I think it would have been fitting to have President Elect Obama sworn into office on MLK's birthday (or the celebration of his birthday)....

And I am completely clueless--but is the date of swearing in a new president set by law or how is it determined?

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Isnt' he getting sworn into office on Tuesday? Isn't the MKL holiday on Monday? MLK's birthday is on the 15th becuase it's the same as my late fathers.

Section 1 of the 20th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution provides, "The terms of the President and Vice President shall end at noon on the 20th day of January . . . and the terms of their successors shall then begin." From Wikipedia
And not just because you started this post by my own personal opinion is he should get no special treatment because of skin color...
It would be like saying that Bush or Cliniton or anyone else should have been sworn in on Washingtons B day...

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And that's why I asked how the date was determined. If it's a set day (which according to your post, it is) then of course he shouldn't get special treatment. If it had not been a date set forth by the Constitution or some other law, I still would think that it would have been fitting for him to be sworn in on MLK's birthday.

I've never paid a lot of attention to the actual DATE of when other President's have been sworn in, thus I was unaware that they were all on 1/21 (well, the one's who were elected, and didn't take office due to some other reason).

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The terms of the President and Vice President shall end at noon on the 20th day of January.(from the Constitution since 1937) Little know fact: between the swearing in at noon and the parade, the old president moves out of the White House and the new president moves in.

MLK holiday (I think it is always the third Monday in Jan.) is Monday, Jan. 19 which is the day before the Inauguration.

Also that week on Thursday, Jan. 22 is the March for Life.

The Mall will be hopping from Sunday until Thursday of that week.

Why would it be fitting for him to be sworn in on MLK birthday?

if MLK had not fought the battles he fought, I don't know that Mr. Obama would have had the opportunity to run, much less be elected to the Presidency. Swearing him in on MLK's birthday would seem symbolic of where we use to be, where MLK envisioned us, and where we are hopefully working towards.

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This kinda cracks me up - For months, on the Election Board, anyone who even "suggested" race had anything to do with the election were ridiculed and some tagged racist.

This suggestion is really going to open a can of worms. IMHO

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I didn't start it to open a can of worms...

And I didn't know that the inaugration date was set in stone when I made my observation.

It would be difficult to imagine a black President had it not been for MLK, Rosa Parks, the incident in Little Rock @ Central School. What would have happened if Rosa had given up her seat? What would have happened if the Orville Faubus had had his way and the young black children were turned away at Central? Where would we be?
I think that MLK is looking down on what is about to transpire and weeping tears of joy. We are much closer to his dream than at any other time in this country's history.

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A bit off topic, but I think the money being spent for this huge party could better be served helping the homeless, unemployeed, uninsured, etc. I would have been very impressed if for once, a president decided to make the entire process more low keyed, and less expensive for the taxpayers.

I agree with you, tammyleeb.

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We need a thumbs up smiley on this board!

I wholeheartedly agree with tammyleeb too!

I don't see this as an 'opportunity' for Obama.

I do see that it better be an opportunity for us.

I don't believe Obama would have ever wanted to make it a combined MLK day/inauguration day - the inauguration definitely deserves its own day, and MLK definitely deserves his.

I think it's nice that MLK Day and the inauguration happen in the same week.

However, more than that would be a little too type-casting, IMHO. In fact, even though you might see the black connection between the two men as something to be combined ceremoniously, more people might suggest that the idea sounds a little too "separate, but equal" if the two occasions were connected to be celebrated on the same one day a year for eternity.

All IMHO...

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marilynk - I don't thing you meant anything by your question. And I understand your point about the influences MLK has had on the nation. I threw that out there because it was a topic of discussion on a radio talk show I was listening to today. You are not the only one who questioned if the inauguration could be held on MLK day.

And regarding the cost of the inauguration...I think all of them spend way too much of taxpayer's dollars...considering the percentage of Americans that actually get to participate and take advantage of the celebration.

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That and all the $ that's going to be spent redecorating the White House

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I guess I just don't agree with you mari but that's okay, we don't all have to agree wtih each other. I just don't see how Obama wouldn't be able to run if it weren't for MLK. MLK was not the only one to have stood up for his rights. Obama is half black/half white. Does that mean he should also be inaugarated on Washington's bday because if not for Washington, Obama would not be able to have run for presidency because there would be not president? It just doesn't make sense to me. Presidency shouldn't have anything to do with color. We will just see how good of a job he does.

The whole freaking area especially the Virginia side is already hopping and I have to work this weekend and Inauguration day although I dont think many people are going to come in and get their taxes done on Inauguration day but them again they may surprise me.

I still cannot believe they have decided to shut down 395 from the inner loop of 95 and the same with 66 talk about parking lots and stand-still traffic will be worse than it was on 9/11 I just know it will. There is not a room available anywhere our number is similar to the local Quality Inn and we have been getting 20-30 calls per day, boy how I wish I could have fun and make fake reservations but I am not that evil. Its funny the Pentagon when they updated the travel phone list they gave my home # as the Quality Inn's and finally someone corrected it, its rather annoying to have the same last 4 digits but in a different order and you switch one number and viola you call us.

But on the Original Subject I think they should abide by the law doesn't matter if he is black, white, green, yellow or purple whatever the law is keep it going. And besides MLK deserves his day of celebration and reflection on what he has done for the country as a whole and not to have it shared by anyone else at all.

That is my .05 cents worth (had to increase from .02 cents for inflation LOL)

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I totally agree!!! All this time people have yelled it had nothing to do with race and now they think it would be nice to have Obama sworn in on MLK day???? I believe that is a double standard.....just like I think its a shame our school system used to have MLK day and Presidents day off, now we just have MLK day off???? Where would we be without the founding Presidents such as Washington and LINCOLN????? I think we owe them the same honor and respect as MLK>>>>Sherri

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Not just redecorating, but look at the entertainment line-up and the whole security issue!

For every Inauguration, they have the swearing in ceremony, the parade, and the balls. The difference this time is it is a historical event. It would have been like this if Hilary would have won she would be the first woman president. If McCain won, he would have been the oldest elected president. Also Palin would have been the first woman vice-president.

The security and everything else is because instead of just local people wanting to see the event, the whole country wants to physically be here. Based on hotel reservations from months ago, the city of DC realized that security had to be beefed up.

I live in Maryland a few miles from the DC border and we have some of our local streets ( that take you into DC) being open only to buses on Tuesday.

Every president and his wife gets to do some decorating. Did you know that Bush just got new informal china dishes for the White House on Jan. 7 to the tune of $500,000 (service for 320 people)?

Sunday's free concert - HBO, CBS, and Disney are paying for the TV rights (5 million dollars). All the entertainers are donating their time.

This event is helping this area ecomincally because people will be eating and sleeping in the area. The airlines will benefit, etc.

I am happy because I have Monday and Tuesday off from work and my ds, dil and gd are coming from Chicago.

For once, you didn't know with your unique insight and vast experience? Credit given for this one time event.

And quite obviously, race is, has, and will be part of this Presidency, it appears we can't get away from it. All we need now is another poster to re-appear with her self centered definition of racism.

dl

I am sure that many will indeed benefit from the inaugaration. I won't be one of them. Instead I will continue to go to work, and try to feed my family, pay for my home, buy my needed medicines and heat my home. I just feel that the estimated 50-100 million dollars that will be spent on this celebration could be used for more important things. Call me crazy....

Just curious...

Where do you think this money is being spent? It's not like it is being sent to China or the Middle East in big bags. It not like they are going to be burning it in the streets to keep people warn lining the parade route.

I'm always shocked when people say "this money could be used for more important things" or something of that nature.

I beg the question, with even the basic High School knowledge of how economics work in a capitalistic society driven by open markets, how can one not see that this is a benefit in the big picture and not a hinderance?

Like you, there are many people that go to work everyday to accomplish the same goal...feed family, heat house, etc. These are people that will be working security for the event, run the public transportation vehicles that will move people, print the tickets for the event, produce the tv broadcast, step up the lights, clean up the streets, work in the hotels...and the list goes on and on. These are people that might not have jobs if this, or costly events like this, don't occur. So, I don't see how the money spent on this event will be wasted. Is the answer to try and put it back into a struggling workforce or to not spend anything at all?

Modern day economics dictates that not only does money "trickle down" but it spreads....like a big puddle. In the last few years, our economy has been "been all bottled up" and the higher levels....and less is being flushed out into the markets. For example....times are bad....so a company says we need to cut or travel expenses by 10%. Who does it effect? It saves that company 10% but cost many others -- airlines, rental car agencies, taxi drivers, hotels, event planners, technology rentals, and the list goes on.

My uncle always said "you have to sned money to make money" -- an in this case, it is true.

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You are exactly right. All of the money for this event does "trickle down" into other areas of the country. For example, my husband sold a wheel chair lift for the reviewing stand when Clinton was being sworn in (Hilary's father was in a wheelchair.). That unit was made in a factory in Wisconsin. It made money for 2 areas. I was in Baby R Us and a women was buying a pack and play because her grandchild was coming with her dd and sil. I did the same thing. So Baby R Us ( and Target) made money from me and that lady. Greco also sold two units. So this event is making money for everyone.

My dd's bf works in the mall area. He said people were coming in as early as Tuesday.

Kelli - While you are right that spending stimulates the economy, I consider it frivolous spending. Yes, it's a historical event, but really - so they have to spend millions on this one day? Put half of it into the areas Tammyleeb mentioned.

I agree that this event will indeed help bring money into the area. But, for how long? Will this event have a huge long term impact on the economy in the area. What happens to all the lighting people, hotels, etc. when all is said and done. It may be a good thing for a week or so, but it will all be over, and up to a hunderd million dollars will be spent on a one day event. So, no matter how much money is made off this event, in the long run...I still think there are much better options for the use of such a huge amount of money. I think any trickle down effect that this event causes will be short lived, and will not help to improve the economy. I find it ironic that people went crazy at what Bush spent for his inaugaration, but for some reason there doesn't seem to be the same issue with this inaugaration, which is slated to cost four times as much as the last inaugaration (and no, I am not a Bush fan), just a fed up taxpayer.

Race should have nothing to do with this anymore. Sadly for some it still will be. However I have put it all behind me back in 2008. This is now 2009 and when 1/20/09 we will make have our new president Barack Obama in office and sincerely hope for all concerned as this great country, things will be better for everyone one and all. Peace. Catherine

"All this time people have yelled it had nothing to do with race and now they think it would be nice to have Obama sworn in on MLK day???? I believe that is a double standard.....just like I think its a shame our school system used to have MLK day and Presidents day off, now we just have MLK day off???? Where would we be without the founding Presidents such as Washington and LINCOLN????? I think we owe them the same honor and respect as MLK>>>>Sherri"
YUP!! We dont even honor those days at our school anymore... This turned into a race issue long ago... Those people (mostly african americans) who have never ever voted stood in line for hours to vote... Hell they were busing them in from homeless shelters...


"For once, you didn't know with your unique insight and vast experience? Credit given for this one time event." TOO FUNNY ded! I thought the same thing... Ha Ha

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Our schools don't even get MLK day off.

I can see the point that the inaugural funding does stimulate the local economy and perhaps even air travel and a few other industries, but it is short-lived and it isn't necessarily an economy that has been has hard-hit as others being the Beltway and all....I don't really see the military taking big cuts.

I'm not a big economist and am not too bright when it comes to that sort of thing, but it sure seems like there's other places where spending the money could stimulate the economy for more than just a day or week or two AND serve a helpful purpose at the same time.

cj/

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Obama should get no more special treatment than our past presidents.

Speaking of the great amount of money being spent, I might add this -- Obama is taking a train into Washington today, picking up Biden along the way. Obama wants to link himself to Lincoln so much that he's doing the train ride like Lincoln did. Can you imagine the extra costs this train ride (over 100 miles) is going to cost, what with security, etc.? I think that was totally uncalled for. It's just another way to draw attention to himself.

So, you would like half of the money to go to business and the other half in the form of handouts?

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Actually, the military is taking big cuts...they have been for a while.

Also, do any of you know who really pays for the inauguration? Have a guess? "More than 5,000 individual donors contributed up to $50,000 each to sponsor the new president's swearing-in. As in his presidential campaign, Obama banned contributions from corporations, political action committees, registered lobbyists, foreigners and registered foreign agents." How about you take a look? Here is just one link:

Who pays for Obama's inauguration? :: WRAL.com

Take a flip through the list of people..Shouldn't they have a right to choose what they spend their money on? Pick their own way they want to contribute to society? What you find wasteful, they my deem important. I'm sure none of you would like them telling you where you should or shouldn't spend your money.

As far as economics goes.....stimulus needs to start some where even in the smallest forms. So, if it means that a bunch of donated cash gets spent in DC on goods and services this week and keeps some people in their job and some companies afloat that is capitalism...working. It is no different than when the gov sent some of you that $600 checks (which I didn't qualify for) so you would go out and spend it.

But, if you think it is wasteful, that is your opinion and it's a good thing you didn't donate....

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Hmmmmm, I can't help but think of how many people who don't really have the money to spend on necessities, let alone getting to this, will be spending money on it. Not my money, of course, but, I just can't help but think of the people who will be spending money that they could (should) otherwise spend on something more important???

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It all depends on what you feel is important. The woman on that list from East Chicago, Indiana who is listed at working for Macy's donated $250 (i think she was on the last page). She might see this as really important. As her way of being part of history. This same person might also give money to charities in her area, donate food to the local food bank.....who's to say? Her money, her choice. $250 could pay for 2 people to be paid to help clean up the parade route, which could translate to groceries for their family, which helps to pay the cashier at the store or the guy that delivers the Doritos. And it goes on and on. That is the economics behind this event.

One could argue that all events in this day and age are wasteful. Is the superbowl wasteful? How about the Macy's Thanksgiving Parade? Is it ok because we love those things? Because football rocks and we love to see big floatie things? Or is it ok, because you aren't paying for it?

How about the Olympics? How much money do you think it cost the taxpayers for Bush, his family and their entire security team to go to China in Air Force One to see the games? I think you would be shocked if you saw the price tag on that. Should we call that wasteful, or important to our country as our leader being present at an important global event? I think the latter. I think some of you are losing site of the fact that the inauguration and all that goes with it isn't just about a parade and a ball. It is a global event now. Heads of state from all over the world come in for this to take part. People tune in from around the world.

When Kennedy took the stairs....it was a big deal. Nixon, Carter...big deal. Reagan...huge deal. Bush 1...sort of a big deal. Clinton....HUGE deal. W...even Bigger HUGE deal. And it is only going to get more and more important. We don't live in a bubble anymore....the world is watching...now more than ever...it's just a mouse click away. That's not to say we need to put on a show for the world, but if we are going to talk the talk, we should walk the walk.

With that....Seacrest, out.

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Let's see:

Using Lincoln's Bible for the swearing in?
Taking the Presidential train ride to the white house the same as Lincoln??

Not about Race??

PLEASE!

I totally agree.
From asking for all of the living presidents to get together (Obama's request at taxpayers expense) and the train ride, and all else..

Ridiculous.. absolutely ridiculous. What a WASTE of our money!!!

Of course, I am sure he will explain himself in one of his WEEKLY president elect (insert my heartfelt rolling eyes icon here) speeches that we have had to endure -and he isn't even in office yet.

He is so disrespectful to our outgoing President (note NOT with a hyphen) Bush.

I am sure he is taping each one so he can hear himself talk at a future date when he is lonely. Excuse me, when He is lonely.

Nope, I agreed with TammyLeeb as to where the money should go.

Some people are really showing their true colors on this thread.

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I don't think giving the money as a *handout* will solve the problem. It seems like thats part of the reason our country is in trouble to begin with. I don't have all the answers, but I do think with the many issues that our Country is facing.....spending millions of dollars on a party seems a little crazy to me. I would have been impressed with Obama if he had opted to spend less on his big day, instead he is slated to spend four times the amount of the last president at a time when our Country is falling apart. I think it would have been a very honorable thing for our new president to actually walk the walk that he talks....
And before anyone starts in with anything about racism, I can assure you...my opinions on this issue have nothing to do with color. I could care less what color our incoming president is. I just want someone who can help our country...and actually follows thru will all the promises made during those very long speeches that got them elected.

It seems very smart to me, because it puts the money right back into the economy, into circulation, saving and/or creating jobs. Keeping the money moving around the economy right now is the very smartest thing anyone could do. That money is going into the pockets of hotel workers, security people, bus drivers, metro drivers, restaurant workers, etc., from where it will be spent again into other sectors of the economy. Millions on the inauguration crazy? Like a fox.

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Like I said before, my problem with the thought of this money going back into the economy is that it will not have any long term impact on the areas mentioned. That one day event will not save a hotel that is ready to go under, or the lighting people who can't find work after the event is over, or the security people who won't be needed after all the people leave DC and return to their homes. It will indeed help the economy while the people are in DC, but the what? The hotels and restaurants that are in trouble will be right back in the same boat within a few weeks. This one day event may give them a well needed boost, but until something is done to really turn around the economy...it probably won't be enough to save them. I am not sure what the answer to our nations problem is, but I don't think having a huge party is going to solve any of the issues at hand.

You know he is not the first modern president to do this, Lincoln took 12 days to get from Illinois to Washington may times he was brought into the next stop under disguise because of fears of assassination.

Recent Modern Presidents who have did the "Whistle Stop" train ride are:

<Snipped from article on start.shaw.ca>

The train tour itself represented a return to tradition.

Inaugural train trips, which started with William Henry Harrison in 1841, were commonplace before the advent of air travel.

Even some modern-day presidents took to the rails to deliver their messages to small towns across the United States.

Harry Truman went on a long train tour throughout the rural U.S. in 1948 during his second bid for the White House.

Gerald Ford went on a whistle-stop tour of Michigan with his wife in 1976. Ronald Reagan went on a Truman-esque tour in 1984, and Bill Clinton took to the rails in 1996.

George W. Bush and Dick Cheney also toured battleground states by train during Bush's first campaign in 2000.

©The Canadian Press, 2009

I seem to think there were more who did it according to my local news but I cant find that info this morning. Roosevelt comes to mind as one who did it.

So it is something that other President Elects have done maybe they weren't as fully covered they did not have as much historical value or that people see so much hope in him and are so ready for a change in government. No matter if it were Hillary or MCCain who got in this Inauguration would have been a historical event. Hillary because she is a woman (although in my opinion she ran the White House when Bill was President so it would be her 3rd term) MCCain because he would be the oldest and have the first ever Female vice president. People would moan and groan about it all then.

Things in my neck of the woods in Alexandria VA have been bad I watched 2 family owned long-time restaurants on our main road Richmond Hwy or "The Highway" as we call it shut their doors in the last 3 months because business is bad. I have seen other small businesses cut their working hours and lay off their staff.I have seen the increase of people in need at the food pantry, I have never seen so many evictions in my complex for not paying lot rent before. Even the resale homes here are not selling some have been sitting there for 6-8 months and they are not expensive like the new ones they brought in which have sat for over a year now. Just because we are part of the Beltway area we are not as prosperous as people think many are suffering. I had to get a PT job this year doing Taxes again to make ends meet as our disability is not paying the bills anymore since everything has went up so high.

I may hate the traffic nightmare this is bringing but I welcome the ecomonic stimulation it is bringing because it will bring money in to hopefully help the budget shortfall our school system and social services systems are facing and the schools are talking about increasing classroom sizes and cutting jobs across the board not just admin but teachers for the next fiscal year. Our Social Services and Mental Health system is a mess and the taxes from Hotels will help with this. I donated to Obama's Inauguration fund not much a mere $5 but I donated to a person I believe can help this country change and put us back on the map as a respected country that is not hated by all.

Ok my .05 cents worth

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First of all, this is hardly a one day event. This is literally weeks of boosting the local economy. Second, what would be better -- not boosting the economy at all? Third, what's your evidence that there will be no long term effects? I have a strong feeling that the new president and new mood in D. C. will actually have a very positive effect on the local economy, given that tourism is a pretty important part of it in the DC/MD/VA area.

I do not get your objections. What is a better idea?

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This reminds me of the way people acted after the 9/11 attacks, and other subsequent tragedies.....at awards shows, the celebrities "toned it down". I can actually see both sides of the coin here.......give the country a boost when we need it, but, also, gosh why be so extravogent (sp) at a time like this??

Kelliiii, in regards to your reply to my prior post, I think for me it boils down to personal choice. It is your money, but, if you don't have enough to pay for the necessities, you should NOT spend on "extras" . Just my way of thinking,, and my personal choice.

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I am not saying that this event will not boost the economy in the DC area. But, exactly how will that help the majority of the country and the mess we are all in? Like I have said before, its just my opinion that such a huge amount of money could be used elsewhere. I don't have any miracle answers to what idea would be better, but I do feel that somewhere out there....is a better answer than spending millions of dollars on this event. As far as *evidence* that this will or will not have a long term effect on the country....it seems that neither of us have that! I honestly don't expect you to get my objections, you have already formed your opinion, just as I have formed mine. I am in no way against the inaugaration, and I believe that it should take place, it is part of our history, I just feel that it could be more low keyed and less expensive at a time when our country is in such dire trouble. For me it all boils down to the issue of what is best for ALL of us, the entire United States, and having a huge party that is costing taxpayers 50-100 millions dollars just doesn't seem like the best idea right now...

So, if I understand -- because it doesn't help everyone, it's no good?

Did you get that 600.00 stimulus check Bush was so big on? I didn't. I'd like you to send yours back since it didn't help me. Fair?

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"Obama should get no more special treatment than our past presidents." I completely agree with this statement. Personally I am already sick of seeing his face on coins, shirts, e mails and hearing his "I am so great" speeches on tv here. He is totally being treated differently because of his race and skin color. If anyone cant see that then we as a country need to wake up!!

How many other elections had people bused in from homeless shelters to vote? How many other elections had drivers going to churches to take masses of people to vote? And when is the last time someone from the projects actually cared about the president and who won the vote? Call me racist if you want to. Personally I dont care. I think society is just twisted when it comes to color. I do think it is fitting he uses Lincolns bible because if it wasnt for him freeing the slaves obama would not be where he is...
All this hype about the swearing in and all the celebrations around it are, in my opinion, a crock of horse **** to feed an already swollen ego!

OH and your trble said "will actually have a very positive effect on the local economy," LOCAL being the key word... what about the rest of us citizens who are footing this bill?? Screw us because we dont live in the local area?? Good to know that we will have to deal with that attitude for the next 4 years...

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Right, remember your man's mantra: Spread the wealth????

Ooops, we've forgotten about that one already.