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Old 10-16-2007, 08:24 PM
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Old 10-16-2007, 08:45 PM
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Thanks for posting this. I was crying along with her today, broke my heart.
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Old 10-16-2007, 08:47 PM
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How the heck does the shelter have the right to go and retreive a dog that was adopted out and paid for regardless of where it ended up? Why do they care who owns the dog if it is not endangered? I don't get it.
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Old 10-16-2007, 08:58 PM
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I cried along with Ellen today. I am surprised by the behavior of the shelter. This should not have been able to happen...

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Old 10-16-2007, 09:00 PM
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I can't believe they took it like that. If anything why didn't they just make sure the home was safe the the dog was happy. I had tears streaming too while watching. Just broke my heart.

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Old 10-16-2007, 09:03 PM
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This isn't all that uncommon..

Unfortunately, I had a dear friend whose 9 y.o. dog was hit by a car right in front of her (she had a lapse in judgement and let her dog off the leash when talking to neighbors in her front yard). This dog was the most pampered and cared for pooch you could imagine -allergies and special diet, etc.... Because of this accident, the rescue shelters around here would not let her adopt a dog because they said she was irresponsible (you have to give your pet owning history and she would not lie about how her dog died). This broke her heart. I understand that these organizations want to be sure the pets go to good homes, but they often overstep and, in my opinion, forget what their mission is.
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Old 10-16-2007, 09:12 PM
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I have to wonder if this rescue group isn't looking for money out of Ellen.
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Old 10-16-2007, 09:53 PM
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A lot of shelters make you sign an agreement that if for any reason you decide you don't want to or cannot keep the dog that it needs to be returned to the shelter. This is normally part of an adoption agreement. Perhaps Ellen had this in her agreement, but didn't follow it? Which would give the animal shelter (adoption agency) the right to get the animal back.
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Old 10-16-2007, 10:47 PM
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how sad. I posted this on another site as well. I hope that is ok op.. I want to get the word out!
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Old 10-16-2007, 11:48 PM
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I signed the petition. I was heart broken by this story also.
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Old 10-17-2007, 12:36 AM
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Apparently Paw Boutique is owned by the same women who run Mutts and Moms.....I learned that from another board....Mutts and Moms website is shut down and they removed themselves from petfinder.com...This other board did find a website where you can rate business and boy are they giving Paw Boutique scathing reviews...All you have to do is register and you can leave a review about the situation....it is Paw Boutique Pasadena, Pasadena | Yelp I hope all the heat they are giving will make them give that dog back to those babies....I say fine Ellen, she can afford it and has admitted guilt....but there are always exceptions.....That dog needs to go back to those little girls.....it has broken my heart....Sherri
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Old 10-17-2007, 06:39 AM
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Well let me tell you something, I have a Brussels Griffon and she is the best little puppy. She loves us her family. She is loyal to us. When we first got her she followed my 12yr old everywhere to where it was almost annoying, it was the cutest thing ever watching those little short legs trail after my DD. She follows me everywhere now that the kids are in school. She thinks my son is another puppy the way she always picks him to wrestle or play with her. As soon as he gets up she is ready for him even if he isn't ready for her lol. She is very playful.

I guess my whole point is these dogs love the people they have bonded with and it is bad enough to take a dog from little girl's arms out of thier home but did they stop and think about this dog? I betcha anything this dog LOVED his family and is a sad little doggy now. How can they think that is right?

Brownie always begs us to take her with us when we get ready to leave and she is always excited when we come home. They love the attention and do you think Iggy is getting the attention he deserves in that shelter?? With all of those other dogs? I think not!!!
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Old 10-17-2007, 07:58 AM
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she some reason didnt read all the agreement, I read it was in it when she signed, like it was for a dog I adopted that didnt work out, he was given back to the shelter like I agreed to, was also in our current dogs agreement but she's one of my kids and couldnt ever let her go. I do hope they see those girls and Iggy are meant for each other and let Iggy go back home.
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Old 10-17-2007, 08:48 AM
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I saw a clip of this and I was very surprised to see Ellen so emotional. I thought she was kidding at first. (I wanted to tell her to ...Get ahold of yourself, woman! You're on national TV!) That said, I think that they should hold the dog for the other family and they should be allowed to come in and adopt him.

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Old 10-17-2007, 10:19 AM
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This whole thing breaks my heart.....I feel for those little girls, and for Ellen

that said, if she signed an agreement stating that if she were going to give up ownership of this dog, it was to be returned to the shelter, then she should be bound by that agreement. It is a very sad state of affairs that this has come to.....To me the right thing to do would have been to contact the shelter and explain that you wanted these people to have the dog, and have them adopt it themselves......I'm guessing that she signed the agreement without reading all of it......I really hope that these little girls get their dog back.

Many, many shelters have these agreements to protect the dogs.
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Old 10-17-2007, 11:08 AM
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A lot of shelters make you sign an agreement that if for any reason you decide you don't want to or cannot keep the dog that it needs to be returned to the shelter. This is normally part of an adoption agreement. Perhaps Ellen had this in her agreement, but didn't follow it? Which would give the animal shelter (adoption agency) the right to get the animal back.

We just adopted 2 puppies from a no kill shelter and had to sign a contract that we would not give the puppies to anyone else. If we decided we did not want them, they have to be returned to the shelter.
So maybe you're right in thinking that that's what happened in this case.
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Old 10-17-2007, 04:03 PM
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Okay, the clause was in the paperwork Ellen signed and didn't read. She was wrong when she gave the puppy away BUT, once it was done, would it have been that big a deal for the agency to go out and do an in home investigation and take an application on the new family BEFORE they just arbitrarily decided to take him back? I thought the whole idea was to find the puppy a good, loving home.
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Old 10-17-2007, 07:41 PM
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Sorry. I think Ellen was wrong. She signed the paperwork that said she would not give the dog to another family. I don't think that she should be treated differently because she's a celebrity. I think the shelter should have allowed the new family to go through the proper procedure to apply for the dog.
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Old 10-17-2007, 07:57 PM
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She signed the paperwork that said she would not give the dog to another family. I don't think that she should be treated differently because she's a celebrity. I think the shelter should have allowed the new family to go through the proper procedure to apply for the dog.
I agree.
But Ellen has already stated she was in the wrong for passing the dog onto the another family. I think she is imploring the adoption agency to allow the family to keep the dog and hopefully draw up a new contract. I guess she really feels bad that she was the cause of the kids losing the dog that (I'm assuming) had grown close to.

Another issue was apparently the agency does not allow the adopted animals in homes with children under 14(?). So that could pose a problem too.

For those that have signed these types of agreements when adopting: are there any clauses for when/if you move out of state? Do you still have to check in with the agency? Do they track you? What if they cannot contact you?
I have not heard of these types of contracts before.
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Old 10-17-2007, 08:09 PM
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Isn't it about what's best for the dog? I think they've gotten themselves into a battle of wills and neither is willing to back down. I don't think 12 & 13 years old is too young for the girls to have the dog. I don't know why they can't just let the family keep it. Like was posted above, Ellen made a mistake, but it's not like she dumped it on the road or something. She found what she thought to be a loving home. That's better than returning it to the shelter. Instead of fighting over it, they just need to work it out.

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Old 10-17-2007, 08:35 PM
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I just read this article:
DeGeneres' Former Dog Stays With Agency - MSN TV News


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Batkis rejected DeGeneres' plea to give the dog back to her hairstylist's family.

"She (Batkis) doesn't think this is the type of family that should have the dog," said Fink, who is not legally representing the owners but is authorized to speak for them. "She is adamant that she is not going to be bullied around by the Ellen DeGenereses of the world ... They are using their power, position and wealth to try to get what it is they want."
I think lisab is right. I don't think this is about the dog anymore, but rather a battle of wills.
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Fink said Moms and Mutts has a rule that families with children under 14 are not allowed to adopt small dogs.

"It's for the protection of the dog," he said.
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Old 10-18-2007, 01:17 AM
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The whole under 14 thing has me shaking my head at this. Is this to say ONLY people above 14 are good pet owners ??, Most teenagers that I know could CARE LESS about taking care of a pet, they would rather be hanging with friends, the mall or video games.

Most Children from age 8 till teen/ pre teen usually find their * Friend* with their pets.

And yes I do understand the *concern*( Just not the *rule*) about the age deal, However, To list a age on wheter or not a family can get a pet because of the childs age is Crazy !!... Noone can tell by age alone wheter or not theres a good loving home for that pet. I have seen ADULTS that dont care for their pets. So whoms to place an age on this as to wheter the pet is in harms way with the family.

I have a 5 year old DD I promise you, If you so much as kill a bug in her presents she will go into a complete crying fit. She has the BIGGEST heart for any child of her age I have ever seen, And you can believe she loves our dogs, she would sleep with them. bath with them she tries to eat with them ( Had to stop that one YUCK lol )... Our male dog weighs less than 10 lbs and our Female weighs 5 lbs. She loves those dogs so much. Now my other 3 children 11,8,7 love them if they feel like it. So to say any child under the age of 14 cann't love and handle a small pet is very stupid on their part.

Maybe they should run a poll to see how many under age of 14 send their* Belioved* pets to a shelter because they became *too much work* for them.

Still shaking my head at the age thing. Seems very crazy to me.
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Old 10-18-2007, 09:17 AM
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The whole under 14 thing has me shaking my head at this. Is this to say ONLY people above 14 are good pet owners ??,
I agree... My 10 year old is so gentle with animals. I feel that you have to nurture a love of animals in children -- he is our home's dog whisperer. Sometimes animals respond very well to children.

Such a sad story that has taken on a life of its own... I just hope that this doesn't give all animal shelters a bad name.

It is so important for ALL people to read contracts and know the terms of what they are agreeing to before they sign the dotted line.

I hope that Ellen can now:
1)somehow reinforce the importance of reading and understanding contracts prior to signing
2) somehow building up the importance of shelters to her viewers

That will be her challenge (as I see it)!
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So to say any child under the age of 14 cann't love and handle a small pet is very stupid on their part.
I completely agree with your entire post, especially this part. The shelter is making a stereotypical generalization and I have to agree with the other poster that this has become a battle of wills.

While I understand that a contract was broken, I don't understand how this is being handled. Isn't the most important thing that the pet had a loving home?

Years ago we were looking to the humane society to adopt a pup... my girls were very young and they flat out told us that they would not adopt a dog that had come in as a stray to us due to not only the girl's ages but the unknown history of the pup. They were more than happy to refer us to a purebred rescue as most of those dogs being placed they more often than not were surrended from a home... we decided we'd wait on adoption...

Now that my girls are older we are in the process of adopting a pup who is about 14 wks old and less than one pound... guess according to the other shelter my girls won't be able to handle her
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Old 10-18-2007, 01:09 PM
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so let's say you have kids over 14,and adopt one of their dogs.
if you get pregnant,they will come and get the dog?

this is so ridiculous.and by the way ,now iggy has found a new home!!!!
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so let's say you have kids over 14,and adopt one of their dogs.
if you get pregnant,they will come and get the dog?
That is an EXCELLENT question.
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Why was Iggy Pop in a dog shelter?
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Old 10-18-2007, 02:53 PM
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Why was Iggy Pop in a dog shelter?
Because someone OVERthe age of 14 didnt want him anylonger.


See my point about the poll on how many UNDERThe ago of 14 send their *Beloved* pet to a shelter. Makes No sense to me at all about the age thing.
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I think that it's a shame that a shelter organization is being run through the mud because a celebrity didn't read/understand/like a legal contract that she signed. The contract is there for a reason. It really sucks that there are people in the world who will adopt a dog from a shelter and then turn them over to be used for illegal or harmful purposes, but there are.

What Ellen should have done is return the dog to the shelter with the request that her friends be considered for adopting it.

Ellen was in the wrong here and had no right to make a spectacle of the situation.
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I agree with oupiglet.
I really like Ellen but I really feel she is so wrong here to take it to the public. She signed a contract, and should abide by it. Just because she is famous does not give her the right to not follow the contract that the average person would have to if they signed it.
We adopted our dog from a shelter about 10 years ago. Had the same type of contract. When we went to adopt him it took 3 visits with the entire family to see if he was a good fit for us. We had to bring papers from a landlord that we were allowed to have a dog and also a paper from a vet that said he would be taking him to. They do this to look out for the pet and the pet owner. Bringing the dog back hopefully will get the best possible home for the pets.
I am not saying Ellens hairdresser is a good person but I know alot of good people who are horrible pet owners.
And I dont know the policy of the adoption agency but it is thier choice if they do not adopt dogs out to people with children under 14. While you may or may not agree with this, if it is thier policy then that is how it is. Then do not adopt your pet from them if you do not agree with thier rules. Perhaps they have a reason for these rules. I know there are other pet adoption agencies that will adopt a pet to households with children younger.
Maybe the size of the dog is an issue also. I know 2 people who have had very small dogs with kids that are under 10 and both pets have had thier legs broken by the children picking up the dog and dropping them. The kids are not bad kids and they love animals. Maybe just a little too much and wanted to play with them and love on them. I think we are only hearing Ellens side of it not the agency side. So I dont think we can make a fair judement nor should we since this agreement was signed. what is the point of a contract if nobody has to abide by it.
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Old 10-19-2007, 04:28 PM
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Let this be a lesson to everyone to be sure to READ a contract before you sign it!! Just because she's Ellen doesn't give her any more rights than the rest of us.

Another question I've been wondering is why did she get so emotional about it on national TV? Was it all real or was some of it for publicity sake? It's not like she had the dog for years and it was taken away. She had the dog less than a month and gave it to another family.
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This is JMO, but I think she was emotional over the distress caused to the girl when the dog was taken away. I think it was real & I think she blamed herself for causing that girl emotional pain.

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This is JMO, but I think she was emotional over the distress caused to the girl when the dog was taken away. I think it was real & I think she blamed herself for causing that girl emotional pain.

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I totally agree.
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Here are home movie videos that they made during all of this.

It helps to explain things a little bit better as to how and why Ellen was so emotional (I think):

Ellen, Portia Rush to Home Where Iggy Was Taken - TMZ.com
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Old 10-19-2007, 05:48 PM
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I heard today she is still so upset that she couldn't tape her show today,, in my opinion she is VERY stressed about this issue and like someone else posted I think its because the little girls are upset so Ellen feels bad because she "caused" this when she gave them the dog.

I HATE the fact that the shelter did not hold IGGY for the family to addopt him (instead if I heard right IGGY was given away for adoption to another family) 12 year olds are responsible for their pets and the can take care of them ( my nieces and nephews are 12 year old kids that love and take care of their pets) SO aside from Ellen and he "mistake" Moms for Mutts did wrong in not giving a loving family a chance to adopt IGGY :-(
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