Did anyone catch this interview, I just saw it on t.v. moments ago. This happened last where a farm in her hometown Wasilla asked her to come and pardon one turkey, ok but then she contacted a whole interview answering questions, while right behind her just step away, a man was slaughtering one turkey after another. There were moments when she turned her back and looked and the man who was killing the animals looked at her. I cannot believe she stood there , seeing all the slaughtering and so much blood all over the place and on the man and kept still and was able to conduct a full blown interview. I was not sure whether to post this on the election boards, since election is over. Anyway this is sad for me because I do not eat any meat. My ds and dh do and that ok, but to personally stand and watch and not even so no emotion at all, what is wrong with this lady. You know I thought she was dumb, before , however this tops it all. How could anyone be near animals that being slaughtered and not even flinch or get upset with that. ALso this was lady so many people wanted for vice president, truly scary to not show any emotion at all. I only watched a few moments it was all my stomach could take..... Catherine

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I heard about that but haven't seen it. You have to remember she is a hunter and I bet a lot of Alaskans hunt too. In does seem rather inappropriate but to me it's just one of those "if you eat meat you can't complain" moments. However, since you don't eat meat, you can complain! lol lol lol

I heard about it, but just actually watched it for the first time. It didn't bother me, and honestly it wasn't as gruesome as you made it sound, there was 1 turkey and I didn't see any blood? Squirming feet yes.

We are meat eaters and come from a hunting family, so maybe that's why? Yes they could have done it a little more tastefully, but I wasn't offended.

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I saw it the night it was released to the public. In defense of her she didn't know what was going on behind her at the time. She didn't turn and make a full face to the man in the back. She was very wrapped up in the interview, Her looking over the shoulder wasn't to see what was going on but more of a movement as she spoke. her team for her has already released a comment about the interview.

Now for me. I'm also a meat eater and while I can't say it didn't bother me ( it did to a point, the kicking feet is what got me ) I'll still be eating tom turkey Thursday

Having watched my grandmother wring the necks of chickens, pluck them, and then singe whatever feathers remain off of the chicken--I'm pretty sure, watching a turkey get it's head chopped off isn't gruesome at all.

Oh, and having actually called wild turkeys, and then shot the big ole Tom as he came looking for the pretty little hen--nope, cutting their heads off are much more compassionate!

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I remember my granfather killing chicken in the back yard when I was a kid and watching it run around headless. If my grandmother ever saw a chicken in the road she would try to run him over with the car! So exactly, we grew up with that sort of thing, that's just how those turkeys in Shoprite get there.

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FTLOG. I saw the tape. I don't even like the woman and I can't find any fault. Even knowing what I was looking for it wasn't that gruesome.

First of all, the woman hunts. What was going on behind her wasn't going to be a blip on her radar. Secondly, I sincerely doubt she even knew it was going on.

Again, I don't like her, but I'm not going to go grasping at straws to crucify her.

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Well to me while I know its a fact of life that animals are slaughtered every single dat for human consupmtion, and I know she is a hunter. She did turn around and look and the guy who was doing the slaughter looked at her as well. Also for the poster who said there was no blood, yes there was all over the guys pants and you could clearly see all the blood in the container below him. The point or facts I am commenting on is that I felt it so strange to stand there right there a few feet and you can hear the noises and carry on a full interview, not for me , not the place for a interview at all, totally inappopriate in my honest views. Catherine

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<shrug>

I don't see the big deal.

We're all part of the circle of life. Ever see a wildebeast on Discovery Channel? We're all links in the food chain, from a religious perspective I believe that God intended that man consume animals and that animals consume other animals... and you can't very well eat a turkey live.

I actually think it's admirable that she's got the stomach to maintain an awareness of the entire process. I think way too many folks are all too happy to eat the fried chicken but are critical of 'chicken death.' I think most would agree that Palin lives with integrity in this regard, whether one agrees with her politics or not.

Those are very good comments!

Thanks!

I don't understand saying one's ds and dh eat meat and that's okay... but that it's not okay for animals to die at the hand of humans and have the humans present remain composed.

It is what it is. The turkey has to die somehow. It may not be for the squeamish, but the fact that she wasn't reduced to a wailing lump of blubber over fowl doesn't speak ill of her, IMHO.

She did know what was going on -- the interviewer asked her prior to the interview if she was ok with that being the backdrop.

Obviously, all of us that eat meat know that the animals are killed. This backdrop was unnecessarily grotesque, however. Every station that's run it that I've seen has pixilated several parts because of the gory images (they said.)

I don't think there's anything wrong with her agreeing to that backdrop, but it is wrong for her to claim now that she didn't know what was going on. She clearly looks back at one point and sees the process, although she wasn't watching the whole time. I think it just shows that she has a little bit of a tin ear. And a habit of lying when she gets caught in awkward situations. She's done the same thing to Katie Couric, when she lied about what Katie asked about the newspapers Palin reads.

Turkey Gate - The Fiasco That Wouldn’t Die. « Mudflats

None of it is a big deal, except for the way it illuminates Palin's character.

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You just can't quit, can you? Humans have been carnivores forever, and yes, some vegetarians. And yet, you can't quit, can you? You forgot to mention the love of your life 3 - 5 times in your op, though, maybe you do get a few things......

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I could not imagine myself doing that to a turkey therefore I will not eat turkey for a long time.
All I need now is to see a video of pigs being slaughtered and I will be a veggy.
I can't believe she would let that interview be shown to the world while turkeys are being slaughtered alive behind her.Thats just disgusting for even a meat eater to see.

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Dollydeal and Truble thanks so much for having some common sense, that I am not the only one who watched the video and could not believe that she was smiling and carrying on a full interview. NOw I stated that my dh and ds do eat meat, to me I do not not, is it ok not for me for them yes because they choose to eat meat. Its not the part of eating meat we are talking about here, but of course deddlast had to turn it around and make me look like the bad person. Does anyone on this thread personally think , they could have stand there and witness the slaughtering and hear the noises and see the blood and still maintain a smiling face. She knew was she going to do , she was going to pardon one turkey and be asked a few questions. Personally I have never seen a animals slaughtered, and I never want too. Yes I know its a every day fact of life and yes I know about the Lion Kind and the cirlce of life. BUt this comes a point in someone's life when there are inapporiate things you just do not do. Perhaps there were so of you here when you were younger and witnessed your grandparents slaughter a animal for a meal, but again to stand there right there, I guess like some its because she is a hunter. Catherine

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It's funny, not, becasue Sarah Palin is there to pardon one turkey,and then is dumb enough to do a interview, standing directly in front of the slaughter, its called Irony.. Then she adds and smiling this is neat, I was happy, to get invited to participate in this, Palin says with a smile, you need a bit of levity in this job...Catherine

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I haven't seen this, and if it comes on I probably wouldn't watch it. I do eat meat, but if I had to live on a farm and slaughter my own animals I don't think I would eat meat anymore. I could never eat an animal that I knew when it was alive or even seen. That is just me.
As for Sarah Palin I guess the way she was raised has alot to do with it. I think you become numb to it after so long.

I don't think it's so much that you're numb to it - you just don't see it as something to fret over.

I grew up around livestock and quail hunting while we didn't butcher anything with hooves ourselves, I saw my fair share of animal husbandry work and quail cleaning (and fish cleaning) and it just doesn't phase me. I never had to steel myself against the 'horrors' of it - it just was what it was.

I'm pretty sure that's right where Palin is. For her, there's nothing more to flinch at than if she was in front of an automaker tightening a bolt. It's part of their work, something they do every day, part of the process of how we get our food. Kinda like a Dr. wouldn't think twice about standing in front of an operating table with some guy's knee being repaired during an interview (other than his/her worrying that the germ-free environment might be compromised by a cameraman). It's just part of life.

I am sorry but you are out of line talking about Sarah Palin...I thought I could get away from politics on this board. I like Sarah Palin and am so tired of ways people are trying to discredit her. Give it up and enjoy your Thanksgiving...giving thanks, even for the turkey.

I once filleted a fish I caught, and after it was all done and over with there was only about 2 bites of fish and a large newspaper soaked full of blood and guts . I felt like a hideous ,evil ,murdering ,crazy sadistic monster afterwards.
How do people get numb to that stuff?I have watched sick bloody horror movies all my life.You would think I would be numb to it.But there is just a huge difference between a ficticious story and real life I guess. I think the ONLY way I could stomach doing something like that myself is if I was absolutely starving out of my mind.And it would not be something I would want to do for the whole world to see,lol.

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Really, you wanted to get away from politics but you chose to open a thread with Sarah Palin in the title? Hmmm, seems like you might have skipped this one if politics really bother you.

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Good grief, what kind of fish did YOU catch?

I've seen large fish (50+ lbs. catfish) that didn't bleed much when we cleaned it.

I've seen smaller fish (bass, crappy, bream, etc.) that when cleaned didn't bleed hardly at all.

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Sorry. . .I have to agree here. I grew up fishing my whole life. I've never seen one "soaked with blood and guts" after cleaning it. In fact there is usually very little blood at all. I don't think I would be able to field dress a deer, maybe that would be different if I grew up hunting, but gutting and cleaning a fish is no problem.

My mom grew up on a farm, and yes I've seen chickens get there necks wrung and I've plucked my share of them. You have to remember that it's only been a few generations since people had to kill and clean what they eat. I didn't think the video was that bad. It's just a fact of life.

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Well, my memory isn't as good as it was so it may not have been that bloody, but I remember it definately was a gory mess!
Oh, and I was not experienced at filleting fish.In fact I didn't even know what I was doing at the time,lol.It was my first and LAST time.

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I think the reason Catherine posted this is not to discredit Ms Palin but rather to point out the IRONY of pardoning a turkey while turkeys are being killed right behind you.

Whomever is advising Ms Palin on what she should do and say must be a real idiot.

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Just because she "pardoned "one turkey, Did you really think that meant that no more would be killed??

Considering that it was filmed at a Turkey farm where they kill turkeys what did you expect the back ground to be?

Well, since it was about pardoning a turkey,I would expect the background to have a beautiful fat turkey happily running around gobbling with joy and flaunting its pretty colorful feathers.

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Vegetables are alive when they are growing. Good thing they don't scream when they are pulled, plucked and cut down. What is a vegetarian to do. They don't believe in killing animals for food but it's ok to make shoes,coats,belts ect. just don't kill the animal?

I've always thought the same thing, icansavedaily. I mean... really. Are plants not *alive*?

I guess we'll find out in our next life!

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Annadrose that is exactly my point, she was asked to participate and pardon one turkey. I have personally seem many people do this on television and then they leave.I personally have never seen anyone pardon a turkey on farm where they are also slaughtering the animals as well. If she truly wanted to just pardon one turkey fine, do it and then leave.Also to the poster who thinks this is about Politics it is not, if it was I would have posted it on the election 2008 board. Also furthermore if this was any other candidate, like Obama, or McCain or Biden or Clinton or Bush I would have been equally disgusted, this was totally sad and definitely total bad judgement on her part as it would have been on any of the others I mentioned. Now if anyone wants to start discussing using dead animals for other means of human usage as clothes, belts, bags, this is not what this thread was about. It was simply about Sarah Palin given the opportunity to pardon one turkey and then stand there in full view of 2 other turkeys whom were slaughtered, if anyone did not witness the video and claims they did not see blood all over the man who was doing the act, nor did they see blood all over the container below him, then they are blind. Finally you can hear the turkeys making all sorts of noises and Sarah Palin herself turns around at one point and looks. Perhaps again as a hunter this is second nature for her, which is fine but to come on National Television, conduct a full pledge interview and even smile all the way through is totally sickening. Perhaps many of you hear seem to think you can deal with it, I cannot not and like the wonderful Paul McCarthy quoted if slaughter buildings were made of glass, no one would eat meat again. Edited to note it it totally anyones business to eat all the meat they want, Life is all about choices and I did not make this thread to question that. But the bottom line for me and so many others if you care to read all the comments about the video, what in the world was this lady or any other person thinking.. She made a bad choice... Catherine

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ROFL!!! '

'You must spread some reputation around before giving it to deddlastt again'.

I've spent way too much time reading this thread today but it's like a train wreck and I just can't stop looking.

Fist of all, the person who showed the poorest judgement in this situation was the cameraperson shooting the interview. Had he/she just shot this from another angle, we probably wouldn't have seen the business going on in the background.

Secondly, well..I'm editing myself here -- had a long paragraph typed out about proofreading but I think I'll just let it go.

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Are you stating I am afraid of Deddlast not all her, let her speak her peace and I will speak mine, that is what this forum is all about... It just drives Deddlast crazy cause Barack Obama will be our new president... Just because I mention his name over and over again, thats my business not hers..To say I love him it just as sick and Sarah Palin standing there like a complete idiot and conducting a interview, dear God Help us and thanks she was not voted in and would have been our vice President. She totally has no clue as to what she is saying or god forbid thinking. Also to the other poster, if you wanted to continue and post about proof reading, that was yet another dig to me with my grammar, what stopped you, I was waiting for that as well. Typical to reflect the issue at hand and talk about my grammar and how much I love Barack Obama...Catherine

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omg, Catherine, are you fond of placing a bullseye on your own back? omg Leave yourself wide open, girl..omg

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PS - I believe that you mean to "deflect" the issue - not "reflect" the issue.

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CJS216 i Waiting for you to post a comment and just knew it would be something like you posted,why would it be anything else, it seems like the same old nonsense over and over again, The same ladies all agreeing with the same ladies, it reminds me of being in junior high school.. your truly not concerned with the subject at hand, you just come here and post and seek drama, Instead of picking on me cjs216 why do you not just simply post your views on the original subject matter, instead no you just cannot be nice you have to come here and say something negative about me again, you just cannot help yourself can you such a drama queen you are. I sincerely hope you love wearing your crown. So nice so mature to totally go off topic and turn this post around 360 degrees and make it come back to me Catherine. I also sincerely hope it made your day. I know I can count and you and deedlast to chime it. Gheesh can any of you ladies think for yourself, must you all agree on the same thing and must you continue to find happiness on picking on me. Grow up this subject matter was about Sarah Palin,,, not me... Catherine

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well i was just trying to encourage you not to make yourself an easy target which is helpful not negative but instead you turn it around and this is what i get back why would it be anything else, omg its always the same nonsense and drama over and over again. so nice so mature omg to totally go off on another poster with a bunch of name calling and junior high behavior just because i don't want to read any more drivel about sarah palin when your run off the election board cuz their tired of it and bring it here which isnt the political cafe

nancymh - what does FTLOG mean? (never mind, looked it up - For the Love of God, for those as behind the times as me )

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First off cjs216 I do not need to you protect me in any way. Secondly this was not about the elections, it was a topic and as a topic it belonged here. Also if you think for on moment I was the only one person who talked on the election boards too much, cmom seriously there were way more people who totally dominated the elections boards I far was one of the people who did that. Listen I brought this topic here some agreed some did not.Again life is all about choices, however what started out as a thread about Sarah Palin turns into about me. Whatever..... This is the end of this post for, I posted my views and thoughts and so for anyone else here whom wants to continue and speak go ahead. Catherine

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I thought it was pretty funny in a really morbid kind of way. Not Palin...she's just giving the same ole gosh-darn talking points, but the looks the guy was giving her and the crew like "are you seriously going to film at that angle? Okay, I'll wait.....ah screw it, it's friggin' cold out here" and off he goes.

The other thing that made me laugh was how much it reminded me of that scene in 'Fargo'..."So that was Mrs. Lundegaard on the floor in there. And I guess that was your accomplice in the wood chipper. And those three people in Brainerd. And for what? For a little bit of money. There's more to life than a little money, you know. Don'tcha know that? And here ya are, and it's a beautiful day. Well. I just don't understand it." Add that to Palin's accent and I have to admit I laughed my way through most of it.

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Yep, as usual -- you "posted your views and thoughts" over and over and over (I believe it's EIGHT TIMES in this one thread) I could be wrong, but I don't "think" any other posters post multiple times in every thread -- especially not to repeat themselves over and over and over.

I've never seen anyone who can beat a topic to death the way that you can

Ok I got curious and looked it up on youtube. I think she had no clue that contraption was a turkey deheader or whatever it was.. heck I wouldn't have known either.. to me it looked like some kind of feeder and maybe, just maybe.. the guy started killing the turkeys after she started talking.. and I didn't see her turn and look at him.. I saw her look to her side he was behind her and I didn't hear any screaming turkeys.. did I watch the wrong one???

I think the poor woman can't do anything right for some people.

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DITTO!!! My eyes bleed every time i have to read her posts too.

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Thanks truble2301 for making that comment, I was going to say something and so glad you did, this thread was not about me, however of course it got turned around and became about me. I guess I just have to realize that their are such some ladies on this board who simply cannot say anything nice and must add fuel to the fire. Also to Kelljef, I know how much you love Bush, thats ok however if you think for one moment that I totally dominate a board with all my posts. However Kellyjef your wrong, if you take a moment and go back to the election boards, there were plenty of members who posted way more times then I ever did, funny how you only remember me and not the others irony its called correct... Again thanks Truble2301 you always speak the truth.. Catherine

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Well, I finally watched the video. It wasn't as bad as it was made out to be. I guess it depends on where you're from and what you're used to. I honestly don't think she knew what was going on behind her. She didn't actually do a complete TURN and stare. She sort of looked over her shoulder and turned back around. I fault the cameraman. The cameraman could have turned to shoot at a different angle. Gov. Palin didn't know the angle he was shooting. She may have thought he was zoomed in more. I think you're faulting the wrong person.

Also to add, if this thread isn't about politics, why does the OP keep referring to Obama? (SIGH)

It never ends, does it??

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I too didn't see any blood, I believe the container was painted red so you didn't notice the blood.

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OK, so if we don't agree with what you say - we don't have any common sense? I have to agree with some of the other posters that you seem to enjoy stirring the pot.

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So do you think YOU were being NICE when you started this post about Sarah Palin?


What did you expect??
Common sense tells us that those that don't like her will find fault. Just like you did!!

Most domesticated turkeys are white. Most wild turkeys are brown/black and have "pretty" feathers. But NEITHER wild or domesticated would be considered colorful.

And, only male turkeys "flaunt"--generally referred to as "strutting", and generally when the male is either looking for a "girl", or protecting his territory.

Yes, I know you were "just saying", but really, you are expecting something that is unrealistic.

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Listen I did not come here to start trouble with me posting about Sarah Palin, however it seems like some of you think I did, the bottom line is this, if you viewed the video you will see and hear the slaugher going on right behind her there is no doubt in this > I have taken enough bad and nasty comments especially the one who claims her eyes bleed when she reads my posts. Cmom actress Hollywood is calling you. I have stated before by you ladies keep coming here and posting negative comments about me, you seriously think, you made youself look good, it does not, it only makes the same ladies look good to each other. So keep going I should have named the post,Omg did anyone see Catherine on a Wasilla farm when they were killing the turkeys. All the video's I veiwed all contain 2 turkeys being killed and if you turn the volumn up high enough you can hear the turkeys making awful noises, why in world would anyone want to stand a few feet knowing what was going on and then stand there and laugh and carry on a full interview. This is the lady some of you ladies wanted to be our new vice president.. So keep going you only have a few posts before it will be closed. On a final note, thanks for be so unkind, I sincerely hope you made your day happy to keep harping on catherine. Also I am not looking for anyone's pity, nor do I need it or want it. Catherine

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