Wow...very disturbing to find out that "children" this young are becoming sexual active.

ABC News: How Young Is Too Young for Birth Control?

Highlights:
"Parents and school officials are preparing to battle tonight in a debate about the sexual health of children at one Maine school district. The school's female students are in grades six to eight and range from ages 11 to 13.
King Middle School's health center already provides condoms as part of its reproductive health program. Prescriptions for birth control pills and patches would be included in the new measure
The students will need a parent's written permission to access any services provided, but they would not have to disclose which service they receive"

Update:
FOXNews.com - School Board Approves Birth Control Prescriptions at Maine Middle School - Health News | Current Health News | Medical News

"Pupils at a city middle school will be able to get birth control pills and patches at their student health center after the local school board approved the proposal Wednesday evening.
Students treated at the centers must first get written parental permission, but under state law such treatment is confidential, and students decide for themselves whether to tell their parents about the services they receive."

My doc put me on the pill when I was 8....is that too young??

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If there is a medical benefit..such as with hormones..then that is one thing. Plus then a dr. is involved they can watch for anything that might happen. Not everyone can take "the pill".

Just to give it to children so that they can have sex is a different thing.

a traditional woman would never dream of such nonsense

I beg to differ.

I was on the pill for years before I lost my virginity at 25 (yes, I said 25) and the pill itself wasn't the influence to if or when I should have sex --- it was my values.

An intelligent, well informed, traditional woman who cares about her health or the well being of her daughter wouldn't dream being narrow-minded enough to think that the pill only equals sex.

But, you obviously aren't one of those people.

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Ok we live in an average area. When my ds who is now 22 was in the 5th grade 2 of the girls were pregnant! That just blew me away back then. Children now don't have a very good chance if the parents are not involved and they can talk to them. Sadly alot aren't involved. When I was young I had horrible cramps every month. To the point I couldn't even get out of bed. The doctor wanted to put me on the pill to help with the cramps. NOT so I could have sex. Ended up I didn't go on the pill and had years and years of pain. Because of my beliefs I wouldn't have had sex anyway. They also put girls on the pill now to help out with pimples. It seems to clear up their faces. That is huge in a young persons life also.

Let me set the scene somewhat. My son is a very responsible, yet niave boy. We have not had the COMPLETE sex talk. All he knows is that it is something that adults in relationships do and that it can result in having a baby. Etc.

Last year, he was in the 5th grade. Another mom whose child is in my child's class, called me and was mad and asked me what I thought about the school giving our kids condoms. I said that I had no idea what she was talking about. So, I told her after I talked to him, I would get back to her. Well, I didn't want to blow up or make him feel like he had did something wrong, plus I wanted to make sure that I was prepared for 'the sex' talk should he want to discuss it. Anyway, a couple hours pass by and I approach him. I calmly ask did he get condoms at school today and he said NO. I said are you sure, he said yea. Kind of dumb founded, I told him I had to use the bathroom and I would be right back. I return and say to him, Justin's mom said that the school gave out condoms today in your class and I was just wondering what you did with yours. He just looked at me He said, Oh, you're talking about those balloon thingies. I said yes . He said, I threw them in the trash. I said what made you do that. His reply was: I am 10 years old, what was I going to do with that thing. I aint having no sex. Adult boys and girls do that stuff. Etc. He enlightened me very well, lol. And I was never so thankful to know that he really did / does listen to me and trust me

So, the next morning, I let him and his brother ride the school bus as usual. BUT of course, my butt was parked at the school and waiting on the principal to arrive. We talk and I tell him that my child has absolutely NO NEED to get condoms at age 10. He proceeds to tell me that the reason for this was because TWO girls in my son's class are pregnant. Of course, my response was, well my son didn't do it and that I my next stop for the day was at the school board office.......

Long story short, I would have APPRECIATED my input on the matter before directly providing my kid with condoms, but I was never asked or warned. I had to hear it from another parent. While, I would prefer my child to be protected against disease and pregnancy, I DO think that the 5th grade is TOO YOUNG to be handing out birth control. I honestly can't say at this moment what the age or grade should be, but I can say I do not believe 5th grade / age 10 is it. I am not niave, nor do I pretend to be a perfect parent, BUT I do know that as far as my child, condoms at 10 years old is NOT appropriate....at least in my household.

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I would be completely horrified and shocked beyond words if my middleschool son came home with a condom which the school provided. What example in particular are they trying to set? I am speechless that a very young, immature girl in 5th grade could end up pregnant. Definitely an issue for the homefront. It is not the school's problem, and they shouldn't be taking steps to try to impede future pregnancies. I would think the school system is setting themselves up for a huge uprising with the parents concerning the actions they took into their own hands.

In my opinion, I think schools handing out condoms is not the answer. Isn't it kind of like giving permission, now that you protection? I think kids are actually wanting boundaries, not permission. Kids that age should never be alone with with a "boyfriend" or "girlfriend". Kids this age need a lot of supervision, and is it quite obvious that many are not getting it.

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I don't think schools should hand our condoms but I do think they should be discussed and talked about in a sex ed type class before the middle school level. In middle school, I think having them available in the nurses office would be good. I knew TONS of girls giving BJ's in middle school (and that was 20 years ago! I doubt many of them knew the diseases they could get if they did not use a condom while doing that because NO ONE gives information on oral sex...just the standard "sex talk". The problems usually lie in the fact that parents don't want the schools teaching our kids about sex or having condoms available and yet so few kids get the teachings they need on the topic at home Maybe those condoms could have saved those girls from pregnancy and started a conversation at home (like OP did with her son). Sometimes just triggering the conversation itself is good reasoning

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they should teach them how to be traditional women instead of common whores.

you are entitled to your opinion. "Traditional" can means different things to different people. Do I think schools should teach kids to have sex? NO but I do think they should teach them about sex and about preventing diseases and pregnancy if they do decide to have sex (as so many are doing now). Obviously teaching them to just not have sex isn't working because that is what was discussed at my schools and we had lots of girls pregnant and many doing oral sex. In a perfect world we wouldn't need to even have this discussion

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Your version of traditional and my version of traditional are probably two different things. And I think your use of the word whores is very insulting, derogatory and uncalled for.

That being said, I don't think that 5th grade is too young to fully explain sex, and the ramifications of having sex. I don't think that birth control should be dispensed, but should be discussed. I also think that the schools should send a letter home to the parents advising that the discussion/classes will be occurring and give them the option of having their children OPT OUT of the class/discussion.

And while I firmly believe that parents/guardians should be the ones teaching their children about these things--some are unwilling or unable for a variety of reasons. And if they can't/won't then someone has to! All to often, that falls on the public school systems or public health nurses.

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This is exactly why I do not think you should be able to "opt out" your child from the sex discussion. Some parents do not want to tell their kids, nor do they want the school too. ALL kids need to have this information IMO

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EXACTLY!

A friend of mine in grammar school was always "opted out" of that class by her Mom and Dad. I think the main reason was that their beliefs were different and they didn't want their daughter taught about birth control methods. It's not that they didn't teach her, but they wanted her to only know abstinence, not birth control. So while I would probably never opt out, I would want to know what they are being taught and then judge if it was teaching what I was enforcing.

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Am I the only one who finds this incomprehensible

Geez, there are married women who won't perform oral sex. I can't imagine a very young girl doing something that many grown women find totally repulsive

I remember hearing that this is the new thing right now, although not really new. The kids consider it " safe sex". I think more goes on than any parent will ever know. What was bad when we were in school is nothing compared to what goes on now.

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Won't get on the topic of repulsive (I don't think that) but it is a VERY real problem. I can't remember where I heard/read it but the percentage of girls performing oral sex in the 6th grade was MUCH higher than you would think. It's totally one sided...boys aren't giving oral sex to girls. I can't find the article/story because any internet search I do is coming up with porn sites instead of what I"m looking for.a

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About one in five ninth-graders report having had oral sex and almost one-third say they intend to try it during the next six months, a small study of teens at two California schools reports.

The teenagers, whose average age was 14½, also say oral sex is less risky, more common and more acceptable for their age group than intercourse.

Teens say oral sex not really sex - Sexual Health - MSNBC.com

The 411: Teens & Sex - TV News - MSNBC.com
14 percent of 13 and 14-year-olds say they are sexually active, which means they have gone beyond kissing. That number jumps to 41 percent when kids reach 15 and 16.


went directly to dateline page and found the above articles. Not exactly what I remember reading but gives more info

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I'm in my 30's and one of my good friends in 7th grade became pregnant of course the dad denied everything but she wanted the baby and ran away to have it. She'd call the counselor every so often to let them know she was ok but that's all I heard from her.

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WOW!
I did not know that there were women who found that act repulsive. Seriously. I'm not making fun of anyone, but I just did not know it was REPULSIVE!

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me thinks some of you would send your daughters off so school to watch the porno. how very traditional indeed.

Maybe you shouldn't think...

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sounds to me like some one has a VERY dirty mind!!! and seems to think everyone is the same!
guess who!

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It is definitely repulsive to many women.

Supposedly, that's why so many men go to prostitutes: for oral sex because their girlfriends/wives won't "do it".

hmmmmm...well, that sounds like a load of bull from men who have gotten caught w/ their pants down (so to speak ).

I guess, I just have never heard any of the women I know refer to it as repulsive. Learn something new every day.

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i'm so glad we chose to homeschool until they were of high school age. they have proven us proud.

and for those talking about me, i know how to keep a man. over 30 years now. can everyone else say the same? and i get my spending money every Friday ^^

This topic is always heated, and we get all sides, which I appreciate.

I, too, have heard of the new "BJ epidemic" among middle schoolers - what is so shocking is how cavalier they are about this sex act. In fact, in one dateline type show I saw, I remember some young girls being interviewed who felt it was less "personal" than a kiss.

How tragic for young girls - to partake in this type of act at such a young age, and with so little regard for the significance of what they were doing. And how horrible to teach young boys that their desires can easily be met by any number of willing girls with no need for any level of responsibility to those girls. Really horrible, IMO.

It does seem that this particular behavior became so prevalent after our then President Clinton was explaining his "relations" as having not been of a sexual nature with "that woman."

I wish he offered a public service announcement - this has to be the most horrific by-product of his affair.

Note to ProudUSAMama - I am glad you are on this board - I think it's great to have your perspective here - obviously we hear from lots of different types of people from a wide spectrum of beliefs. I know that you're new here - I think you'll find that your voice is heard if it isn't attached to strong judgements against others. Take that for what it's worth. We all have a lot to offer on such important topics if we express ourselves without being harshly judgemental.

You really should think before you type all the nonsense you have been writing so far, looks as if you are asking to be flamed. Your ideas and thoughts can be worded better if you take a moment and 'think'.

If it looks like a troll and smells like a troll....it just might be a troll, Ya think?

cj/

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You get "paid" every Friday?
No I can't that is just tooooo easy. hehe

Sorry couldn't help it.

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I'll do you one better try 40 years and I don't need an allowance! I was a sahm until youngest was 16 and then decided to work and I find there are a lot of wonderful people out there who just need a smile or a pat on the back or a hug or kind word!
obviously you've never heard the term that you catch more flies with honey than vinegar!

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My take on it is this: If a child is sexually active, they need to be using protection. I don't condone sexual activity amongst children. In fact, that are some adults who should not "indulge" IMO. However, it is going to happen. No, not with EVERY child, but, with some, yes. And some of them would shock you. I remember in HS, there was a girl, very quiet, honors student, her parents were well respected teachers. Senior Year, we return from Summer Break, and she looked like she swallowed a pumpkin. So, it happens, and will continue to happen.

DH and I are responsible parents and have taught our children about sex. Not just sex, but, the emotions that are involved. We never convey sex as a bad thing. It isn't, IMO. At the right time, and with the right person.......of legal age.

I would much rather have a child on birth control then an unwanted pregnancy.

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Thing is, I don't believe that poster is all that interested in an honest discussion on any subject. I think that person is here with the sole intent of raising ruckus, and to sit back and laugh at the frenzy she/he creates.


This pretty much sums up my feelings.

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I would much rather have a child on birth control then an unwanted pregnancy

I 2nd that

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Back to the original news story:
They were talking about supplying middle schoolers with "the pill" on top of condoms. They also said that at this time nurses would not be allowed to disclose to the parents that their daughter has been put on the pill.
WHAT??? I could not send my 17 yo to the Doc to get a strep test and they think it's ok to shove hormones in a 12 yo without the consent of their guardian??!! By all means, if the kids want a condome, give them one. I have a hard time believing that they are going to have sex just because somebody gave them a Trojan.

I work in a HS and here is what really ticks me off about the BJs. Every time I hear about it it's: She gave him ..... . A lot of girls have so little self worth and such a desire to "please" they'll do anything those punks want from them. The girls I deal with mostly come from horrible homes and think they found prince charming just because they don't beat them. Ohhh - I could rant .....

You should take your spending money and invest in a grammar book.

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I dont have any daughters, just 4 sons. My oldest son, who is now 23, and married, had sex when he was 14. I didnt know it was going on at the time. His girlfriend was 16. They were in the same grade. I guess she must have failed a year or two. She had her drivers license, and I didnt know they were out together. They were suppose to be at her house with her parents. Her parents didnt seem to care what was going on. She was instant messaging me, and told me one day she was pregnant. I about died. I called her parents, and her dad said she couldnt be, and I asked him if he would have it checked out, he said she had a dr apt in a couple mts. Well, she was lying to me, but I did find out then, that my son and her were having sex. I did ask my son about it, and he told me all about it. We have always had a close relationship. I did call the cops, and asked what I could do. The girl was 16 and my son was 14, could I file rape charges? Technically, I could, the cops told me. The cops also told me if I knew they were out parking, and knew where, I could call them and tell them where. I guess they were sneaking off to the houses around here, that were just being built, and going inside them when the workers left. The girl was not on bc pills. I asked my son if they used condoms, he said yes, but I didnt believe him. I still dont think he did. My husband offered to buy him condoms. I thought that was a little much. But, if they were going to be doing that, then better to have them, than be a parent at that age. I do have a 6th grader now. And I guess I will have to question him about what goes on at school these days. One day, I will ask my 23 yr old if they really did use condoms. I am sure after this much time has passed, I will get the truth.

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Update
FOXNews.com - School Board Approves Birth Control Prescriptions at Maine Middle School - Health News | Current Health News | Medical News

"Pupils at a city middle school will be able to get birth control pills and patches at their student health center after the local school board approved the proposal Wednesday evening.

Students treated at the centers must first get written parental permission, but under state law such treatment is confidential, and students decide for themselves whether to tell their parents about the services they receive."

I have not read past this so forgive me if it was asked already....

Can a 10 year old boy get a girl pregnant? What age do the "fish" come in?

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I have a 14 year old daughter.her dad talks to her all the time about boys,about what the boys are after....and that she doesn't want to mess her life up.boys will leave a pregnant girlfriend.and of course the girl is teh one who will have to take care of teh baby 24/7.
I talk to her about std not only from intercourse but also oral sex.

people,educate your children,do not wait for the schools to do it.they are YOUR responsabilities.talk,talk and talk more about it.....

I am not afraid about the pill being offered at school,if a child wants to have they will do it,pill or no pill ,they will do it.
on the other hand,a child who is properly educated,even if offered a condom/pill will not have sex.same thing about drugs,tobbaco and alcohol.....

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From what I know, boys are fertile at the onset of puberty. Thus, I guess it would depend on the child. As some boys go through puberty at different ages, just as girls do. However, I could be wrong, that's just what I think, however I did also google it and came up with the same age for boys on fertility.

However, I have a feeling that these 2 girls did not get pregnant by a 10 yr old....."RUMORS" were that both were sexually active with older teen boys....

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I guess you've never heard of a rainbow party then??

Rainbow party (sexuality) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It is sad, but there are more and more young girls who do not get enough love and attention at home from their parents and look elsewhere for love. It seems like children are maturing physically at a younger age than in the past. I have a co-worker who blames all of the growth hormones given to animals and it ends up in the meat.

Not all children will be responsible and wait until they are mature enough to handle a relationship. Some just want to be loved -- and it doesn't matter to them how they get the love or from whom. In a perfect world, midlle school children would not need access to birth control.

Now my problem with the story, and I don't know all of the details of who is giving the birth control pills, but there is a reason they need a prescription. Who is going to be responsible for the medical care of the girls? Along with the birth control pills, they are also given condoms to prevent STD.

please tell this traditional old woman what "love" is involved in a BJ (there i said it happy?)

now i understand why we must give husband an occasional surprise to remind him that it's friday, but really what are these girls thinking? Is this all because of Clintoon?

Please Clintoon, didnt start this.lmao..........and Why wait for just fridays???

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Umm.. Fridays are the days she gets her spending money according to another post. Maybe that helps? LOL

I am personally outraged that a traditional wife would perform *that* for money. Shocking, really.

Rebecca

Yes, doesn't performing any sexual act for money constitute prostitution?

Anything I do for my husband (and we're not talking just sexual acts) I do because I love him and it gives me great pleasure to do things for him that he enjoys!

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you guys are cracking me up!!! LOL

I'm enjoying this lively and interesting conversation...all aspects of it!!!!

NO young girls should not be given bc from a school nurse. For various reasons I think this is a terrible idea. jmo lol

Thank you for all your contributions, this post is now being closed due to length. Please feel free to continue your discussion with a new post................Karrie

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