ABC News: Never too Old? Woman, 72, has Twins

The father is 75. In Vitro. Because he didn't have a son. I'd have told him to kiss my @ss, but that's just me.

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Oh my, I can't even imagine. I think I feel sorry for the kids though because they won't have parents around for long, more than likely. And really how can they enjoy these kids? jaded, I'd have told the man the same thing!!! LOL

don't think at that age that I would have even had the energy to spread my legs-just ask DH-I'm having that problem @ 38. Just can't think about my step-grandma having a baby right now-very weird.

I can't believe the doctor(s) performed in vitro on such an elderly woman.

my MIL is 75 (on the 7th) I can see her having a child, but she walks 4 miles at least a day, is very active and does not look or act her age. I always say she is going to out live us all!

On the other had, my grandmother is 78. She can hardly walk, losing her hearing and having trouble with her eyes, plus vertigo. So there is noway she could have a child.

But I do agree that is to old to have a child, if she is healthy how long will that last!

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Pretty selfish, IMHO...having children you know you will not be around to raise.

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I used to work for an Indian (from India) family and I knew that males were the "preferred" sex. Males are VERY important to their heritage. But, this is just plain ridiculous! First off, the husband is very insensitive for asking or going along with this. It had to be very dangerous at her age. I don't care how good a shape she is in, it still is not healthy for her. If it were, she wouldn't have been put on bed rest for eight months AND then still started bleeding. Granted, I know the same can happen to young women but it's not like she didn't already have children (and grandchildren, too!). And, shame on both of them for bringing a child into the world this late in life. They probably won't see the kid graduate from high school and if they do, they will probably be too senile to know who the heck the child is!!! This is sad...

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LOL!!! I totally agree!

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do you have to have a period to have in vitro, b/c i hope when i am 70 some years old my period will be looong gone...lol. and i agree way too old to be having a baby and for such a stupid reason.

steph

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I don't pass judgment on the age. My dad is about to turn 95 and still plays golf. He would have been a great father of a baby at 75. Plus, he would have been there all the time becaus he was retired. I know lots of people whose parents didn't survive much past their infancy or childhood. However, I don't understand the whole "God has answered our prayers" thing when IVF is used. It seems to me God told them some time ago "No boys for you!"

Same goes for me when a person who uses IVF and has a litter doesn't use selective abortion and says "this is God's will." Uh, no it isn't. God's will was "No babies for you!" they went around the whole God thing when they decided they didn't like the idea of God making them infertile.

Wow!

This wouldn't be something I'd want to do.

Yes, the docs would have had to brought her out of menopause, medically. They would also have to use donated eggs (72 year old eggs just don't work - heck, if mom is over 40 or so her doc will usually recommend donated eggs)

Insane. I would like to know what clown performed in vitro on this elderly lady.

Not touching the "Will of God" comment, as then we'd have to ponder whether it's the will of God for local 13 year old 7th graders to have babies...


I will say that our bodies go through menopause for a reason...Generally, women are not designed to give birth into their seventies. The fact that IVF was done to allow a woman to have a baby decades beyond her fertile years seems extremely unethical.

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I guess the children and there grandchildren willbe raising there brothers and uncles.

What a pity, I hope they let the family in in the decision before being crazy.

I agree with nightowl, it wasn't God's decision to have these babies it was them being selfish. I can understand a YOUNGER couple wanting to have the procedure done to have children but these people are way too old to be bringing a child into the world.

I am 34 and can't imagine getting pregnant right now because to be honest I am content with the 2 kids I have and all those late nights and diaper changings really doesn't sound good to me. Kids are work, now how in the heck are they going to be able to take care of children?

I agree with Jaded too......I would tell my husband to kiss my ass and don't let the doorknob hit his on the way out!!!

I have heard of people who decline all medical treatment and intervention but have never known one, how interesting. What did you do when you children were sick or injured? What do you do when you are sick or injured? I see you have a pink breast cancer ribbon next to your user name. Did you have breast cancer? If so, you were able to recover without medical intervention? How wonderful!!!!

I notice your user name is nightowlrn. Are you a night shift nurse? What do you do? Run around ripping out tubes, pulling off monitors and refusing medication while yelling, "It's God's will!!!"

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All the cool babies are wearing cloth!

I think the issue is crediting God with human intervention. I see no harm in appropriate medical care, but I'd no more credit a very late birth to divine forces than I would breast implants, or a nose job.

I must have missed something, because I didn't get any of that from the post or poster that you're mocking here.

I get -- and agree with -- the part about people crediting God for stuff that God didn't have anything to do with. They thank God, even when they were busy defying him. Doesn't mean the poster is doing that (IMO), just that it's hypocritical of people to thank God for something that he was busy telling them wasn't going to happen and that only happened because of man's work. Like the McCaugheys -- so busy telling people they couldn't have a selective abortion because those babies were "God's Will." Well, BS, Bobbie, "God's Will" was that you wouldn't have any of those babies. Those babies were man's doing.

I guess you did.

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Wow - Hum - Okay then ...

Perhaps you are confusing me with someone who believes I have knowledge of what any God's will is. And, to be honest, I have more respect for the "Christians" who profess knowing their God's will and who refuse medical treatments and die from things like the flu. At least they're consistent.

This is classic cognitive dissonance - people who are unable or unwilling to reconcile their religious beliefs with modern scientific/medical realities.

Shhh . . . be very, very, very quiet and tip-toe slowly back out the door . . .

I didn't get that from Nightowl's post, either. I didn't read it and think she just lets things be, and then whatever happens is God's will. "God's will" can be viewed many different ways.....IVF being one of them. There are many who believe that God gave man the knowledge and ability to perform IVF so a couple can have a child. It's all open for interpretation, IMO.

Personally, I don't want to be having a baby at 70 years old. I want to be able to have a good shot at seeing my child grow up, and the odds are a bit against you at that age.

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Not speaking for nightowl's beliefs at all, but from my perspective, there are things that can be 'known' about God's will, and things that can't (for those that believe, and IIRC nightowl doesn't).

For those that profess Christianity, some of the 'knowns' are that it's not God's will for people to be theives, liars, murderers, adulterers, etc. It *is* his will that people be kind to the downtrodden, that his followers worship him, etc.

For those who interpret verses in the Bible to mean that taking a life - pre-born or otherwise - is a violation of God's will for our behaviors, selective abortion even in the case of extreme multiples would violate what God *wills* that mankind do.

Generally, God seems to be silent about whether it's his 'will' that we circumvent circumstances to make things happen that by nature might not otherwise. Does the fact that it didn't rain mean God wills that I starve because my garden didn't grow? Or is it fine with God that we take matters into our own hands and circumvent nature by irrigating? Is that different than facilitating the creation of life by IVF?

I understand why there might seem to be cognative disonance when someone uses the phrase 'God's will"... but there is more to it than a straight-up non-interventionist way of looking at things that have been set in motion. In other words... where it seems he has spelled out what he *wills* us to do or refrain from doing, we can perhaps divine his *will*. I can pretty much read scripture and walk away knowing it's not his will for me to cheat on my spouse and leave my kids. But I think the Bible is silent on whether overcoming a limitation that nature seems to have imposed is violating his *will*.

I guess that's how Jesus would have responded?

So - Is it God's will that only people who are infertile, but with an extra $20-50K to kick around, get these blessings?

Not to mention all those extra "potential blessings" that get tossed.

My guess is that someone who is opposed to selective abortion probably doesn't toss extra embryos.

I know a couple that adopted embryos and was able to get pregnant twice with children who were, interestingly, full siblings to one another but not genetically related to either of their parents.

Regarding the original topic, I think they're nuts and selfish and in denial. They needed to just enjoy their grandkids and call it good. I can't imagine what kind of an egomaniac of a man wouldn't be able to just move into the sunset phase of his life when the time can by just accepting that the kids he had were all the kids he was going to get. To purposely assign this child to the almost certain fate of being an orphan before graduating high school just so *he* could have a male child is pretty selfish, IMHO. His parents are the age his great-grandparents should be.

Boy, will those field trips be lots of fun for them once Johnny hits 2nd grade and his folks are pushing 90.

I'd like to see a 1 year update on this couple.

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So would I!

More like will they still be alive in a year...

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I feel sorry for these babies...because they will likely lose their parents at a young age. But also for the baby boy for the attention and pressure that will be heaped on him and the baby girl twin for the attention that will not be heaped on her, simply because she doesn't have the "right" chromosomes. I hope the extended family is strong enough to fill in any gaps.

cj/

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