Just heard this on the news. Don't have the details, tho.


Hmmmm.

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his 30 month sentence was too excessive according to the potus.

however, he is still going to be disbarred and is still a felon, and he still has to pay something like $250K in fines.

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Here is a link to an article about this:

Bush commutes Libby prison sentence - Yahoo! News

I guess if you know just the right crooks, you can get away with just about anything.....$250K is NOTHING to this guy and he should be sitting in jail right now. It is all in who you know and how honest those people you know are and how ethical they choose to be.........NOT!

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I don't really follow politic and I know about the basics of this case but to me this is part of the problem in this country. No one is made accountable for their mistakes and problems. Our society has gone down the tubes and it scares me. I worry about my kids all the time because everyone is immoral and it is ok.

Paris Hilton, Lindsey Lohan, Brittney Spears, A Rod-- these are our role models?!?!

I have not been following the case (and am too lazy to look it up). What happened and what does cummute mean?

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I didn't follow the story either--so can't help you there. commute means basically forgiven or taken away.

where someone who is already in prison can get pardoned... someone who is facing prison gets commuted.

I can't think of too many times where this has happened--someone gets commuted.

Does anyone have the statistical information as to how many have been commuted over the years? I would think that it can't be too many.

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Been following it....and it is disgusting. Basically it takes away any leverage the prosecution had to get him to talk about who was involved....including the Vice President. It is the Executive branch using its power inappropriately....but, that is their M.O...but, nothing that comes out of the White House lately shocks me.

I think that it is a shame that they aren't taking seriously that a CIA agent was exposed and put in harms way, only because her husband wrote political commentary that was against the current amin. That is someone who is serving our country. What Bush has done is nothing but cronie-ism and snubbed the judicial system....and ultimately the American people. Happy 4th of July.... :::shrug::::

I remember on Clintons last day in office he pardoned about 140 people.
This is nothing new.

Ford pardoned Nixon,
Andrew Johnson pardoned thousands of former confederate officials and military personnel after the Civil War
Jimmy Carter's grant of amnesty to Vietnam-era draft evaders
George H. W. Bush's pardons of 75 people, including six Reagan administration officials in connection with the Iran-Contra affair
Bill Clinton's pardons of convicted FALN terrorists and 140 people on his last day in office - including billionaire fugitive Marc Rich

From what I understand, Bush is also looking at possibly pardoning him as well, which would mean no paying back the money... It's been done by so many other Presidents though, so I can't see really making that big of a deal over this.
What surprises me though is that Hillary is screaming about it, when HER husband pardoned 140 people in one day!

But generally it is the presidents last day in office and not someone from his administration. I think that is what is making this a big deal.

Bush thinks he and his administration are above the law. I hope he gets impeached and convicted. I know it won't happen, but I can dream.

Bush commuted his sentence, even while still talking out of the other side of his mouth and saying that Libby IS guilty. His reasong (flawed as usual) is that the fine is punishment enough....so, even though he is guilty as sin, I will give him a get out of jail free card. What Libby has done and is gulty of is obstructing justice.......he is covering up for many many other men and many other crimes. These criminals he is protecting will surely come up with the money to pay off the meager (in comparison to Libby's $$$) fine that was "sufficient punishment" in Bush-whacked's mind. This egregious behavior is just another loud example of the double-standard that this administration practices every day in office. Cannot wait till these clowns and harmful buffoons are out of the White House.

And, then today, Bush and his Press Secretary Tony Snow, in different conferences today, BOTH hinted at the fact that Bush still might issue a PARDON down the line to Libby. That PARDON would then make the crime go away...nothing left in the books, fine would be erased and he would have NO probation. With both of them making this statement today at different times, it is very likely that this will happen. Like I said....they are all "thick as thieves" and have absolutely no one to answer to but the head honcho who has no sense of accountability to the American people.

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And who was Rich's lawyer? Yep, Scooter Libby.

The difference is that Bush ignored the guidelines set out by the justice department for commuting sentences. What's also interesting is the incredibly high number of requests for commuted sentences he's declined. But I guess with Dick Cheney pulling for you, wonderful things can happen for old Lewis.

And, of course, who is Libby lying for? Bush and Cheney. So Bush is essentially thanking Libby for covering Bush's own butt.

Everytime you think Bush can't sink any lower, he does.

I cannot believe that there is not more of a public outcry on the things that this administration has been up to. It's really sad that the nation seemed more upset about Paris getting a shorter sentence than they do about this and the many other things the rulers of our nation have done and are continuing to do. It's a scary, messed up world we live in.

I think there's plenty of public outcry, but what can you do? Congress can't override the commutation, nor can the justice system. If we impeach Bush, we get Cheney, which is even worse.

I can only pray for Bush to get the justice he deserves when he leaves this earth.

I don't think it's that at all. Libby knows everything. His wife, after hearing the verdict, said, "we'll f*** them." It's this simple. If Bush hadn't intervened, Libby would have talked. I'd be willing to bet that Libbby gets a full pardon and never pays a dime of that fine.

I'm confused, because it sounds like you and I are in complete agreement. Libby got the commutation because if he hadn't, he was going to sing like a canary on Bush and Cheney.

I'm sure Libby will never personally pay a dime of that fine. His "friends" will take care of that!

Ya know, I had said that I felt that Libby knew from day one that nothing would become of this. However I am starting to believe the above; that Libby was going to start talking, he was going to do so soon and Bush commuted the sentence to keep him quiet. I'm sure when you are sittin in prison you start remembering things that you had previously 'forgotten'.

Yep I agree. I also think Bush will pardon Libby on his way out (565 days to go)

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You know, it always surprises me how really kind of hostile people get when talking about Bush. I think that he's been so much better than Clinton ever hoped to be.

The 'Bush' haters will always be Bush haters. No matter what he does, what he says, what he doesn't say will never ever be good enough in their eyes. I swear if he died in office, they'd have something sassy to say about that -- that he did it for publicity or something!! It amazes me that Clinton commuted and pardoned hundreds of felons and terrorists and they don't see that (or they don't want to see it). They wear blinders on their eyes. Strange how a democrat can walk out of a government building hiding classified stolen documents down in his pants, in his socks, and who knows where else he put them and not a single person on this board who complains so much about how crooked the republicans are -- they said absolutely nothing about this democrat who did this. Truly amazing.

If a democrat had done what President Bush did (commuted a sentence), not one person on this board who disses President Bush would have said one single word.


Yes, fletchersmom, they can get kind of hostile! And I certainly agree with you about Bush being MUCH better than Clinton could ever think to be.

Bush is better, alright. At destroying the country, trampling on the Constitution, starting unnecessary wars, killing American soldiers and making the US the most hated country in the world. You're right, Bush absolutely ROCKS at that! Bravo, George!

So Bush gives one of his buddies a walk on felony convictions and people are mad because we're all "Bush haters"? Is the world really just that simple to you?

But who's counting?

Nobody's mad because you're a Bush hater. To each his own. I just said that it surprised me how hostile people got when talking about him. Your post is a PRIME example of that. Obviously you take exception when people even hint that democrats are crooked or that G.W. might be an okay guy.

Just an observation people!!! Don't have a heart attack!!

Actually, her post is a PRIME example of why many are hostile. She bought up good points too.

Why would you assume someone would have a heart attack based on an observation made by you?

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This isn't about Dem vs. Repub.....or comparing this President to any other.

This is the executive branch acting above the law...

It is such an easy cop-out to compare Bush to Clinton, or any other President.

We should judge our leaders soley on their acts and their commitment to the American people and the laws that govern us.

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Why would you assume someone would have a heart attack based on an observation made by you?


It was a figure of speech.. and you just proved my point! Thanks!!

How did she prove your point by asking a valid question???

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I'm sorry, but who and when did Bill Clinton pardon or commute their sentence that could have PROVEN that Bill Clinton committed a felony while in office.

Do you Democrat haters not understand? This is not about party lines? This about a president who has lied! This is about a president that has destroyed the US' working relationship with many countries? This is about president who can't open his mouth without sounding like some kind of mentally challenged individual! He is an embarrassment to the country, to the people who elected him and to himself(but he is just to dumb to see it!). He believes that God speaks through him! Which indicates to me that he thinks he is some sort of prophet. And you know what? If a Democrat had behaved the way GWB has, had done the things that GWB has, I would feel the same way about the Democrat! Good Grief, even GWB's own party is distancing themselves from him. What does that tell you?

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To me, just getting all out of whack over an observation is the same as having a figurative "heart attack". In my initial post.. I didn't say ANYTHING that should cause anyone to get angry or to feel like they had to start throwing insults in my direction. The op that responded did. So in my opinion, she's having a heart attack over nothing. There's NO need to be rude. I thought that this was a board that everyone could state their opinions without being attacked on a personal level.. lately, that hasn't been the case.

OP stated an opinion and was called hostile by one poster and a Bush hater by others. If those were not personal attacks what were they?

FYI, I was not getting all 'out of whack'. I was merely asking why you felt that you felt your 'observation' would cause a heart attack, or rather that people would be that upset about it.

Please show what insults I made towards you.


I can assure you I am not having a heart attack (even if - as you say -it's just a figure of speech). Nor was I being rude. Your deflections will not work.

Furthermore, if you don't want to have your comments challenged then perhaps you should not post in a manner that can be antagonistic. It sometimes seems you can dish it but you can't take it. Just an observation on my part, of course.

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Furthermore, if you don't want to have your comments challenged then perhaps you should not post in a manner that can be antagonistic. It sometimes seems you can dish it but you can't take it. Just an observation on my part, of course.

Do you know me? No..

I wasn't being antagonisitic and you felt like you had to belittle me anyway. Am I not supposed to respond to you insinuating that I think too much of myself? That's the insult I was referring to, and it was you who dealt it. Just because you have a million posts doesn't mean that people will fall at your feet and not tell you when you're being rude.

Furthermore, if you don't want to have your comments challenged then perhaps you should not post in a manner that can be antagonistic. It sometimes seems you can dish it but you can't take it. Just an observation on my part, of course.

Nope, I don't know you. My comment was not entirely based on your posts in this thread but rather comments you have made during the tenure of the TC board.

Whoa. I never once felt like I had to belittle you, nor was I saying you think too much of yourself. Are you projecting? Where did that come from?

Also I do not feel that because I have a 'million points' that people will 'fall at my feet'. You have created a charge that I did not make. I have never once felt that way - ever - so please stop with that inflammatory comment.

And you have the nerve to call ME rude and suggest that other's (and not you!) are making personal attacks...

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So typical to this board. Everything's fine until posters come to defend President Bush and dare they say something bad about the democrat party!! So typical.

And to knit-pick about a poster just saying 'don't have a heart attack', my gosh, it's a figure of speech that people use everyday. Get over it, for goodness sake. Don't have a heart attack!!

You talk about criminal activity on the republican side. The democrats are nothing but a bunch of crooks. Sandy Berger -- that's just one. And he just got a smack on the hand.

And I am really amazed at how hostile people get when talking about Clinton (either one of them! ). It's the nature of politics.
Don't you know the old saying about not discussing politics or religion? That's because everyone has certain beliefs that they ascribe to.

I happen to believe that no thinking intelligent person could look back at what George W. Bush has done and honestly believe that he is a better president than Clinton (or for that matter, any other President, Democrat or Republican).

So, all that said, you started this fracas by referring to people as being "hostile". They were not hostile. They were expressing themselves quite nicely.

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It's also so typical that anyone who points out something Bush does that they feel is bad that people come out and call them Bush Haters or yell "but but Clinton did it!" Yep. so typical

If nit picking is asking someone to clarify a meaning or a statement they make, then so be it.
But just so you know, it is over with. So don't have a heart attack!

The Democrats are not the only political party that has crooks or criminals. Please see this site for further clarification: The Grand Ole Docket

Any public official that is engaging in illegal activity needs to be punished accordingly. Like Kelliiii so eloquently stated, this is not a Democrat/ Republican issue, nor should it be.

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It amazes me that the Dems scream over this pardon when Clinton pardoned his brother and brother-in-law...but thats nothing compared to some he pardoned...for example he pardoned 16 members of FALN, a Puerto Rican group that set off 120 bombs in the United States, convicted for conspiracies to commit robbery and bomb making. Congress says they are responsible for 6 deaths and permanently injuring dozens, even some policeman. His own wife condemned this action as well as the congress and house, but he cited executive privilege?????? But I guess that ok????? Then of course theres Marc Rich convicted of Wire fraud, mail fraud, racketeering, racketeering conspiracy, criminal forfeiture, income tax evasion, and trading with Iran in violation of trade embargo.

And how can Hillary say anything about Scooter Libby when she came very close to be brought up on charges of perjury herself in the travelgate scandel, Independent Counsel final report states the travel offices finds Hillary's testimony "factually false," they found she did play a role in the firings of the travel office staff contrary to her testimony, but the prosecutor felt the evidence was not enough to overcome reasonable doubt. The prosecutor also critized the then Clinton White House for resistence to providing evidence to his office, not getting documents in on time and just somehow not finding relevent emails???? Wonder how that happened.....

I dont agree with everything GW does but when it comes to pardons or controversies I think the dems should keep their mouths shut...Clinton was the most controversial president in us history and was also impeached!!! Here are just some of the records clinton set.....

The only president ever impeached on grounds of personal malfeasance

- Most number of convictions and guilty pleas by friends and associates**

- Most number of cabinet officials to come under criminal investigation

- Most number of witnesses to flee country or refuse to testify

- Most number of witnesses to die suddenly

- First president sued for sexual harassment.

- First president accused of rape.

- First first lady to come under criminal investigation

- Largest criminal plea agreement in an illegal campaign contribution case

- First president to establish a legal defense fund.

- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions

- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions from abroad


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But see, this thread wasn't about Clinton and what he did or didn't do.

This thread was about Scooter Libby and GWB decision to commute his sentence. Why is that so hard to get a grasp on?

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Here is when Bill Clinton pardoned someone who could Nark on him... He pardoned everyone involved in the Whitewater scandal...

Most of Clinton's involvement in the Whitewater scandal took place while Clinton was governor of Arkansas. Whitewater is the name given to the alleged banking and real estate scandals of Clinton and his friends. After money loss and a failed real estate venture, an illegal method to recover the losses was conceived. The scandal involves Clinton allegedly pressuring Arkansas Small Business Administration (SBA) worker David Hale into making an SBA loan to Madison Guaranty Savings and Loan. The money from the loan was then funneled out with cashier checks and personal accounts (many under false names) to pay for Clinton's debts from the failed Whitewater land project. In other words, tax dollars bailed Bill and Hillary out of a financial crisis after illegal means were used to acquire them.

Here is more Clinton Scandal...
The Clintons fired seven white house travel office employees in favor of hire cousins and friends. The employees were lifelong employees in good standing. After stating no other reason for the firings than the employees were viewed as disloyal to the administration, officials began to question the White House. Soon after the firings were questioned, the White House allegedly used the FBI to investigate the employees then attempted to ruin the worker's reputation by making the fact of an FBI investigation public. Travel employees ended up spending their life savings defending themselves in court against the false charges. Further investigation revealed that former travel office chief Billy Dale's FBI file was among the nine hundred plus requested files of Filegate.

And the war with Iraq??? Check with Clinton on this one too...
This applies to the repeated use of the United States military to draw attention away from the presidential impeachment and expulsion proceedings. Please make no mistake. All of the listed actions are fully justified. Their timing, however, has been manipulated to suit Bill Clinton's desire to use them as a political bailout tool. Three incidents where Clinton has used military action to divert press attention have occurred. The second was simply a use of timing as given. The first and third actions were manuevered to occur when they fit Clinton best politically.

Three days following a disastrous attempt at apology on August 17, 1998 Bill Clinton launched a missile attack on several facilities in an attempt to halt terrorist Osama Bin Laden. Though this attack was neccessary, Clinton seems to have purposely delayed it for political reasons. The attack on Bin Laden had in fact been proposed over a week in advance but was delayed by Clinton. Clinton then acted when he felt it was politically appropriate.
The day following a settlement with Paula Jones, Clinton made an aborted strike on Iraq. Though the timing of this event was probably the least manueverable of three incidents worthy of pointing out, Clinton did act at an excellent time for press coverage. He successfully kept the Jones settlement off the news for an entire weekend.
The third incident is the most blatantly obvious manipulation of power. One day before he was to be impeached, Clinton called an uncharacteristic suprise air attack on Iraq. Though the stated reason was refusal to allow UN weapons inspections, one must note that Saddam Hussein acted no differently than he had in the preceding six months. Though Hussein's actions have long warranted a military strike, Clinton prevented any action until the time suited him. To delay his inevitable impeachment, Clinton put American lives in the line of fire by striking Iraq. This action alone constitutes among the lowest forms of manipulation and abuse of power that America has ever seen.

And more...
Bill and Hillary Clinton left the Whitehouse with their pockets full - full of silverware, furniture, and pretty much everything else they could grab that wasn't theirs. Included was a multi thousand dollar furniture set belonging to the interior department, which the Clintons had tried to claim as a gift before being forced to return it under pressure and outrage.

On the night before and morning of his departure from office, Bill Clinton made several controversial "midnight" pardons. Aside from pardoning political allies and scandal co-conspirators such as Susan McDougal, Henry Cisneros, and his brother Roger, Bill pardoned fugitive criminal millionaire Marc Rich. Rich was charged in the early eighties with several felony offenses but fled to Switzerland to avoid facing trial. Among Rich's crimes were oil deals with Iran during the hostage crisis and ties to arms smuggling. Amazingly, Clinton completely disregarded pardon protocol in the Rich case and failed to properly inform many authorities in the justice department of Rich's fugitive status. The story becomes more interesting considering that Marc Rich's ex wife Denise, who fought for his pardon, is a close Clinton friend and DNC donor. Denise Rich gave $1 million in contributions to the DNC, $450,000 to Bill Clinton's library fund, and $70,000 to Hillary Clinton's senate campaign according to the Washington Times (2/22/00). The Rich pardon appears to be a political pay off and, though the president may constitutionally pardon anyone, it appears he abused his authority in a quid pro quo pardon in exchange for political donations. Clinton's pardon of Rich has prompted criticism from even the most liberal Clinton defenders and several prominent Democrats. Former President Carter called the pardon "disgraceful" while Senator Tom Harkin and even Rep. Barney Frank criticized it!
But that is by no means all. Hillary Clinton's brother Hugh Rodham was paid over $400,000 dollars for successfully fighting for pardons and commutations for criminals Carlos Vignali and Almon Glenn Braswell, two included in Clinton's last minute pardons and commutations list. Upon the eve of this story breaking, Hillary and Bill denied any knowledge of Hugh's involvement and, under pressure, called on him to return the money.

But that would require staying on topic. And the only way to defend Bush on this issue is to stray from the topic.

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But why does one feel it necessary to defend Bush? If you know that a thread is going to be "anti"-Bush, why do you feel the need to open it and defend Bush.

By bringing up the "scandals" of Clinton's Presidency and using those to justify or defend Bush (as in "well, Bush did ______, but Clinton did ______") makes those people sound like small children! You know the old "well, I wouldn't have hit him, except he looked at me and crossed his eyes" defense! Two wrongs don't make a right. So, really, by defending Bush, in my opinion, it just makes it look like he did something wrong. I don't defend Bill or Hill. Yep, Bill got a little oral action in the White House. Yep, Bill was a notorious womanizer and flirt. Yep, there were some probable shady dealings that involved both Clintons. But, and here's the kicker, even while they did these things, they managed to NOT PISS OFF THE WHOLE FREAKING WORLD!

We could go round and round all day about who has more faults and never come to an agreement. I think the only thing we can agree upon is that Bush has definitely secured his place in history as has Bill Clinton.

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And yet again, in a flurry of bi-partisan mumbo-jumbo, the point is missed...

Clinton has been out of office for how many years now? If we really want to get into comparisons, how about we put the current President up against Nixon and his impeachable actions? Or how about Johnson, and his actions during Vietnam? Or better yet, lets go back to the FDR years and talk immigration. The history of other men's actions means when faced with similar circumstances means nothing...because they aren't the same...only similar.

Again, this isn't about Dem or Repub.

This is the Executive Branch - The Office of the President and the Office of the Vice President acting above the law. The President has the power to commute or pardon any sentence, but not when it is for his own self interest or to protect himself from legal obligation or investigation. The pardon of Libby will dissolve any further action or investigation of the Office of the Vice President and their role in exposing a CIA agent for malicious intent. There is discovery implying that the Office of the President was made aware of this. That is breaking the law....

Regardless of who is sitting in the Oval Office, this is a blight against our judicial process. It is a big slap in the face to all Americans....and when it comes to something like this.....NO MATTER HOW YOU VOTED....NO ONE "should keep their mouths shut."

Hope this isn't directed at me because I am the last person in the universe to defend Bush. I was responding to the post I quoted and bowing to AMulquin...

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No, just a reply in general! Sorry, I didn't realize I had quoted you until I had submitted!

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No worries, I just don't want anyone to think that I support Bush in any way .

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I think that a huge problem here with some posters is that when a party or belief is called to task, the supporter of that idea or party will then attack the poster who disagrees with that belief or party...not the topic of the post, but the poster who does not agree with them. Instead of responding to opinions or facts, it gets personal and meaner and meaner as the thread grows. I have found that with these type of threads, they way too often become so off topic from the original post that supporting or disagreeing with the op is lost in the fray. I read to a certain point, then just give up......whether or not I support or disagree with the OP. That is the case with this thread, as a matter of fact. I have read about 7 or 8 personal back and forth attacks, and that is enough for me.
For all I know, someone could have already pointed out the same feelings that I do in this post of mine, but I stopped reading because I do not come to TC for vitriol and vindictiveness. I know we can all discuss without getting mean and personal......but too often lately that is not the case. I guess I am going to have to stop reading any posts that might have anything to do with "meaty issues" for fear of having to read personal sniping instead of knowledegeable discussion.....OR figure out how to ignore certain posters, which is really not what I would prefer to do. I don't want to police this board, but I wish people would stop and think about what they are trying to accomplish with a post......

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Blah, blah, blah.

Plagiarism sucks. If you have a unique thought, say it. If you are copying an entire web page, either give the actual author credit or just post the link so as not to take up space.

The Clintongate Administration

Blah, blah and more blah. Do you even know what the * means in what you plagiarized?

THE CLINTON LEGACY

This is becoming somewhat amusing.

Wow, Clinton did even more corrupt stuff than I thought!! Thanks for the info.

This seems to have turned into a "Who's the bigger criminal contest?"
I'm just gonna be backing out now I already know the winner.

LOL...as i have said before.I can't for the life of me see how some of you people still defend GW.He is the dumbest man to have ever held office as our President.He is a laughing stock to every other country on the planet.Of course he will pardon his ole pal.He will do it and snicker behind all our backs.But of course we can all still look forward to our OBGYN's showing us some lovin.LOL Had to add that one again.It always cracks me up.Have any of you ever looked up ole GW's IQ and compare it with Clintons.Not even close.... :-)