San Francisco Anti-War Rally, October 27, 2007

Okay, okay. I'm sorry. I can't help myself. It makes me so angry. We live in the greatest country in the world. We have more freedom, more prosperity, more of everything and yet many of our own citizens still hate us. I just don't get it. Many of you have husbands laying their lives on the line so that these "people" can have the freedom to spew this crap. Can't at least norther CA just declare independence and maybe go join Russia and get it over with? If you are from norther CA and disagree. I'm so sorry. Who are these crazy people?

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After all these years, I see that I was mistaken about Eve in the beginning; it is better to live outside the Garden with her than inside it without her.

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You seem to not get the difference between hating Americans with people hating what Bush & Co. have done to this country. Yes, Greg, they are people and they have just as much right to "spew this crap," as you so nicely put it, as you have to spew yours. Who are the crazy people who support Bush??? Why do they hate America so much?

More and More I get the feeling you post your "opinion" just to stir up crap and draw traffic to your sight. If I for one minute thought that you were sincere in your outrage--I'd banter and discuss with you. But, since I think you're just a shameless attention hound, I won't comment on the article or the pictures that you linked to.

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Mental that one, I'm telling you. ---Ron Weasley, "Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets"

I feel the same ........

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Not to mention, I don't appreciate a link being posted that leads to the word PISS in big bold letters. Come on.....if you want a real true discussion about something, that's one thing, but, honestly, I think this is ridiculous.

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I've always had a problem with that statement. I am from Germany, and I tell you, we had more "freedom" there than here. Here are a few small examples: I never heard of a dress code before I came here, kids are not dragged through school until they are 18 against their will, universities are VERY cheap to attend, and even the lowest job gives you 6 paid weeks of vacation (and most people can actually afford to go on vacation).
This is for those of you who are now saying: Why don't you go back where you came from? I like America. I will like it a lot more once there is a different president. I might even become a citizen then because Americans are a nice people (with a few exceptions ) and America is not bad - Nirvana it's not, though! Northern Cali would be a good place to live ...

I did not see a single sign that mentioned Bush at all.

I think it's awful, the things these people are saying about our military. The long banner is particularly offensive.

Sounds like you like it alot!!!! You could at least thank the United States for freeing Germany in WWII and I hope you have respect for the men who fought and died so that Germany didnt stay a Nazi state....unbelievable....Sherri

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well thers 5 minutes of my life I'll never get back

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I live in California (and as a matter of fact was born and lived within 20 miles of S.F. for the first 30 years of my life) and it really is too bad you are such a biased individual who condemns everyone with the same paintbrush. Californians come in all shapes, sizes, colors, polital bents, educational levels, etc. Sorry we cannot compete with PA which, apparently, has only one thought in the collective minds of all people who reside there. If all Americans were as narrow-minded as you paint yourself to be, perhaps not just California, but anywhere that has free-thinking people of differing opinions should declare themselves independent from single-minded, narrow-minded people who do not believe in free-speech and free-thinking.

If you want to continue to spout such vitriol and hatred, perhaps you should do so in a political forum which, as MC Prez, I assume you could initiate at any time you wish.

I really want to put you in my ignore lists--but since you are the "MC Prez" I am concerned that your apparent wish to censor people might put my membership here in jeopardy.

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Have the courage to be yourself.

I agree wholeheartedly!!!!! Yes these people have the right to say and do as they please....but men fought and died to give them these freedoms and I think they grossly misuse them....This is what these men of the past and present have died for....it is a total disgrace....Sherri

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ITA! I feel like this is only being posted to "stir the pot".

Greg, we love a good debate, but politics & religion......not so much....

Bringing traffic to the site would likely be Greg's responsbility and job......

Greg, I think you're going to have to start calling some member a bad mother or a liar or sleazebag, dig up some dirt or contradiction, accuse someone of hoarding deals or using fradulent coupons, find a woman in the public spotlight who is rich and successful who has made a minor mis-step in her life or is openly gay, or start deleting a few posts or threads here and there if you want to get the flames started.

cj/

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I was walking home one night and a guy hammering on a roof called me a paranoid little weirdo. In morse code. -Emo Phillips

I dont usually jump into these discussions but what the heck, it is keeping me from cleaning right now.


I think you can disagree with a President and their policies and still support the troops. I dont think calling people who are doing what they are ordered to do terrorists is really productive. Why not try to make differences in other ways? Find a candidate that you can support and put effort into getting them elected. Donate money to that candidate.

I am sure there are other more productive ways to get the point across without insulting and degrading our military members.

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Sell crazy some place else, we are all stocked up here.

Talking about freedom can sometimes replace making sure we actually stay free. I have noticed that Americans will often talk about how free this country is at the same time rights are being eroded, and it does creep me out a bit.

I'm not sure why anyone should feel obligated to defend someone whose politics they disagree with in the name of patriotism. A free country should allow its occupants to question and improve its policies. I'm also not sure how many generations after a war someone should remain angry. Should I hold it against you that the country I was born in was involved in WWII before the US was? Is that to my credit, even though I wasn't born then, and I don't live there now? Isn't that about as relevant as holding the Nazis against someone who had no say in the matter?

I don't mean this as a personal attack, but I was surprised by your post, and by some of the attitudes I've seen here. I usually avoid political threads, because they tend to devolve quickly, and cause a lot of ill-will, but criticizing a German for, er, being German, seemed really uncalled for.

a good site that has meaningful content, active posters, etc. DO NOT need the administrators of the site posting crap just to draw traffic to the site. I would bring to your attention Online Coupons | Cash Back! (fatwallet--since MC chooses to auto link) The owner of that site is very active in the site, but I have yet to see him post anything as vile and hateful as some of the stuff that Greg has posted. And is you aren't familiar w/ Fatwallet--I will tell you that it is far more successful than MyCoupons.

And please don't anyone make yourself look like a complete idiot by telling me "if you like it so much over there, why don't you just stay over there".

Furthermore I can not BELIEVE someone on this board ATTACKED another poster because of the poster's German heritage/ancestry! Un-freaking-believable

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Mental that one, I'm telling you. ---Ron Weasley, "Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets"

Stick around, nothing from that poster will surprise you after a while.

I love the comments from others to the effect of "you should stop using your freedom to criticize the people who are saving your freedom." Uh -- WTF???

This could be getting off topic here,but, this thread seems to have no purpose other than to stir the pot, so here goes.....

Your statement there reminds me of the states that are trying to make reparations to Black Citizens for slavery. Not one of us alive today owned a slave. Why are these things still being held against us??? Not meaning all Black Citizens are doing this, of course.

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Not sure why you are quoting me...oh, OK, so I am sure....but I digress.....

I wasn't defending Greg's strategy or method, just stating the obvious...that it is part of his job to make for an active couponing site. This is apparently one way that he is attempting to do so. I think it's missing the mark personally.

cj/

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I was walking home one night and a guy hammering on a roof called me a paranoid little weirdo. In morse code. -Emo Phillips

I think you're criticizing the wrong poster. It was Sher that told the German poster that she should be grateful for what the US did 60 years ago. Which is as ridiculous as reparations for black/African-Americans/people of color/whatever today's PC term is.

That statement, too, ticks me off. I've heard it plenty of times, was asked to leave a house one time because of where I'm from. I understood the guy that kicked me out more than I got your statement. He was actually there in WW2, I doubt very much you were. Is it the fact that all the wars after WW2 the US were involved in were complete catastophies that makes people brag about something that happened almost 70 years ago? I was born in 1959, not even my parents were old enough to have anything to do with politics in the 30s. Your statement was a lame attempt of a low blow.

Here is a quote concerning freedom from "The American President":

America isn't easy. America is advanced citizenship. You've gotta want it bad, cause it's gonna put up a fight. It's gonna say 'You want free speech? Let's see you acknowledge a man who's words make your blood boil, and who's standing center stage and advocating at the top of his lungs that which you would spend a lifetime opposing at the top of yours.' You want to claim this land as the land of the free? Then the symbol of your country cannot just be a flag. The symbol also has to be one of it's citizens exercising his right to burn that flag in protest. Now show me that, defend that, celebrate that in your classrooms. Then you can stand up and sing about the land of the free.

I can't believe I'm saying this, but I agree with you...

But you hit the nail on the head, this is a couponing and money saving site. Yes, it has a "chatty" board, but the political stuff doesn't really belong here. It seems like its posted just to rile folks up, as politics & religion discussions often do.

Just my opinion...take it or leave it.

No, no, not criticizing anyone, just saying that things like that make me think of the reparations for Slavery. As far as PC terms, just do what I do....they are Black, and they are Citizens. I think the whole African-American, Italian-American thing feeds the division. Look, are you are American or not??? That is how I look at it. Perhaps they can say they are Americans of African descent???

As they said in Lion King...you have to put your behind in the past I think America is a great place to live. Do we have our downfalls....you betcha. Do we have good points...heck yeah!!! Would I live in another country??? Maybe temporarily, but, I'd always come back to the good old US of A. Freedom of Speech for Everyone. Even these whack jobs that are STILL spewing their hate at Military funerals, even after being ordered to pay $11 million!!! They have the right to say it. I have the right to tell them off BTW, they are from some Baptist church in Kansas, I think....I'm sure someone will come along and correct me if I'm wrong.

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Doing the right thing isn't always the same as doing the easy thing.

ITA. Every word. The only African American I can think of it Charlize Theron.

Nope -- I agree with you.

I am AGAINST the war. I am FOR the people fighting in it. I hope every single one comes home safe. I have sent countless boxes to strangers as well as to my son's best friend, my friend's grandson, etc.

I grew up in SF. It is by far the most enlightened educated city in the country. The people there are for the most part concerned about the well being of our dwindling rights as well as the great loss of life of Iraqis and Americans.

Not every anti war person sees things the same as not every pro war person sees things the same. We all ulitimately want the same things in life. Don't we? Happiness, fulfillment, financial security, laughter, good health and safety for ourselves and our children right? We just see different ways of achieving it. It's like we are all going to Disneyland but some of us are driving, some walking, some taking the bus or the plane but we all hope to see each get there.

And by the way freedom means I can express my views in a responsible adult manner and if I wanted to denounce the war that is my right.

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The political system is broke and it's a joke.

San Fran the most educated and enlightened? Sorry, but I just think they're a bunch of goofball nutjobs.

I think of McG as any other poster here, even tho he is "the boss." He has opinions like everyone else.

I don't think his posting controversial things has an impact on revenue from MC. Why? Because I don't think MC earns a penny of revenue from the boards. In fact, to me, the boards seem to be buried on the website - especially Cafe' posts.

Is there a way to find the boards easily, or am I missing something?

As far as I can tell, you have to go to MyCoupons.com, click the "Community" tab, scroll on past the blog text, and there you'll see the most recent Shopping Board posts that would link someone to a post about a shopping deal. As far as I can tell, Cafe' posts aren't even posted on that list.

It's only if someone figures out how to get to www.mycoupons.com/boards they're not going to know The Cafe' exists. I don't see anywhere that links directly to the /boards page on any main pages within MC.

MC makes its revenue through people using coupon codes, not through posts. Obviously, higher traffic results in being able to tell potential advertisers that the site gets a great number of hits. But if those big hit numbers don't eventually translate to lots of sales through MC links or using MC codes, advertisers will be wary of continuing MC advertising if it costs them.

Unless the boards are front and center on the site, I don't see how they fit into revenue strategy, other than a temporary blip in the number of hits controversial posts generate. If the end result is that the liberals are run off, that results in fewer hits, unless the strategy is then to make the boards front and center on the site and turn it into a blatant conservative coupon mecca.

That's my best analysis.

I did not critize you at all for being German....that you are dreaming up.....and if you will look in another post I made, I said people do have the right to say whatever they want....including me!!! I just get tired of people downing the US all the time...(and yes they have that right), or comparing it to how great their country is, yet they choose to live here in the US....They have that right because men and women have fought and died to give us all that right..we can say whatever we want and live wherever we want....I just made the statement about the US liberating Germany years ago because Germany may not be the country it is today had the UNited States not stepped in and fought for THEIR freedom...I am not angry that you are from Germany, and I am not angry about the US delivering Germany from the Nazi's....I am thankful to God above that I live in the Land of the Free, but that freedom came at a price and it just bothers me how many people take this country for granted or even some ( I am not saying you) act like this is the worse country on earth....We have so much to be grateful for and to me it just seems some are not......Sherri

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I think the same thing about your posts...and I dont believe that I was even referring to you in this thread....and if you can read...you should have read where I said we DO all have the right to say anything in this country...But we are free because of the blood shed 60,70, however many years ago...I just think we should always remember how we gained this freedom and I feel like people abuse the freedom that they have....I dont believe those men fought and died so people could walk around with their posters saying I hate American, ect....(I am not referring to anyone here) It just sickens me that people have the right to stand at a dead marines funeral and hold up signs that he is in hell.....We have abused these freedoms to the extent they were never meant to be used for. SURPRISE!!!!

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"It isn't that liberals are ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so."
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Once again I DID NOT ATTACK her for her german heritage.....My family has german lineage....I would like for someone to show me where I Attacked her.....My neighbor was a wonderful old German lady who I loved more than anything.....you people are missing the point....I in NO way attacked her.....I will not explain my post again....if you all cant understand what I was trying to say...sobeit....Unreal.....Sherri

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Oh get over yourself! 99% of the time--I'm not even looking at who a poster is. Unfortunately FOR YOU, I do not pay attention to you until you start jumping up and down, waving your arms, screaming "LOOK AT ME, LOOK AT ME!" Gawd, your as bad as a spoiled child...

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Mental that one, I'm telling you. ---Ron Weasley, "Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets"

Oh go screw yourself..... Or up your medication .... or something.

cj/

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I was walking home one night and a guy hammering on a roof called me a paranoid little weirdo. In morse code. -Emo Phillips

temper, temper, temper

FYI--I quoted the post because it appeared as if it was in defense of the OP. I didn't even realize who posted it until you started jumping up and down.

Have a nice day!

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Mental that one, I'm telling you. ---Ron Weasley, "Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets"

This didn't show the part that MarilynK was quoting. Another poster was telling her to go screw herself. Now, first of all.....is that any way for an adult to talk??? Go screw yourself???? Not to mention, is that type of posting actually condoned here???

I really think enough is enough!! And, honestly, that is TOO MUCH if you ask me. Even if you don't ask me, it's too much!!!

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Doing the right thing isn't always the same as doing the easy thing.

I'm Canadian. bingding is German, and it was her, or possibly his post you jumped on. We're both happy to be here, but I don't think either of us owes you any thanks for events you weren't involved in. I don't think either of us should avoid contributing when we have a suggestion to make, or something to give. In a country where the citizens complain at least as often as the immigrants, I'm not sure why you'd focus on just one person.

Just stirring the pot some.

When I saw Greg's post, I thought, "oh good, another interesting topic"!


I am amazed at how quiclkly this conversation degraded. So you don't like the link. So you don't like his supposed motive. Who gives a flip. Move on. Don't post. Good grief...........

It seems to me that some posters just assume the worst in ppl's motives and I just don't understand. If you have a history with a poster, why bother with them???? again.......good grief...............

It would be interesting to see what the results of a world wide poll from all countries would be on the subject "Is the USA the real terrorists?".

See, I don't know if you were here when we had the family board--in case you weren't: The family board was taken away (from by understanding), in part because there were posters who continued to stir the pot, post controversial links, were rude, etc. So, it seems a bit hypocritical for the administrator of the board to come here and do the thing that caused problems last time!

9 times out of 10 I don't even pay attention to who the poster is--if I quote a post it's because of the content of the post--not because of who the poster is!
So, to quote you "Good Grief"!

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Mental that one, I'm telling you. ---Ron Weasley, "Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets"

Sherri, I totally agree with you. We do have freedom here in the U.S. to say pretty much what we want. We shouldn't forget how we got it. My problem with these S.F. people and the so-called church people protesting funerals is they're demeaning our troops, who are only doing what they signed up to do. They do have opposition at the funerals thru the motorcycle vets who show up too. But why should free speech be just a one-way street? Why is it ok for some of the posters on here to think it's ok for these morons to bash our troops in the name of 'free speech' and bash the OP but not ok for someone to say something positive about President Bush or Fox News or anything or anyone else that rubs them the wrong way? Then it's laughed at and jokes made. Hmmm.... where did the 'free speech' go then??

Who's stopping you from saying something positive about President Bush or Fox News? If you can think of something positive to say about those things, go for it.

And the rest of us will exercise our freedom of speech to say what we think. Freedom of speech doesn't mean you get to say it without getting a response.

Yes... and it works both ways..... so don't get your panties in a wad !!

No wads, I promise. Just comments on the great things you'll find to tell us that Bush has done for our country.

...and we are all sucked in again by a little bit of Greg's need to cause drama.

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Umm....this post is a bad joke, right? If not, what a load of craptalk!

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Darlene you've got it! Disagreeing with Bush and Co is not the same as calling our brave troops terrorists. Period. I'm sorry that so many seem to not understand this very important point. When I say the people in the protests are crazy, Bill Clinton and Bill Mahr would agree with me. They are crazy. Our troops are brave and doing us a great service. Our president, not doing such a great job... 9/11 an inside job -- now that is crazy.

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After all these years, I see that I was mistaken about Eve in the beginning; it is better to live outside the Garden with her than inside it without her.

Mark Twain

I'm sorry but calling anything I've posted vile and hateful is a bit outrageous. Do I love my country. Yes. Do I believe that there are people in the world that want to kill us? Yep, they have proved that. Do I love and respect our military? Yes, I'm biased towards the army but now that I'm not 18 any more, I have no interest in a bar fight with a marine.

Am I passionate about staying alive? Yeah, that is sort of important to me. Do I love political debate? Yeah, I can't help it I love it. Do I squash dissent on my boards? Nope == I can take the bashing --- give me all you got!

Oh yeah, my last name is Stoltz --- I'm proud of my German heritage and proud of my great uncle buried in France a few days after D-Day fighting some of my other relations for the freedom of the world against a madman.

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After all these years, I see that I was mistaken about Eve in the beginning; it is better to live outside the Garden with her than inside it without her.

Mark Twain

*sigh* If you read the whole thread and had any sort of comprehension of what you read then you would realize that no one was referring to you when speaking of the German.

And for the record this will be the last time I will respond to you or on any thread you start. You OBVIOUSLY are not interested in intelligent discourse or debate. All you're trying to do is stir the pot and create dissension and chaos on the boards.


And to all the posters who defend MC and the admin--you were not around when MC threw some of their most active posters under the bus (so to speak) and created such a hostile enviroment that many, many, many good people got hurt and left this site never to return. I saw it --didn't want to believe but it did happen.

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Mental that one, I'm telling you. ---Ron Weasley, "Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets"

Marilynnk,

1. I know the posters were not talking about me and Germans.
2. I really am interested in intelligent discourse. Why do you believe otherwise? Are you biased against those who disagree with you and therefore must discount their views as unimportant?
3. NOBODY, not even you is going under any buses ever again. Period. Not going to happen.

I really am interested in different views. I have mine. I'm not shy about sharing them and I welcome debate. No posts have been or will be deleted.

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After all these years, I see that I was mistaken about Eve in the beginning; it is better to live outside the Garden with her than inside it without her.

Mark Twain

What I don't understand is how these people, or the freak shows parading around at military funerals, think they are helping their cause, or getting their message across??? That is what I would like to know. I would honestly like to know how it is they think they are advancing their agenda???

I doubt any of those people are here on the board, but, if they are, or anyone who thinks like them, I would like to know why it is you think this way???

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Doing the right thing isn't always the same as doing the easy thing.

I`d like to say the same to you. Go screw yourself. Now lets see how long this post lasts.

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Closed due to length, feel free to start another.

Please remember to be civil to each other. Certain comments are just not necessary.

Thanks!

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