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Thanks so much for posting this. I will forward this information to my brother Micheal, who sadly truly sadly he decided to quit his city job, because of the long driving distance to and from his home, he lives upstairs with his family, wife and three children, my parents live downstairs. Long story short when he gave up his job, in which he vested 23 years. He also gave up a wonderful health care coverage. My dad has been trying to obtain some sort of medical coverage for my brother and his family. While my sister in law works 2 full time jobs as well, she only gets miminal health coverage for herself. My brother who now drives for a limo service around the area has no medical coverage. So thanks, I deeply appreciate the above information... Peace... Catherine

That's not sad, that's stupid.

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c.j Itotally agree with you I should have said sad for his family, doing what he did was extremely immature on his part. But there are many problems to start here to discuss about my brother Micheal, my Dad was soooo upset with him, because he vested 23 years and only had 7 more years to go to retire. So now with him leaving after 23 years, he must wait till he is 65 to collect only 27 percent of his pay. My dad also worked for the city however my dad had 30 years into the job and when he turned 65, he has been collecting his full salary. But my brother is stubborn and did not listen to my dad. And now like I said he has 3 kids 2 of whom have heart defects like my ds Thomas. My brother acted too foolishly . The most ironic part of it all, he did not want to do the traveling, but now he drives for a personal limo service and he drives all day. My parents and I think there was some other issues, why he quit so fast, its more then the driving. You know he just turned 42 on 11/25 he is a grown man there is nothing I can do. Life like I said is all about choices and he made a bad decision, because it effects his whole family... Peace.. Catherine

Thanks for posting this, OP. I sent it to a friend of mine who has a family of three boys and no health insurance and her husband is laid off from work.

I think this information is very helpful and could make a difference.

Isn't it nice when people can agree that good can come out of spreading the weath?

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Reading is Fundamental.

These Federally funded centers have been around for at least the last 10 years.
They are usually staffed by recently graduated MDs. It use to be that the MDs got to count their time in working in one of these systems towards any debt they may have incurred by taking federally funded loans to pay for college and Med school.

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Oh yeah, nice for them. Some guy can quit his job because he doesn't like the commute and now I get to pay for healthcare for him and his kids.

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Tessa wow that hurt, the guy who did not like the commute is my brother. I already said there is more to the story and I also agreed that he made a horrible mistake especially for his family. However if someone of your family experienced this would you not want someone to help them if not the adults how about the kids who are innocent, sadly again due to my brothers mistake...While I feel and know my brother made a huge mistake. one he has to live with for the rest of his life,, there are plenty of people out there who totally abuse the system and they do not even have kids..So please think about that, also this thread is not about my brother, I choose to come here and speak because he has been trying to get some help, right now with my Dad he is looking into some sort of program, where my Brother would have to pay 185.00 per month for his family for some what health insurance. Right now I cannot think of the plan off the top of my head and my Dad is asleep, but I will ask him tomorrow...Btw what the heck. Like I said before there is more to the story, as many here know I suffer from panic attacks and so does my brother, he also suffers from depression, yes he has been on medication for a long time. He also tired suicide one time about 7 years ago.Anyway like I said he did have to commute a long distance 12 times a week. My dad advised him not to quit to go to the union rep and explain his story, he has medical proof and his conditions and documented proof of being under a doctors care. He was missing so so so many days, ok then his boss told him if he my brother would continue to take days off, he would demote him. Of course it happened and my brother was upset and being the stubborn person he is . He quit just like that and my Dad was so upset. Like I said he made a terrible mistake, I was not in his shoes and he now must pay for it.However everyone needs some form of health issurance especially for the children.. Whew .thanks listening... Catherine

There will always be people who take advantage of the system. The poster acknowledges her brother did something stupid. Meanwhile, there are people who are involuntarily unemployed or underemployed who are benefiting from this program and, more importantly, innocent children of those people.


We all pay for state and federal programs that we personally wouldn't choose to support.

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The bad thing about it is they go by your household income and not your own individual income.For me for example , they do not take in consideration that my bf will not pay my medical bills but they go by his income in determining how much I pay reguardless of the fact that I have no income.So therefore I have to do without.Also , some of those so-called free clinics that say they are free to people with no income are not completely telling the truth.They will care for you but afterwards they will send you a huuuuuge bill. And they will call you 5 times a day,every day until you are able to make a payment.

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Assuming that you live with your boyfriend: Does Ohio recognize common-law marriage? If they do, then you may be able to get on his insurance at work as a spouse. But the biggest question I have is why doesn't he feel it's part of his responsibility to pay for your medical?

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There is no common law marriage in Ohio.

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Correct, there are plenty of people who abuse the system. That is why I do not think good comes out of spreading the wealth. Enabling comes out of spreading the wealth. People abusing the system comes out of spreading the wealth. Maybe if we weren't spreading the wealth so much there would be personal accountability and responsibility. Truble said it was nice we could all agree that something good comes out of spreading the wealth then you both admitted that people abuse the system, that is not good. That is a broken system.

And yes, it is nice for people to help others in need, but nicer still when that help is voluntary and not forced. Would it be nice for me pay someone to shovel my elderly neighbor's walk if she is unable to do it herself and cannot afford to pay someone else to do it. Of course that would be nice. Is it nice for the government to tell me I HAVE TO pay someone to shovel my elderly neighbor's walk or I go to jail. No, that is not nice. I personally do not want to help your brother. If you want to help him, great. If Truble wants to help him, give her his address so she can send a check. I would prefer to choose who I help.

Your brother made a mistake or had some bad luck, whatever. But I don't know why that is my problem. He worked for this company for 23 years. I assume he was responsible and saved at least 10% of his income, perhaps buying only used cars or forgoing cable or a cell phone to make sure he was saving and living within his means. So if he was responsible all those years he should have a nice little nest egg that will provide for him and his family, cover private insurance until he can find another job. Or heck, even if he just put away $50/month that would give him over $20,000 at a measly 3% interest. He did that, right? That would be almost two years of private insurance at $900/month.

Yes of course, blah blah blah, people are under employed or involuntarily unemployed and need these services. But that doesn't make spreading the wealth nice, it makes it forced charity under the threat of incarceration. Why not just let us all chose the charities we want to support. If you think it is important for a person who quit his job to have health insurance than you donate to that organization. I would prefer to donate my money to shelters that provide a haven for abused women and children.

And yadda yadda yadda the children. There is already a health insurance program for low income children, medicaid. And many states also have their own health insurance for children. So enough with the child guilt already.

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Wonderful. I agree with just about everything you said. I, too, have been and continue to be very tired of everyone in my pockets. Entitlement stinks. And you said it, child guilt, no problem from me on that one. To be blunt, you breed em, you feed em. I do my part with what I can give and it should be MY choice, my terms. Wonderful. I still can't rep or you would be the recipient of a positive.

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Wow tessa some harsh words from you. For starters blah blah blah the children, those are my neice and my 2 nephews. Do you Tessa have children or grandchildren if god forbid something happened and they needed medical issurance and did not have it or perhaps you would even need it someday. Would you not expect someone to help you. As far as what my brother has in his personal savings I do not know this. I do know that my sister in law works one full time job, and a part=time job. My brother works about 65 hours week with driving. My nephew also works and so does my niece. They are truly trying. Again like I said you showed not one least piece of compassion, but again may you never have to experience or need financial or health issurance from the state.Truly sad that you feel above those who have fallen on hard times. Again not to make light of the suituation, my brother did make a huge mistake. He is paying for it now with working many hours and still dealing with his anxiety and depression, really nice of you , to kick someone down, when they are already so low.... Catherine

To deddlastt, wow another rude post from you once again.. Are you a mom or do you have grandchildren or perhaps one day you , yourself might need help. Pray you will not, because there will be people just like you , who could care less and then lets see how you feel. Again no compassion what so ever, but coming from you, I honestly never expected it at all. Findly to quote you you breed em, you feed em.. really nice, real compassion, not at all, truly mean spirited as always with you..If everyone is this world believed in your quote no one would ever get help. Shame on you ..... CAtherine

Catherine, many of your posts are rude and about YOURSELF, you can't stop, even when you have promised that you would. That is, once we have attempted to maneuver the spelling and grammar (those are two different things, btw) errors and try to follow your thought process. I am not the only one to have tried to let you know of the ways to make your posts easier to comprehend. Yet you continually pounce on me. So be it. You can't keep your own rudeness nor selfishness out of your posts, they are laced with it.

Now back to this post, to stay on topic, re-read what tessa67 wrote. She balanced the abusers with those who do need a little help. You came here and spilled all kinds of details about your brother, starting with how awful it was what happened to him. Then you said he QUIT his job, for crying out loud. He did this to himself. You seem to think he's the only one in the entire country having to drive a distance, not liking his job anymore, or whatever else you want to rationalize. You know what? There are many, many people working their job and not wanting to, but knowing they have to. They don't quit knowing they have a family to support and try to provide insurance for. They don't let their parents try to take care of them or find them insurance! You come on a public message board and give so many details about him that I think it's rude. Please stop before you tell more!

Yes, I agreed about the unresponsible people who have kids and can't care for them. I wasn't talking about someone who has had life changing circumstances - beyond their control. People who have something happen beyond their control are humble and dig in to turn it back around. They don't just stand in line (after sitting in front of the tv) with their hand out for the rest of their life.

I care, and I do things on my own, as I previously stated. However, it should be on my terms, with what I can do since, again, everyone has their hands in my pockets already. Additionally, no, I will not write about what I do - it's a very private thing to me and not a boastful thing. That is part of the reason I am tired of the abusers, I see it on a personal level.

As others have, I implore you (ask, beg) to revisit your thought process, posting style, etc. You continually deny and yet tell us you are a paraprofessional while contradicting yourself. There is nothing professional about what we've seen here, much less all the details about your brother with your rationalization. People here have tried to be helpful and you can't see it, you don't understand it. So if you want to continue to pound away, you do it. Keep wringing your hands and posting over and over and over how sorry you are, how you won't do it again, etc, etc.

dl

dl you seem to think, you speak for all the whole board , when it comes to me,You do not, it jsut comes down to you and I not agreeing on a certain subject. I explained everything about my brother. If he was sitting back and not working then I could understand.However he made a huge mistake, as we me and you dl do sometimes.In the end If you truly think I am rude, which I am not, then so be it. Go ahead continue to post. Lets see who is the more mature person here. I am done with you...Catherine

dollydeal - I don't understand your situation. It seems like if you are not common law married, then you are roommates. I would not think that a roommate's income would disqualify you from low-income health care benefits. Is that really how that works? On the other hand, it seems like you're able-bodied and intelligent, can you get a job so that you do have an income and hopefully some health insurance?

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Yes,around here that is how it works.I'm not that concerned for myself though right now.I just have to be really careful and take extra care of myself.I seemed to be able to recover from anything on my own but god forbid I break a leg ,then I would be stuck.Not having insurance tends to make you VERY careful and health conscience.I'm not working now because I more needed at home right now.My bf has a very good job right now and I am his sole transportation.I also bring him his lunch everyday.
It is very difficult to find a job with the hours I could work.And I could not work while he was at home because he would get himself into all kinds of trouble,lol. So, it just works out better this way.He has said he would pay for my health insurance if I ever really needed it.Right now is not a good time for us though as we are paying off a huge debt from my past right now and things are tight.We have managed to save enough money for about 4 months of living if he happens to lose his job.We are trying to save more.Its really important for us to get some money saved up right now due to the state of the economy.

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Dolly, may I ask two questions. 1. While you bf is at work, why would he get into trouble. Also second question if you are his sole means of transportation, could you not work perhaps a part-time job to help with your debts and even perhaps some part-time jobs offer you some little health issurance. Just asking, because as you quoted if you broke your leg, how would you by get to work and how could you keep him out of trouble. Also if you did perhaps god forbid broke your leg and you had to go to the emergency room and even more have surgery to repair the break, you would be left with a really expensive hospital bill and be in more debt.. Peace. Catherine

For question #1, sorry but that info is classified and not releasable to the public.
As for question #2 , the jobs that I have applied for that would allow me to only work a few hours a day I have not gotten hired.Its not like I can just pick any job I want and get hired.Unfortunately I am not scholastically smart and skilled as most of you are.And my grammar isn't any better either,lol.

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Ok dolly then i sincerely wish the best for you and your suituation and hope perhaps , you may be able to find some sort of job. As far as the grammar try not to worry to much about that, no one person is perfect, there are plenty of jobs to have perhaps as a cashier or babysitting or working in a retail store or a waitress. Good Luck.. Peace. Catherine

And there it is, in black and white, the difference. Would you not expect someone to help you. No I would not expect someone to help me. I can help myself (and my daughter), thanks anyway. I am a single mom, in school and working. I am paying for private insurance, $300/month, out of my pocket. Or to be more specific, out of my bank account. Because when I was working full-time I was also saving. I often worked two jobs. So no, I would never EXPECT someone else who has done the right thing and has been reponsible to help me.

Why should I have compassion for your brother and his family? He didn't fall on hard times, he picked up hard times and hit himself in the head with it.

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Sorry to go OT - but tessa67, I thought you were married to a sailor who was in Iraq while you were pregnant....or am I not remembering right? I am so sorry if things didn't work out there....sounds like your little girl is still the light of your life though!

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No, you are remembering right. But things are sooooo much better now. And my daughter is my life!!! I am taking care of her and working towards a Masters in Occupational Therapy so I can give us a great life. Thanks for the kind words cjs216.

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Tessa right now things seem to be ok for you now. However things can change over night. Perhaps then you and your dd would need some help, would you then expect someone to help you and your dd, I would certaintly think you would. As far as my brother, I said it over and over again, he made a terrible mistake, so many millions of people do it everyday. However he did pay into his social security for 23 years and also like i said, if he was sitting on his couch all day doing nothing I could understand your harsh feelings. However he is working about 65 hours a week and again my sister in law is also working many hours, they need to, they have a family to support. Also 2 of their teenage children work as well. What more do you want.Tessa you should not talk and be so proud that your a single parent and take care of things all by yourself, you never know what tomorrow may bring, hopefully everything will be ok for you. But perhaps it might not be, and then what would you do to support your dd, you just might need help yourself. I am not asking for a hand out for my brother , just some miminal health insurance, as, you should know from your dd is so important.. Catherine

I agree, people that can help themselves really should. I know there are truly some people who can't, and they should be helped. The ones who choose to leap off the bridge, and take their children with them??? Sorry, something is not right with that picture. I know DH and I would NEVER give up the benefits of a job without being covered by another, or having a back up plan. I have always been a planner, and take responsibility for myself, and children. I just don't understand the way some people live.

Tessa, GOOD FOR YOU - what a shining example you are setting for your DD

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um, she speaks for a lot more of us than you think.

I am grateful, though, that you're not teaching my children: "you speak for all the whole board" Your poor grammar and spelling wouldn't bother me if you weren't teaching children: that's pretty scary.

All I can say to you Kellyjef, keep posting negative about me and all you do is seek more drama. There are so many wonderful kind ladies on this board whom I rather discuss issues with. Like you said Kellyjef, you made the post about your health issurance going up. perhaps one day you may need some help, which was suppossed to be the op thread to offer help and information about anyone who is unisured, it is so easy to cast stone at someone. I am so sorry I ever mentioned my brothers problems.Why, because you have once again turned it around on me. Also for the 100th time leave me and my grammar alone, its so old. Final note it is not scary that I work with children, its that you have so much time on your hands to keep causing trouble and worry about my grammar, get a life.. You may answer me back but you will not get a answer so post away,your now on my ignore list.....

Cathrine, please accept these thoughts in the spirit in which they are intended. I am not trying to bash you.

Have you ever seen the show "What Not to Wear?" If not, it's a show on the Discovery Channel (I think!) in which people apply to have a couple of brash tv show hosts show up and re-vamp the appearance of a friend of theirs who looks rather sloppy. They typically take on a person who seems to have a good heart but who, for whatever reason, people just don't take very seriously because their presentation is so poorly orchestrated. By the end of the show, usually after a lot of pain and frustration on the part of the sloppy dresser, they have a big reveal party where she shows up looking amazingly spiffed up for her friends and family.

When you are out and about and meeting people, one of the first ways people judge you is by your appearance. It *says* something. Whether your style is a pair of sweat pants and a t-shirt or 9" heels or 'Friday Office Casual", people generally feel like they can get a good feel for a person just by the way they present themselves to the world. None of this has to do with judging anyone's heart or intentions, but it does impact how seriously one is taken.

If a bank teller showed up in a Hooters t-shirt, it really wouldn't matter how accurately she could count cash. The statement she'd have made would be enough to send people to another line.

If an order taker at a fast food place was covered in dog hair and grease, people would walk out the door.

If a newly elected president showed up for his inauguration in nothing but a Speedo every voter who voted for him would immediately begin to question his or her own judgment.

None of this means those people aren't kind to their children or that they don't pay their bills or that they deserve incarceration. But people whose presentation is *wrong* for the venue wind up having the focus taken *off* of the intentions of their presence and *on* to the aspect of them that seems so ill-suited to the event/activity.

What does this have to do with anything?

This is an internet message board. People visit places like this to satisfy curiosity about what other people think and feel, to get feedback for their own thoughts, to... well, they come for as many different reasons as there are posters here. And the way exchanges take place, obviously, is through the written word.

The written word comes with rules of conduct and expectations. While people do have posting styles - some abrasive and brash, some rather 'cheerleadery', some positive and some negative, etc., and while everyone comes with different opinions and personalities, the basic rules of communication, grammar, and punctuation are not set by the personality of the poster, but by a commonly held set of standards.

When people don't adhere to that set of standards and instead go renegade and haphazard, just like the president in the Speedo, nobody can pay attention to the thought that is being expressed because they are so distracted by the lack of adherence to the rules of discourse.

Again, please know this is not simply an attempt to bash you. Your writing is typically full of errors, from grammar to spelling to run-on sentences. Your thoughts are expressed in a rambling, almost drunk-sounding tone when I read them aloud to myself. The way it comes across - at least on my end - is that you just don't care how your thoughts are perceived by the recipient of them. It's as though you just have all this stuff you want to expel from your thoughts, straight through your fingers, and whether or not your audience can easily process what you are trying to communicate is not important to you.

Just like the teller in the Hooters T, your posts attract so much negative attention because they show disregard for the venue, and they make it difficult for many to take you seriously. They also make you a very easy target for anyone having a bad day, for anyone who disagrees with the premise you seem to be trying to communicate in a sloppy style, or for anyone who simply appreciates behavior respectful of the time others spend here.

Wowitsdark, I honestly do not know where to begin, with all you have written. I deeply appreciate you taking the time to write all this . However there are some points I agree with you and there are some I do not. However I have decided to personally refrain from posts that I deem that are quote too hot to touch, or in other words to controversy.Not to make myself look good, however the show you mentioned what not to wear, personally I work for the public school system, I get dressed up everyday. However from being on this board and also from begin on the general chat as mycoupons.com used to have. Its the same story, its the same chatting, its the same nonsense.You have to admit there are certain posters on this board whom are not nice at all, they come here to seek trouble and drama and some totally dominate the boards. This is not a fact just here, its a fact on all boards of the same type of chit chat or a general speaking forum. So again a couple of things. I am plain sick of hearing about my grammar, If I made a post and someone comes back with a rude or nasty remark, I will refrain and not answer, to me its not worth the upset on my part. You said when I write, I write as if I am writing in a drunk state, that is plain rude. I was the one if you remember when back in the summer, who started the thread about Alcoholism not being a illness, but rather a choice, so how dare you compare me to writing in a state of being drunk. Futhermore, I realize as this is a cafe we are all women, here to discuss many issues or points of view. We all may never agree on everything, but that does not give the right to some people to continue to come down on someone. I answered this to cjs216 and told her I have been a member here a long time. I also expressed to her about my level of trader feedback . To which she told me that its a different story, that my reputation here was low. Ok if you believe that, this is suppossed to be a fun board to visit to discuss issues, to share, to laugh, to argue sometimes, to hopefully help each other with our daily problems. Now as a big coupon trader, to date I have the most wonderful positive trader feedback .Does this not count for nothing, If I was a bad trader that would be horrible. How could I be the same person, some of you claim I am with my thought process and grammar, yet I still have the best trader feedback which is very important. In the end like I said I am going to refrain from really hot topics and prefer to take it lightly.I also have decided to use the ignore buttons for some as I truly do not wish to hear any more negative comments about me...Thanks for the vent.. Catherine

Catherine, I am out the door and have no time to really say much, other than this...

When I said that you sound drunk in your posts, what I meant was this...

You often don't use punctuation. Without periods, where sentences just run into each other, they 'sound' slurred (drunk) when you read them. When there are commas placed between the end of one thought and the beginning of another, and the second (or third or fourth) thought in the series begins with a capital letter, it's hard to tell when you meant to actually put a period, or you meant to use a lowercase letter and just goofed up.

Punctuation tells the reader a lot about how to interpret what is being said, and poorly used punctuation does make posts 'sound' drunk. Punctuation is the best way to imply inflection with the written word, and when the inflection is all goofed up... it *sounds* drunk.

And as cj said, the analogy with the tv show was an analogy. Just as presenting oneself visually in an out-of-sync way leaves people with a certain impression, presenting ones thoughts using grammar and punctuation that is out of sync also leaves an impression, and it's hard to focus on the *person* behind the thoughts when the thoughts are presented poorly.

Still again wowitsdark, you still are concerned with my grammar, for godsakes, if my grammar and comma's and periods at the end of the sentences bother you sooooo much , you got the problem. Do you seriously not have more important matters in your personal life, then my grammar.Listen for you and whomever else get a life.Your not perfect, no one single person is perfect. Stop casting stones at my grammar, honestly you ladies have serious issues . Cjs 216 for the last time I am a grown women I do not need or want your advice at all..... Catherine

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Catherine, I'm not 'concerned' about your grammar.

You seem flustered and frustrated that people are focusing on your presentation rather than the substance and meaning you are trying to get across.

I am trying to help you understand that if you want others to comprehend you in the way that you would like them to, you are going to have to present yourself in a way that gives honor to your thoughts - by expressing them using the standard rules of grammar that we were all taught - dare I say it - beginning in kindergarten.

If a thought is worth sharing, respect it enough to share it in a way that others can fully understand it like you want them to. Anything less is an injustice to yourself.

wowitsdark, can you kindly stop , you say its not about my grammar, but yet you still posting and mention my grammar so much it is getting out of hand. What about my posts is so bad , seriously and what about any of the other poster's post's are so wonderful. You said enough, I heard it, ok , now will you kindly leave me alone. Thank you. Catherine

How can she answer the question that you asked if she is to leave you alone? Things that make you go hmmm.

I'll leave you with one last thought then.

You know I'm a conservative, but I'll admit that I wish that GWB had the communication skills of your beloved BHO. I think a big part of GWB's lack of gaining ground in the court of public opinion had to do with the *way* in which he communicated. Had he had BHO's gift of proper grammar he'd have had more respect. Ever hear anyone mock him for his pronunciation of the word "nuclear"?

I rest my case. Carry on.

I think your theory about Bush's communications skills is badly flawed. I think his "aw, shucks" manner of speaking played a large part in him getting elected, actually.

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Elected, yes, but once he was governing it was a hindrance. He rarely seemed at ease in press conferences, and that made him fodder for his enemies.

It's a shame, actually, when someone has something substantive to say and it gets lost in awkward syntax. The poster that is the subject of this thread has occasionally expressed herself very well, and I have every confidence that if the internal motivation was there, every post could be very readable.

Wowitsdark, I do have the internal motivation to post readable material. You mentioned the one syntax, which of course, means certain rules that applies to proper sentence construction. Ok now take for example the everyday standard poster on these boards, do you honest think, when they are posting, when they come here for advice, do you seriously think most posters are worried about grammar. Do you also feel, that they would ever use the word syntax, I do not agree. My first instinct, when I decided to come over to the cafe, was a chance to get to meet new people . I also thought perhaps there would be some subjects of a particular interest to me. I also thought if perhaps a thread came about that I could possibly offer some sound advice to someone. I never thought in my wildest vivid imagination, there would be no much conversations and so much importance concentrated on my bad grammar, or my run on sentence's. I honestly thought this would be a fun place to visit and chit chat has us women often do alot of. However I realize now , that with some members, the proper grammar is a much bigger issue then I have ever realized. In the end, I could summarize this thread by simply stating, there are more vital important things in life to be concerned with. I must admit Wowitsdark you did dominate this thread trying to help me.So I would sincerely appreciate if you or anyone else could perhaps lighten up a bit .Also I do not want to be judged and worry every single time I post and fear that someone will come back and become my English teacher as if I was back in school. Ok ?? Thanks. Peace. Catherine

Catherine, that post was about 100x better than the others. Seriously.

Writing here does not to be King James Version formal. I think I'm probably the worst offender of the "..." on these boards. I just don't think there is a good reason *not* to write reasonably coherent posts. They don't take any longer to write than sloppy ones. If it feels like an effort at first, that's okay - it gets easier and becomes second nature eventually.

I found MC years ago because a member of a Yahoo group on frugality mentioned it repeatedly. This is exactly how her posts looked:

I DO NOT thin k teh peopl eon my - LOL!!!!! - LOL!!!!!!!....lolL...."COUPONB oard" taht I read would ereve even TIHNK of try-ing ot gte DEALS more tahn 1 time if it say son teh cupon that you CANNOT ... lol!! - LOL!!!!!!!!! - however on teh endocarp at target i always - LOL!!!!!!!!!!!! - fnid GREAT bargains so THANK you - LOL! LOL! LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!

Seriously... it was lazy. How hard would it have been to sit up in her chair and type:
I don't think the people on the coupon board that I read would ever even think of trying to get deals more than one time if the coupon says they can't! lol However, on the endcap at Target I always find great bargains, thank you very much! lol

I just think it shows disrespect for the time of the reader if they have to work hard to figure out what you are trying to say, when all it takes is a little bit of attention to write a solid sentence. Perfect all the time isn't the goal, in my opinion. This is a fairly informal 'place'. I'm more apt to say, "Hi, ya'll!" than, "Salutations to each of you, my comrades in savings!"

But just because it's not filled with high-brow PhD candidates doesn't mean it's not important to communicate clearly, informal or not. The last post of yours was definitely something I think anyone would have an easy time reading! Kudos!

Wowitsdark, a sincere thanks for hanging in there with me. I also sincerely hope and pray, we both can move forward from this . Again many thanks for all your help. Have a pleasant night. Peace. Catherine

I completely disagree that it was his speech that made him fodder for anything. It was his policies, and his lies. But that belongs on another board, I guess, so I'll leave it at that.

I do not understand the constant criticism of this particular poster for her grammar and syntax. There is at least one other poster, who primarily posts on the politics board, that continually uses and misuses ellipses and "LOLs" and other annoying written tics. I don't see anyone jumping on her. Can't people just leave Catherine alone? If her posts annoy people that much, just put her on ignore.

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Remember that all types of people are among us here - and that number goes up exponentially when you factor in the *lurkers* - has anyone ever looked at that number in the right column before you open a thread - the one that states how many people have actually opened the thread? Sometimes the number of people who have opened it is ten times the number of people who have posted.

So - some posters come to these boards with one huge paragraph, and others leave a curiously succinct message from time to time. That's life.

Call me nutty, but I think that's what underscores our uniqueness as a collective board of posters. I don't read posts that get too wordy - regardless of the poster, but I still think that poster should feel good enough to post.

I do understand several posters have attempted to address one poster and her style - and I know, based on who the several posters are, that it is done to be helpful.

But since help has been denied umpteen times, let's just carry on, and enjoy the reality. In life we don't see the need to correct people so painstakingly - unless it's our family member.

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Interesting, devinmom. I thought the number of views reflected not only "lurkers" (I hate that term - it's so derogatory when there's really nothing wrong with reading but not necessarily writing!), but also people who come back to read the updates in a thread. I thought it updates views everytime each person views a thread, not just once per person....I'll have to test that!

Oh well, back to our previously scheduled programming.....LOL

cj/

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Can't agree with that one.

But I completely agree with this.

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I still think I'm right here. His speech did make him fodder. It wasn't the single thing that made him fodder. It's rather like the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. That it made him fodder isn't the whole truth... but it's certainly part of the truth. If someone was already predisposed to disagreeing with him, that he was not well-spoken was just icing on the cake and 'proof' to them that he didn't go very deep. Of course, I disagree with that perspective on him... but I don't think he did himself any favors when after eight years he still wasn't saying nuclear correctly.

I can't say about the election board - I got busy with a work-related project, needed to focus, and knew I had a tendancy to let the discussions over there distract me while I was on my computer working. I told myself I couldn't even peek over there for three days, until I got my work done... and I realized I had a lot more mental peace after that three days and haven't clicked on it since!

I think we're all more forthright here than we are IRL. At least I know that I am. There are things I would think but never say to someone IRL because of the need to maintain a relationship (working, family, friendship... whatever!). I think the anonimity of a forum like this lends itself to more forthright interaction - and probably criticism - and there's probably both good and bad in that. We just may learn more about ourselves and the way others perceive us *here*, where we let our thoughts hang out, than we do IRL.

This seems unusually cruel to me.

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Well said, wowitsdark. That's a pretty amazing concept. Thank you.

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Thanks for the info, OP

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I just emailed the mods at mycoupons.com helpdesk. Posting information from another website concerning a member here is againist the rules. I just emailed them a few moments ago and am waiting for their answer. I will not post any information concerning the other site, because of the rules.I would never post any information concerning another member, that concerned another website. Terribly rude. For anyone who thinks I may be a bad trader just simply go to the feedback forum here and look under my name. Thanks so much. Catherine

Catherine, once again you don't get it. I didn't see information concerning another site, only generic discussion. Nothing was divulged ON this board. It was offered privately, as is the policy here.

I will ask since you have yet to deny it. Are you a bad trader elsewhere? Here is the opportunity to clear up your good name/reputation.

dl

dl. Did you not read Kellyjef's post that she has a link about me and that she forwarded it over to anyone who wanted it, if you read the rules at mycoupons.com, it clearly states no discussion concerning a member coming from another website is againist the rules. If you feel you need to know more about me which is not the truth, then simply ask Kellyjef for the link. My personal trading history here at mycoupons.com speaks for itself.You and Kellyjef are just seeking trouble and causing drama. Catherine

~smacking head against wall~

Yes, I did read it. However, I do not see where what you stated above is at mc. Making a post with information is different from a pm or an email, the latter two of which are not public. But whatever, again, trying to help you and you don't get it. You have posted more information about yourself and your family than folks here normally do.

Your last sentence is not true and I see your new words to type over and over and over are to accuse others of seeking trouble and causing drama.

One could derive from your continued diatribe about your trading record here that indeed, it is less than stellar elsewhere. I will ask again:

Are you a bad trader elsewhere? Here is the opportunity to clear up your good name/reputation.

dl