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View Poll Results: Would you not vote for someone just because he/she is a Mormon?
I would not vote for a Mormon, ever. 28 35.00%
I might vote for a Mormon. 26 32.50%
I would vote for a Mormon. 23 28.75%
I don't vote anyway, so it doesn't matter if they are a Mormon. 3 3.75%
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Old 10-24-2007, 02:25 PM
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Who would not vote for a Mormon?

Would you not vote for someone running for President just because he/she is Mormon? It doesn't matter whether they are republican or democrat. Just along the party lines you vote, would you change your vote just because the person representing your party is Mormon?
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Old 10-24-2007, 02:37 PM
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I would not hold anyone's personal religious beliefs against them as long they were capable of adhearing to seperation of church and state.
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Old 10-24-2007, 02:38 PM
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I am very concerned with the influence of all religions in the political process of our country. With that in mind, I would be just as unlikely to vote for Governor Huckabee because of his religious views as I would for Governor Romney because of his beliefs.
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Old 10-24-2007, 02:47 PM
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I would vote for a mormon for $10,000 bucks.
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I am very concerned with the influence of all religions in the political process of our country. With that in mind, I would be just as unlikely to vote for Governor Huckabee because of his religious views as I would for Governor Romney because of his beliefs.
Mike Huckabee is scarey as hell...

My mother, probably the most devout conservative Christian I know--thinks Mike Huckabee is evil, I tend to agree with her.
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I would vote for a Mormon as long as they can keep their beliefs out of it.
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Old 10-24-2007, 03:07 PM
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I'm not sure what mormon beliefs are but wasn't that Jeff Warren a mormon.. did i get that name right?
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Old 10-24-2007, 03:11 PM
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no warren jeffs?
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I'm not sure what mormon beliefs are but wasn't that Jeff Warren a mormon.. did i get that name right?
If you are talking about the polygamist--he was what is referred to as a FUNDAMENTALIST Mormon, I believe. The actual Latter Day Saints Church does not condone or approve of polygamy.

Mormons are no different than any other religion: Your basic every day Mormon/Catholic/Baptist, etc. are generally good upstanding "nice" people--it's the radicals and extremists that give a bad name.
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Old 10-24-2007, 03:15 PM
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I don't think your average, everyday Mormon is a bad person by any means. I just think they hold some rather odd beliefs.

It's the same way I feel about Scientology.
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I don't think your average, everyday Mormon is a bad person by any means. I just think they hold some rather odd beliefs.

It's the same way I feel about Scientology.
Oh I agree--I just didn't want anyone to confuse Warren Jeffs and his kind (there are other "groups" out there just like him) as "Mormon".
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Old 10-24-2007, 03:23 PM
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Boy, this could get interesting. I agree with truble on this though.


akastephens......

As far as "separation of church and state"...that particular phrase is not in our constitution. It says that "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free excercise thereof." IOW the state is not protected from religion, religion is protected from the state. And no religion can be the "state" religion. google it! ;0)
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I never implied a constitutional reference.

As the leader of our country, no matter their personal religious belief, they must remain neutral and do what is best for the whole of the nation. I just don't believe that faith based initiatives have any place in the government.
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Old 10-24-2007, 03:47 PM
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my apologies....that's where most ppl believe the phrase "separation of church and state" originated. When most ppl reference it, that's what they believe they are quoting. I do disagree with you, however. So called "faith based initiatives" do a great amount of good. And I'm not sure that any person that had any strong held beliefs would not let those beliefs effect how the make decisions in any job. I just think that's a lot to ask. Our beliefs make us who we are.
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but when those beliefs infringe on another's beliefs (or are thrust upon them), then that's when it becomes a constitutional problem...

if done right politicians have a very difficult job... ideally they're supposed to objectively represent the whole...

I'm not saying that personal religious beliefs do not form who they are as a person, but it is possible to represent yourself "objectively" keeping religion out of it
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Old 10-24-2007, 08:21 PM
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Mike Huckabee is scarey as hell...

My mother, probably the most devout conservative Christian I know--thinks Mike Huckabee is evil, I tend to agree with her.
Since Senator Brownback is out now I'm throwing myself behind Huckabee!! I don't know what's evil about him.
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They are all just afraid of having a president in office who has traditional family values like we do. Can you image a president who has to wear "holy undergarments"? We'd be the laughing stock of the middle east. He knows traditional values and isn't afraid to say so. They all want to have their abortions and what not, let them suffer I don't need that.

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Old 10-24-2007, 10:12 PM
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I don't think your average, everyday Mormon is a bad person by any means. I just think they hold some rather odd beliefs.

It's the same way I feel about Scientology.
I totally agree!!! Sherri
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thank ou marilyn k for clarifying!
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Old 10-24-2007, 10:29 PM
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Mormons are no different than any other religion: Your basic every day Mormon/Catholic/Baptist, etc. are generally good upstanding "nice" people--it's the radicals and extremists that give a bad name.
I have to disagree. Mormon is VERY different and not considered Christian in many other churches. I don't want to start an argument because this isn't the place but they don't follow the basic beliefs to be Christian.
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That being said, there are very good Mormon people out there living good lives and I would never hold it against them as I wouldn't hold it against a Jewish person or a Muslim person.
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Old 10-24-2007, 10:36 PM
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I find it very interesting that more ppl don't understand the difference between Mormonism and Christianity. You're right, they are not the same. I am always surprised that he is touted as a Christian by some media. Do you think they don't know the difference? or are they trying to mislead....

But, I will echo ilovezinger in saying that of course there are good Mormon ppl just like any other religion. It's not something to hold against someone.
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Old 10-24-2007, 10:41 PM
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I would vote for whoever I think would be the best for our country, no matter what their religion. I do think that whatever our leader does believe filters down in some form and there is no way to avoid that, but they have to know how to use it to inspire and lead not to preach and divide.
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I have to disagree. Mormon is VERY different and not considered Christian in many other churches. I don't want to start an argument because this isn't the place but they don't follow the basic beliefs to be Christian.
True Christian Church of Christ

That being said, there are very good Mormon people out there living good lives and I would never hold it against them as I wouldn't hold it against a Jewish person or a Muslim person.

I wasn't commenting on their beliefs. I was commenting on the fact that as a whole the people who are Mormon are no different than any other religion in that it's the radical, zealot and fanatical believers who give the religion a bad name.

And please don't TRY and school me on Mormon beliefs--you have no idea in what religion I was born and raised and I probably know as much about the early history of the Mormon Church and what they believe as anyone on here.

And that is one of the most offensive sites I have seen! Present your arguments in a clear and concise manner without resorting to calling names and implying that Mormons are Satan Worshipers!
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I would not dismiss any Presidential Candidate on his/her religious beliefs alone. There are some pretty sick puppies who are members of main stream religious groups. Muslim, Morman, Catholic, Protestant, Baptist, Jehovahs Witness, or Aetheist that alone does not completely define a person. I want to know about the total person and then I will make a decision that most reflects my values.
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And please don't TRY and school me on Mormon beliefs--you have no idea in what religion I was born and raised and I probably know as much about the early history of the Mormon Church and what they believe as anyone on here.

And that is one of the most offensive sites I have seen! Present your arguments in a clear and concise manner without resorting to calling names and implying that Mormons are Satan Worshipers!
I didn't even read that website so I don't endorse it. I honestly just googled and that was the first thing that came up comparing Mormons to Christians. I would never personally call Mormons satan worshipers. I'm sorry about that site! I'll read thru it more before I post a website again.

I just have to defend my Christianity when someone puts Mormons into our category like Romney does. I know what Christianity is and the basic (VERY basic) beliefs of Christianity isn't even close to Mormonism. I get very frustrated when when he says he's Christian. I know he was taught to believe that but it's just not so.

Again, nothing "wrong" with Mormons at all. Some of my best friends are Mormons and I totally respect how they live their lives. They are very good people.

I'm sorry marilynk about that site. It was the first one that came up and in my hyperness I didn't even read thru it. Accept my apology, ok?
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Old 10-24-2007, 11:27 PM
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I would not dismiss any Presidential Candidate on his/her religious beliefs alone. There are some pretty sick puppies who are members of main stream religious groups. Muslim, Morman, Catholic, Protestant, Baptist, Jehovahs Witness, or Aetheist that alone does not completely define a person. I want to know about the total person and then I will make a decision that most reflects my values.
VERY true and look at some of our presidents (past and present) that claim to be Christians and what they've done. I wish they'd leave religion out of the leadership of our country. Christians would not do what has been done these past few years under our leadership.
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I didn't even read that website so I don't endorse it. I honestly just googled and that was the first thing that came up comparing Mormons to Christians. I would never personally call Mormons satan worshipers. I'm sorry about that site! I'll read thru it more before I post a website again.

I just have to defend my Christianity when someone puts Mormons into our category like Romney does. I know what Christianity is and the basic (VERY basic) beliefs of Christianity isn't even close to Mormonism. I get very frustrated when when he says he's Christian. I know he was taught to believe that but it's just not so.

Again, nothing "wrong" with Mormons at all. Some of my best friends are Mormons and I totally respect how they live their lives. They are very good people.

I'm sorry marilynk about that site. It was the first one that came up and in my hyperness I didn't even read thru it. Accept my apology, ok?
I didn't think the website sounded like you!
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I haven't followed what Romney has said (as I know barring some major catastrophy I will not be voting for him) about his religion. So, I won't comment on the whole "are Mormons Christians or not?" question. My point was and continues to be it's the fruitcakes of any religion that give it a bad name (David Koresh, Jim Jones, Mother Faith, etc.)
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Old 10-24-2007, 11:53 PM
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My point was and continues to be it's the fruitcakes of any religion that give it a bad name (David Koresh, Jim Jones, Mother Faith, etc.)
SOOOOOOOOOOOO very true. How about the Westboro Baptist Church? Wow, talk about a sad group of people. They actually came here and protested outside our church (Lutheran) because we allow gays to worship with us. I think it was a year or so ago. We had to talk to our confirmation group of middle schoolers because they are a very "in your face" type of protesters and we didn't want our kids stooping to that level because of anger. They protested a few churches here in Helena. I feel sorry for them being so full of hate.

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Not a US citizen, so I can't vote, but I'm not sure why an LDS politician wold be worth than one from any other faith. Too many crazy things are done in the name of religion, but it doesn't make everyone who's religious a problem.
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I would not hold anyone's personal religious beliefs against them as long they were capable of adhearing to seperation of church and state.
I feel the same way.
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I agree with those who look at the whole picture with regards to a political candidate.

Having lived in Mormon areas for part of my life, I can say that just about every LDS faithed person that I have known (or dated!) had exceptional family values, a strong work ethic, and were kind-hearted and faithful friends. There are always blatant exceptions but that is true of just about anything!

I'd never base my voting decision on someone's religion, color, or gender.


Sorry but Warren Jeff's is not, not, not a good representation of Mormonism and could be added to Marilyn's list of zealots above...
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Ok, I think I need to go to back to bed, because when I first read the post title for the poll I thought it said.....Moron, and I was thinking why would someone knowingly vote for a Moron....
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I started this poll because I am Mormon and I hear so many people saying they will not vote for a Mormon. Warren Jeff's is NOT a Mormon, he never has been, he belongs to an off shoot that practices pologamy. If you want to actually know what we believe here is a website that just tells the basics.
13 Articles of Faith - Mormon Beliefs - ReligionFacts
We ARE Christian. We believe in Christ as our Savior. A Christian is "a person professing belief in Jesus as the Christ or in the religion based on the teaching of Jesus. (This is from Websters)” Our Church is centered on Christ, hence the official name... The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. We have great family values, we teach no sex before marriage and monogamy after...
don't smoke, don't drink, don't do drugs.(Teachings as a whole, of course there are always exceptions).
I hope this clarifies things for everyone...
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I just don't believe that faith based initiatives have any place in the government.
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Ok, I think I need to go to back to bed, because when I first read the post title for the poll I thought it said.....Moron, and I was thinking why would someone knowingly vote for a Moron....
Oh, there are SOOOOO many jokes I can make about that....who would vote for a MORON?? But, I won't go there. I'm already in enough trouble around here!
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I started this poll because I am Mormon and I hear so many people saying they will not vote for a Mormon. Warren Jeff's is NOT a Mormon, he never has been, he belongs to an off shoot that practices pologamy. If you want to actually know what we believe here is a website that just tells the basics.
13 Articles of Faith - Mormon Beliefs - ReligionFacts
We ARE Christian. We believe in Christ as our Savior. A Christian is "a person professing belief in Jesus as the Christ or in the religion based on the teaching of Jesus. (This is from Websters)” Our Church is centered on Christ, hence the official name... The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. We have great family values, we teach no sex before marriage and monogamy after...
don't smoke, don't drink, don't do drugs.(Teachings as a whole, of course there are always exceptions).
I hope this clarifies things for everyone...
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I'm glad you said this, Becky.

I think the reason people should consider a politician's faith is to see if it might be an indicator that their faith OR principles are similiar to yours. As a voter, I think we should look for attributes in a person that are similar to us. One way to do that is to know a person's religion, and also to know their level of belonging/subscribing to the teachings/rituals of their religion.

The Mormon faith is not as different from most of ours as many of us think. If anything, Mormons are traditionally taught to be even MORE moral than most.

This discussion probably helps us to separate the extremists/polygamists from the 'traditional' Mormons (sorry to use the word 'traditional - I know it has earned a different sort of distinction around here lately ) Then we can look at a Mormon candidate with more understanding of what that truly brings.
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The Mormon faith is not as different from most of ours as many of us think.
My experience is to the contrary. The more I learn about Mormon, the more I'm stunned by how VERY different it is from my Presbyterian faith.

I don't disagree that many Mormons are kind and moral people.
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I would not vote for a Mormon.
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Why not? I would vote for who ever can do the best. I think there was a problem with Kennedy being Catholic,if I remember correctly.
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Here is a website with common misconceptions and some answers to what Mormons believe.

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