well..and the living room sometimes, as well.

I believe I have talked about this before on MC, but with it being close to Halloween AND since I am really needing some help here with advice..I thought I would post. Please feel free to share your stories as well.


Okay, now, I have never personally seen the ghost that lives in my house. I have "felt" him on many occasions and this prompted me to have a huge Kat Smack down on him and I told him flat out that he was scaring me and he had to STOP with the nonsense. I asked him what he wanted but he didn't ever answer~I say that in jest~ (But thank GOD, I probably would have fainted right on the floor if he had).

Anyway, let me tell you our story. We live in a home that is about 35 years old. We are the fourth owners and bought it in 1998. No one has ever died here (that we know of). It has always been young families since it was built. Mainly business professionals have lived here (we bought the house from an environmental scientist and his wife was a teacher at the grade school). It is a two story, nice subdivision, great area in a small rural village in Northern IL. The land was previously farm land, but this area was settled by Indians and the Scottish immigrants. The home is a traditional two story..the kind that you open the front door, it swings all the way open to the stairs that go right up to the second level. You can see the dining room to your right and the living room to your left. It goes in a complete circle around the basement stairs and the stairs leading upstairs (which are like on top of each other?) I am sure some of you know exactly what I am talking about.

This home has ALWAYS felt welcoming and loving. When I first walked into the house, even though we were looking for something a bit different and in a more kid friendly area, I fell in love with the feeling the house gave off (I am perceptive to good and bad vibes). I just felt like we were home.
After we closed on the house and moved in, I noticed there was a small cross standing upright and a penny on the window sill.
I never moved it. I thought it was a blessing and a penny for good luck from the previous owners, since they were Christian.

I can't tell you when the first "incident" happened, but I am thinking it was probably about 2 years after we moved in. My son was downstairs in his room, sleeping. It is in the basement. Two of his other brothers also shared this big room with him. My oldest son woke up to the sound of someone scrounging in the cabinets across the room, against the wall. (There are wooden cabinets that go the length of the room-they are not up on the wall, but rather they are on the floor like your bottom kitchen cabinets would be.
Anyway, he heard this rummaging, so he rolled over to see if one of his brothers was doing something. There he saw an old man and I will quote "First thing I noticed wa that the radio was turned on, but silent. To my surprise, my brothers were in bed asleep. Then I looked over at the cabinets and right before my eyes, I saw an old man bent over with his back towards me. He was rummaging through the cabinets, as if he was looking for something. He must have heard me, because at that moment he rose up from his bent over position, turned towards meand looked at me. He was tall and was wearing a long sleeve shirt. In his hands he was holding a box. He began pointing and motioning at the box, while muttering something and began walking towards me. It was like watching a silent movie because I could not hear what it was he was saying. Like the radio, his words also were silent. I screamed, not necessarily because he scared me, but the fact that I saw him was scary. Right when I screamed, his face put on an expression like "oh, no, you got it wrong", then he disappeared. He did not feel evil, but it was just scary to see him there. I've never seen him since". My son is 22 now, so he was about 14 when this happened. I was upstairs and I heard him scream. I ran down to the basement door and he was running up the stairs to meet me. I thought maybe the boys were in a fight or something.

The other two boys that were sleeping, had woken up and came upstairs to see what was wrong with him.

We did have instances in the house, where one of the boys did not want to sleep in one of the rooms upstairs..hence why he was in the basement with the other two. So one of his other brothers took his room. (By the way, I have five boys..LOL) Both boys have said this room upstairs is "creepy" I do have to agree with them. Whenever I am up there cleaning or whatever, I have felt a difference in this room, vs the other rooms in the house. It's not as pleasant, I guess I would say. Although it is a pretty, calming color of blue and has flowers..very pretty and soothing.. well kinda.

We also had instances in the house, before and after this happened to our oldest son (where he saw the old man) where things of ours would just go "missing". Only to find them in weird places. I MEAN weird! Like car keys that were on the dining table ended up by the fireplace buried in the paper pile.. stuff like that.

Anyway, we never talked about the ghost again. I honestly thought my son was hallucinating or asleep and was dreaming. I told him there was no such things as ghosts, reassured him and sent him back to bed.

Then, maybe 2-3 years after that~2002 I believe it was~ My best friend was here visiting from Iowa with her family. Mind you, she did not have ANY knowledge of this ghost at all. We went out for dinner, and came hom. As she walked through my front door after me (I swung the door to the right of course and walked in towards the dining room, while she on the other hand walked in and was looking to the left. She said "WHO'S THAT!", to which I replied "Who?" and she answered "HIM!" pointing into my living room. I came to where she was in the living room. I saw nothing. She just stood there, laughing. She just shook her head and walked around to the kitchen through the living room. all the way around to where she was back at the front door again. She said, when we came in, I saw this really tall, old man scurrying from the living room into the kitchen with his head down. I said "What?"
But then I took pause and remembered the event from earlier. I asked her again what he looked like, what he was wearing and it was identical to what my son had said. That was when I sat her down and told her what happened to my son. She said, "You have a ghost here". I said. get out.. no way...

Well, Way.

Fast forward, about 2 more years. I get an insurance check settlement that is addressed to a person whom I had no clue who it was. I called the village hall to ask the clerk if she knew the name. She said she sure did, it was the owners daughter that lived here BEFORE the people we bought the house from.
I said, Get out! Cause I have an insurance check here for her. Why would it come almost 20 years, to this address, after they lived here? Weird? hmmmm

Anyway, I find her through the phone book (her mom got me in contact with her, because of course she was married now and her name had changed). I talked to her on the phone and we laughed about it. I told her she could come over anytime to get the check and she said he would come right over.
She pulled up the driveway. She was now probably 32 years old. When she got out of her car.. I don't know guys, but something came over me. Almost like the house jumped ALIVE. It was so weird how I felt the change in the house.
She walked down the drive, and stopped half way. I came out on the porch. I said, "Come on in!" She said, "no that is okay". I said, oh come on! I am sure you want to see the changes that have been done with the remodels? I guess it is completely different than when you lived here". She again declined and seemed to be looking past me through the front door. I walked off of the porch and handed her the check. I said to her, "well, anytime you want to come over and want to see the house, you feel free." She said, and she had this look on her face..." It's nothing against you, it's just.." looking in her face, I finished her sentence, as my whole demeanor changed and I said matter of factly "It's haunted, isn't it?"
She breathed the biggest sign of relief I have ever heard from someone and said "Yes..YES.. how did you know?"
I asked her first before I answered, I asked "Will you tell me why it is haunted?" and she began to tell me of this old man. Tall old man. Who carried a cigar box and "lived" in the basement. Her room was in the basement and she said she grew up in fear and that he scared her so much as she was growing up. Her family lived here from 1976-1986. They moved when she was 13. She said she was SO HAPPY when they moved out and she has thought about the home, but has never wanted to go back inside because of the fear she still has to this day.
I am serious, this girl was shaking as she was telling me this.

I was totally taken aback that three people.. who did not know each other (per se, my son and my best friend knew each other but they never ever talked or shared about what happened to my son in the basement). They all had the same description.

It was all coming together.

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She told me stories of how he would come to her at night with this box, sit on her bed and just hold the cigar box while looking at her. She said that he was always drawn to the cabinets as well. Her parents actually put those cabinets in the room, she said.
She also told me that when they moved in, the mirror upstairs in the bathroom.. when they did the first remodel of the bathroom that was originally there, she said that when they took the mirror off the wall, that behind it, written on the back were dates and accounts of the hauntings that had happened, written by the previous owner. I am wondering if it was the wife, and she just never wanted anyone to know or think she was crazy.. who knows. My best guess anyway. I never have seen this mirror, but she said it just gave a date- and what he did.. and there was like 10 dates on the back of the mirror.
They had no clue what it was at the time, and it wasn't until years later, for them, that they realized what those dates and events meant. "Old Man walked Hall" "Old Man with box in basement".
On one of our further conversations, in 2006 as a matter of fact, I found out from her that it was HER family that left that cross and penny in the windowsill when they moved out in 1986. It has never left the window sill ever since. Well, one of my boys stole the penny one time, but I did replace it..LOL
So anyway, I am one who does NOT believe in ghosts (or I didn't at that time) so I did what I had done in my previous home (except I had a Monk/Priest come in and bless our entire home, room to room and release and spirits that might have been there (we had no hauntings, but I just have always believed in having that done).
So, I went room to room, with my bible and cursed every demon, that might be here, out of my home. I literally did the Kathy smack down over and over. lol I was determined that nothing was going to invade my home anymore and whatever it was had to leave!!!

Well, that did the trick. We don't seem to have any issues with Demons at all. EXCEPT for the old man..LOL He's not a demon, so he stayed..LOL He was silent for many years, until 2006.

That was when we were having a halloween party for our youngest son. We thought it would be cool to give the party a little bit of life, and we sent fliers out for kids to come and said on the bottom of the flier "Is the house at xxx _th street haunted?? and made a reference to come party with the old man in the basement. (It was an 8th grade party, so we thought it would draw interest among the kids at his school to be here.) we hired a fortune teller, had a DJ in the basement and had the whole downstairs done up amazingly. It was pretty cool.
Anyway, the day of the party, I sent my husband out to the garage to get in the rafters where we store items. He goes up there frequently (maybe a place to stash mags?? LOL) A few minutes later, he came back into the house white as a ghost. I said, Hon. what's wrong? He just looked at me and then held out what he was holding in his hands.
He had in his hands a box.
A cigar Box.
A very, VERY old cigar box.
A DUSTY, very old cigar box.

He looked at me and said, "I go up there all the time. I get things in and out the same way. When I got up in there, this was sitting RIGHT There in front of my face. Just sitting there.

It looked as if it hadn't been touched in a century. The dust was so thick, my husband's finger impressions were left almost an 1/8th inch depth on the box.

I took it from him.. feeling my insides absolutely turning.
I carefully took it to the table. I felt almost like I was intruding on a shrine, or someone's grave...lol It just felt weird. I was so afraid to open it. I honestly was.

We finally worked up the nerve to open it. Inside were just rubber bands (whew!). A few of them, not many.
I looked at my husband and I said, Do you think this is a sign? I mean, do you think we are upsetting him by this party and the references, the stories that I Have printed up (just like what I have told here)? I had this story printed up and had plans to hand to the kids as they came over.kind of a way to freak them out a bit.. and it told the first person accounts of the 3 different people who have had contact with the old man.

Anyway, he said he didn't know if we upset him..but he sure was freaked out by it (finding the box).
I said, "You know, he has been looking for this.. right? Or carrying it, right? Maybe I need to go give it to him."

So, I took it downstairs and placed it on a cabinet we have in the basement. It stayed there and is still there. It is still a little dusty. It's empty, but there.
At that time, I contacted some paranormal investigators in our area via email, asking for help. I was truly freaked out. They contacted me back and said they wanted to come over.

I told my husband my plans and the next day he put the hammer down and told me absolutely not, that he wouldn't allow paranormal researchers to come into the house. I asked him why. He said, "Because, if we ever try to sell this house, and it has been proven (which I believe it will, he added)we have to disclose that on our disclosure statement on the house..and we can't jeopardize our investment in that way."

I could not argue with that. I could not even think of a way around that, except to consult with a few people who agreed (dang it).

Besides, with the box being downstairs, I was hopeful we had solved his problem. We had NO problems at all after that. Nothing. NO feelings, nothing.

Now, fast forward to last month. I have a woman from Germany that is staying here with us. All the boys but the youngest have now moved on and out. She is 48 and is a dear friend of mine. She has been here since June.

She knew about the old man, because I told her all about him about 4 years ago.
She told me about a month after she was here, she said, You know..I felt him when I was here for the Halloween party in '06. I felt him in the basement. But I do not feel him now. I believe that box in the basement has done the trick.

That was, until last month. She came upstairs and got me out of bed. She said, "OMG.. I saw him!" I said, "What?" She said, "I was coming in from outside, and I was looking in the living room and there he was, standing towards the back of the living room." (same place my best friend saw him run from). She said, "he just stood there. He was very faint, I could see right through him, but I saw right away it was a man. She said, I freaked out and almost screamed. She said, my heart stopped."
She continued, that when she looked at him, she said it was like he saw the instant fear in her eyes. She said she felt as if she startled him when she walked in and they both just stood there looking at each other. She said that she was fearful, but then she said, "I felt his sorrow, Kathy. I felt him.. I mean he didn't say anything, but all of a sudden I started crying. He made me SO Sad for him. I can't explain it. I felt his sadness"
She also added that he seemed like he was worried that she was afraid of him (same as he did with my son!)

She started crying in front of me as she was recalling and trying to explain in words what she felt from him.

She just looked at me and said "Kathy, he is so sad, he is looking for something. He needs help..".

I've always wondered why I never saw him. Maybe because of my fear? Maybe because I didn't believe? who knows.. but I do want to add, folks, that I am going blind. I have a form of night blindness. So, as my friend from Germany says, "He probably has shown himself to you many times, but you are too blind to see him!!!"

I have come to the point that I want to help this man. I really do. I feel for him. I know that he is in pain. He can't move on. I do believe in ghosts now, and I believe, with all my heart, that we have one here. One that is nice, does not mean harm,considers others feelings, but is very sad. My heart aches for him.

I want to know.. can we get help... can anyone help him, and NOT have it be public record? Is there a way to do this that would alleviate my husband's fears about disclosure? The only way I can think of is, if it isn't ever documented (duh, like it isn't now..arrgh)

I am at my end of how to help him.

Everytime you see him, tell him you are dead. Go home (meaning to the afterlife, heaven, etc). Eventually it should work.

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I had a ghost or whatever in an apartment I lived in about 20yrs ago. I went to the library and got a book about how to communicate with the spirit. I left letters on the kitchen table asking what he wanted, and I talked to him. It wasn't a scarey thing - just strange and I was young and didn't know anything about it. When I was pregnant (in that same apt) he spoke to me. I think now that it was a relative who was just trying to watch over me, as I was single and pretty much alone in this city. I still feel his presence, and sometimes smell cigar smoke, so I am pretty sure I know who it is. I just consider him my guardian angel.

I would just try to talk to this spirit and find out what he wants/needs, what he is looking for. He clearly means no harm to any of you, so I would try to make contact and let him know you want to help. Poor thing - stuck between two worlds. He has unfinished business here.

Wow, what a great ghost story.Thanks for sharing.I'm glad that its a friendly ghost !
Maybe because the old man left that cigar box in the rafter on a birthday party day,that he was trying to tell you that he wanted a gift as well.Perhaps he wants a cigar. Have you tried putting a cigar in the cigar box?Perhaps he cannot pass on into the light till after he has had this final last cigar.

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how scary for you all. I wonder if your friend isnt somewhat empathic (sp?) considering she was able to feel what he is feeling. Since your husband wont allow paranormal group to come maybe you can contact one and ask them for directions in safely helping the man to cross over. Sounds like he is connected to the grounds instead of the house, since you said nobody died in the house. I would find out who the original owners were howver, if the house is only 35 yrs old and the old man has been around since the middle 70's doesnt sound like it would be someone who owned the house unless of course they were old when they owned the house.

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I would think that you believe your house is haunted and you have discussed it with people outside your home, you would be morally obligated to disclose it if you sell your house. I know if *I* bought a house and nothing was disclosed only to find out that the previous owners believed it was haunted and had discussed it with others...I wouldn't be happy. If they could prove you knew about the ghost and didn't say anything, I would think they could maybe come back on you???

I don't know but I would think so. Personally, I couldn't hold that kind of information back (would feel deceitful).

In any case, I'm glad it's a friendly spirit. I would perhaps leave the cigar box where it is, maybe place a note with "do you need something?" on it. I haven't dealt with trying to contact spirits.

Can you get a spiritual medium to your house? Do it as a "sesance" (or whatever it's called). You aren't asking them to come to check on your house ghost but to talk to spirits in general. My mom had a sesance party when I was a kid and found out some interesting things about the people who owned our house previously (that we proved to be true after we researched...creepy). Perhaps the old man will tell her/him something?

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That's what I was going to say some people don't realize they are dead or are confused. Tell him to go he has other things to do and there are people waiting for him.

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Wow, amazing story. I love to watch Ghost Hunters ( & International), Paranormal State and Psychic Kids, as well as John Edward Crossing Over. I am the least sensitive person you'll ever know. I wish I could have those feelings of good or bad.

I know you said no one died in the house, that you know of. I would go down to your newspaper and/or library and do a little research to double check.

I looked up requirements for disclosing possible house hauntings when selling a house on some realtor pages and the consensus is - "Suspected hauntings do not have to be disclosed if there is not absolute proof there is something dangerous happening in the home. However depending on the location of the property, heinous crimes committed or a bloody past attached to a home can be grounds for a lawsuit should it not be disclosed." Each state has it's own regulations. I would check to see what your state regulation is and if it says you don't need to disclose the info I would absolutely have a team come in to investigate.

Because your "siteings" are so few and far between, it's possible that they wouldn't find anything. That's when you bring in a sensitive/medium/psychic to give you their feelings.

I just think it's so cool. If the "old man" were malevolent or dangerous...not so cool.

Thanks for sharing!

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Is there any connection with the dates of the sightings? Have you kept track of the dates, perhaps there is some significance to the timing.

I'm not one to believe in ghosts or things like that but we lived in this house once....

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It would be interesting to have the family/friends that have seen him to place his clothing appearance at a place in time - IE the 70's the 1930's - or so on - then look at the town records for any info.

Also think about what might have been in the box - money - coins - jewlery - pictures - did you look at the cigar box for a date -

how about in the rafters of the attic


It seems that the box must have contained something important - and maybe the rubberbands held it together - cash - pictures-

Did you look around in the attic area where you found the box to see if something had fallen out?

Maybe he was robbed - and they took his valuable items from the box- and it still makes him sad.

My first thought was that the cabinets were keeping him from something he's looking for. If they were put in by a later owner and he seems to concentrate on them, perhaps they cover something up that used to be there? That was my first guess. I also like igotscammed's idea of trying to track the dates for some significance.

Renee

Well everyone here is going to think I 'm weird when I post this. I'm physic I see things before they happen & while they are occurring..It started when I was child & grew stronger as I got older.... I have seen Ghost/Spirits but they are a solid form NOT see thru (maybe physic have the ability to see them more clearer then others)

I remember you mentions the old man ghost before.. While reading your post ..I got the feeling it has nothing to do with the house. It's the land the house sits on. I could be wrong. but that the feeling I'm getting.

Older generations use to put important papers such as deeds in Cigar boxes ...I have the feeling it has to do with the land ..I would do a search and see who owned the land before your house was built. I have the feeling the old man is the farmer who once owned the land.

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Have you considered buying a digital recorder to see if you could pick up something?
After watching Ghost Hunters, Paranormal State and other shows like that, I've considered doing that with our house. The recorder could pick up EVPs that can't be heard with "human ears".
If you do, maybe ask him what it is he's looking for and how you can help him. If anything, he might give you a name so you can go look in the public records to see if you can find more information.
Good luck in whatever you decide to do.

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This is so cool. I would do a little research about the land and see who own it 35 years ago. Once you find out the last name, maybe you could find out more information out about your friendly ghost. Check with the local newspaper for pictures. Also check with local high school(s) for old yearbook pictures.

OK, my turn to tell you about my ghost stories. I work at the old fair grounds and the old owners is still around. Sometimes when I'm in the buildings I can smell his cigars. I've had the office door chime to go off when there was no one there to open the locked door. The office adding machines go off when no one is close to them. I've also smelled a very strong old rose perfume and I just found out that it was his wife. I've never seen him and now when things happen we general say good morning Mr. ___ or hello Mr. ____.

My dad passed away 10 years ago at home and he has never left or should I say he came back home. We were expecting family from out of town and the night of the viewing the front door opened and closed and foot steps were heard across the floor. We called out to our cousin that we were in the back room only to realize she never answer back or came in the room. When we went looking for her she was just coming in the front door. My brother now lives in the house and daddy has woke him up several times because someone was outside in the middle of the night. My brother said that he still sets out on the front porch and that they still hear him sometimes. He maybe gone in body but he is still with us in sprit.

I'm just amazed that OP (and some of you) can be so calm.
I think I'd be runnin from my house if I experienced this. eek.

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what a great story! hope you find out who your ghost is. keep us up to date

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Thanks for the great ghost story. I am so into this. If anyone else has a good one please share it with us. thanks again nancy

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Hmmm..wow.. you got me thinking, kcs and angel..

Our subdivision is called Liddles Subdivision, because the Liddles owned all of the land that this subdivision was built on. The original farm house is actually up the road on "Liddle" Street, which is a part of our subdivision.

I wonder if this is old man Liddle? I am curious now, and want to go to the Library, but it makes no sense.. I mean wouldn't he be in his old house up a few blocks over?


Of course, then again, I was only "told" by the owners that I knew that lived there, that that house was the original home of the owners of the subdivision. It could be totally different, and I would have to research it to find out.

I have some strange feeling though, that this man goes even further back then that.

Our Village was one of the first towns that was settled in the Northern Illiniois area. It is very historic. We are actually on the stage coach trail because the man who originally settled it opened up a trading post. He married a young indian woman, who taught all of the local children at the school. Hence, our local High School is named after her.

I believe, but am not sure, but I think the founder of this Village was Scottish and she was Indian (I am sure of that).

Very, very intriquing. Maybe he was the man who owned the land before the Liddles? Who knows...

I did some research on the cigar box, as was suggested.

I couldn't find a date on it, but I did google the manufacturer, and here is what I found:
"White Owl is a classic cigar that's rich in history, dating back to 1887."

On top of it, the front of the box says, blended with Havana. As far as I know, no one can get a Havana cigar anymore, because of the embargo against Cuba.

So anyway, that is at least a starting point to go by. This box is from before that date, and after 1887. That narrows it down. LOL
The price says 10 cents on the box. On the bottom of the box it says no less than 8 cents no more than 15 cents. Now, I would need to find out what year cigars were that cheap. Were these expensive cigars, or cheaply made? What grade they are would determine the price, so that is kind of important.
The patent number is 50 and it is for New Jersey.

Gosh, I just don't know. But I did take some pictures of the box just now to share iwth you.









Angel, are you getting any feelings from this box?

ROFL! I am still chucklling about this dollydeal! That is cute!! Could be VERY true, you know.

Some men would do much more for a good Havana..LOL

I think I might have narrowed it down a bit..

Found an old cigar ad from 1940

White Owl
Black and white 9 1/2" x 12 3/4" ad for the New White owl cigars that are "Now blended with Havana". The ad has several photos of fiction writer Octavus Roy Cohen on a ship sharing Cuban Cigars with other men on the ship. This ad is larger than my scanner bed so the outer edges are not visible in the scanned view.
May 13, 1940
Life magazine



I just found another ad that states blended with havana from white owl and this ad is from 1939.

OK!! NOW I AM FREAKING OUT!! HOW THE HE!! DID A CIGAR BOX FROM THAT LONG AGO GET 35 YR OLD GARAGE???????

Okay the economic embargo against Cuba was done in Feb of 1962. So this box is somewhere between the mid to late 30's and 1962.

Our Village was settled in 1835. So it is higly unlikely he is one of the ORIGINAL, ORIGINAL owners of the land. But he might have been the second..

I just did some quick research White Owl Cigars sold for 10 cents back in 1962.... Here is the Ad that appear in Life Magazine http://www.vintageadsandstuff.com/viewcigar39.jpeg I found it at this website Cigar ads

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You know, I am thinking, this box might have nothing to do with the old man, it could just all be coincidence that he carries a cigar box and this one was found.


But it sure is kind of weird...

They were made in Dotham, AL. That is one of the towns in Alabama the girl from Germany, who lives here with us, lived in when she first came to the states. That freaked me out, but freaked her out even more..LOL

Oh, Angel! Thank you! That was the next search I was just going to do. Thank you!

So now there is a date for the cigar box....

Still doesn't explain why it was here, unless the first owners left it in the rafters (The house, I think might have been built around 1970) I will have to research the exact date it was built.

Edited to add: the house was built in 1975. The first owners only lived here a year and sold.

LOL..I would freak out too..It's weird because the original owners are the ones who made the notes on the back of the mirror ?
I makes me wonder if someone dug up the box & placed it in your house


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When I did see the pictures of the cigar box--It's scared me..The cigar box I believe is tied to the old man somehow..I still get the feeling something was taken away from him..

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This story is so intrigiung!!
We have a ghost in our house. I know who he is and why he is here though. 2 yrs prior to us moving in here the previous owner died. His family is very well known in the community and everyone loved him. He was 38 when he passed away and there are many specultions and rumors as to what he died from. ( Drugs, natural causes, etc) The first night we were sleeping here I heard keys in the front door. We didnt have keys to that door as they were never found. It was obvious that someone was using a key to try to get in the door. We ran outside and no one was there. About a week later we were unpacking and I heard someone coming down the steps. We have a hand rail and if you pull on it, there is a strange noise. We hear that all the time. (The downstairs is set up with a bar and fireplace and was his favorite hang out. That is also where he died.) One time I was making breakfast and left a greasy pan on the stove and forgot to turn the burner off. Well I was in the basement and CLEARLY heard my name called by a man from uptairs. Literally it was yelled, I kind of freaked and ran upstairs and found the pan. There was no man in the house at the time. When there are parties, we can smell cigar smoke, one of his favorite things to do, almost like he is joinin g us. I am not afraid anymore. I talk to him and thank him for watching over us.
Just yesterday I was out shopping and no one else was home. I came in and the radio in the bsement was on. No one else had been here and it was on a different station. I could feel him here so I let it play for a little bit, joked that I was letting him listen to his oldies and turned it off about an hour later. When I turned it off, you could feel hiim leave.
I personally think it is no big deal anymore. I just thank god he is friendly!!
His parents still live next door and his mom comes and sits in the yard where he planted a tree. She says she knows he is still here too...

What a cool story! Thanks for sharing!

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Thanks for sharing these truly amazing and intriging stories BUT.....I have the "willies" now!!!

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My daughter used to live in an older mobile home.
She had only been there a few months when she began telling me she had a ghost living there. Not being one to really believe in such things, I just made lightly of it. But her 2 older dd's also said they saw and heard evidence of a ghost being there. Three of the things that I remember them telling of was water facets and lights being turned on when no one was near them and the tv channels being changed.
My son now lives in the same mobile home with his ex and they both say there is another occupant there with them. She has several pictures that were taken in there and in the background there is images that can't be explained.
So who knows, maybe there is someone there.
I did babysit a number of times with my younger granddaughters when my dd lived there and I never experienced anything strange while I was there, but who knows, maybe the ghost might have been intimidated by me.

Edited for spelling errors.

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Dannic,

Oh wow! That is absolutely amazing!

At least you know who the guy is! I think that if we had our mystery solved of who he is, we would be much more at ease with the entire situation.

I feel so bad for the guys mom. That sounds so sad

Was he married? Did they not do an autopsy to figure out why he died?

Thanks for sharing!

1920 Biggest cigar production year ever. Only 7.5% of cigar tobacco used in the US is imported, much of that from Sumatra via the Netherlands. Eight BILLION U.S. cigars used eight million pounds of tobacco imported from Cuba. That’s one pound for every 1,000 cigars. The word “Havana” on a cigar box almost always refers to a type of domestic U.S. tobacco, but is used in ways to make the smoker (and today’s ebay sellers) think of Cuba.

I found this while I was researching white owl boxes. Do you happen to know the (wife)Indians name? Maybe that has something to do with the name white owl.
I am also wondering why your box does not have a tax stamp. I am not going to give this up I am going to keep on looking.

Lower quality and cheaper machine made cigars use a homogenized tobacco leaf (HTL) as a binder. This leaf is usually made from tobacco scraps that are ground up, mixed with combustible agents and water, then stretched and rolled in a large sheet like paper.

The synthetic leaf, called HTL (for "homogenized tobacco leaf,") was first developed by General Cigar Co., fourth biggest U.S. cigar maker.

The major advantage of homogenization (mainly for cigarette manufacturers) is that scraps and stems (up to 30% of the leaf) that are now discarded can be pulverized, mixed with a cellulose adhesive and squeezed out in continuous rolls.

I think there are no health benefits, just the same risks associated with cigarette smoking.

If I were you, I would check out a few of Sylvia Brown's (of the Montel fame) books. She has written so many, but I do think she has a couple that totally address this situation. In the meantime, you need to submit this story to be published-the hair on my arms was standinig as I read your post!

You might want to post your question at either Taps website or chip coffey. They might be of some help. Keep us updated.

steph

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ohhgodd
You maybe be able go to Antiques, Art and Collectibles - What's it Worth? | WorthPoint for more information on the cigar box. It's a antique site and sometimes people can tell you what you have as well as a fair price for items. Another thing the old homestead could have been moved, or the original one could have burned and was rebuilt in a different location. Have you ever ask your ghost for help in finding out who he is? It could very well be someone from the Liddle family or some other type of connection with the family like a farm hand. Good luck in your search and please keep us up to date.

I honestly do not have any conversations with him, other than to tell him to bug off..LOL

But, he never answered me when I did ask him what he wanted or how I could help. lol Like I said, I probably would have had a coronary right then and there, and I think that he senses that.


I figured putting the cigar box out would be kind of like a sign saying "I am trying to help", but I am not sure if it has done anything at all. There seems to be a pattern of every two years, in the fall, he becomes active to someone in the home (but not to me). But, then again, I am blind as a bat and my home is not lit up as well as I would like it..so even if he was right in front of me I would probably walk right through him..LOL I am sure he has given up on me for any type of contact by now..LOL

MykentuckyKids~ I don't know who those two are that you mentioned, but I will do a search. I did contact someone in Washington state, but he just mainly told me to keep a journal and to NOT get a tape recorder (in case something was said like "get out" and we would be totally freaked out, which we aren't now). He said that woudl be better off left to the experts to decipher and deal with, rather than freak everyone out in the house for no good reason.

I really feel this guy is a good spirit. He seems to be very gentle and really does seem to care about other's feelings. I am not sure if ghosts do that, but this one sure does.

kcs, I will check out that website, as well. I agree, I need to do more research, check out old newspapers, etc and see what I can find. Someone has got to have some knowledge of this old man and who he is.

Linnybop~ I will check out those books as well. Like the other names mentioned, those are all foreign to me.
edited to add: Linny, I did a check on this Chip guy, and he is going to be in Rockford, IL on Oct 23 speaking at the college in town!!! wooah!

Icansavedaily~ THANK YOU for all of the research you have done!! I so appreciate it.


Everyone is so awesome. Thank you!!

I just wish I could find a good medium to come in here and just have a chit chat with him. Maybe they could figure out what he needs, or wants, or is missing.

*sigh* Or, we will just have to live with this, and every two yeras you all will have to hear me moan and *itch about the newest sighting and what he has done! LOL

Have you tried using a Ouija board to contact him ? I find your story amazing !

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My little sister made a homemade ouija board when she was 15, and her and her friends used it one night. They brought an evil spirit (demon) into my mom's house. I am too scared to ever even consider going near one of those, cubmom. I will never forget what my mom went through in her house.

We used to play with ouija boards when we were kids, but now, it would really scare me to use one.

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I agree with you ~ those things give me the creeps!

I wouldnt fool with the oujia board they bring bad things into your house. Ghost hunters on tv is called taps. Goto google type in taps and you will see it. Chip coffey is a medium who works with psychic kids. chipcoffey.com. I hope you all can figure it out soon, sounds like this poor guy has been stuck here a long time.

steph

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Update:

We have a paranormal team coming to meet with us on Sunday.

They are not really going to verify that he is here or not (cause we already know he is), but they will do some preliminary readings that night.

They mainly want to meet with dh and I and talk to dh about his concerns and fears about having the team come in.

He is now saying that he is afraid of them bringing something in with them (ghosts, demons, etc).

We shall see. I know it is going to be hard to get this to be okay'd by dh. These guys better be not only good at what they do, but also be good talkers with my dh!..LOL

if they are a reputable paranormal team your dh has nothing to worry about. But I understand your dh concerns about bring something with them. You will have to let us know what happens.

steph

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I was wrong about our house. I just found out the house was built in 1966, not 1975.

I don't know how I got that so messed up..

So, it appears that the original owners lived here for 10 years, not just a year.


and I think the cigar box was probably left by the original owners.

Fascinating story, Ohhgodd. Thanks so much for sharing. I was on the edge of my seat reading your story and I got a chill down my spine. Good luck with your research. Keep us posted.

Judi

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I noticed that there is an number on the box. It looks like it was written with an pen? Its on the inside to the left. It looks like the number 17. I wonder what that means... Boy do I have an story to share with you guys but my dd needs me right now. I will have to post this later!

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