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I know you didn't mean the part of going to Jail. But I would understand if it came down to it. Sadly we CANNOT make people care or Understand about having a loss with a Family Member or Memories of things that remind us about losing or coming close to losing a love one... The PE Teacher was out of line for handling it this way and she sounds like a VERY UNCARING person, VERY MEAN SPIRIT Also.. But sadly we can't make her a nicer person or a caring one for that matter. What did the Principle say about her and what she said to your son ? Is HE going to take action on how she handled it ? I'm so sorry this happen Mabear. I hope your son is feeling better now he's with you. I'm also sorry for the loss of his Friends Father. I hope all can find some peace to get thru this. Hugs to all.
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ABSOLUTELY NOT! Being a teacher I have a tendency to know there are two sides, and sometimes our children slant their information to parents in their favor. I feel this was so cold and uncaring. Your child has a right to his feelings! This person may have been a close friend of the family, or as you say he is thinking of his father. This phys ed individual was very WRONG in their response!!! The child should have been asked if they wanted some private time, and or to talk to the school counselor. I would be very hurt and feel the atmosphere in that classroom was not condusive to lives and feelings of the children and their families of our armed service personel. You must be in an area where armed service personel are the norm. In my area there are very few because we are not near a military base. I think your school should have inservice for all staff from a trained counselor from your base to help them with the needs of their children and families. You son suffered so much. His teacher didn't think the individual he was frightened for was worthy of your child's tears. That is the way a child can interpret that teacher's words. I would never want a child to think I was unsympathetic to their needs. I may not be trained to help them, but I can help them get to someone who is. I'm sorry for you and your son...I will keep all of you in my prayers! |
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You are not over reacting at all. I would have been livid. I would also demand answers from the assistant principal as to what course of action the school is going to do towards the teacher, I think something should be done. Her remark was totally uncalled for. I am also sorry for your son's friend's family's loss.
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My son won't even talk to me about what happened....I got my information from the assistant principal who had walked the parent to the PE room to collect her child....usually I always try to get both sides of the story, but this time I got first hand info from someone there, and right now I don't trust myself to talk to the teacher.....The guidance counselor has called since we've been home and would like to stop by and talk to him, which I think is great, and she said I should expect a call from the Superintendant....I didn't file any complaints yet, so I'm thinking they are trying to head that off, I don't know. This whole thing upsets me....DS and I did a video for an inservice at the end of last year that was show at the beginning of the school year this year, giving a childs prespective on Dad being gone, how he felt when he got hurt, and dealing with the fact that he was going back again.....right now I just feel helpless because he doesn't want to talk to me, and I just want to do what I can to make him feel better......
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that is absolutely horrible---I would have probably decked her right then and there.....The whole story is just so sad-glad to hear that the guidance counselor wants to stop by and talk to him; hopefully that will help a bit. So sorry to hear this.
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I'm sorry that happened to your son and how he was treated. I don't think you are overracting. I also feel very sad for your son's friend and family.
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If he were my son, (and I have one) I'd go into his room with him and tell him that it is all right for a boy to cry. That it was a terribly sad thing to happen and that the teacher was wrong to tell him to not act like a girl. (But I wouldn't tear the teacher down in front of him). If you're spiritual I would ask if we could say a prayer together that his dad would be ok and that his friend would have comfort now. And if he'd let me I'd hug him. (Some boys don't want hugs from their moms even though they need them. |
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That's really good advice, slw1
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No excuse for this. I feel so bad for your son. When he opens up again tell him we all support him!!!! He is a brave young man and crying doesn't make him less of a person, in fact it makes him more!!!!! That teacher meeds to be sent to sensitivity training at the VERY LEAST and maybe an apology to your son in front of the class. Give my sympathy to his friends family and thank them for his service. (And your hubbys too)
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I would be livid also. You have every right to be upset. What is wrong with him crying to feel for his friend and be worried about his own father. The teacher should of asked him if he was ok. And sent him to the office to talk to someone or call you. I am so sorry your son was treated this way and I would remove my child from that teachers class. I dont think he should have to put up with someone who is so uncareing. That is a horrible way for a teacher to act.
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IMHO, the first mistake made was the asst. principal walking the mom to PE to collect her son. Knowing the situation, the mom should never have been allowed to collect her child. The child should have been sent for and the mom allowed in private to tell the boy the bad news. I know at my children's school, this most likely would have been done in the counselor(s) office. I also would not take the matter up with the school board. When a situation happens at school, always follow the chain of command starting with the lowest and working your way up. In the process, a parent doesn't want to come off looking like a raving lunatic. Calm, cool and collected is the best course of action. |
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PLEASE assure your son that he did nothing wrong. I don't think parents should disrespect teachers in front of children, BUT, I think your case is an exception. I can't think of anything nice you could say about this teacher or any excuses you could make for him. Your son needs to know that the teacher's remarks were wrong and hurtful and should not be excused! You have every right to be upset. I know that God wants us to forgive but I think HE gives us time to deal with the problem and get ourselves taken care of first! And I think in this case it may take a good long while!
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Mabear, I am so sorry to hear about your son's best friend's dad! I am also so sorry to hear how poorly the teacher and school handled the situation! The PE teacher was absolutely heartless and it was totally uncalled for the way she handled the situation and treated your son. It sounds like she needs to be put on some sort of administrative leave and to have some sensitivity training towards military death, deaths in general as well as how to handle children who have a parent deployed (especially given you are probably in a military area). She also owes your son an apology. I would go to school with him tomorrow and demand you speak to the principal to make sure your son knows he did nothing wrong and that he reacted to his friend's dad's death apropriately. ((((((HUGS))))) to your son! Let us know what happens at school tomorrow. |
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Your 10 year old son certainly is overeacting. Have you thought about getting him professional help? It sounds like he has a problem processing his emotions. It's not 'normal' for a 10 year old boy to have hysterics at school and have his mother come get him. It's not 'normal' for a 10 year old boy to cry hysterically at the very idea that it could have been his father dead instead and I can't say I really blame the teacher. I'm sure that your son's hysterics made a horrible situation much worse for everyone there and she was trying to make him stop working himself up. The other child's father just died and your son immediately shifted the focus to all about himself! I imagine that the teacher found that irritating. In today's politically correct world, it was a mistake for the teacher to tell your son to suck it up and quit acting like a girl but whether you like it or not, she just said what others were thinking. After all, most 10 year old boys don't 'cry like a girl'. Most of them would not do what your son did, especially a soldier's son. It sounds to me like your son needs counseling whether he's Special Needs or not. Obviously, he's having major difficulty with his fears and needs help. He needs to talk to someone about it. Blaming the teacher for not being understanding enough might make you feel better but it won't help your son get better. If I were you, I would concentrate on helping my son instead of wasting time trying to shift the focus to the teacher's reaction to your son's problem. Last edited by cougarskies; 11-20-2007 at 03:54 AM. |
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Good grief, I can't believe what I just read. ![]() Some might not think it's not 'normal' to be uncaring and thoughtless, but you see, there's all kinds of normal out there. We're talking about a 10 year old human being here who just shipped his father off to a war zone. He can damn well cry if he needs and wants to. Holy smokes....I hope you will think better of that post and make some edits/mods before the day gets rolling here... cj/
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wowsa, Just how was this 10 year old suppose to react to the fact his best friends Father was killed in the same place as his own father is serving ? Doesn't learning how to control ones emotions come with experience ? with having dealt with death on a personal bases ?, This might be the closes this child has EVER been to death with someone he knows. I'm sure if they are best friends they have spent time with each others families. The Death of the boy's Father might rank up there as being a 2nd father to him *meaning the OP's child*. As far as ANYONE knows this child might have a very close relationship with the Father that as killed. The message she is sending to children that have family members serving this country is to OVER COME your fears and if someone does die you should SUCK IT UP. Child lack the ability to understand about death. They don't know what to do with emotions that come with this. They react the best way they know how and thats to be UPSET, When My Father died the day before Easter this year, My 8 year old had a really hard time understanding this, His GREATEST FEAR was me or his daddy would be next, My 5 year old kept telling "Papaw" wake up wake up Papaw, It was the most HEART BREAKING words to hear even for the ADULTS that were there.Children have a right to their feelings and emotions just as adults do, When a child becomes over emotional thats when an ADULT should RE ASSURE the child it will be OKAY or try to talk the child out of being so fearful it might happen to them or someone they love also. NOT tell them SUCK IT UP and STOP CRYING LIKE A GIRL, Geshh , This is so cold-hearted, I cant even find words fitting to express how this makes me feel about a person telling a child this However, whether or not the OP's son became upset this DIDN'T give the PE coach the right to tell a child thats just learning of the death to SUCK IT UP, OMG Thats just cruel !! We have Friends in this family that are just as much part of our own family as blood members are. I could never bring myself to tell any of their children to SUCK IT UP if someone died on my side and they became upset over the death. I don't know, but I can only imagine that the OP's son has a lot of RIGHTFUL fears in thinking this could be his daddy.. This child has already been thu the ringer with his own daddy being near death once before there and it rehashed the emotions/ fears from the past once again. Its still CRUEL AND Not what an adult should have said to the child.The comment on STOP CRYING LIKE A GIRL, WTH?? OMG, where did that come from ?? What this Teacher has NEVER cried from the pits of her heart before?? how dare she tell ANY child to stop crying like a girl. what did this child do to get a comment like that slammed in his face ? My husband lost his Boss man nearly 9 years ago, when he called me to tell me the news he could barely speak from crying. This wasn't even his Father, however, They had a very close relationship with each other for 21 years before his death. It was like RELIVING his own Father's death again. Never would I have told him to SUCK IT UP OR STOP CRYING LIKE A GIRL. Geshh, you cant get much cold hearted that this. God forbid her own parents death knocks at her door , Guess she will JUMP WITH JOY with the news after all we shouldn't cry like a girl and we should SUCK IT UP UNREAL.
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I teach in a military town, and have a dh who was active duty for 8 years, and went to Iraq 4 times. Out of 16 students, over 1/2 have a parent in Iraq right now, or going soon. I just can't believe she said that to him. I am hoping that perhaps she thought she was kidding with him (of course, that is still out of line, but in my mind better than her actually meaning it to him). You should meet with that teacher ASAP W/ the assistant principal. Your school should offer deployment counseling groups... Our school has to (think it is district policy). It would probably be helpful for him to talk to someone outside of school as well. |
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cougarskies, Giving your opinion is one thing but slamming a 10 yr old whose father is serving this country to protect YOUR unappreciative self is another. I think you obviously need some counseling yourself, have you considered getting some help? After all someone who can't understand a 10 yr old boy crying no matter what the reason is really isn't normal at all. You obviously don't know anything about children. I think you must need some attention, did someone wake up on the wrong side of the bed this morning?? Awww poor widdle thing maybe you need to go back to bed and then try to start over again.Go look at yourself in the mirror and ask yourself, What do I want to be when I grow up? |
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I can't believe what Cougarskies wrote.... what the heck is wrong with you? It is perfectly normal to act this way for a 10 yr old or even for anyone at any age. When your loved one is serving in the same place as your best friends father was killed it is perfectly normal to cry. Even if you dont have a loved on or father serving there it is perfectly normal to cry for your friend or the loss of life. Why would you say something so negative about a 10yr old child!!!! Whose father was injured the last time he was there and almost loss his life at that time. Are you so insensitive that the loss of someones life isn't sad to you? There is NOTHING wrong with this little boy.... There is something wrong with you. |
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Hello, mabear74! From one military family to another, BIG HUGS!! Sending thoughts and prayers out to you as well as to the family of our fallen soldier. With all of the stresses that we as military families deal with during deployment, the comments/actions of the teacher was the last thing that you need right now. I hope that the school takes proper action against the teacher. cougarskies, I have many things that I would like to say to you BUT will refrain from stooping to your maturity level. I will say this to you though that YOU should be thanking families like mabear74's and many others here instead of attacking at any given chance. Without men like her husband and others here, YOU would not have the FREEDOM to spew the garbage that you do. Debbie |
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QUOTE It's not 'normal' for a 10 year old boy to cry hysterically at the very idea that it could have been his father dead instead and I can't say I really blame the teacher. I'm sure that your son's hysterics made a horrible situation much worse for everyone there and she was trying to make him stop working himself up. The other child's father just died and your son immediately shifted the focus to all about himself! Excuse me, but are you an educator? Have you raised a pack of boys? Are you connected to the military in any way? I have to say YOU are WAY OFF in my opinion. If there is one thing we have experienced after 7 school systems in 7 assignments, it is that most educators are NOT well versed in handling these types of situations regarding the military. To say that a soldier's son should not cry is ABSURD!!! It doesn't matter that it was not his own father. This child has had more than his fair share of worry. I know that 10 year old boys cry -- my son does. We have discussed the fact that he is the "man of the house" when Dad is deployed or TDY. It is not a role that he asked for, he simply takes it upon himself to step up and help his mom and his sisters do the things that he feels are his responsibility. He hates to see me cry over anything, he attempts to comfort those around him and he shares in the worry that his classmates have had concerning their family members. Military children are a unique breed...they should not be handled in the same manner as their civilian counterparts. Our life is different from civilian life. Telling a child to suck it up because they are a soldier's son is not going down the right path. I have explained to my children that while they have no control over what our lifestyle brings, they do have control over their choices. My children are proud of their dad, with good right, and they deserve to be respected by their community. Mabear, I would also check in with your school liason if you are near or on a military base. If not, perhaps MCEC MCEC::MILITARY CHILD EDUCATIONAL COALITION could be of assistance. They are making great headway in assiting educators regarding the unique needs of these children/ |
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Mabear I am so sorry for what Cougar said to you. Apparently SHE needs some counseling. I guess no one close to her ever died before. I hope and pray she doesn't have kids because if she was that heartless towards your DS I'd feel real bad for her children if someone close to them passed away. I would post more but she isn't worth my time or anyone else's for that matter. Please let us know what happends to the teacher who was so heartless. Please give your DS a hug from me and also pass my smpathy on to his friend's family.
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Unreal! But i believe it because i'v seen so much of this crap in the past from people. Cougar how can you be so uncaring and heartless? Just because a boy cries and shows emotions does not make him a girl or anything of the sort at all. It shows that he is a caring normal person and the subject is very senstive to him and that shows he has heart. What ever happend to if you have nothing nice to say don't say it at all. Yes we have right to our opinions, but for god sakes completely slamming a 10 yr that you don't know a thing about is really over stepping the line here. You have no right to say that this boy has emotional problems and it seems to me that you have more problems then anyone does. I think your the one that needs counseling and therapy.
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I am so sorry about this. I would have really lost it if she said this to my son. You are not over reacting!! You are a mother concerned about her child! What kind of person is this teacher. Sending hugs! Shirley |
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Sorry you had to read that ridculous post. He sounds like a loving, sensitive young man to me. I was just thinking about how my now 23 year old would have reacted had he been in the same situation at that age and he might have done the same thing. He has a heart of GOLD so be proud!!!! Your son may need counseling just because this is a very difficult situation for a child to be in NOT because there is anything wrong with him. He's sounds like a good kid!!!! I wonder why the moderators would let that post be put on.
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While many people have fathers, mothers, brothers, sisters, etc serving in the war, I'd guess the majority of us do not. This young man and his friend and all the kids whose parents are deployed are in a unique situation that most people won't understand. Knowing that your father is in a dangerous situation day in and day out must be terrifying. A ten year old is a young child and for a teacher to tell him to "suck it up" it unconscionable. It's heartless, cold, mean spirited and selfish. Cougarskies, you wrote: "In today's [B]politically correct world, it was a mistake for the teacher to tell your son to suck it up and quit acting like a girl but whether you like it or not, she just said what others were thinking." Regardless of our constant efforts to be politically correct, it was poor judgment on the teacher's part and just plain wrong. And sometimes it's not ok to say what you're thinking.
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Mabear I am so sorry to hear of all this. I had goosebumps and tears reading what happened. My heart goes out to you, your son and your son's friend and family. I just can't even imagine. LOTS OF HUGS!!!! You are in no way over re-acting! The behavior of the PE teacher is digusting!! |
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Cougarskies....I don't even know what to say or how to express what I am thinking about your awful post. I honestly do not know how a person can be so heartless and cold. I sure hope you do not have children and if you do GOD HELP THEM!! Do you even tell your family you love them? Geez....
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I now remember why I have a certain person on "ignore". I am so sorry your son was treated like that. You are not over reacting at all............and neither was your son. My DD is in Iraq right now with the 412th CAB. She's working as a combat medic and she won't talk to me about it. All I know is that she's seen some pretty rough stuff. My prayers are with you, your son and your DH.
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Now there is an idea, I just put on my ignore list, and I don't mind sharing that info in hopes that others will do the same and we can get rid of that kind of negativity. ![]() bye bye to cougarskies!!! OP I am so sorry that there are people in this world that don't appreciate what your husband and so many other families are going through right now serving this country, what does that say? Military families deserve so much more respect then what they get. |
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This thread has bothered me all day. I can't even begin to imagine how mabear feels.....{{{HUGS}}}} I find so many occasions on this board to give positive rep....and so few to give negative....but this was definitely one that deserved it. ![]() God...just so nasty......can't get over it... cj/
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Whether you're overeacting depends on whether your son has a diagnosed problem and the teacher already knows that he's unable to control himself. Is he in a special needs class at school? Your 10 year old son certainly is overeacting. Have you thought about getting him professional help? It sounds like he has a problem processing his emotions. It's not 'normal' for a 10 year old boy to have hysterics at school and have his mother come get him. It's not 'normal' for a 10 year old boy to cry hysterically at the very idea that it could have been his father dead instead and I can't say I really blame the teacher. I'm sure that your son's hysterics made a horrible situation much worse for everyone there and she was trying to make him stop working himself up. The other child's father just died and your son immediately shifted the focus to all about himself! I imagine that the teacher found that irritating. In today's politically correct world, it was a mistake for the teacher to tell your son to suck it up and quit acting like a girl but whether you like it or not, she just said what others were thinking. After all, most 10 year old boys don't 'cry like a girl'. Most of them would not do what your son did, especially a soldier's son. It sounds to me like your son needs counseling whether he's Special Needs or not. Obviously, he's having major difficulty with his fears and needs help. He needs to talk to someone about it. Blaming the teacher for not being understanding enough might make you feel better but it won't help your son get better. If I were you, I would concentrate on helping my son instead of wasting time trying to shift the focus to the teacher's reaction to your son's problem. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Last edited by cougarskies : 11-20-2007 at 03:54 AM. wow, must be nice to be you-so heartless w/ no compassion. Did you REALLY just say this out loud?????????????? cougarskies View Public Profile Send a private message to cougarskies Find all posts by cougarskies Add cougarskies to Your Buddy List |
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1. mabear, my sympathies to your son's friend and family 2. you were in no way overreacting 3. I agree the AP should not have escorted the mom to the room 4. Some things about this board (ie certain people) never change, do they? Sigh |
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mabear, disregard thoughtless remarks from other members on this board. There is always one (or more)! I would write a letter to the principal regarding how the teacher handled the issue. State the facts exactly as the Vice-Principal stated them to you. If you let it slide she may be inclided to repeat her actions. (Which, if your son goes to school with other GI Brats (no-disrespect intended) she may be able to handle the situation better if, God forbid, it comes up again) This way, you will feel better getting it off your chest and the principal and teacher will have to respond. Plus a copy of the letter will go into her personnel file. |
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Thank You for all the support....I was a bit hesitant to update this thread. As things stand right now the Teacher is administrative leave, pending the next school board meeting. The guidance counselor came and spent over an hour with my son, then that night we went and spent the evening with his friends family. My DS sat and talked to and consoled his friend all night long. I was very proud of him, We have been supplying them with dinners, they have a lot of family flying in, and I spent most of my day yesterday getting Class A's ready for the funeral, and helping to plan the funeral. I hope to never find myself in their position. The teacher is on admistrative leave because the incident with my Ds has not been the only incident. This was "issue" number 5 of the school year. We are moving past it, and in some ways the situation has been good for DS, he got to see that adults make mistakes, and also that even though if feels like slow motion,if something does happen Life will go on. And for those who suggested Counseling (with no malice intended) My son is in counseling and has been for the past month and half. I think that everyone needs an outlet to unload, and my son who feels like he is the man of the house when dad is gone will not talk to me about many things for fear of upsetting me, so he has a great counselor that he can talk to, and that he can call anytime if needed.
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I am happy to hear that you are both trying to get past this. ![]() It is so nice of you to be there for that family! It has to be difficult for you. As for that teacher, it is about time they are taking action! ![]() Sending hugs, Shirley ![]() |
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OP your son does not need help! He sounds like a fine young man who does not feel that he has to put on a manly man front. Every human being in this world has a right to their feelings and it is not up to others to judge those feelings! This boys father is fighting for our country and you are going to chastise him for being sad about it. I am going to assume that you were not close to your Daddy or not loved enough as a child to have such negative feelings toward people/children having feelings. |
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I also agree that the OP's DS may be having some major difficulties w/ his fears and needs some help--which the OP says is happening. The situation should have never have ocurred! The child should have been pulled out of class and told in private. The teacher was in wrong in her response and her reaction was completely inappropriate...
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OP, your son sounds like one of those friends we all wish our kids had. Be proud.
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MaBear, I'm soooo glad you and your son are doing well, but I am going to close this thread for now. Feel free to open a new one if needed........Karrie
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