I'm getting a bit tired of this commercial..........
"i want to be one less. I want to be one less."
So keep your legs crossed!!!

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ok, I'm having trouble thinking straight after taking some migraine medicine...

is this the gaurdisil (sp?) commercial? I find it annoying, but more because I think it's going to lead many girls/young woman to a false sense of security......

but with that said after having had cervical cancer myself, my oldest daughter is in the process of getting her three shot series.

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That is not a fair statement IMHO--you can be in a committed monogomaus relationship (at least it is to you) and contract STDs from your ONE partner! Unfortunately, it does happen a lot.
All it takes is ONE time to contract and STD or become pregnant--many of virgins have found that out the hard way !

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Drives me crazy too. What about the side effects later on for our daughters who've had the shot?
Judy

I am on the fence about this vaccine. My daughter is 91/2 years old and i'm not sure how I feel about it. Her pediatrician talks about it like it is just ASSUMMED that she will have it, which made me feel a bit imtimidated. Like it would be wrong of me not to go along with it. He didn't say that but it was clear that he advocates it. I'm still not sure. I would like to protect her from any potential danger if I can, but I also wonder about the unknown effects.

Jovia,
Don't let the doctor intimidate you. Remember they are human also and only know what has been told to them by the pharmaceutical companies. You are your daughters advocate.

If I had a daughter, I don't think I'd have her get the shot. Our pharmaceutical companies don't have the best track record lately. Look at all the recalls. I'd be worried about the long term effects.
Judy

My daughters doctor has a similar approach and seemed taken aback when I said I wasn't sure about it. My girls are 11 & 13. I am hesitant because it is so new and deals with their reproductive organs. I don't want to have them get it and then in a few years hear that it is causing some issues they didnt' know about. Neither of my daughters are even interested in boys yet so I have a while before they are sexually active.

I heard once that "the doctor is an expert in children, you are an expert on your child."

So all you can do is take their advice based on what they know and then make up your own mind based on what you know and make the best decisions you can out of love.

Lisa

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I heard once that "the doctor is an expert in children, you are an expert on your child."


That's really good. Thanks for that statement.

my pediatrician was surprised that i refused it for my 13 year old dd.but IMO,there is not enough studies,in 20 years we wil hear : oops......it's teh vaccine's fault....

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I agree with you. I can only hope that my female family members are the one less. Cervical cancer is not something to be taken lightly. If those ads make girls who are considering or having sex stop and think about it before they do it, then I am all for it. I am also for parents making educated, well thought out decisions about their childs health care and immunizations.

In my patient education class we learned that up to 70% of person having sex can be carrying a type of HPV and never know it. That to me is a sobering thought.

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Sell crazy some place else, we are all stocked up here.

why should it be the woman keeping her legs crossed?? How about we lay some responsibility with the man, too???

I have to say, your last statement just really took me by surprise. WOW!!!

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The woman is the one in the commercial.

The woman is the one with the cervix to protect.

Men don't get cervical cancer.

I do think that men shouldn't be promiscuous, either, but I do see why the OP said what she said, in the way that she said it.

Keeping her legs crossed *will* prevent cervical cancer caused by the exposure the vaccine is to negate.

It's a guaranteed way to be "one less."

Well yes, lets be careful with something new. God forbid it could help protect our children from getting CANCER.

What about the polio vaccine, the DPT, Rubella vaccines...etc....they were new at one time too. Just because it's new doesn't mean it's bad.

With the discussion on Gardisil, I just thought I would post a link for those who aren't very familiar with HPV......

As with any immunization, do your research and do what you feel is right for "your" child. http:///www.cdc.gov/std/HPV/STDFact-HPV.htm#common

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I believe everyone is going to have their own beliefs when it comes to any drug, vaccine, etc. I believe all people need to read up on any subject when it comes to their health....My decision to get the vaccine for my daughter was not made easily, we debated it for some time. My DH and I decided that with a history of cancer we would get it for our daughter.....While going through treatment, I lost 4 friends that were made once diagnosed, so I know that I have a slanted view on the subject. But I do feel even if it saves only one life a year, then it is worth it.

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Google it. From what I have read it's not all that they make it out to be. It has a limited time of effectiveness also. It's NOT lifetime protection at all-I think I read somewhere 36 MONTHS!! You can't get it if you've already had sexual experiences-it can actually activate the virus. Lots of things they don't tell you. If I had a daughter I would NOT let her get it. (I have sons)

I was faced with making this decision for my 13 year old daughter this summer at her annual checkup. Her pediatrician highly recommended the vaccine although we discussed it at length, and the final decision was mine. I chose to allow my daughter to have the shots. I had a cervical cancer scare of my own when I was pregnant with my daughter so maybe I'm a little more sensitive about the issue of cervical cancer, but I feel that anything I can do as a parent to possibly prevent my child from it is the right thing to do.

My daughter's pediatrician gave me some interesting information, and I think the most important thing is to educate young girls to the dangers of sexual contact. Many people are reluctant to get their daughters vaccinated for fear they will go ahead and have sex thinking they are protected against STDs. The doctor said there are about 40 different STDs, and the vaccine only protects against 3 of them. Of those three, two of them are known to cause the virus that can lead to cervical cancer with HPV being the most common. So just because you get the vaccine does not mean you are protected from all STDs.

The statistic that blew me away was the fact that the most recent studies show that about 35% of 13 year olds in the US are now sexually active. They are not all having actual intercourse, but many teens are opting for oral sex as a way to have sex while saving their virginity a little longer and to prevent pregnancy. They can get STDs from oral sex as easily as from intercourse.

Also, my daughter's pediatrician mentioned the fact that while my daughter is not sexually active now, and might not even be in 4 or 5 years if she chooses not to be, the fact is that she will most likely someday get married. She said that even if your daughter remains a virgin until marriage, you will most likely not know the sexual history of your future son-in-law. Although men cannot get cervical cancer, they can get the STDs, and they can be a carrier of the virus. Therefore, even a woman who remains a virgin until marriage could potentially get cervical cancer by having the virus passed to her by her own husband.

I know the vaccine is new, but all of them were at one time and sometimes I think we have to take a leap of faith with this stuff. My daughter's doctor is a woman and an excellent pediatrician, and I trust her judgment. I also felt that anything I can do to possibly protect my daughter outweighs any doubts I might have had originally. So I made the decision to have my daughter get the shots.

The little girls in the commercials are LITTLE GIRLS!
KIDS!
How about teaching them about NO SEX instead of SAFE SEX until they are old enough to make adult
decisions?!?

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There are lots of "little girls" that are already sexually active. This may not be true in your case, I am not talking about you personally, just using your post as an example.

As a previous poster said, the statistics are that many, many girls are sexually active by age 13. There are many, many that are sexually active BEFORE that age too. Now, we can all teach our girls and boys that no sex is the way to go, but in real life, that doesn't always happen. I work at a middle school and let me tell you .....there are many sexually active kids. Do you think their parents know? Not so much.....

Sexual contact is the most common way to contract the HPV virus but it's not the only way. This is from the CDC web site:

Human papillomavirus (HPV) is the name of a group of viruses that includes more than 100 different strains or types. More than 30 of these viruses are sexually transmitted, and they can infect the genital area of men and women including the skin of the penis, vulva (area outside the vagina), or anus, and the linings of the vagina, cervix, or rectum. Most people who become infected with HPV will not have any symptoms and will clear the infection on their own.


So not all the HPV is sexually contracted....but it IS the most common way. My daughter has had her first shot and will continue in the series. Everyone must do what they feel is best for their daughters, but please don't pooh pooh it just because your child is young, and to your knowledge is not sexually active.

I have been teaching my dd about safe sex. She is 12 - stb 13 - and in 8th grade. She also has an appointment in under an hour for her 3rd and final HPV immunization.

Believe it or not, it is possible to teach our children about safe sex AND immunize them to help protect our dd's against cervical cancer.

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No way my DD is getting that vaccine. Too new, too untested and too much of a bum's rush by states trying to force it on us. That makes me very nervous.

Plus it doesn't even protect you from much at all and I think will give a false sense of security.

What about Vioxx (also a Merck drug) and Phen-Phen. There are lots of other drug recalls, these are just the two that come to mind first. I'm not saying you shouldn't do it ever, but why not let somebody else be the guinea pig?

Doctors are in the business of prescribing drugs and they are under a lot of pressure from drug manufacturerers to sell their products. Gardisil is the most expensive vaccine ever and Merck stands to make billions from it. If that isn't reason enough for caution, I don't know what is.

You post had me in tears.....because we had just PCS'd 5 months into my 5th pregnancy and in the move my medical records were lost, so when I had to go for my first prenatal appt. here at Ft. Hood they had to start all over again, and redo a pap.....Turns out that my records getting lost happened for a "reason". Within a month had a diagnosis of Cervical Cancer. I had never been so scared and upset before. We were slightly stuck when it came to treatment since I still had to carry a baby for at least another couple of months. The emotions you deal with are undescribable because it, takes away from what is normally a very joy filled time., and let's just say that after I had my little one, the next months were difficult, between the treatments, raising 5 kids, one a newborn, and DH being deployed I was put through some true tests and tribulations. I really learned what I was made of durning this time, and what's funny to me in retrospect is that one of the hardest things for me to deal with was having to go months without breastfeeding.....(funny how those new mom hormones work!)

I really believe I did the right thing for my daughter, and all anyone can do is what they believe is right for their's. No 2 people raise their children exactly the same, no one makes the same decisions, but I don't think anyone should make someone feel bad for what decisions they have made.

Also feel the need to say, that while the girls in the commercial are younger, girls/young woman can be affected, and I truly feel that you can teach your child about sustaining from sex and protect them at the same time.....

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I totally agree with you....the fact that the company is making so much money from it,and that they are pushing for it so hard is making me nervous....
http://http://www.nvic.org/PressRele...06gardasil.htm
here is what I found:

Merck and the FDA do not reveal in public documents exactly how many 9 to 15 year old girls were in the clinical trials, how many of them received hepatitis B vaccine and Gardasil simultaneously, and how many of them had serious adverse events after being injected with Gardasil or the aluminum placebo. For example, if there were less than 1,000 little girls actually injected with three doses of Gardasil, it is important to know how many had serious adverse events and how long they were followed for chronic health problems, such as juvenile arthritis."

According to the Merck product manufacturer insert, there was 1 case of juvenile arthritis, 2 cases of rheumatoid arthritis, 5 cases of arthritis, and 1 case of reactive arthritis out of 11,813 Gardasil recipients plus 1 case of lupus and 2 cases of arthritis out of 9,701 participants primarily receiving an aluminum containing placebo. Clinical trial investigators dismissed most of the 102 Gardasil and placebo associated serious adverse events, including 17 deaths, that occurred in the clinical trials as unrelated
There is too little long term safety and efficacy data, especially in young girls, and too little labeling information on contraindications for the CDC to recommend Gardasil for universal use, which is a signal for states to mandate it," said Fisher. "Nobody at Merck, the CDC or FDA know if the injection of Gardasil into all pre-teen girls - especially simultaneously with hepatitis B vaccine - will make some of them more likely to develop arthritis or other inflammatory autoimmune and brain disorders as teenagers and adults. With cervical cancer causing about one percent of all cancer deaths in American women due to routine pap screening, it was inappropriate for the FDA to fast track Gardasil. It is way too early to direct all young girls to get three doses of a vaccine that has not been proven safe or effective in their age group."

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Mabear--so sorry to hear of your ordeal, but very glad you made it through it all safely.

Each mom has to make their own decision for their child and when their child reaches maturity if your decision is to not give the vaccine, then your adult daughter can make that decision. If have a 17 yr. old daughter (who was 16 when we first started discussing this) with whom we made the decision together and with much forethought, research and speaking with medical professionals--not just her own pediatrician. The decision made was the best for her and final decision made by her.

I will say, as an aside, that I work in a middle school with 11-14 year olds. You would be AMAZED (and probably alarmed) by the number of middle schoolers who are already engaged in sex--both intercourse and oral. Age matters to a certain degree, but reality may not be as you think.

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Have the courage to be yourself.

Here is some very interesting news from a MSNBC link
Adults still need vaccinations, too - Infectious Diseases - MSNBC.com

"HPV vaccine (Gardasil): Prevents cervical cancer

The benefits of the HPV vaccine for women under 26 have been all over the news. But the headlines overlooked something important: Gardasil may also be lifesaving for older women, especially those who are divorced or in a nonmonogamous relationship. Younger women were studied first because they're more likely to be exposed to the cancer-causing human papillomavirus, but research is under way on women over age 26. The vaccine targets four of the viral strains most commonly associated with cervical cancer and genital warts and, says Schuchat, "the chance that any woman has been exposed to all four types is tiny. So the vaccine will probably benefit everyone who gets it."

Protect yourself: Consider getting the three-shot HPV series if you've been mutually monogamous — or abstinent — but are now dating again. (Think about getting a hepatitis B vaccine, too; that sexually transmitted virus sometimes causes liver cancer.) If you're over age 26, your insurance may not cover the $350 cost of the series, at least until Gardasil is approved for older women or a similar shot, called Cervarix, gets okayed (that vaccine was recently green-lighted in Australia for women up to age 45). However, one or both approvals may happen soon."