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Old 12-19-2008, 01:25 AM
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Wink MIchelle Duggar gave birth to her 18th child today a girl

Michelle Duggar gave birth via c-section today to her 18th child a girl named Jordan , I am not spelling it correctly I veiwed it from my aol page, they spelled it different, however in keeping with naming all their children;s name beginning with J they continued. She also spoke and said they are looking forward to more children, yikes I could never ever imagine it, however since we have 2 discussions on the board about 2 other reality shows, so any thoughts or views... Peace.. Catherine
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Old 12-19-2008, 01:29 AM
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The new babys full name is Jordyn Grace Makiya Duggar.. Catherine
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Old 12-19-2008, 02:02 AM
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This same subject comes up at the beginning and ending for last 4 babies here.I don't care if they have a 100 kids their money, their time, their energy, their lives. Not for me, but hey then again, to some 1 child is too many.
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Old 12-19-2008, 05:55 AM
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I have a hard time believing that those kids get much attention from their parents as individuals. They seem more like notches on a bedpost than children anymore. But I'm sure there are plenty of families with only one kid where the child gets no attention either. I guess as long as the parents can support the kids, it's not my business.
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Old 12-19-2008, 06:10 AM
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I have to wonder actually how many c-sections she will be allowed to have before 'no' doctor will deliver her. She used to go to my OB/GYN in Fayetteville, Arkansas and they would not do a V-Bac for her there so they left. Michelle now goes to a hospital closer to me that would attempt the V-Bac and I believe she did deliver at least one of her last kids that way--but I know she has had several c-sections. I know how dangerous that can be past about 3 so I just wonder about that (at least everyone I know has been told about 3 c-sections would be their limit as there is too much risk for the uterus rupturing through the scar, or rupturing in delivery if they tried a vaginal birth, or just plain rupturing, etc.). There may be some nurses on here that would be able to answer this question, I'm not an expert at all I'm just restating what I have been told by my doctors over the years and what friends have been told. I have had 3 vaginal deliveries and one c-section but I have a friend that has had 3 c-sections and was told by her dr. not to get pregnant again due to the risk.
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Old 12-19-2008, 07:34 AM
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I had a friend who had 4 sections and the dr told her no more after the 4th one b/c she had such a bad experience. I wondered also how many you could have, of course they might believe if you die in childbirth then its God's plan... who knows?? I cant believe that after 17 other kids they hadnt use the name Jordan yet, since its such a common name. I do like the name and i like how they used it for a girl.

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Old 12-19-2008, 09:30 AM
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All I can say is wow and ouch!!! How many c-sections has she had?
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Old 12-19-2008, 09:42 AM
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Cuthie hon this is her 3 c-section as per the information I obtained from the Duggar website. While she also has 18 children this is her 16 time giving birth because she delievered 2 sets of twins. I also love the way she spelled the name.I am sticking to my word and while this is never a life I could ever imagine or deal with, life is all about choices and it is their choice. Like the other poster said I am truly worried about Michelle's health how a women can possibly give birth that many times without complications to risk the mom's health or the childs.One of the most key factor here that allow this family to thrive is their belief in their religion and also because they homeschool and I do believe nonoe of the children play on any sports teams. I could be corrected here am not quite sure. Imagine trying to manage 18 kids and if they all played on various sports. Oh my!!!!. Ok . Peace and stay safe in this holiday season. Catherine
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Old 12-19-2008, 10:16 AM
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On the subject of C-sections
Here's mine
1988- Emergency C- Section Belly Button down total 59 staples

1996 - Planned C-section .Belly Button down total 58 Staples

1999 - Planned C-Section. Belly Button down, Old scar cleaned up total 65 Staples.

2000 - Planned C-section. Belly button down total staples 60 and then had to have 4 more scar burst open at bottom due to a cut that was not stapled after the birth.

2002 - Planned C-Section. Belly Button down total staples 60.I also had the scar cleaned up and tighten. meaning the doctor cut away all the old tissue from the sides and pulled it to make the scar thinner than before.

I was cut the 1st time from belly button down and that's led to all the other C-sections after being the same. I was never told I couldn't have any more C-sections by any of the 3 different doctors I saw. The only thing I was told was that I could never give birth since the chances of rupture was greater since all the muscles and what evers was cut up and down instead of sideways.
However, I did try in 1996 to have a regular child birth but like the one in 1988 I couldn't go past 2 CM even after being in labor for more than 36 hours.So all my babies after 1996 were planned C-sections and I loved it. No more labor for hours and hours and no more bags of drip only to fail and then rushed into a labor OR for a C-section.My children after 1988 were small babies or of normal size ranging from 7 lbs 14 oz to 6 lbs 2 oz. The one from 1988 she weighed 9 lbs and 4 oz. The recovery time also seemed to be shorter with each Section too. I do know the pain wasn't at bad as it was with my 1st Section . It took me 4 weeks just to be able to walk across the room with out pain. With the others I was up and about in 2 days.The last 3 Sections I didn't even need a pain killer after I came out of recovery. But any hoot, Thought I would pass along this since ya'll had asked. Might be different with Mama Duggar since she's given birth what 12 times and 3 C-sections ?.
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Suinsetbeach just reading your post I am in pain... lol. Thanks for sharing I also always thought that 3 or 4 times was the max on the allowed c-sections due to further rupture or excessive bleeding so glad to hear all when well with you and your 5 blessings/ I will say this I gave birth 3 times no c-sections and I will agree with each one the pain afterwards was not so bad. With the first when they the nurses came in and said you got to get up go to the bathroom and walk around. Omg I thought I would pass out from the pain, it took forever it seemed to walk to the nursery for the first time..Peace . Stay safe in this holiday season. Catherine
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Old 12-19-2008, 11:48 AM
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Old 12-19-2008, 01:03 PM
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She has got to be mentally ill. This is like hoarding children. What a waste of resources. Maybe she thinks in a few generations her family will be big enough to form its own PAC, so they can influence political leaders. Just imagine it. They'll get laws passed requiring "J" names for all newborns.

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Old 12-19-2008, 01:10 PM
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After watching "17 Kids and Counting" I have a new-found respect for the Duggars. The kids do seem to get a lot of attention and they are so well behaved.

More power to 'em.
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Old 12-19-2008, 01:22 PM
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Yeah, it's not my cup of tea, but they are driven by their convictions, and those convictions certainly don't involve harming anyone. I know that in 21st century America we seem to put a lot of value on 'individual attention', and I certainly try to give it to my kids, but I have to think it's a relatively new-ish concept, something our forefathers didn't have the luxury of doing. For centuries, parents didn't get emotionally close to their children because they knew a large percentage of children died before they grew up.

Bottom line... if they raising are healthy, law-abiding, self-supporting citizens, they're probably very low on my list of people about which I'll complain.
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Old 12-19-2008, 01:47 PM
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Bottom line... if they raising are healthy, law-abiding, self-supporting citizens, they're probably very low on my list of people about which I'll complain.
Amen, very well said.
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Old 12-19-2008, 02:12 PM
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Her body--her right to choose.

I'm not privvy to what goes on in their home, so I can't even begin to comment on whether their family is dysfunctional, or the kids don't get enough "one to one" attention.

Personally? I think she and her DH are nuttier than squirrel poo! But that's my opinion, and I'm sure my opinion means nothing to them or their decisions regarding their way of life.
"Quiverfull" is what they believe in--and apparently they believe strongly in this. Who am I to knock such strong convictions?
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Old 12-19-2008, 02:28 PM
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wow- what a strong woman.

As long as the children are loved and all well taken care of what else matters?

As far as the cesarean discussion. After having three my mother's doctors did not tell her to stop having children- to the contrary he asked if she was going to try again for a boy.

However, recently she had a full hysterectomy and there was a lot of discussion and concern about how to make the incision. The doctor he felt it was dangerous to cut again in the same spot. Ultimately they did it- but cut off the entire previous scar to promote healing.
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Old 12-30-2008, 12:54 AM
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Old 12-30-2008, 01:03 AM
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I think they are awesome. I wouldn't have thought that before I got to know my friends with the 9 kids (6 when I met them). The love and care the siblings have for each other is remarkable to watch. Not only do they get their parents love but their siblings love also. I couldn't handle that many kids but some people can.
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Old 12-30-2008, 01:05 AM
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Toones - I had to google 'Tribbles' to find out what you were talking about, but now I can't stop chuckling! Too funny.
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Old 12-30-2008, 12:25 PM
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Tribbles LOL :-)


And about the C-section -- My sister in law had to have her tubes tied after 3 C-sections..
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I really enjoy watching their show. I find that the kids all work together to get things done around there. I totally love the fact that the mom never raises her voice. she is wonder woman in my book that is for sure. I could never afford to feed them all.
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