only the neck and head exposed. I didn't find that odd at all she did that. I'm sure it wasn't like she Tied his arms apart as in 1 arm being tied to a rail .. Ever seen how the Nurses at the hospital snuggle newborns ?? They wrap the blanket snuggling the arms to the body. I take this as the snuggle couldn't be found and she wrapped the Pj's as a made shift snuggle.

Or at least thats my take. As I stated before, It's hard to judge her from my eye's If this was a case of her Beating, Starving the baby then It's clear intent on doing the baby harm. I guess I'm the odd ball on this because I see it was a Unseasoned Mother doing something that she didn't understand would harm her baby.

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This is what I think.I think she got so irritated with the baby crying that she taped the pacifier to its mouth to keep it quiet.I find it hard to believe that she never thought for one minute that the baby would not be able to breathe through its mouth,let alone choke on its own saliva which babies make a lot of especially when sucking or choke on its puke which babies spit up a lot too.What did she expect the baby to do when it wanted to cry?Breathe through the nose that would be filled with mucous that crying causes?I think she was just so irritated that she didn't care.Can someone really be that dumb? It will be interesting to see what the outcome of her court case will be.

I agree with you, got2save and dolly. I don't think she intended the baby to die -- I think, as I said, that she was just too stupid to be a mother! If she's intended to hurt the baby, why would she tell the police that she'd taped the pacifier to the mouth? That makes no sense . . .

I had my son at 18.I think the dumbest thing i ever did was to fall asleep while breast feeding the baby in bed one time.I could have killed him doing that.I remember waking up in horror that I had fallen asleep.

I also agree with got2save2. Very dumb idea that she had there with very tragic results. I'm also guessing that the mom had minimal support system. Kudos to all you who were in similar situations as young mothers and didn't make any mistakes that had devestating impact. Nice job! As for us, we had #1 take a cruise down the stairs in his walker (and a trip to the emergency room) and #2 I fell asleep in the chair while breastfeeding and he rolled out of my arms and onto the floor (it is tiring to work all day with a child under 1 year old!) - but he never woke up! LOL.

I will pray for this young couple and the soul of the child.

cj/

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I do too...

I used to swaddle the babies tightly. If we had lost our swaddling blanket, I'd have swaddled in something else if necessary. It really helped them to calm down.

The tape was a measure of desperation. You lose sleep, you don't think straight. I remember those days... I had one really difficult baby and was so conscientious and worn out from everything that it felt like it was going to kill *me*, if I didn't get some sleep.

Tragic.

Yeah, I had one with extreme colic (my first). His pediatrician used to call me in the evenings to see how I was doing....what a great dr. she was (now retired)! It can be really tough....

cj/

I believe that its said she checked onthe baby around 11:00a.m. and the authorities said the baby had been dead for hours. Doesn't sound like an unseasoned mother to me....just a lazy one.

and got2save I'm not flaming you. I think that yes, anyone of us could have made a mistake with our infants. This just seems like someone who was being lazy. She wasn't checking on that child regularly either or she would have known that baby had died. As a first time mom I'm sure you were still making sure yours was breathing every half an hour like we were!!

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mrk11118 I will have to agree with you on this one. I was eat up with the fear one of mine would stop breathing in their sleep. That fear came true for us with our now 8 year old. He stopped breathing when he was just over a month old. I was up very late on the computer as a matter of fact I was right here on MC when they were just a infant site then ( 1999Feb ) I hear what I thought was a gasp and went into the room only to find him turning blue and purple. I screamed which woke DH up he was sleeping less than 5 feet away from the crib. We called 911 and while the EMT's were checking him out he stopped again. He was rushed to the Hospital and Evaluated placed on a Monitor for the next 6 months ( Ever heard one of em babies go off Would wake DA dead !) I was so fearful after this ( well even before that ) that I checked on the last 2 seems like every sec. They didn't sleep alone or out of our room till their
1st birthday. But the fear of this came from my 25 year old when she was not even a month old. they said she had a asthma attack I found her gasping for air and we rushed her to the hospital on base longest 40 mile drive in my life !!, So really between my 25 year old and my 8 year old this was my worse fear from them being infants. So I was kinda of seasoned with the ones between the 25 year old and our now 4 year old. However, My SIL Mother of 2 would place a bottle in their mouths over night and never walk back in to check on them. Wonder one of them didnt choke to death...

I don't know if I could call it "Lazy" or just "worn down" from having a newborn, ( PROBABLY A COMBO OF BOTH ) I can see a newly Mother finally getting the peace of a no crying baby and not checking on them for "A WHILE" Maybe not Hours as this mother was suppose to have not done. But I really do in my heart feel she didn't mean to harm this baby. She made a terrible terrible mistake that sadly ended up costing her the child's life.

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