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I would not drop the charges. The only way the boy who attacked your son has any chance in life is if he suffers the consequences for his actions and gets the help he needs. From what you have posted, that is not likely to happen if things remain status quo with his situation at home. As to how you will feel if this child does this again...It isn't a matter of if he does this again, it's a matter of when.
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I would definitely proceed with the assault charges. You may be doing this child a favor in the long run. If his mother doesn't consider this incident important enough to bother getting out of the bed, the boy's home life is clearly less than desirable. The assault charge will likely prompt the judge to order an evaluation for the boy and that could be a very good thing. He may benefit from medication and/or therapy. The next time he becomes violent (and he will), someone could be severely hurt. What if the belt buckle prong had blinded your son? You may be saving someone else's child a lifetime injury by having the authorities intervene before this boy does something terrible to someone. |
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I am very proud of you for standing up and pressing charges against this child. He evidently has no consequences for his actions at home. Chances are extremely slim that he will be put away for any length of time given his age....but more than likely will just be required to attend some anger management classes and get some counseling to help him with these issues. The parents will probably be required to attend parenting classes as well. You are doing everyone a favor by going ahead with the charges. Hitting a child with a belt buckle is a serious offense......and more than likely he will just move on to bigger and better things. Think how much worse you would feel if you see in the paper where here beats another child and kills them.....then you really will be living with guilt. By all means pursue the charges. If he attacked my child next and I discovered that you let him just get off with a slap on the wrist I would be extremely upset with you. Trust me....I work in a school and previously worked as a Guardian Ad Litem for the courts.....you are doing this child a huge favor and maybe the turning point in his life by pursuing this....even if it doesn't seem so now.
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OMG, please tell me WHY are High Schoolers on the same bus as a 7yo?? Also, why didn't the bus driver pull over and demand everyone be in their seats and quiet??? That sure happened when I was a kid and riding the bus. I would proceed with the assault charges for now. When it goes to court, I think you can go and speak. Not sure, really. But, assuming that you can, be prepared with a statement of things you would like to say. You know darn well this kid has done this sort of thing before, and will do it again. As far as him crying, etc. that's very compassionate of you to feel the way you do, but, I'm sure axe murderers and child molesters cry in jail, too. Should they be let out because of that???? This is a lesson in tough love for this boy. Hopefully he'll straighten up and fly right. I was debating putting my DD on the bus, and after all these horror stories, no way is she going on the bus.
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I'd go aheaad with charges too. I'd also question why the bus driver didnt stop to interveen, surely the kids was making a ruckus. and like the other poster, my bus driver would have stopped and actually sat there for however long til the kids settled down. this was before cameras and all that on the buses too. suprised that your bus has belts even I've not seen any that do
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but I would also consider pressing charges against the bus driver. There is no way they didn't know this was going on. The child was obviously more than wrong, but I also think the supervising adult should be held responsible. I'm so sorry you and your son are dealing with this. HUGS...
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The bus driver should have not let it go this far. There had to be some type of commotion going on. This all just doesn't make any sense. As far as highschoolers being on the same bus that is how it was when I was in school and the older kids sat in the back and the younger kids were always in the front with a few exceptions. I think some of the younger ones were seated with the more trusted high school kids because I remember having a little kid or two sitting in the back with me and I didn't mind it because they were cute little kids and they said funny things. I never let any of the older kids pick on the younger ones. If anyone was making fun of the younger ones I always stopped it. The kid should not get by with this because it sounds like he probably doesn't get very much discipline at home if the parents didn't even come to the school because they were sleeping They probably let the kid get away w/murder and are too darn lazy to do anything about what the kid does. I would press charges. Has the school suggested counseling to your son? He needs to understand that it isn't ok to be like this and he needs to see that by example. Don't drop the charges against the other kid because that will show your son no one has the right to treat him like that and he isn't ever going to treat someone else like that without paying consequences.I feel bad for your little boy. |
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[quote=allinaugust;2877390]OMG, please tell me WHY are High Schoolers on the same bus as a 7yo?? Also, why didn't the bus driver pull over and demand everyone be in their seats and quiet??? That sure happened when I was a kid and riding the bus. MY THOUGHTS EXACTLY!! I would proceed with the charges. It makes me mad just reading this..
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I'm so sorry for all this difficulty in your family. Prayers for your 7 yr old to return home soon, and your 8 yr old to recover from this trauma. I can imagine how torn you are by the thought of placing a young child in the justice system. I would be as well. Your description of this attack indicates that this boy worked very hard to access your son, and to continue attacking him. It sounds as though he was just completely enraged and out of control, and that is frightening. Thank heavens your son wasn't more seriously injured. The reaction of his mother is very revealing about his home life, but perhaps there is more to the story. I have to agree that this child needs serious consequences for his behavior (and I don't believe a 3 day suspension qualifies), but more importantly, somebody has to figure out what in the world is causing his behavior. That is not your responsibility. I am surprised the school has not instituted a Child Study on this boy already, and would wonder what his school behavior history shows. You are doing the right thing protecting your child and advocating for him. Where are the parents of all the other children on this chaotic bus?? They too ought to be up at school shaking the rafters. There is no way the bus driver could be oblivious to what was happening. It seems he/she wanted to drop the kids off and stay on schedule. The bus should have been stopped immediately, and if the driver could not restore order, the school transportation office needed to send help. The school is ultimately responsible for this lack of supervision and control. If it were me, I think I would want a meeting at school with the principal, the school counselor, a representative from the police department (there is always someone who liaisons with our schools) to find out what the options are concerning charges and interventions. They should be able to reassure you that the goal is not to separate this child from his family, but to find the help he needs and make certain that his home life is safe. Hopefully, you will feel more secure in your decision and at peace after they walk you through the steps that will be taken. Please let us know how your sons are doing. |
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As far as having HS kids on the bus goes, I've personally never known it to be any other way. I grew up in a small town where K-12 were in the same building (tho not in the same hallways) and used the same lunchroom (tho at different times) and rode the same buses. There didn't tend to be many HS kids on the bus, because by that time they were usually driving themselves to and from school. We live in a small town now - small, but larger than where I grew up, and there are three separate school facilities (an elem, an middle, and a high school, which are within 2 blocks of each other) and the buses go from one facility to the next, picking up kids along the way. Very few HS kids appear to get on any of the buses, as they have after school practices or they drive themselves home. Middle schoolers also have practices so not many ride the bus. Our bus system either takes them home if they live out in the country, or to one of three bus stops in town. OP, you are definitely doing the right thing by pressing charges. This can't be the first time the child has shown aggression and it surely won't be the last. The innocents with whom he will come in contact deserve protection more than he deserves freedom. Each of our buses has a driver and a helper, and the helper is in charge of crowd control. Perhaps that is something that could've prevented this situation. Even when there is a substitute bus driver OR helper, that does leave one adult on the bus who is familiar with both the kids and the rules, and able to intervene with full knowledge of the history between students on the bus. |
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I didn't read all the replies so im not sure if everyone feels the same as i do. I would defidently go through with the charges. What if next time this child brings a knife on the bus or a gun and shoots someone or stabs someone. Obviously this child has some issues with anger that needs to be dealt with. I would not feel guilty for going through with the charges you need to worry about your kids and not this child he is the one that attacked your child. I am sorry what your son went through that is horrible.
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Am I right by saying that the High Schoolers put him up to it? "A few of the high schoolers started pushing what looked like a K-5 er into the seat on the other side of the bus and was telling the kids to HIT HER with the belt." I would bring them into it as well. Rebecca |
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I agree w/ all the above posters. You are doing the right thing. I am sorry the school is trying to push it all under the rug. Perhaps if the school had done more, you might not have felt so compelled to press the charges. I would consider even filing action against the principal for not doing more, and also from discouraging you from watching the video. Heads need to start rolling here-this is wrong!!! Is your son going to need a bit of counseling from this as well? It sounds like a very traumatic experience, and w/ your other son in the hospital, it really might help. Make the school pay for it! This should have never happened! I would even consider getting the local news involved-not to spotlight the kid who attacked your son, but to show what a lame, pansy-a##ed reaction the school had.
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I too, would go through with the charges and make sure that the attacker gets the help he needs. His family situation needs to be looked into and special help is needed. That being said, how is your son doing? Would it help to have us send him cards and tell him that the world cares that he was hurt? Just maybe generic type cards that say we care, and keep up the good work in school -- and not really talking about the attack -- just kind of atta boy cards -- generic Hi from Wisconsin type cards. You'd have to open them first to make sure they were appropriate, but I'd be willing to send one. I'm thinking this will help to take his mind off of the bad stuff and more on positive stuff. Hugs,
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I'm also wondering why on earth the bus driver let this go on. There is no way he/she couldn't have heard/saw it happening. Being a sub is no excuse. That is just unexecptable. I would go to the school and complain about that. I remember many a times when I rode the bus, if anyone got the least bit rowdy, our driver would pull over and stop and said if we wanted to get home we better behave or she'd just sit there all night. It didn't take but a few time of that and everyone learned to behave. They let too many things slide on the buses these days. If my dd ever goes to public school, she will never ride the bus. We homeschool now and will probably continue to do so, but you never know she might change her mind. We're letting her choose what she wants to do at this point. The only reason she has ever given that she might want to go is to ride the school bus. But I told her that will never happen so that nipped her wanting to go to public school. Between the safety issue (no seat belts) and the disciple problems, I can guarantee I will never subject her to that. I know a lot of parents don't have a choice and I'm so thankful I do. I'm sorry your ds went through that. I wouldn't feel bad about pressing charges. I agree you're doing him a favor. Hopefully he and his family can get some much needed help/counseling out of this. I would also pursue the school bus driver issue as well. They shouldn't be letting this go on. Jenn |
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I cannot believe that the Bus Driver, just let this continue and continue and continue.....Sub or not, it should not matter, I would do whatever I could to make sure that they do not sub again. He allowed those kids to continue it very aggresive dangerous behaviour, and IMO he put the whole bus at risk. It does not seem like the school really did a whole lot.....suspending the child for a couple days, does not really seem to be a lot, but what I'm wondering is if the High Schoolers put him up to it, are they only suspending him because they believe he did not do it on his own? I really feel for you and your son, no child of any age, should ever have to be exposed to this kind of behaviour. The bus is supposed to be enjoyable. We have had many instances on our buses here, which is why I take my kids to and from school. Please keep us informed....
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In my school district, the principal would have called the parents and asked to meet with them and if they wanted to press charges. The situation wouldn't have been handled internally. The student would have been expelled from school for the remainder of the year and sent to alternative school. Sounds like your school district needs to get tough and handle the situation in the proper manner. |
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You should press charges against the boy that struck your child. Also, the police should view the video and see the older kids instigating basically a riot. And those older kids should be punished as well. The bus driver should not be allowed to drive the bus anymore. Although, in defense of bus drivers, they do a very difficult job with trying to watch traffic but still trying to watch what's going on in the back of the bus. All busses should have a second adult on the bus to watch the activity of the kids on the bus.
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Thank- You all for the kind words and suggestions. Everyone is right about the Bus driver, I did question the School and the School Board of transportation as to WHY the Bus driver didn't stop and get this bus back under control. they said Mrs. B thats a very good question and we'll find out .. But now let me tell you,, The Son thats in the Hospital right now had some problems on the Bus to where he threw something at the Bus Driver ( We don't know what it was still don't) Now he's also mentally challenged Plus the Meds he was taking stopped working, after a few dealings at school we had him placed int eh Hospital for an E-Val and thats where hes been for now 15 days and will remain for another 7- 14 days as the Meds they are trying are not helping him. So from this I had to view the tape on him and the day he threw something at the bus driver. OMG that bus was OUT OF CONTROL ..O-U-T-O-F-C-O-N-T-R-O-L Would be putting it nicely. When we all viewed the tape the Asst and principal both said a that time the tape was going to be forward to the transportation super to find out why that day the REG Bus driver didn't get the bus under control. The kids gathered around my son like a bunch of mad dogs, telling him throw it throw it throw it and he did. I was PROMISED then this would be taken care of and wouldn't happen again and I believed them.. But now I'm sure they cannot just sweep this under the rug as I personally called the Head over transportation and told him what happen and asked the same question about the Sub, less than 20 Min's later he was at the school picking up the tape to see what happen for himself ( Asst Told and asked me if I had called, told her sure did ) BTW, DD said it was quite as a mouse yesterday on the ride there and back. As far as the belt, this was a Pants Belt and not the Seat Belt. We still don't know why the kids took them off, I asked my son why he took his off, he really didn't know other than all the kids did it so he too did it, Of course I don't think we'll have to worry about that happening again he's been promised a spanking if he does. The little girl was sitting across from the seat to where my son and the other boy was attacked. It looked as if a 10th grader (? guessing the age and grade ) is the one that pushed her across the isle and told some kids to hit her with the belt. It goes on to show a few kids in the very back of the bus swinging their belts across the isle hitting other students too. High schooler and Elementary schooler all ride the same bus here, Its NOT something most parents like, But what can we do, we have fought this for I know the last 6 years and nothing has came of it. The tape does have Audio and Video so you can hear most of what took placed and see everything EXP the 1st 3 seats as the cam doesn't show the seat from the angle. The Boys home life I don't have a clue about, Son doesn't *really* know him only from seeing him. I don't even know if this child attends their church I'm assuming he does, But then again, DS *really* doesn't talk to people he don't know. I just know if the school called me to say my child attacked another child with a belt and I needed to come to the school, Don't care if I worked a 15 hour shift I would be there KWIM ? So I'm very upset the Mother did this and seem to NOT care about what her son had done. Also, I cant help but to think the ONLY reason they are sorry is because now they get to drive their son for the year back and forth to school KWIM?....I'm just beside myself on emotions. I guess maybe that call from my son clouded my judgment and I was so upset crying along with my 7 year that my emotions got the best of me,. everyone is right I don't want to see him locked up, but I also don't want this to be just a slap on the wrist either.I'm sure he will miss his parents and he will cry, However, My son is still very upset and he's scared to death now to ride the bus, But, I made them place him in the seat with my girls and told DD if ANYONE does or says ANYTHING to him she better break the door down telling me about it and that goes for them too. As to why I wont remove them from the bus well Now its a matter of principle. WHY should I have too ? Why should I be the one that drives and picks up them ? Isn't this like Punishing the good because of the bad ?.... If I don't MAKE the school system control a bus and its students what will happen if one day I'm not able to transport my kids to school ? Why should the bad children be afford transportation and the good kids parents made to drive them ? Oh believe me I want answerers to all this. and I'm not going to settle for anything less.. BTW, The thought of calling the News Channel did cross our minds, My DH and Mother keep telling me to call them Let the world see this attack and maybe THEN the school board will listen to WHY its not a good idea to have k- 12 and No asst on the buses. I'm still thinking about what they said and I might just do it. I just don't know so many questions so many unanswered ones. I'm totally con fussed. I'm torn between doing whats right and keeping them safe all at the same time. I hope I never have to go thu this ever again. I never want to go thu this again. My baby was beaten with a belt he was hurt and NO ONE NO ONE HELPED HIM The people that was suppose to insure his safety has failed him BIG TIME. I'm very pissed over this !! i DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THE only ADULT the ONLY one that could have taken control back did NOTHING NOTHING !!! Hubby wants me to call the station back and asked if charges could be file against the driver. Told him we'll see what the school does 1st to him.On one hand I want to BUST that school wide open and demand they tell me every single thing about what/ hows/ if/ ands. But then on the same hand I don't want to make my kids a target with the school and get them further into this ADULT battle. They don't need nor deserve to be singled out. But I might not have a choice and I hate being placed in this. Again, Thank- You all for all the Help and Thank- You so much for asking how J's doing. The card suggestion was really sweet Thank- You.. Hugs
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My son is 16 and rides the bus,Where we live the highschool and middle school start at 7:30 and elementary starts at 9:00 so the youngest on his bus would be 11. We have to sign a bus conduct form before school starts, older kids sit in back and last year they did get assigned seats due to misbehaving. I personally would tell anyone who will listen. I'd get a copy of the video, I'd contact the school board,town council,media.. I'm sure that right now there are parents that didn't even know anything happened.
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Since there have been problems on the bus before have you given any thought to letting your local news know about it, sometimes things get taken care of better and faster and when there is a spotlight on it..... Will be thinking of you and your family.....
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OMG....exactly why I will never allow my kids to ride the bus. I hated the bus as a kid for reasons such as these ![]() I hope the charges so thru and these bullies get the punishment they deserve. There is NO EXCUSE! I also hope the bus driver gets fired...sub or not. Again, NO excuse!
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I'm sorry to hear about what happened to your son! I'm saying prayers for him that he find some peace. I can't believe they have such an age range of kids on the bus. In our town they used to have separate buses for each school level - elementary, middle, intermediate & highschool. This year they have changed the school hours for middle school and combined the elementary & middle (K-6) buses. So far it seems to be okay. My daughter hasn't complained about anything. There were a couple of boys who got suspended from the bus for a period of time last year because of a fight but nothing else has happened (thank goodness). I haven't heard anything about any problems on any buses....the worst that's happened for us is a couple of times already they've had a sub and have been late to school. Otherwise my daughter said the regular driver gets them there early enough. I only had to call the transportation dept a 2 or 3 times last year to find out why a bus was late. Fortunately, I am home late enough in the morning that I was able to keep an eye on the kids (K-4) when the bus was like 20-25 mins late...some of those kids parents leave for work before the bus even comes at its normal time. peapie |
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I am so sorry that you are going through this. I have a son on the autism spectrum and I will not let him ride the bus this year since this is his first year of middle school, and I can just see something like this happening to him. I just know eventually something would happen on that short 15 minute ride home. It's peace of mind for me to not have to deal with a potential situation there. From you post, I thought you were talking about two different sons, one being eight, the other seven. But after rereading, they be the same son? Also, can you clarify why he has been in the hospital for two weeks, and maybe two more? At first, I thought you were talking about another son.
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I am SO SORRY that this happened to your son! He sounds like my son(who's 6) and I can't even imagine how furious I would be if this happened to him. I would stick with the charges, he's 8 and he knows the difference between right and wrong. Also take it up with the bus driver and school. Escallate until you are satisfied. You can file a lawsuit against the transportation for not protecting your son. Good luck! |
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Don't drop the charges.It will just make the kid think that it is ok to do something like this again. I would have the bus driver charged also.
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No you had it right its 2 Son's 8 and 7 year olds. The 7 year old has Autism. His Meds stopped working like they should and he has been out of control at school.. He did get into a little trouble on the bus by throwing something * we don't know what it was* at the bus driver, HOWEVER, the Bus drive DIDN'T make sure he was in the assigned seat and When the bus driver said something We couldn't make it out on the tape just what it was, C got upset and drew back with something in his hand. Thats when Half the bus gathered around him yelling THROW IT THROW IT THROW IT And when my son did it hit the drivers leg ( No didn't hurt him at all he really didn't know whether OR not C threw anything at him.. But when he threw what ever it was the WHOLE BUS YELLED OH YEAH, OH MAN,COOL SHI* Ect ect. thats the only way he knew anything had been thrown at him. I had tried for the last 2 years to have him removed off the reg bus and placed on the Special needs bus, But since he's in a mainstrem room for more than 50% he didn't qualified for the bus. But after what happen with the throwing I DEMANDED they remove him and place him on the special needs bus the next day. I called a meeting with the school board at 1st they wanted to use a Seat Belt type thing I said NO WAY !!He's already being picked on this will only added to it. so after all this they finally removed him and his now riding the special needs bus. He was put in the Hospital 15 days ago after this happen on the bus due to his behavior at school. The Meds that helps him control his behavior stopped working. Since being in the hospital they have tried 4 Meds used to help control behavior and they didn't work ( Nothing unusual for him ) So we are trying another med that takes nearly 2 weeks to get into the system. They have to draw his blood every 2 days to check the level. he just started this med Last night. So we are looking at another 7-14 days till he can come home. But yes it's 2 Son's 8 year old was the one attacked by belt, 7 year old is the one with Autism.
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I say keep the charges!! I had a bus issue last week, were my 6 yr old was being bullied. I to felt what the school had done was not enough, and decided to press the issue. I actually went to talk to the principal today, and she has agreed at the next school board meeting, she is going to bring up our incident to try once again to get approval for having an adult/supervisor other then the bus driver be on all elementary and junior high buses. Both DH and myself will be there to give testimony. I think having another adult (that is not driving) on the bus would stop most of these situations from even occurring. I hope both of your sons are doing well, good luck!
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Keep the charges. If the parents said they want help for their son's anger problems, it is quite obvious that this was not an isolated, one-time incident. If the parents don't want to deal with this, then the proper authorities will. Hopefully he will get help along with the punishment. He needs to learn that there are consequences to his actions and that he must pay those consequences.
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