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Old 02-06-2008, 09:17 PM
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Britney's Future

I hate to say this but I honestly do not believe that Britney Spears will be alive at the end of the year. And then the media will try to figure out what went wrong, who is to blame. I do not see how that girl can be saved.

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Old 02-06-2008, 09:33 PM
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I agree. And I wish her parents would stop acting so holier than thou - where the heck have they been all this time? If it were my daughter, I wouldn't care if she said she didn't want me around. As her mom who loves her, I'd be there *anyway*.
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Old 02-06-2008, 10:09 PM
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I agree. And I wish her parents would stop acting so holier than thou - where the heck have they been all this time? If it were my daughter, I wouldn't care if she said she didn't want me around. As her mom who loves her, I'd be there *anyway*.
While this sounds nice, Britney is a 26 year old adult with millions and millions of dollars at her disposal. She also apparently lives in a gated community, that can only be accessed by people with permission.
I am guessing if she doesn't want certain people around she can pretty much make that happen.
I know we all like to play armchair psychiatrist, but the truth is you can't help someone who doesn't want it.
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Old 02-06-2008, 10:40 PM
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If she survives this spiraling episode/lifestyle, then I think that the only thing she has left is a "tell all" book. I think her career as a singer and performer are over.
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Old 02-06-2008, 10:49 PM
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I think it is all extremely sad. Sad for her and especially her kids. Did anyone read that they think Sam Lufti has been drugging her? It almost makes you wonder if there is truth in that or is it her parents making an excuse for her mentally.There is a court ordered restraining order on him.

I wish the media would give the girl a break, everyone has judged her and I wonder what kind of sick comments Sarah Silverman and other comedians will be making about this girl now.
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Old 02-07-2008, 12:09 AM
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I don't think she'll ever have a "life" after this - assuming that she even lives.

How sad to live in a world where you can "fire" anyone around you if you don't like what they say. If you're willing to participate in her fantasy-land perspective, then you can stay. Now that Britney's gotten well to the point where everyone only tells her what she wants to hear so that they can stay close to her (and suck the life out of her), then her life is already over.

I think the ONLY thing that could happen to help her would be (and it is VERY unrealistic) for photographers to just walk away - no more pictures, no more interest. Just make a decision among each other that this Britney-chasing is feeding into very dangerous addictions - both the public's curiousity (hence the high speed chases to get a picture no matter the casualties), as well as Britney's seemingly endless need to be in the spotlight, if only to reaffirm her significance in the world.

If the photographers just turned the cameras away and decided enough was enough, she might be allowed an opportunity out of her pitiful circus of a life.
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yes if the media would back down but I think we all know that just dont happen its sad but it dont the strange part to me in this whole thing is I used to think kevin was such a creep & he turns out to be more normal than her how odd was that
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Old 02-07-2008, 12:26 AM
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I agree. And I wish her parents would stop acting so holier than thou - where the heck have they been all this time? If it were my daughter, I wouldn't care if she said she didn't want me around. As her mom who loves her, I'd be there *anyway*.
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I don't disagree with you--but I think Momma and Poppa Spears should have been far more involved a lot earlier in her life. I don't think Britney was ever provided any emotional stability by her family. She's been in the public eye from a very early age and I do not think she was every taught coping skills, responsibility(personal or otherwise) or taught self control.

And then add in some predatory slime (and yes I am counting the tabloids and press...) who took advantage of a mentally ill individual and you've got a recipe for disaster...
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It is just so, so sad.
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Old 02-07-2008, 02:49 AM
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The news is reporting that after Britney was released from the hospital, she went roaring aound town in her car with dozens and dozens of paparazzi in tow. She seems to love driving but I'm not sure why. She's a very poor driver and she knew they would follow. She actually encourages them.

She isn't well and I don't think she's ready to accept treatment. I think we can expect that she'll have another episode before long.
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Old 02-07-2008, 03:00 AM
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So she's out again? Good grief.Actually I am betting that her career will not be hurt. Remember how she flopped at the MTV awards, then her album was sent straight to the top of the charts. The public can't seem to get enough of her.
I wonder how these guys (Sam and Adnan) even got close enough to her to become involved? The whole thing is so bizarre.
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Old 02-07-2008, 07:51 AM
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While this sounds nice, Britney is a 26 year old adult with millions and millions of dollars at her disposal. She also apparently lives in a gated community, that can only be accessed by people with permission.
I am guessing if she doesn't want certain people around she can pretty much make that happen.
I know we all like to play armchair psychiatrist, but the truth is you can't help someone who doesn't want it.
Well, considering that more than half the time, she's out w/ no bodyguard - just cruising, then getting to her isn't hard. anyone can do it. I don't know how her parents are justifying it, or how anyone else would explain it away, I'm simply saying that my kids are more important to me than life and I would never allow them to end up like that.

although, like Marilynk said, had they been there for her in the beginning, she most likely wouldn't have turned out like this.
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Old 02-07-2008, 08:06 AM
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It is really sad. I do agree that her parents have not stepped up quickly or strongly enough. That said, it is a nightmare to have a mentally ill adult child, particularly with money, fame and parasites thrown in to the mix.
How do you convince an adult who is mentally ill that they ARE ill when there are scumbags who will reinforce every negative thing they do and whisper in their ear that everybody else is evil? The laws allow very little to be done with an adult who does not want help, so the circle goes round and round. She's too sick to know she's sick, so won't agree to help, so she gets sicker and sicker. People enduring the type of illness she's apparently suffering have no judgment, no clarity.

I know her father fetched her from the Beverly Hills Hotel, where she was camped out again with a paparazzo. He has moved into her home, had a car towed from her residence, and is asking that the conservatorship be enforced. She has apparently seen an attorney, most probably to fight the conservatorship. All he can do is push it, follow her, ask for direction from her psychiatrist and pray. She will die if this continues, no doubt about it, and I find it absolutely heartbreaking.

And they did hire a bodyguard. She disposed of him quickly. As an adult, she can choose to do that, even if it's clearly insane.
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Old 02-07-2008, 09:11 AM
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I'm really surprised she was released from the Hospital.....I thought I read where she was supposed to do at least two weeks?
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Old 02-07-2008, 11:49 AM
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it's just a train wreck ready to happen....
I don't think it's fair for the paparazzi to constantly be hounding her. I think there should be a law where they have to stand at least 10ft away. This just isn't going to end pretty..
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Old 02-07-2008, 12:19 PM
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I'm really surprised she was released from the Hospital.....I thought I read where she was supposed to do at least two weeks?

She checked herself out against medical advice...

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Old 02-07-2008, 01:08 PM
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She checked herself out against medical advice...

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Now I don't understand for someone who is suppose to be unstable and a threat to herself or possibly others how is she able to make the decision that she can leave the hospital? They just say ok Britney whatever you want and out the door she goes??

Does anyone care enough about this girl to make her stay?
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Old 02-07-2008, 01:43 PM
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Now I don't understand for someone who is suppose to be unstable and a threat to herself or possibly others how is she able to make the decision that she can leave the hospital? They just say ok Britney whatever you want and out the door she goes??

Does anyone care enough about this girl to make her stay?

Unless she is an imminent threat to herself or the public, she cannot be held on a 5150 hold (involuntary commit), and with a voluntary commit--she's free to leave whenever she wants. If in the few days she was there, she became lucid/rational and was felt to no longer be an imminent threat to herself or to the public then she has the right to leave AMA.

I can go into the ER, and be having a heart attack. If I decide to leave the hospital cannot stop me--even if they KNOW I will die without treatment, they are required, by law, to allow me to leave against their advice. Now, when I walk into the parking lot and pass out--that's another story.

For a completely involuntary commit (where she cannot make any decisions) she would have to be determined to be insane or incompetent.
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Old 02-07-2008, 02:22 PM
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Well, considering that more than half the time, she's out w/ no bodyguard - just cruising, then getting to her isn't hard. anyone can do it. I don't know how her parents are justifying it, or how anyone else would explain it away, I'm simply saying that my kids are more important to me than life and I would never allow them to end up like that.

although, like Marilynk said, had they been there for her in the beginning, she most likely wouldn't have turned out like this.
Again it is great lip service to say that you wouldn't allow your kids/family/friends to end up like that.
The simple truth is that you have no idea what has been going on behind the scenes with her family.
All we know is what is reported in the press, which may or may not be the whole picture.
Remember she is an adult, with mony and power which probably makes it harder to get her some kind of treatment if she doesn't feel she needs it.
And as for 'getting' to her while she is out riding in her car, what would you do? Again she is an adult with free will and as long as she hasn't been deemed a threat to herself or others she is free to ride in her car without someone forcing their way in or trying to force her to go somewhere she doesn't want to.
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Old 02-07-2008, 03:20 PM
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I hate to say this but I honestly do not believe that Britney Spears will be alive at the end of the year. And then the media will try to figure out what went wrong, who is to blame. I do not see how that girl can be saved.

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I agree completely as sad as it is. There has got to be something someone can do to help her. It is obvious she isn't stable at all.
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Old 02-07-2008, 03:27 PM
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Again it is great lip service to say that you wouldn't allow your kids/family/friends to end up like that.
The simple truth is that you have no idea what has been going on behind the scenes with her family.
All we know is what is reported in the press, which may or may not be the whole picture.
Remember she is an adult, with mony and power which probably makes it harder to get her some kind of treatment if she doesn't feel she needs it.
And as for 'getting' to her while she is out riding in her car, what would you do? Again she is an adult with free will and as long as she hasn't been deemed a threat to herself or others she is free to ride in her car without someone forcing their way in or trying to force her to go somewhere she doesn't want to.

I think what Jaded is saying (please correct me if I'm wrong) is that Momma and Poppa Spears should have been a guiding influence in her life when she was a child.

Oh, and yes, people are deprogrammed all the time. And that often involves "snatching" them and holding them against their will until the person IS stable, deprogrammed, detoxed, etc.

There is also the rumor/insinuation that Britney may have been being drugged by her "Mgr" Sam Lufti--and if he wasn't physically drugging her, he may have been manipulating and providing her w/ drugs so that he could "control" her--which opens up a whole 'nother can of worms.
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Old 02-07-2008, 05:45 PM
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I think what Jaded is saying (please correct me if I'm wrong) is that Momma and Poppa Spears should have been a guiding influence in her life when she was a child.

Oh, and yes, people are deprogrammed all the time. And that often involves "snatching" them and holding them against their will until the person IS stable, deprogrammed, detoxed, etc.

There is also the rumor/insinuation that Britney may have been being drugged by her "Mgr" Sam Lufti--and if he wasn't physically drugging her, he may have been manipulating and providing her w/ drugs so that he could "control" her--which opens up a whole 'nother can of worms.

See the thing is who knows how involved her parents were in her early life, childhood success aside.
From everything I have read/heard she seems like a very strong willed person, not so much in controlling her own life, but more along the lines if she wants to do something she will do it. From one of the specials I saw on her it said she learned at a fairly young age when she was just tasting success, is that people would do what she told them to.
I guess what I am saying is how do you control a willfull adult? She has the resources so that she can at least clothe, feed and house herself. Beyond that what more can you do for her? Yes I think the whole situation is very sad, especially for her kids, but she seems to be doing what she wants however harmful it is.
I don't think Britney has been programmed at all, I think she has just made bad choices, but again she is an adult.
To the OP's original question, I don't think unless she is really willing to look at herself the way she actually is, she will ever get better. Sadly I too think she will end up deceased sooner rather than later.
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See the thing is who knows how involved her parents were in her early life, childhood success aside.
From everything I have read/heard she seems like a very strong willed person, not so much in controlling her own life, but more along the lines if she wants to do something she will do it. From one of the specials I saw on her it said she learned at a fairly young age when she was just tasting success, is that people would do what she told them to.
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But see, that's where I think Mom and Dad should have stepped in! I have a high maintenance child. He is very demanding, he is EXTREMELY strong willed/stubborn, pig headed --whatever term you wish to use. He's 8.
My husband and I are trying to teach him that 1) the world does not revolve around you 2) people are not always going to give you want you want--just because you want it, 3) being strong willed is ok, but you have to learn how to temper your strong will with common sense 4) your actions have consequences.

I don't think that Britney was taught any of those things--then you add in a Bipolar or other mental disease diagnosis and yes, it's just a recipe for disaster.

I find it horrific that there are hanger-ons (like Lufti appears to be) that would take advantage of someone who is obviously mentally ill, and incapable of making good decisions.
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Old 02-07-2008, 06:32 PM
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I find it horrific that there are hanger-ons (like Lufti appears to be) that would take advantage of someone who is obviously mentally ill, and incapable of making good decisions.
He seems to be in the mold of Howard K Stern with Anna Nicole Smith. Sickening that people out there seem to exist solely to be a parasite to someone in crisis.

Anyway back to the other topic, I work in a Psychiatric Facility, so I see a lot of this tug of war between a mentally ill person and their family. You can devote your whole life to trying to get help for a loved one but until they are willing to face that there is indeed a problem you are fighting a losing battle.

My feeling is that her parents seem to be doing all they can at this point.
Who knows what mistakes her parents may have made when she was growing up, sometimes despite your hardest work you can't control a child who doesn't want to be told what to do and is hell bent on rebelling. Now add to that fame and money and she probably feels she has all the power and she is going to do what she feels like.

I think it is very easy to sit in judgement of others, I see a lot of her parents should be doing this or doing that, but the sad truth is that she is an adult woman on a very dangerous path and Britney and only Britney can save herself . Until then her family will be on stand by waiting for the next episode where they can try to get her to realize the harm she is doing to herself and her children.

This whole thing is sad and must be exhausting for those around her who truly want her to get help and recover.
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I read somewhere that one of the news services is already working on her obituary. I feel very sorry for her. She is on a downward spiral.
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I read somewhere that one of the news services is already working on her obituary. I feel very sorry for her. She is on a downward spiral.
Actually the news media has obits already written for lots of famous people. That in and of itself doesn't mean that much but she is a total mess. If things don't change drastically I fear for her life. Very sad.
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Actually the news media has obits already written for lots of famous people. That in and of itself doesn't mean that much but she is a total mess. If things don't change drastically I fear for her life. Very sad.

True, I used to work in tv and we would often do an obit story on someone so it was nearly "in the can." Just needed the ending added when the person died. I am sure lots of stations/papers, etc have done a Brit obit.
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There are no shortage of parents who do fine jobs with their kids and yet the kids still "break bad." I see no reason to blame Britney's parents for her behavior at this point. This craziness started after she reached adulthood. If she is suffering with a mental illness, I hope she gets the help she needs. If she's suffering from the poor judgment of letting a bunch of users in her life, well, that was her choice. I feel much worse for the parents than I do for Britney at this point, and I feel worse of all for those two little boys.

As others have said, who knew Kevin Federline was going to be the good parent?
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As others have said, who knew Kevin Federline was going to be the good parent?

LOL I am still not convinced of that I think he is just laying low on his party life for awhile. Maybe I am wrong.
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Old 02-08-2008, 07:40 AM
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LOL I am still not convinced of that I think he is just laying low on his party life for awhile. Maybe I am wrong.
As opposed to Britney's? He might not be the best parent, but he's certainly shown himself to be far better than her.
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As opposed to Britney's? He might not be the best parent, but he's certainly shown himself to be far better than her.

I see your point. I wonder if he takes care of his kids that he has with Shar Jackson?
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I see your point. I wonder if he takes care of his kids that he has with Shar Jackson?
I've heard that he does, and that Shar speaks highly of him, which seems pretty big of her, all things considered!
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I've heard that he does, and that Shar speaks highly of him, which seems pretty big of her, all things considered!
Really? Hmmm everything I have read before sounded like she didn't think much of him, I wonder what changed? Maybe they grew up??
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I dont think she is beyond repair. Far from that actually. She has youth on her side.
She hopefully will get the medication and psychological assistance needed, the right people around her.
I wish her well.
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Really? Hmmm everything I have read before sounded like she didn't think much of him, I wonder what changed?
Shar detested Kevin right up to the point that Kevin received a multimillion dollar divorce settlement from Britney. She likes him better now. LOL.
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