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View Poll Results: What is your race/ethnicity?
Hispanic/Latino 1 0.76%
African-American/Black 2 1.52%
Eastern Indian 0 0%
Native American 1 0.76%
Caucasian 117 88.64%
Asian 1 0.76%
Middle Eastern 0 0%
Inuit/Eskimo 1 0.76%
Mix of several 7 5.30%
Other/None of the above 2 1.52%
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Old 01-29-2008, 08:39 AM
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Is The Cafe racially diverse? What is your race/ethnicity?

Every survey out there looks for the race or ethnicity of its participants. So, I got to wondering if the group here is racially diverse?


race [ rayss ] (plural rac·es) noun

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1. group of humans: one of the groups into which the world's population can be divided on the basis of physical characteristics such as skin or hair color


What is your race/ethnicity? Only 10 choices, so apologies in advance if I missed anyone!

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I'm Irish on my Mom's side, and German on my Dad's. What does that make me?
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I'm Irish on my Mom's side, and German on my Dad's. What does that make me?
Me too.
So, I'm wondering as well?
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Caucasian.
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Old 01-29-2008, 01:16 PM
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Irish, German, Scottish and Native American.

I'm taking into consideration all of my heritage, not just mom/dad and grandparents.
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Old 01-29-2008, 02:03 PM
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Scots Irish, English, Welsh, Native American

and I am sure a few others

I usually just say general american mutt. I am a little bit of a lot of different things.
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Old 01-29-2008, 02:26 PM
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Well I am Caucasian. I do not like that word. sorry all...
My heritage is Polish and Indian. I've been called a dumb Indian before.. Not to start trouble but I laugh every time I get called that!

Don't even ask me where the Irish came from....its a long story!
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Old 01-29-2008, 02:40 PM
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Technically I am Italian which meant something in San Francisco where I grew up. But I am basically your typical brunette green eyed white girl. I would love to be around more ethnic people alas it is mostly white bread around here.
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Well I am Caucasian. I do not like that word. sorry all...
I don't think I've ever heard anyone say that before. Why? What's to dislike about the word 'Caucasian'?
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I don't think I've ever heard anyone say that before. Why? What's to dislike about the word 'Caucasian'?

Me either, maybe another good post. But another thing that is surprising is out of 57 votes 55 are caucasian. For some reason I thought we would have a big mix going on.
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I don't think of my self as just caucasian anymore, because my husband is hispanic, and we have 3 children (with another on the way). I know he doesn't think of himself as just hispanic either. I think of myself as mixed, more than anything, especially since my kids are. Plus, I guess I have hispanic blood in me right now, can I change my vote?
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LOL so far I'm the only spanish person who voted?
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I understand having a problem with the term caucasian. What is caucasian really?
It is a catch all phrase for a group of very different people. It really is too broad a term. Then again, Why do we really even need the label?
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My mother is mexican and my father is irish,scottish and polish.I just voted mix of several.
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Me either, maybe another good post. But another thing that is surprising is out of 57 votes 55 are caucasian. For some reason I thought we would have a big mix going on.

I thought so too; I'm a bit surprised. I am caucasian. I prefer to say "White." Is that evem politically correct anymore?
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I understand having a problem with the term caucasian. What is caucasian really?
It is a catch all phrase for a group of very different people. It really is too broad a term. Then again, Why do we really even need the label?
Crime, for one. The idiots here put out a wanted poster for a serial rapist. They listed the gender, height, weight, and eye color (brown). Nowhere did they mention the race! Hello? That would be nice to know! Brown eyes tell me nothing. Every race has brown eyes. Am I supposed to be on the lookout for a Caucasion, Hispanic, Black, Middle Easterner, Asian, etc.? All I know is that the serial rapist is a man. Duh, I could have guessed that much!

As for Caucasion being a catch all phrase for a group of very different people and too broad a term, aren't they all? The Chinese and Japanese are different, as are Koreans. Ditto for African Americans (who BTW, don't all come from Africa), Hispanic is an incredibly broad term.

And what makes the Caucasion classification offensive and all the other race classifications not offensive?

We have to have the 'labels'. I guess in Utopia, we can all just love one another and physical differences won't need to be mentioned but here in America with the soaring crime rate, we need them to search for all the criminal suspects.
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I understand having a problem with the term caucasian. What is caucasian really?
It is a catch all phrase for a group of very different people. It really is too broad a term. Then again, Why do we really even need the label?

It's a descriptive.

You can't just give out a description of a 6', medium build man, w/ brown hair and hazel eyes of the man that held you at gunpoint--you have to be able to say caucasion, african american, native american, hispanic, oriental, etc. And with the descriptive you also have some clues as to where this person might be located (and yes, most major cities have a "black" neighborhood, hispanic, chinese/laotion/korean, etc neighborhood).

And while my heritage is varied--I am caucasion! There is no other way to describe. I do not fit the physical characteristics of any other race. I could go into great detail of the varying physical traits/characteristics that each race (descriptive) has, but is it necessary?
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but here in America with the soaring crime rate, we need them to search for all the criminal suspects.
I don't know where you live but crime has been dropping steadily or holding steady in most parts of the country. I was just looking at the preliminary stats for 2007 on the FBI site, and if I am reading them correctly, except in the south, things are holding pretty good. In the south, murder, burglary and theft are up and other than that, everything else is down throughout the country.

I guess the moral of that is, if any of you live in the south, it may be time to move, unless you need to be close enough to the prison for visitation days.
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I don't know where you live but crime has been dropping steadily or holding steady in most parts of the country. I was just looking at the preliminary stats for 2007 on the FBI site, and if I am reading them correctly, except in the south, things are holding pretty good. In the south, murder, burglary and theft are up and other than that, everything else is down throughout the country.

I guess the moral of that is, if any of you live in the south, it may be time to move, unless you need to be close enough to the prison for visitation days.
Sorry but it's a dumb moral. The South surely doesn't have a monopoly on crime and if it did, wouldn't all the Southerners bring the crime with them in this mass exodus to the North and West? LOL

I'm really not sure what you're disputing. That there's no problem with crime because the rate ISN'T soaring? It seems to me that the number of terrible crimes is far higher now than 5 years ago but let's say, the crime rate is steady. Do you know how high 'steady' is? Steady is still horrifying.

So your point is that we shouldn't identify criminals by race because hey, the crime rate is steady? Just let the millions of people in the South move to another part of the country where it's safer? What about the rest of the United States? Where do they go?

Don't you think it would be easier and cheaper just to list the race of the suspects?
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And what makes the Caucasion classification offensive and all the other race classifications not offensive?

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I did not say it was offensive nor did I say the other race classifications were not. I will not make this thread a racial one. All I said is that I do not like the classification of Caucasian. I am white . That is what I prefer to be called.

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I'm sorry IrishBlonde but I had to crack up when you said. "I don't want to make this thread a racial one" isn't that exactly what it's about.........lol

I kind of know what you mean about the word caucasion......but then again....who cares. Good greif, we do need labels for many reasons, ppl need to ralax and stop thinking about being offended all the time.

I am completely shocked that the majority of ppl on this board are caucasion. I never would have guessed it. hhmmm...
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Yes it was funny, but I could not think of any other way to say it. I know we are talking about races, but I was not going to make it a black, white purple or brown thread. I really don't care what ya call me as to what race I am, I know I am white

, I just don't really know where they get the word Caucasion. I guess I will just have to google that one. lol. I guess what I am trying to say is I am white. I can go into what other "races" want to be called but I wont. Because I am not them. Nor can they speak for me. I am leaving this thread go for now, before I stick my foot in my mouth . I don't want another MC war starting .
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Old 01-29-2008, 09:02 PM
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I don't think I've ever heard anyone say that before. Why? What's to dislike about the word 'Caucasian'?
I understand what Irish means - I don't like it either only because it encompasses such a vast diversity of people.

Why can't there be European-Americans? I mean there is a classification for every other geographic heritage.

It's not offensive. It's like being slighted.

If it comes down to brass-tacks, aren't we all Native Americans (those of us born in the US). If you are born in a specific state, you say, I'm a Native New Yorker or I'm a Native Texan. (Please, no disrespect intended to anyone of American Indian decent)

I personally never put in my ethnicity on any survey, if for any reason it's mandatory I put "other". If people would just stop classifying other people it would make the world a lot better.
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Sorry but it's a dumb moral. The South surely doesn't have a monopoly on crime and if it did, wouldn't all the Southerners bring the crime with them in this mass exodus to the North and West? LOL

I'm really not sure what you're disputing. That there's no problem with crime because the rate ISN'T soaring? It seems to me that the number of terrible crimes is far higher now than 5 years ago but let's say, the crime rate is steady. Do you know how high 'steady' is? Steady is still horrifying.

So your point is that we shouldn't identify criminals by race because hey, the crime rate is steady? Just let the millions of people in the South move to another part of the country where it's safer? What about the rest of the United States? Where do they go?

Don't you think it would be easier and cheaper just to list the race of the suspects?
Hey I was only disputing your exageration of the amount of crime. Crime is mostly dropping, not soaring. I made no references to who is committing the crimes. As for listing the race of the suspects, I see no reason to not mention it, not that it will help anyone. If you find someone climbing in your window at night, it really doesn't matter does it? Nor was I seriously advocating a mass exodus from the south.

If you keep saying things people will begin to believe them. "Soaring crime" is one of those things. You may be frightened of "soaring crime" but there is no need to spread your fear. I don't believe that there is more crime but I do believe the media hypes it to the point that it's easy to believe there is. If there is not some murdered person being talked about continuously on shows like Greta Van whatshername and others, then all you have to do is look at what the TV shows are putting out. Between CSI, Law and Order, Without a Trace, The Closer, etc., on any given night, in fact 24 hours a day, there are people being maimed, raped and murdered in the name of entertainment.

Here are the stats for 2007.
Table 1 -Preliminary January through June 2007

I found it interesting that though the percentages are dropping almost across the board, that murders in cities with populations of 50,000 to 99,000 was up. And cities with over a million had a fair decline in murder rates. And as I said earlier, these are preliminary numbers and I think missing a lot of data.

The only place crime is "soaring" is on TV.
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As for listing the race of the suspects, I see no reason to not mention it, not that it will help anyone. If you find someone climbing in your window at night, it really doesn't matter does it?

I found it interesting that though the percentages are dropping almost across the board, that murders in cities with populations of 50,000 to 99,000 was up. And cities with over a million had a fair decline in murder rates. And as I said earlier, these are preliminary numbers and I think missing a lot of data.

The only place crime is "soaring" is on TV.
Uh huh. And you actually believe every statistic you read? There's no point in me telling you how easily crime statistics are fudged because you're determined to argue a silly point. I'm glad for you if you believe that crime is dropping. I have no doubt that it makes you feel more secure and that's great but if someone crawls through my window, then I will certainly 'mention' (ROFL!) the burglers race if I'm able to fill out the police report. Just on the off chance that it might NARROW the field for the police. You don't have a very high opinion of the police, do you? I don't know the kind of investigative capabilities your force has, but mine does pretty well on catching burglars. Of course that could be because people in my community HELP them by being as descriptive as possible.

And soaring, dragging, dropping, whatever, I doubt any one of the hundreds of thousands of crime victims each year will be comforted with your positive crime statistics, especially the families of the murder victims but it's good to know I no longer need home security. Kind of a waste of money with this fabulous 'crime decline'. Good to know. Thanks for sharing.
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Wow, I'm surprised also that we aren't more diverse.
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I guess the moral of that is, if any of you live in the south, it may be time to move, unless you need to be close enough to the prison for visitation days.
I would've posted an answer to the poll but I was too busy burglarizing my neighborhood. Oh, and please make sure you all pay your taxes, I would like to eat well while I'm in prison.

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I am a human being.. I may be black, I may be Korean, I may be from France living here since I was 7, or from Mexico and living here since birth, I may also be from Cuba smuggled in under my grandmother shirt on a boat.. my answer is I am a human being. I teach my kids color is nothing to do with anything (meaning if you are black/Korean you don't deserve better/worse from anyone). Color is only skin color and if we all close our eyes we are all the same color.. eyeball inside color .. so my answer is Human being.
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1) If you are C-A-U-C-A-S-I-A-N and your children are biracial, you're still C-A-U-C-A-S-I-A-N
2) Irish=C-A-U-C-A-S-I-A-N
3) We are all human beings, but that was not the question.

My answer is: I am C-A-U-C-A-S-I-A-N, no matter how many European countries you add to the mix.

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I am a human being.. I may be black, I may be Korean, I may be from France living here since I was 7, or from Mexico and living here since birth, I may also be from Cuba smuggled in under my grandmother shirt on a boat.. my answer is I am a human being. I teach my kids color is nothing to do with anything (meaning if you are black/Korean you don't deserve better/worse from anyone). Color is only skin color and if we all close our eyes we are all the same color.. eyeball inside color .. so my answer is Human being.
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Uh huh. And you actually believe every statistic you read? There's no point in me telling you how easily crime statistics are fudged because you're determined to argue a silly point. I'm glad for you if you believe that crime is dropping. I have no doubt that it makes you feel more secure and that's great but if someone crawls through my window, then I will certainly 'mention' (ROFL!) the burglers race if I'm able to fill out the police report. Just on the off chance that it might NARROW the field for the police. You don't have a very high opinion of the police, do you? I don't know the kind of investigative capabilities your force has, but mine does pretty well on catching burglars. Of course that could be because people in my community HELP them by being as descriptive as possible.

And soaring, dragging, dropping, whatever, I doubt any one of the hundreds of thousands of crime victims each year will be comforted with your positive crime statistics, especially the families of the murder victims but it's good to know I no longer need home security. Kind of a waste of money with this fabulous 'crime decline'. Good to know. Thanks for sharing.
Boy you have a vivid imagination don't you? Talk about taking things out of context. Not only do you exagerate, you don't seem to be able to comprehend what I have written. I got the stats from the FBI but I guess I should listen to you instead? I think not. They can't possibly exagerate or "fudge" facts any more than you. So take a deep breath, unknot your shorts, take a pill, do whatever you need to keep those boogie men at bay.

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C-A-U-C-A-S-I-A-N Is the correct spelling.

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It's a descriptive.

You can't just give out a description of a 6', medium build man, w/ brown hair and hazel eyes of the man that held you at gunpoint--you have to be able to say caucasion, african american, native american, hispanic, oriental, etc. And with the descriptive you also have some clues as to where this person might be located (and yes, most major cities have a "black" neighborhood, hispanic, chinese/laotion/korean, etc neighborhood).

And while my heritage is varied--I am caucasion! There is no other way to describe. I do not fit the physical characteristics of any other race. I could go into great detail of the varying physical traits/characteristics that each race (descriptive) has, but is it necessary?

Very well said, Marilyn.

I don't understand why anyone would find it offensive to "describe" someone as black, white, hispanic, etc: that's all it is........ a "description".
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I would've posted an answer to the poll but I was too busy burglarizing my neighborhood. Oh, and please make sure you all pay your taxes, I would like to eat well while I'm in prison.

Well I would, but I've decided to retire from paying taxes.. So maybe y'all can pack some pralines when they cart you off. Or maybe I could bake you a cake. Did you get anything good in your burglaries?
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Ok..this is driving me crazy...

C-A-U-C-A-S-I-A-N Is the correct spelling.

Sorry, I'm anal about stupid stuff.

haha I wanted to say that exact same thing but I felt bad. lol
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haha I wanted to say that exact same thing but I felt bad. lol

I kinda felt bad...but it was SO bothering me. Sorry ladies!
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I kinda felt bad...but it was SO bothering me. Sorry ladies!
I am the same way. Though im not ALWAYS grammatically on point, I do find myself correcting my friends and family quite often haha
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I don't know where you live but crime has been dropping steadily or holding steady in most parts of the country. I was just looking at the preliminary stats for 2007 on the FBI site, and if I am reading them correctly, except in the south, things are holding pretty good. In the south, murder, burglary and theft are up and other than that, everything else is down throughout the country.

I guess the moral of that is, if any of you live in the south, it may be time to move, unless you need to be close enough to the prison for visitation days.


whats up with this? I have to wonder just where you get your info and where you live. I live in the south and I would bet my upper teeth that where I live, the crime rate is ltos less than where you are.
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The crime rate in Phila is horrific.
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I live in the Atlanta city limits and crime isn't a problem where I live.


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Caucasian, an adjective describing anything from the Caucasus region: from wikipedia

The Caucasus region is mountain range in Russia and I believe technically in asia.

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I`m white. It`s easier to spell. Why has this post turned to crime. I don`t get it.
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let's cut the nonsense we all know why the crime rate is bad, not all are GOD's chosen people.
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let's cut the nonsense we all know why the crime rate is bad, not all are GOD's chosen people.
I bet you are member in good standing of the Westboro Church...
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Old 01-30-2008, 09:51 PM
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let's cut the nonsense we all know why the crime rate is bad, not all are GOD's chosen people.
Aren't the Jews god's chosen people. I guess we should all convert and the crime rate would go down. hmmm you've solved all the worlds problems.
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