I read this off Yahoo and saw the Video the Mother gave, I'm SHOCKED over the airline doing this, This child was NOT reported as 'Misbehaving" or cutting up as the last one that kicked off a plane was, But saying Bye Bye Plane. This is UNREAL, I don't know how Mothers ( Parents ) are going to fly now with a child or children in tow if this keeps up. I wonder of the Parents will sue the airline now, I really cant blame them in this case if they did.

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ATLANTA - A woman said she and her toddler son were kicked off a plane after she refused a flight attendant's request to medicate her son to get him to quiet down and stop saying "Bye bye, plane."

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Kate Penland, of suburban Atlanta, said she and her 19-month-old son, Garren, were flying from Atlanta to Oklahoma last month on a Continental Express flight that made a stop in Houston.

As the plane was taxiing in Houston en route to Oklahoma, "he started saying 'Bye, bye plane,' Penland told WSB-TV in Atlanta. The flight attendant objected, she said.

"At the end of her speech, she leaned over the gentleman beside me and said, 'It's not funny anymore. You need to shut your baby up,'" Penland told WSB-TV in Atlanta.

When Penland asked the woman if she was joking, she said the stewardess replied, "You know, it's called baby Benadryl."

"And I said, 'Well, I'm not going to drug my child so you have a pleasant flight,'" Penland told the TV station.

Penland said other passengers began speaking up on her behalf, and the flight attendant announced they were turning around and that Penland and Garren were going to be taken off the plane.

Penland and her son were let off the plane and did not complete the trip to Oklahoma, said Kristy Nicholas, spokeswoman for Express Jet Airlines, which flies as Continental Express on behalf of Continental Airlines.

Attempts by the Associated Press to reach Penland under a telephone listing that matched her last name were unsuccessful.

"I was crying, I was upset and I was thinking, 'What am I going to do? I don't have anything with me, I don't have any more diapers for the baby, no juice, no milk," Penland told WSB.

Nicholas said, "We received Ms. Penland's letter expressing her concerns and intend to investigate its contents."

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That is unbelievable! I would have been irrate to say the least. I probably would have asked her if she had had her nerve pills. Or maybe she needed a benadryl.



Edited to add: If they are trained to deal with unruly passengers what happened to her training? I mean a baby jabbering away is going to upset her?!?!

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You know I wonder how they got back home ? It didnt say if she took another flight or had to rent a car. Poor lady, This baby was only doing what a little 19 month old does. Don't know about anyone else, but I'm glad I don't fly, I have a son that can NEVER take Benadryl, The only time he was given this was in the ER and it nearly sent him into a grand seizer, The doctors were freaking out over this, So if he ever was to acted out while in flight, Guess we will have to jump from the plane, LOL... this is so sad. I feel really bad for them.

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Of course not but couldn't you at least have told him to hush so others could have a pleasant flight?

The flight attendant was rude but I can understand her frustration. Babies talk but the parent can certainly distract them. Kate Penland may have found it utterly fascinating to hear her child repeat "Bye, plane" over and over but I don't and I always seem to be seated next to these kinds of parents. If the mother had used the slightest bit of consideration, the incident wouldn't have occurred. This wasn't a case of a baby with an earache crying. This was a case of the mother allowing her baby to jabber during takeoff.

Having the inconsiderate mother removed from the plane may have been an extreme reaction but I just wish all airlines had flight attendants like that one. My flights would be ever so much nicer.

I'd like to know if there was more to the story.

We don't have quotes from any other passengers or from the airline.

I have to think there was more going on here.

Wow...you don't have kids, do you?
You probably have never tried to entertain a child under 24 months on a plane, have you? It's not the easiest thing in the world to do. This child seems to have been in good spirits and if my child was happy and the other passengers were not complaining (which it seems from the newscasts and reports they were not) I wouldn't worry about him being happy because if a child isn't happy, then everyone suffers! It's not like she was changing his diaper on the tray table (I have heard and seen people do this) and it's also not like the kid was screaming his head off...he was all excited about being on an airplane. If he was screaming, the flight attendant wouldn't have been so b!tchy. She would have offered to "help" by getting juice or milk...instead her only option to help was to drug the child to stop him from his happiness. When I get on a plane I know there is likely a toddler or baby on board with me so my expectations of it being a pleasant flight are not demanding.
If the child was out waiting to board the plane in the terminal, the mother would NOT have gone up to the ground crew and said you know what...I think my child is too excited and happy about boarding this flight so let me rebook for when he's cranky and screaming cause I know people would rather hear a screaming child than a happy child...
People like you need to get over yourself and upgrade to business or first class...either that or invest in a good set of earplugs! If this seems to happen to YOU all the time...then change your situation...you could always drive or get your own private jet...

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While its true I have never flown with any of my children, and I have only flown 1 time with 3 lay overs, I do think its COMPLETELY UNREASONABLE to expect every single toddler to be perfectly quiet during a flight. This was a case of a little 19 month old baby saying Bye Bye plane. I don't see any harm in this personally, I too think he was just excited over seeing a plane go Bye Bye. And while its true we haven't heard any comments about just how this went down, there also wasn't any reports of a Unruly 19 month old screaming, climbing, kicking, jumping, crying or running around during her speech. I'm not getting the impression this little boy was doing any more than what the adults are doing which I'm sure they do during, after and before a speech which is talking.

Maybe I'm not a seasonal flier per sa, But to expect everyone to be totally quiet during a flight is unreasonable for the adult and child (ren) alike.

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Yes, I do. I'm just not a fan of people who indulge their children at others expense.

Well, I suppose some of us are better at it than others but I find it quite easy. Perhaps you should run an Internet search if you can't manage to entertain your children. I'm sure that you'll find a wealth of ideas.

I do fly first class and it helps but doesn't alleviate the problem entirely. There'll always be people in this world who think that little snookums pleasure outweighs the comfort of others. Bad parenting isn't confined to coach, though it is more prevalent.

I'm a frequent flyer and there are many people who agree with you that allowing their children to express themselves is more important than consideration to others. A toddler doesn't have to say "Bye, plane", "Bye, plane", "Bye, plane", "Bye, plane", "Bye, plane", "Bye, plane", "Bye, plane", "Bye, plane", "Bye, plane", "Bye, plane", "Bye, plane", "Bye, plane", "Bye, plane", "Bye, plane", "Bye, plane", during the safety instructions to be happy. He can say it twice and play with a toy instead.

This isn't about the baby. He doesn't know that it's rude to jabber while the flight attendant is relaying the instructions. He was having fun and doesn't understand that everyone doesn't find repetition of the same phrase as cute as Mommy does. It's about a selfish parent that made no attempt to distract him during the flight attendants speech. I think there's more to this story than Kate Penland is telling but even if there isn't, I hope her trip home was miserable. It would have been much easier for all concerned if she had simply displayed some common sense and courtesy. If she had, there wouldn't have been a problem.

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TEn bucks says there's a LOT more to this story. I can't wait to see if the other passengers speak up. A flight attendant alone can't get a plane turned around anyway, can she? I thought the pilot had to make that decision.

I am sure there is more to the story. A couple of weeks ago, there was a mother claiming that security had taken away her son's sippy cup and they had harassed her and detained her so she missed her flight.
They showed the video of security asking her to empty the cup. She walked away from the person and dumped it on the floor (so other people could fall). Only then did they detain her.

I have my doubts about this story. I think there is more too it. But if the story is true......The flight attendant was wrong. Giving a child benadryl is child abuse when it is not needed. her suggesting that is uncalled for.

The baby was only talking did you see what I said. The baby! People are allowed to talk why not a baby? Anyone that has total control over their 19 month old mouth is a much better mother than me. I have flown many times and the babies are not the ones that drive me nuts it typically the business person that thinks they know it all. They are pushing and rude.

I have been on a flight from Vegas to Ohio and there was a baby that cried. That's life. Should we kick all the crying and talking babies off the plane so people can have an enjoyable flight? I have never known a flight to be enjoyable you cramp too many people into a tin can and seat belt them in for hours. Nothing about that sounds enjoyable. Fact of life here people a baby is going to talk and cry.

I read a story somewhere with quotes from other passengers that sided with the mom. One heard her saying something like - "I just don' understand what you expect me to do, the baby has been stuck in the terminal all day and will be asleep in a matter of minutes after take-off'

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Maybe theres more to the story.

If there isn't, Im sure the mom will get something out of this (read: lawsuit)

She should. She wasn't wrong. I can understand being with a loud child (under 2) on a plane.

Ugh.

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Well if this story is true as described then I feel for the lady. I don't think she was being RUDE by letting her child say bye to the plane, she was trying to keep her child happy so there wasn't any further problems.

I can't imagine someone getting annoyed with a baby!! What kind of person is that? How heartless could she be? The mother was probably doing what she thought was ok, to let her baby speak and keep happy. It's still even worse that the child fell asleep and they still made her get off the plane.

I also have a feeling there is more to the story. Regardless, I personally think the fact that the mother has already contacted a lawyer tells me that she is looking for much more than just an apology. I guess I have a hard time understanding why people find it so necessary to get lawyers involved so quickly. The last time I flew there was a small child who made most of the flight very difficult on other passengers. He was very loud and the mother did nothing to even try to occupy his time. This child must have been at least three and the parents should have had better control of him. Nothing was done in this matter, and I honestly felt that something should have been done. I have flown when my children were small, and did everything within my power to make sure that the children behaved and did not disturb other passengers.

After an 11 hour delay at the airport the flight attendant makes them get off the plane because the baby is talking. Talking not screaming. It couldn't be for that long if they were just taxiing on the runway. She could not even get anything out for him to play with yet because everything has to be put away before take off. She even told her he would probably go to sleep soon after take off. Another passenger said she heard the whole conversation with the flight attendant and the mom never threatened her, but I guess that must have been the only way to get the pilot to turn around. If they find that it happened the way the mom says I hope the flight attendant is fired.

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That said here's my opinion:

I would much rather hear "bye, bye plane" over and over again then 1) a screaming toddler/baby 2) or having my seat kicked by a toddler/child.

I recently flew and it wasn't the CHILDREN who were jabbering non-stop during the pre-flight instructions; it was the adults. To the point that I actually had to ask the ladies behind me to please be quite because my child could not hear what the flight attendant was saying and it was my child's first flight so was very interested in the whole experience.

If the flight attendant had handled her irritations and frustrations more professionally then this would not have happened either! And there is an expectation of professionalism to be displayed by the flight attendant! She was wrong, plain and simple.

I HONEST to GOD cannot imagine wishing a miserable trip on a mother traveling alone w/ her young toddler. You, cougarskies, are an insensitive, mean spirited person. Even I with all my faults and attitude would not wish misery on anyone!

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However, let's remember, it's ultimately up to the pilot to handle the situation or turn the plane around. I've heard the stories up close and personal from a family member pilot. You'd howl with laughter if you heard all they have to contend with.

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That said here's my opinion:

I would much rather hear "bye, bye plane" over and over again then 1) a screaming toddler/baby 2) or having my seat kicked by a toddler/child.

I recently flew and it wasn't the CHILDREN who were jabbering non-stop during the pre-flight instructions; it was the adults. To the point that I actually had to ask the ladies behind me to please be quite because my child could not hear what the flight attendant was saying and it was my child's first flight so was very interested in the whole experience.

If the flight attendant had handled her irritations and frustrations more professionally then this would not have happened either! And there is an expectation of professionalism to be displayed by the flight attendant! She was wrong, plain and simple.

I HONEST to GOD cannot imagine wishing a miserable trip on a mother traveling alone w/ her young toddler. You, cougarskies, are an insensitive, mean spirited person. Even I with all my faults and attitude would not wish misery on anyone!



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Now that they don't have smoking sections on planes, I wish they'd have kid sections. That way, all the folks with kids could sit together and all of those without kids could sit together. Those without kids, but have a lot of tolerance for them could sit in the "buffer" zone. I think it would help solve a lot of problems.

My best flight experience with my 4 kids when they were younger--D/h and I boarded our flight to Orlando. Our youngest was 3 months old. When we sat in our seats, a couple behind us got the flight attendant and asked that their seats be changed because "nobody wants to be stuck behind four kids". She moved them further back in the plane and off we went.

My kids sat quietly throughout the flight, reading their books and coloring. The baby slept.

There was, however, one very vocal baby on the flight. He/she cried from the minute we took off till we landed. The baby and his/her mother were seated right across the aisle from the couple that had requested new seats. Gee, bummer.

This story is ridiculous as it stands. Sounds like the flight attendant was having a bad day and lost her mind.

Makes me wonder if the attendant thinks all mothers travel with baby Benedryl?????

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You know I didn't post this thread to start any fights NOR to have attacks placed on anyone here, I posted it because I"PERSONALLY ME" Don't understand the actions of this lady. I don't know one single Mother that has TOTAL control over what a 19 month old baby does. I have 7 kids and I know I never had total controls over them ALL THE TIME. I think asking ANY Mother to drug their baby is over the top and I don't agree with her doing that, who is she to ask such a thing of anyone ??? It's the same-thing if someone came up to anyone here and said, Excuse me, but your child is really getting on my nerves and will you PLEASE DRUG Him so I can shop, eat, etc etc.... Doesn't make any difference where it took place or by whom was requesting you to do this.Anytime there's children in the surrounding's it should be EXPECTED that they will at some point do something that gets on someones nerve....

I don't understand things at points like Ok..
So if you encounter a child that gave you grief or upset you in the PAST now every single child pays for that from that point on ? WHT ?? It's like saying Ok this person ( white, black, purple or spotted ) robbed your home now everyone of that same color will pay for what they did to you.... THATS CRAZY !!..

We are not talking about a child that knows the meaning of shut up ( BTW, If someone was to tell me to Shut my child up using those words, they would have a VERY GOOD REASON to call the police on me)..

Why is it that every child that acts out or 'Upsets" someone the automatically say the Mother or Father or Parents are "Bad" for allowing it ??? There's no perfect child NOR any perfect parents in this world .

Now we don't know if this lady did OR didn't try to get the little boy to stop saying this, We also don't know that she is ( Mother ) a Mother that allows or thinks every word he says is "Cute" Maybe this Mother did the best she could. What else was she suppose to do ? Not like she could have gotten up and taken him out of the room.
I hope there is more to this than whats being told, I would HATE to think there's people out there thats dealing with all types of families would feel this way and tell a Mother to drug her baby or for that matter to tell a Mother to "SHUT UP her child.
If this is the case this lady is a VERY BITTER person and has NO business dealing with the public at all.

Children talk, Children do things that we wish they wouldn't do, But in the end we have to do the best we can when it happens and no one has ANY rights to tell another person to drug their child because its bothering them.

Totally unreal...

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Why is it that every child that acts out or 'Upsets" someone the automatically say the Mother or Father or Parents are "Bad" for allowing it ??? There's no perfect child NOR any perfect parents in this world ....[/QUOTE]


But apparently some people feel there are perfect parents and perfect children because if they didn't this wouldn't even have come up in the news! Maybe this world would be a better place if people would stop hounding about what a small child is doing and start concentrating on helping each other.

For all anyone knew about this lady she could have been a widow that just lost her husband in the war and to have someone come and do this to her and her child was just plain mean. No one knows what a person's life is.

happy2behere you are right about that.. If people would worry less about that a small is doing and offer to help s1 thats down and out this world would be a much better place..


Its a sad state of affairs when people start going off on what a small toddler does when they are just being a child and doing that everyone here and about has done at 1 point in their life which is " Bother" someone...

When I 1st saw this before reading it I was thinking Oh Boy here's another child climbing, screaming, kicking, yelling on a plane, Then to see it was a 19 MONTH OLD, I thought good grief, then when I read she had told the mother to drug her child, well that just sent it over the top with me.

You would have thought she was requesting this from a 10 year old, NOT a 19 month old, I have to wondered now if or does she request this of her own children or grandchildren ??

Completely off the wall .

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you having the opinion that the stewardess was within her rights to do what she did is one thing...you are entitled to that opinion.

My comment was directly related to you wishing a miserable trip on a person. NO ONE, not even YOU deserves to be miserable.
And to wish misery on a person does show that a person is mean spirited and insensitive. I'm sorry if that offends you, but the truth is the truth.

The stewardess handled the situation very poorly. Even if the child WAS being loud and obnoxious, the stewardess had a duty to act in a more professional manner.

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what's really sad is that after the stewardess got the pilot to turn the plane around the kid fell asleep and they called the police to escort the mom off the plane. It's on pg 2 of the ABC.com report. What an A$$! I wonder how the other passengers treated her after she kicked the mom and baby off the plane? I don't think this woman has a job after everything is said and done...at least not with this airline! And...how many other parents has she done this to that haven't said anything about it?
With all the limitations we have as passengers on a plane these days, we do have the right to bring our children on the plane with us AND we do have the right NOT to drug them...in fact, I am sure the department of children and family services seriously frowns on drugging your children just to make others happy...isn't that a way to get your kids taken away from you?
I certainly hope this woman isn't a mother herself, otherwise I feel sorry for the children. Can we say mommy dearest?
CS I feel sorry for you that you truely feel that way about children. You were once a child yourself and I bet if you call your mom, she will have some stories for you! We are not all perfect and neither are our children...but we were blessed to live in the USA and have freedom and rights and if it's our desire to fly our children around the US, then we have as much right to be on a plane that you do!

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The flight attendant didn't get the pilot to do anything. The pilot had to make that decision on his own. As I see it, the pilot is as much to blame, if not more so, as the attendant. The attendant may have started this problem, however, it was ultimately up to the pilot to handle the situation.

The flight attendant told the pilot that the mom THREATENED her and therefore the pilot decided to turn the plane around. The mom said "I will not drug my child just so you have a pleasant flight" so in my opinion...from reading the news bulletins about the events...the flight attendant lied to the pilot because she was having a bad day! I want to express I did say IN MY OPINION!

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In my opinion, the mom's not telling the whole story.

yeah i wonder what really happened -

was the little kid very very loud, yelling bye at the top of his lungs and passengers couldn't hear safety announcements or anything else the employee was saying? was it disrupting the flight somehow?

when the mom said something about not having a pleasant flight did the attendant think it was a threat that the mom would cause trouble during the flight?

or was the attendant just totally overreacting to a little kid babbling and he really was doing nothing wrong?

we really don't know what happened

remember the lady who said she was horribly harassed over a sippy cup...then, tsa released the video of her..it sure looked like the mom was the one out of line, throwing a fit, chewing out the airline people and then throwing the cup or its contents onto the floor in the security area. imo she kinda looked like a fool then!

there are messed up crazy passengers and airline/airport employees both, out there in this crazy world i'm curious what really did happen, and imagine there is video of some/all of it that the airline and tsa can check out. eventually we may all see it LOL

I agree - if the baby was being loud enough that other passengers hearing announcements was compromised, that would be an issue.

I realize there is a statement out there from another passenger, but even that is something I question. Not to say that person is lying - simply that everyone has a different perspective regarding what is acceptable in terms of childhood behaviors on airplanes... as evidenced right here in this thread.

Some people will feel terribly compassionate towards a mother with a screaming child. Others, not so much. For all we know, the person in front of the baby was a cancer patient with a migraine making a trip home to see his dying parent...

Everybody's got an issue of some kind, and I don't know that the mother's exhasperation trumps all other issues.

But obviously, for some people, a mother's exhasperation is the single overriding issue that must be considered on an airplane.

And for all we know, the one making the statement on the mother's behalf may hold that perspective.

The real question is whther, according to the flight attendant's training, the child was donig something that endangered other passengers, or was going to make the flight so unbearable that it wasn't fair to others.

Houston and Oklahoma City aren't that far apart, so I can't imagine the flight would've been a long one.

It will be interesting to see what happens.

i dont think the mom is telling the whole thing either. we were out for a very nice dinner a few weeks ago. There was lots of people there with lots of children . Most was very good but there was one little girl who made up for the rest of them. She yelled "WANT PIZZA" at the top of her lungs the entire time they were there. The little girl looked like she was maybe 2 and she had a plate in front of her that had a pizza ( that they had brought in with them from somewhere else ) and she kept screaming WANT PIZZA over and over . The parents did nothing to stop her and after awhile, I could see while some parents abuse their chirldren! The dinning room was very small and this little girls voice echoed off the walls! There was no way we could move as there was 36 people in our group and there wasnt room for us anywhere else.. The waitress kept telling us she was sorry we had to listen to this child but there was nothing she could do about it. The manager even gave us a discount for putting up with her.! I think there should be areas just for unruly children and when it gets so bad, the group they are with is moved. The group I was with was trying to celebrate a ladies 94 birthday but we couldnt hear anything anyone was saying because of this one child and she wasnt with our group.I would have taken her out if it was my child but her parents did nothing to try and stop her.

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sometimes kids act out on what the parents are thinking. Sometimes it could mean bye bye airplane which could have been diaster . thinking about the world today, I would have thought the worst and maybe a bomb on board or something like that.

In opinion, stories like this "usually" have THREE sides, mom's side, flight attendants side, and the truth.

We've heard mom & flight attendant.............and somewhere in this mess is the truth ~ which we may or may not ever hear about.

~ IN MY HONEST opinion, I think BOTH parents and flight attendant acted wrong. ~


**Just for sake of the topic, NOT saying it is right or wrong....BUT I was once advised by a registered nurse to give my child benadryl to 'sedate' him for a 3 hour road trip to the hospital for a pre-planned surgery. I was shocked when she said it and she was serious! Of course, I asked if she was out of her mind, because benadryl has the opposite effect on my son, it makes him hyper! I also hear lots of moms 'joke' about giving children Benadryl and the like......Guess there's not much of a shock factor regarding the comment for me.

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Well said daltonmama! And you're right, we may never hear the truth. On a side note, right or wrong, I have given my kids Benadryl at the beginning of a 10 hour plane ride. It worked wonders.

Are you suggesting the kid was saying 'bye bye airplane' because the mom was thinking about blowing the plane up?

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As an attendant reviewed the flight safety instructions, Garren began to bid Houston adieu.

"There was a plane next to us, and I pointed it out to Garren, and he started saying 'Bye, bye plane,' over and over," Penland said.

Distracted and upset by the boy's words, the flight attendant went over to Penland after completing her safety demonstration.

"She leaned over the gentleman who was sitting next to me, and she said, 'OK, it's not funny anymore. You need to shut your baby up," Penland said.

Penland said she told the flight attendant that she expected her child to fall asleep momentarily.

"'It doesn't matter. Regardless, I don't want to hear it,'" Penland said the flight attendant told her.

"'It's called Baby Benadryl,'" Penland said the attendant told her, suggesting she give her child allergy medication to help him fall asleep fast.

"I said, 'Well, I'm not going to drug my child so you have a pleasant flight,'" Penland said.

The discussion continued and very quickly what started as an unpleasant flight for Penland and Garren became no flight at all.

I think the answer lies in what was said when that discussion continued. The flight attendant claims that she was threatened and Kate Penland says she wasn't. I don't know what was said in the part that was glossed over but I do know that it's a BIG deal to taxi the plane back. The meter is ticking at an astounding rate and there went a lot of money in wasted fuel.

Remember, Kate Penland is the one telling this story. The pilot and flight attendant aren't giving interviews to anybody that will listen. At the least, it was very rude of the mother to allow her child to repeat a phrase over and over during the safety presentation and at worst, she threatened the flight attendant. Either way, it was stupid behavior while on an aircraft.

When you're in an airplane, the pilot is in charge. He's sky king and he chose to remove her from that plane. No captain is going to waste time and very expensive fuel removing a passenger without learning the details of the incident. That means that the flight attendant had to tell him what was said verbatim and he believed her.

Could the flight attendant have lied about what was said? Sure, but it's unlikely. It's not like the passenger is removed and that's the end of that. A flight attendant would know what's in store for her if she has a passenger removed. The meetings, the reviews, the negative publicity, it's a lot to deal with for the simple pleasure of inconveniencing someone who irritated her. It's hard to believe that she was willing to lie and put herself and her employer to that much trouble. She would also know that the odds are overwhelming that a lawsuit would be filed and that means even more trouble.

I don't understand why so many people assume that the mother must be telling the unvarnished truth. She certainly has the motivation to lie now. It took her about five minutes to file that lawsuit! I think there's more to the incident than the mother has told.

I think I would have gotten off the plane with the mom and her baby thinking "it must be a sign".

I don't know whether the mom is telling the "unvarnished" truth or not.
I do believe that the flight attendant could have handled the situation better. The flight attendant is the professional in this situation and as such has a duty to act in a more professional manner.

OK...that is just paranoid beyond all comprehension. Toddler's w/ ESP.

And EVEN IF the flight attendant was a paranoid schizophrenic who DID think that the baby was actingon the the parents thoughts , the situation could have and should have been handled a bit better.

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We don't know that she didn't. You have to believe the mother is telling the whole truth to believe the attendance was acting badly and I don't.


True. For one thing, the mother could have made at least an attempt to shut the baby up. I have a seriously hard time believing the pilot turned the flight around because the baby was babbling "bye bye plane."

So, the flight attendant told the pilot "We got some kid in there babbling "bye bye plane" and his mom won't shut him up?" Or did the flight attendant exaggerate the situation and make it sound as if the mother was off her nut and was a threat? I certainly don't know!

BTW, I saw HP 5 this weekend and though of you everytime 'Snape' was on screen. He was SERIOUSLY underutilized in this movie! As was Maggie Smith...

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It's not necessarily a choice between those two options. There likely was a third scenario we don't know about.

As was stated above, the only side of the story we've read is that of the mother. The news story put things in quotes that were stated by the mother... and it gave the impression that they were quoting the conversation, verbatim. The truth is, the mother was paraphrasing her rendition of the situation to the reporters.

For all we know, the baby was truly screaming mad at the top of his lungs. Maybe he didn't want the plane to go bye-bye and went ballistic.

And the flight attendant couldn't do her job, which is to speak in a way that allows everyone on board to hear the safety speech.

Yes, we've all heard it plenty, but it doesn't change the fact that it is her responsibility to make sure anyone WANTING to hear it CAN.

If the mother was happily enjoying little mister's increasingly loud, "BYE-BYE, PLANE!"... if her laughing at him egged him on... if she didn't see problem one with what he was doing, and the flight attendant approached her and said, "Ma'am, I'm sorry, but I'm going to need to request that you do whatever you need to to help him quiet down for the duration of the flight."

And the mom says, "You got kids, lady? Ain't gonna happen. Kids are just loud. There's nothin' anybody can do so you're going to have to deal with it."

And the F.A. says, "Ma'am, I'm sorry, but I do need to inform you that it is our policy that children, as well as our adult passengers, must be restrained and unobtrusive in order that any safety announcements that come over the PA can be heard immediately. I am afraid that at his current noise level, our plane is in violation of this policy, making us subject to severe sanctioning if other passengers lodge complaints with the FAA. I really do need you to do your best to ensure that he travels as quietly as possible. I know it's had, but we simply must comply."

And the mom says, "You think you could pull that off? Got any suggestions as to how to get him to shut up?"

And the FA says with a chuckle, "Well, lots of people say Baby Benadryl works wonders..."

And the mom flew off the handle.

It's possible.

Or the mom is lying through her teeth . . . always a possibility. The point is that we just don't know what happened. What we do know is that pilots don't turn planes around on whims. Knowing that, I'm inclined to think mom is lying or, at the very least, minimizing what she herself did.