This story has been making the rounds lately. Young girl, who happens to work at Hooters , was told by Southwest Airlines flight attendant that her outfit was too revealing and supposedly told she couldn't fly. She covered up and did take the flight. Do you think the airline is right or wrong?

Thrown off plane for too-skimpy outfit - TODAY: People - MSNBC.com

I think it's humorous that it's Southwest Airlines...their flight attendants used to wear hotpants and go-go boots in the 80s.

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I don't have the sound but looked at her outfit. I would be humilated if I was that gal. Her outfit was fine. Hopefully they will fire that employee or put her behind a desk where she doesn't have any authority!

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She looks all covered up on all the news shows but she did not look like that when she tried bording the plane.

Hmmm...I thought when she got up on the Today show they were showing her outfit. I am curious too. I will have to see if I can find the actual picture of her outfit.

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I think the outfit looks cute. Also even if the shirt was hiked up a little more and the top a little different I think it would still be appropriate. I have seen many celebrities getting off the plane with have their rear end exposed for the camera. The outfit would of had to be dramatically different for me to say it was inappropriate for a flight. Especially since every time I have flown I have never received a dress code with my reservations.

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No she should not have been asked to leave the plane ***but when watching the video and she sat down I could see her panties****

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I haven't watched the video. From the looks of the picture, the skirt appears to be pulled down to make it look longer. Look where the button of the skirt is.

Now I've watched the video. Nothing was said when she was boarding, she was already in her seat. I can understand something being said about the outfit while looking down upon it and in the sitting position. The skirt hitched up to look like there probably wasn't a skirt there and looking down there would be a lot of cleavage showing.

I'm all for modesty.

Since when do airlines have a dress code?
I guess there will be a lot of teenage and 20 somethings not flying anymore, seeing as a lot wear these type of outfits (which I think are ok for most females). Until I saw the picture I thought maybe she was wearing something similar to her Hooters outfit.
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Here's a photo and no I don't think it is too revealing. Not any worse than a guy with his underwear hanging out.



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...ipmyoutfit.jpg

Feel free to edit if it's too big, sorry Addison.



And we don't know if you actaully saw her underwear, I noticed it too, they could have been those cheerleading panties?

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What difference does it make if they were cheerleading panties? There's absolutely no excuse for a young lady to be showing her underwear.
Seems like every where I look nowadays, all I see on women and teens are boobs and more boobs.
I still say that if you were looking down upon her seated in that outfit there was too much skin showing.

The outfit does not look that revealing to me. If the skirt was to short and revealed anything while she was seated. the stewardess could have handled it without creating a scene. She could have whispered something to the woman, and handed her a blanket. No one would have been the wiser, they would have thought that the passenger was cold.

Exactly, maybe she had the panties on and it wasn't showing her underwear. That's what those are for.

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Oh, and I forgot to add at least the girl had on underwear...unlike Brit, Paris, Lindsey and the rest of them, lol

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Everyone keeps saying "stewardess". I thought in the video the "stewardess" was named Keith.

I saw her when she did the Today interview. I think she looks perfectly fine. Personally, I find the outfit to be quite cute. If I had her body I would wear the same thing. (Maybe I should be a bit younger too.)

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And who care where she works? Would it have made it any difference had she been a Pediatric RN?

Secondly, while the outfit was not something I would wear--not even if I had her body--I think it looked fine on her (even if the skirt was hiked up an inch or so, and the top a little lower). HOW dare the flight attendant single her out because 'someone' (be it the attendant or another passenger) felt she was dressed immodestly.

We flew in April--into Dallas and Minnie/St. Paul--I saw lots of saggy/baggy pants revealing the top 6 inches of underwear or worse butt cracks, but no one pulled those individuals out of their seats and embarrassed them! I truly believe that society's priorities are so very skewed and sometimes twisted!

I mean how many people have watched the video of Brittney on the VMA for "entertainment" sake--when it's obvious that young woman is very troubled and very sick. Yet no one steps up to help her--but Lord God above let some 20 something girl get on a plane in a semi revealing outfit and WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING.

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I dont have a problem with how she looked if she was sitting "lady like" if she was sitting with her legs apart, then it could have been a problem. I would never wear what she had on but then again, i am not her . I just wonder if the way it looked in the pic was how it was when she got on the plane. if she had pulled it down to look longer or such. i really think it was a bit much to go through all the crap they did cause of it. cover her up in a blanket or something if they thought it was that bad.

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I don"t care if she had on a thong and a bra as long as the plane left and arrived on time! But seriously are they going to tell large breasted women they can't fly unless they are wearing a bra? How about large ladies wearing spandex? Tight jeans on men to the point you can tell if they are circumsized Bra straps showing you're off the flight. Get real. It may not be what I would wear but my tshirt and jeans may be offensive to her too.

top is fine, but you can see the thong line way above where her skirt starts, the button to close the skirt is basically on her pubic bone not even near a waist line, she yanks down the bottom of the shirt to make it look like the skirt is longer. no it's not right, males have their pants falling off and females have everything out in the open I have four sons I dont let my boys show their butts dont let you girls show them everything they got either heheh

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ok if it was my dd i would tell her the skirt was too short lol but that is no reason to be banned from a flight. i think the airline went too far, saying the 'whole outfit' was too revealing. i don't agree with that.

now IF she was 'flashing' everyone (when she was on the show w/matt lauer...they blurred out her lap area when she sat down, so...um, maybe she was doing this on the plane too and didn't realize it) then i think it's fine for an attendant to tell her politely to cover up please, your genitals are showing!!! and if a man was exposing his genitals on a plane, they should tell him to cover up too.

otherwise, no, they went too far

Funny part is, the video wasn't blurred at first. It was plain to be seen yesterday when I looked at the video.

Did they go to far? I don't know.

I do know that I think her outfit was indecent. She was showing her wares and it was obvious she was dressed to attract sexual attention, and not just for a comfortable flight.

Call me a prude, but I rather miss the days when women left something to the imagination, and when private parts were kept private. I just don't get the need to expose as many square inches of flesh as humanly possible. I didn't think her outfit was "cute." I thought it was provocative. There's a place for provocative... but I'd rather people saved it for when they weren't going to provoke an entire airport. It just doesn't seem the most mature decision on her part.

Her place of employment is widely reported in the news coverage of this story. I'm not sure who specifically cares about that piece of information. However, I can surmise that its relevancy is that it is an indicator of a level of attire that she likely finds acceptable and/or comfortable to wear in public.

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Exactly, it shows that she is comfortable in that sort of clothing and she probably has worn that outfit tons of times and no one has ever said anything about it.

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Why didn't they just give her a stinkin blanket, and ask her to cover up! Don't they give you a blanket if you request one?

Heck, if my stomach & boobs looked like that, I would be wearing that same outfit. LOL!! ;O)

I think girls have to watch what they wear. I dont think they are as conscience about what is showing as girls use to be in my generation. My dd is 19 and she shows more skin then I would of ever thought of doing at that age. She is adorable but sometimes I do have to tell her that she needs a sweater or a cami underneath.
I have seen many of her friends come over with those mini skirts. And I can tell you 99% of the time within 10 minutes of being in the same room with them I can tell you what color of panties they have on. while they may sit with legs crossed they will uncross and cross the other way or move around and you can see. I can understand possibly a passenger on the plane complaining if they had children who were looking and seen. If she actually had panties on in the first place. It seems the complaint did not come until she was on plane so maybe someone saw something when she was moving around to get seated.
Without actually being in the plane I can not say for sure if the way she was sitting or moving etc.. was in approriate. I think the passenger that complained or the flight attendent who saw it would have to be interviewed to hear thier side.

I wasn't on the flight, so I don't know how she looked on that flight. While she's standing up on the pictures we currently have available, it doesn't look so bad. But, other passengers have the right to feel comfortable on the flights, as well, and too much exposure could make people feel uncomfortable. I don't want to get flamed. I'm just trying to present an alternate view. I'm having trouble understanding why the flight attendant would ask her to leave based on the way she looks in the picture we currently have. They would have to know it could cause quite a controversy so I'm hoping they would have a pretty compelling reason, although I could be totally wrong and they might have just gotten up on the wrong side of the bed.

What if the skirt was hiked up so far that her arse was exposed and her shirt was tied up in a knot under her hooters and they were a little too revealing. Is that acceptable? Where do we draw the line between accteptable and indecent exposure? Call me a prude but I don't want to see arse, hooters or twig and berries hanging out of anyones clothes.

What I keep thinking is that in all the videos I've seen of her in the outfit, they have her stand... and she stands there and adjusts the outfit, pulling the skirt down a bit. I have a feeling she probably wasn't bothering to adjust it when she wasn't on national tv under the "Modesty Microscope" if the norm for her is a Hooters waitress outfit.

I do agree that it's disgusting to see the top 10" of any guy's boxers.

My internal response to each of those incidents would be different, but I'd like the result to be the same. For her, I'd say she wants to be noticed for the sexual parts of her body, and is being overtly sexually provocative by daring to show her panties. For him... I'd say he's trying to look like a slacker. There is nothing sexually provocative about a guy whose pants are falling off. Quite the opposite, in fact - it's a really gross turn-off, IMHO!

For both... I think when one is in public, underthings should be worn *under* their things.

LOL, love the twig and berries one.

Weighing in a bit late on this one, but, here goes. I saw her a few weeks ago on Ellen, wearing said outfit. quite revealing, and she had quite the time of it sitting on Ellen's couch. She clearly has breast implants. Hmmmm, a job at Hooters, too. This implies to me that she goes for all of the attention, good, bad, or indifferent. I am SURE she is LOVING all this exposure, too. Wouldn't be surprised to see her in a commercial of some sort, or even in a nudie magazine. This, IMO, is EXACTLY the attention she wanted.

Now, having said that, do I think she should have been kicked off the plane??? Hmmmm, not sure about that. I will tell you this, if she were trying to get things out of the overhead compartment near me, I'd have had a thing or two to say to her, as I would imagine as she raised her arms to get into the bin, her tube top masquerading as a skirt would have risen as well, perhaps exposing her panties, thong, whatever.

What happened to getting dressed up to fly??? I remember flying to London in a skirt suit. Where has the fun of it gone???

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She is going to be on Dr. Phil tomorrow, and from the clip I saw, he pretty much tells her to get real and get over it.

The CEO of Southwest Airlines apologized to her and she has had her 15 minutes of fame.

Wherever public modesty went. It used to be that people dressed to fly. With the discount tickets and special fares, any riffraff can afford to fly and they behave as badly in the air as they do on land.

I don't think Kyla Ebbert's outfit is cute. I think it's indecent and that Southwest was well within their rights to refuse service to her unless she covered up. I can't imagine wearing that getup out in public and I don't think anybody should have apologized to the tramp. I think it's a pretty sad state of affairs that a business can't conduct itself in a decent manner without some skank showing up to cause trouble. Not surprising, though. What else can you expect with a mother like that? Most women would be horrified to see their daughter dressed like a harlot and to learn that an airline wanted them to cover themselves in front of the other passengers. Her mother just thought to herself, “Oh, no. They (Southwest) don’t do this and get away with it.”!

The Ebberts have engaged an attorney, Martin Reed, to help them decide what to do next. "Initially, I just wanted an apology,” Kyla told Lauer."

Uh huh. The sad thing is that she'll probably get something. I think a free plane ticket or squeezing a few bucks out of the airline was her intention all along. She looks awful now and I'm sure that she looked much, much worse when she was told to cover up. It wouldn't surprise me if she didn't deliberately set up this situation. She's lucky that I'm not in charge of Southwest. She would never see a dime.

Personally, I wouldn't want this kind of publicity but Air Tramp certainly seems to be reveling in it.

I just heard a SW commercial on the radio and they invite Kyla back on board and are featuring a "short skirt and hot pants" sale for tickets.

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Ok, so far you've called a tramp, skank and a harlot. I'm betting that you probably think someone who chooses to dress in a manner less modest than you is asking to be raped....

My point has been and always will be--an airline or any business, while free to run their business as they see fit, does not have the right to discriminate against their customers. She was discriminated against because someone was offended. Every day I see people dressed in a manner that I find offensive--be it too short, too tight (spandex is a privilege, not a right...) to mismatched, etc. but that does not give me the right to demand they change. That does not give me the right to demand that a business not provide servicd to those people who offend. The situation was handled badly--a male attendant should not have been the one to approach her and basically threaten her. Secondly--it would have been a real simple matter for an attendant to walk to the girl's seat bend over and explain "there are passengers who have complained that they can see your underwear because your skirt is too short. Would you please cover your lap w/ this blanket?" No one is embarrassed, no one is really singled out and no one gets upset.

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My point has been and always will be--an airline or any business, while free to run their business as they see fit, does not have the right to discriminate against their customers. She was discriminated against because someone was offended.


The situation was handled badly--a male attendant should not have been the one to approach her and basically threaten her. Secondly--it would have been a real simple matter for an attendant to walk to the girl's seat bend over and explain "there are passengers who have complained that they can see your underwear because your skirt is too short. Would you please cover your lap w/ this blanket?" No one is embarrassed, no one is really singled out and no one gets upset.[/QUOTE]


I agree, the situation was handled badly.

I'm not sure if I'm understanding your point of discrimination, tho. EX: If you are in a theme park, let's just say Disney since it's so well known, and someone is sporting a shirt with profanity on it, or profane gestures. Do you think the park has the right to ask them to change their attire???

On a side note, I think it's pretty sad when people can't even use their own decent judgement in dressing themselves.

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I agree on people not using their own decent judgment.
Maybe discriminated is not necessarily the correct word--I guess what I'm saying is: Would the attendant approached Joe Bob the "big-boned" guy who's beer belly was hanging over the top of his jeans and his butt crack showing in the back? Or how about the pleasingly plump lady who's outfit is so tight that you can see ALL her crooks, cranies and crevices (you know what I mean)? I find those just as bad a some girl showing her ta-tas and her panties.

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I agree....would they have done the same to a man or a differently exposed woman. Very poor way of handling on Southwest's part.

I watched her on Dr. Phil, and thought we'd heard the end of it when she should "All I want is an apology". Well, after she got the apology (and 2 RT tix on SouthWest) Dr. Phil basically said "so, no law suit???" and neither she nor her lawyer would commit to no law suit. Kind of reminds me of the phrase "we know you're a hooker, now what's your price??" or something like that. She really does need to just let it go.......

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OMG...Just watched Dr Phil with Kylie on it and SW apoligized to her AND gave her 2 rountrip tickets to anywhere in thwe world that she wants to fly and she is still going to sue! I wish she would get over it!

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I didn't understand her to say they were still going to sue, I understood it as still undecided. She returned the tickets from Southwest. There was a representative from Virgin Airlines that presented her with 2 tickets also.

I took it that she was still going to sue, she and her attorney "said" they did not want anyone else to be treated the way she was treated....I'm sure she will sue.

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Please explain exactly how they can run their business 'as they see fit' if you believe they should have no choice whatsoever to whom they extend service.

Sigh. You don't have a 'right' to use someone's else's service on your terms. You can't expect to act, do, say, or wear anything you want, anywhere you want to wear it and be immune to objections. Under your 'discrimination' theory, she should be also be allowed to go to the opera dressed like that because the other patrons would certainly be offended and not letting someone dress as they please is discrimination. No one who dressed up, paid a fortune for box seats, and wore their best jewelry for a big night out has the right to be offended or say anything to hurt the skanks feelings, huh? Well, don't worry about the rights of everyone else, let's just cater to the tramps of the world and let them ruin every event for everyone else.

This women wasn't discriminated against. She was asked to cover herself up in order to be allowed to use a business service. Thirty years ago, she would have been arrested for indecent exposure. In this miniskirted, no panties, Britney Spears era, she was told her outfit wasn't acceptable and to cover her private parts. She'll get free plane tickets, talk show/magazine fees or perks, and (no doubt) a settlement from Southwest , all for dressing like a tramp and making a big deal out of a situation that she created, probably deliberately.

So all the other skanks just like her can cheer at her victory. Personally, I don't care whether she takes Southwest to the cleaners. They lost my sympathy the second they folded and offered to reward her behavior with two free round trip tickets. And Virgin is even worse, jumping on the bandwagon to try and route the skank business their way. I hope it works, though so all the women like her can fly together and not offend anyone.

Regardless of whether or not she decides to sue..............

She paid for a flight, and if there were no dress codes for the flights then they should not have been able to ask her to leave the plane or change....You can't just make up new rules on the fly and expect people conform to them.

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I don't agree with this. Even the representative from Virgin Airlines said "they" would discreetly pull someone aside if their attire was offensive or something to that sort. Virgin Airlines has no dress code. I don't think that just because there is no "dress code", a business doesn't have the right to exercise good judgement in deciding if someone is dressed in a way that may be offensive to others. l think the crux of this debate is the way the situation was handled.....Kyla (??) was allegedly humiliated in front of other customers on the flight.

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Bless your heart- I'm immensely flattered that you seem to recall something that I posted, oh 3 or so years ago! Wow! Of course, if you could pull that post up with a search and re-post so the rest of us could see what I really said--that would be awesome. You have a nice day now, you hear?

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I can see where the airlines might suggest to someone discreetly that their attire might not be acceptable for the flight, but what I don't understand is how they can actually tell someone that if they don't change they cannot fly.....You pay for a service and as long as there are no stipulations on attire then you should receive that service

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I looked all over the SouthWest Airlines sight, and didn't see one thing about attire, or even "if your attire is offensive, you may be asked to deplane the aircraft", kind of like the signs you would see at Disney. It "might" be on the back of the ticket??? I don't know, but, I see your point here.

this was on there, tho:

Passenger transportation by Southwest Airlines Co. (hereafter "Carrier") is subject to the following
terms and conditions, in addition to any terms and conditions printed on or in any ticket or
Ticketless Travel authorization, specified on Carrier’s Internet site with respect to electronic
ticketing, or published in Carrier’s schedules. By purchasing a ticket or accepting transportation,
the passenger agrees to be bound thereby.


So, like I said, there "might" be something on the back of the ticket??? I've never flown SouthWest, myself.

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While I definitely think a lawsuit would be frivolous and a waste of court resources, I find this whole situation very unsettling. Southwest Airlines is notorious for discriminating against over weight people and refusing to let them fly unless they buy two tickets. While I know there is a reason for this, there is no consistency to the inforcement and they have no written standard; it is left up to the discretion of the flight attendant. I have read stories of customers that have had two are three connector flights with no problems, only to be told on the last leg of the trip that they can't fly because they need to buy another seat and there are no more seats available. Of course you don't see nearly as much coverage on the passenger that was humiliated because of their size as you do the pretty, young blond giving a free show for all to see. I would love to know how they handle a 6'5" passenger in coach, because there is no way they don't spill over into other people's space.

I think what it comes down to is Southwest needs to have a written policy regarding their requirements so that passengers know what they are getting into before they show up.

I read (or was it on Dr. Phil yesterday?) that actually ALL airlines have this policy regarding over-sized individuals. It's just that someone challenged SWA about that policy and so they got the spotlight.

I think they have to leave some things to the discretion of the flight attendant. For instance, if a flight was only half full, why MAKE someone buy a 2nd seat? But if it's full and someone else will be inconvenienced or squished because one individual is the size of two average-sized people if that person tries to squeeze into one spot, it's only fair to the neighboring passengers that he/she pay for extra space if they'll need the extra space.

Short of asking people their weight when they purchase tickets, I don't know what an airline can do about this prior to the point of entry. I'd say it just needs to be up to the passenger to self-check and see if he/she is going to fit into a single seat or not.

Also, regarding the recent over-exposure issue, perhaps if no other passengers had complained there wouldn't have been a issue for her, either. Again, a case of the workers having the discretion to determine whether it's really a problem. You can't write a rule for every possibly offensive scenario. It's just not possible. I presume that the attendants are simply given the directive that if, using their best judgment, they determine a passenger is doing something that compromises safety or comfort (physical or emotional) of other passengers to be compromised, then they should act to rectify the situation. If an individual tried to board the plane with incredible B.O., I believe flight attendants have the right and responsibility to request that that be rectified before subjecting other passengers to a couple of hours in an enclosed cabin with said person... even if there are no rules about body odor. If a passenger talks very loudly and interferes with the peace of the other passengers, an attendant has the right to ask them to pipe down. If an infant is projectile vommiting as the mom carries it up the aisle and appears to have gotten a bad batch of formula, I'd certainly want the attendant to use her best judgment and protect us all from smelling like curdled milk.

I did find this on their website.

Guidelines for Customers of Size

Customers who are unable to lower the armrests (the definitive boundary between seats) and/or who compromise any portion of adjacent seating should proactively book the number of seats needed during initial reservations. This purchase serves as a notification of an unusual seating need and allows us to process a refund of the additional seating cost after travel (provided the flight doesn’t oversell). Most importantly, it ensures that all onboard have access to safe and comfortable seating.

For more information, please refer to our Customer of size Q&A


It looks like they will refund the "2nd seat" if the plane is not sold out

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Wasn't there a case of a flight having to land because someone kept passing gas???? I'll have to google it......

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