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Many people are missing a point. Our country is not paying for everyone to come see the inauguration. People throughout our county have made the decision to attend this event. It is free to everyone. What the country does provide is the security and things like toilets so everyone is safe and happy. The concert tonight is not paid for by the citizens. The various balls are put on by groups. It is not just one day by weeks of work for people around the US. Some companies may survive just because of this event. It will have a trickle down effect to everyone. I remember when Clinton was inaugurated the first time. They had tents all over the mall area for several days. There was music and all kinds of food. No tents this time because they want more room for people. This inauguration is like others but the difference is that many people have decided to come to this area to see it. So the country is providing security( police from all over the country and national guard) and bathrooms. |
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Here's a debate for those on both sides. Yes, people have donated over a million. Could that money be donated to better causes? And yes, the taxpayers do foot part of the bill in this transition (and any presidential transition), as noted below (thought I have not researched if this "transition" is costing taxpayers more than previous presidential "transitions"): McClatchy Washington Bureau | 12/15/2008 | Who's paying for Obama's inauguration? Lots of people ...Nearly 1,800 people have contributed $1.17 million to the transition office as of Nov. 15, according to a report released by Obama earlier this month. About 240 donors have contributed $9.7 million so far to the committee that's planning Obama's Jan. 20 swearing in and related festivities, according to records released Friday. The money is used to pay expenses while Obama and his staff set up his Cabinet and make plans for how to run each agency. The reports are part of Obama's effort to be transparent about money in politics. Only individuals can contribute. The transition team isn't accepting donations from political action committees, corporations or unions. Registered lobbyists aren't allowed to donate money either. (The inaugural committee has the same rules, but it allows contributions of up to $50,000.) Obama's transition gets $8.5 million in taxpayer dollars to operate, and Obama hopes to raise an additional $3.5 million. |
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Ok, I'm listening to the festivities, and they just had an Army man singing the National Anthem. The music started, and I heard no singing, then about after the first sentence (should have been sung) I heard him singing. I had my back to the TV so I didn't see if he just wasn't singing, or if there was a snafu with the volume. Whatever the problem, that was sad.
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If the money is going to cycle back into American owned businesses that supply jobs and income to fellow Americans, I see no better cause. That's just me..... You might this Unicef is more deserving, while another would see PETA as a place the would like to donate money. Some people donate their money to their church, others to organizations and clubs. Some people donate money to fight AIDS, Cancer and some to feed the children in Africa. The key word is donate....it is a choice. I just exercised my family's right to choose where we put our money and sent some cash to the Inauguration fund....guess all this talk inspired me. Figured I should put my money where my mouth is...
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Another was the event this morning -- Obama and Biden and their wives traveled to Arlington put a wreath on the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier. No president-elect has ever done this. Usually the Sunday before the inauguration, the president-elect attends a church service. Wonder what church, if any, the president-elect will be attending? I also noticed these posts about Obama brought some posters out from hiding who have been quiet since the Election Board was closed. |
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Kelliiii - I don't think that you have to look at charities and organizations that support this, that and the other particular and special interest. It's well known that education - public, private, secondary - is getting squeezed big time with the economic crunch. That's not a special interest and I'd be happy to start there.....or many other places...see, give a teacher a job or improve facilities and programs can stimulate a local economy, too...while protecting our future by educating children.
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Cjs....education is special interest to me. I don't have any kids, and my husband and I have pursued or degrees and far as we would both like to go (me masters, him PhD). I have no complaints about my tax dollars going to support our local schools, we help out by buying raffle tickets and other things when our neighborhood kids are out for school fundraisers or boosters, and my best friend is school teacher and I think she could get paid more. But, it doesn't change that education is "special interest" in my world. Important just the same, but does not DIRECTLY impact me. I feel that my future is better protected through stimulus of the ecomony. Let's just say, if $8 billion dollars is spent over the next two weeks in the DC area (which I am sure it's not just DC businesses that are benefiting from this), then that it $8 billion that wasn't moving though the market before. That has a decent sized effect on the first quarter.
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Me thinks that we, as a nation, should just hope and pray that the current administration is of better moral, ethical and spiritual character than the outgoing!
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Kelli Education DOES impact you directly. The work force of the future will directly impact you. Kids who don't make it and rob people will directly impact you. If the children of today don't get a good education it will directly impact all of us. The people in school today are the same ones who will make decisions about your well being and your finances in the future. Think about it. What do you want the USA of tomorrow to look like?
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)ETA - Oops, I see that anna wrote the same thing..more or less. I agree with her. I have had this same go around with an elderly neighbor who voted against every education expense because his "kids are already done with school here". Grrr....
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I'm not thinking locally, I'm thinking globally. I am not in DC and I am not making any money off of the Inaug. In fact, it just cost me a nice chunk on change that I could have spent on something else...but I chose to do somehthing else with it. I have it, so why not spend it how I want to. Oh, and for the record....he isn't my candidate, he is about to be my President.
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Don't you think your statement is a little judgemental? I have voiced my disapproval of the inauguration (not the event itself, but the huge amount being spent on it). Just for the record...I am very open minded about the entire Detroit issue, and I do understand the impact it would have on more than just the autoworkers, although I do think it might be a good idea to bring in some new blood to try to get things back on track. To me, it doesn't make much sense to leave the same people in charge... |
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"The $24 million puts Mr. Obama more than halfway toward the goal of raising $40 million to $45 million for what could be the most expensive inauguration ever, topping the $42.3 million that President Bush spent in 2005.,,The committee’s donor disclosures are a first for an incoming administration. The committee has also banned donations from corporations, unions and lobbyists. " http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/06/us...onors.htm?_r=1 Last edited by nightowlrn; 01-18-2009 at 10:39 PM. |
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Annadrose hon I simply loved loved what you wrote about our soon to be sworn in pe 44th president Barack Obama those were my words and views 100 percent thanks so much for such a caring wonderful post. I cannot wait till tuesday to watch him and Mr. Biden get sworn in and I also offer a sincere offer of peace that he will hopefully bring this wonderful country of the United States some relief on so many issues.. I am counting the hours till 12p.m. eastern time on 1.20.09 when we will make history... Peace to all. Catherine
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Kelliiii - I really don't mean to single you out, but can you explain how supporting and sending money to the inauguration support the "pay it forward" theory? ETA - I'm not one for "great debates" on a message board. I voted for Obama and proudly so. But, IMO, I really do think that the inauguration has been blown out of proportion. Let Obama prove himself as a president first before celebrating him. |
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| Perhaps in your eyes it is. One way or the other when it boils right down to it, I guess neither of our strong opinions will change the outcome of where our country is heading. I know as a taxpayer, I am worried about my future and the future of my children and grandchildren. So, I am not thrilled to see such a huge amount of money going into this inauguration. I would feel exactly the same way if it was Hillary Clinton, or McCain. I admit that I don't keep up on politics, I don't care if the leader of our country is a man, women, black, white, gay or straight...as long as they do the job we are paying them to do, and they keep our country moving forward... |
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I have read reports that the costs of this Inauguration could exceed, or come close to 160 million dollars. Obama visiting Maryland yesterday cost 11 Mil alone, to the state. Surrounding states of DC are already requesting emergency funds for security and extra costs for this "party". Obama naysayers speak out - Yahoo! News Quote:
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This conservative thinks it was ridiculous for Bush to spend that much. (or any other President, for that matter). It is ridiculous to replace the official china every time a new guy is sworn it also. Regular people don't go out and buy new China every 8 years. Yes, I know that they entertain all sorts of important people, but why not just have an official US China that gets used forever??? And...why redecorate everything all of the time? Most of the decorating is formal over the top anyway...stuff that doesn't go out of style. Why not just let them redecorate their private areas? Let them shop at Rooms to Go or maybe go all out and use Ethan Allen. Give them a reasonable budget to decorate how they like. Just like us regular folks. Let the public areas stay the same. If they need an update, have a staff that does this- regardless of who is in the White House. Too much $$$ spent on all kinds of stuff. |
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The money being spent doesn't go in the pockets of a few. It is being used to pay for goods and services....which stimulates the economy, which in the big picture, will help me in the long run. So, I chose to drop a few grand on my idea of paying it forward....might not be your number one choice, but it's mine.
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I have no problem with celebations. I had no problem with Pres. Bush's celebrations or any presidential celebrations that proceeded those. Celebrations are what binds us and gives us a sense of history and importance. There are times for celebrations and time for work. This is a time for celebration. This is a time to show the world our democracy works! That we vote, and then we come together after the results are in to celebrate the new leadership. Over half the voting population believes this should be the celebration of the century! LOL |
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Kelliii - You did a great job of explaining the local economic impact, but I still fail to see this as a "pay it forward" concept. Pay it forwards means that you are giving back after having received. As in being attentive and planning a random act of kindness; doing something nice for someone you don't know; spreading the word and asking the receiver of your act to increase the goodness in the world, i.e. pass it on. I don't see how donating money for a celebration fits that concept. But I respect that fact that you believe in something so much that you are willing to contribute. Not all debators/people will put their money where their mouth is. Kudos. |
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Sadly this is mostly what is taught in the US - Keynesian Economics. To stimulate the economy would mean to create long lasting jobs which this will not provide. |
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I don't live in DC....I live most of the time in Richmond, VA and have other addresses in IL and NY. I don't expect anything in return, other that I can watch it on TV tomorrow. I'm not going to the event. I don't know anyone personally that works in DC or have any major investment in any of the companies or individuals that will benefit from the goods or services that are transacted that day. Other than my cousin working for a major hotel chain that is full up for 2 weeks in VA, DC, and MD (in a normally slow time for them, from what I was told), I don't have any family connections that would benefit financially. In my household we're doing ok.... no one has dropped a bomb on my house...I got money the bank....and I'm pretty happy with most people's new found sense of patriotism and starting to believe "why, yes...we can all just get along (well, most of us, that is)." I like it that women finally gained a new sense of credibility in the political arena based on this past election (something that was overlooked and almost forgotten from and election past). I feel like something nice has happened to me....so I should do something nice. You might not be in the same state of mind, but that is where I am.... I do benefit by being a consumer. More cash will be moving though the system. Millions of dollars stimulating businesses in their first quarters, which might allow them to improve the 2nd and beyond. Like I've said a few times now, if my donation helps to pay the salary of a worker at the event, and allows them another week that they can gas up their car, pay for their groceries, keep their heat on, oh heck...allows them to buy an Xbox...anything that keeps money circulating...I feel like I am paying it forward. It might not be charity or paying it forward by your definition, but I'm sure I wouldn't agree with every "issue" or "organization" you deem to send your hard earned money too. Some save the whales, some buy girl scout cookies, some give money to their church....heck, go to justgive.org and pick one any one. I also think it is very narrow-minded of everyone not to see the national as well as global economic impact of the event. Forrestlayne, this isn't just a local event...national companies are impacted...from broadcasters, advertisers, marketing outlets...this is big business. Millions of dollars is exchanging hands in a stagnent economic climate, which is kind of a big deal. And as far as understanding the basics of economics, I think I got a handle on it....I only a spent a few years teaching it. That is why I said "stimulus on the lowest level."
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I follow more of the Austrian School of Economics (Hayek, Friedman, Rothbard and others). There is certainly a very big difference in these two theories and others as well. I certainly think you have every right to give money to anything you want too. I just object to government use of taxpayers money for everything in sight. Especially since it will be passed unto our children/grandchildren to pay for it. |
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I do not agree with the current war on "terror" costs, or the fact that Obama will be sending an additional 30,000 troops (funded by taxpayer money) to Afghanistan. Bush declares a 'state of emergency' in Washington as cost of Obama's swearing-in ceremony soars to Ł110m | Mail Online "The bulk of the cost for the event will be on security with more than 10,000 police and troops forming a ring of steel around Washington DC." ...."But it will be the US taxpayer who picks up the main part of the bill to cover security and transport costs." |
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We have a friend who stopped by on Saturday to check on our neighbor who is his ex and in the hospital. He works for a catering company during the Baseball, Soccer and Football Season. He actually got laid off before the end of the Redskins football season because business was so bad at Fedex Field this was about October. He has been unemployed until last week when he got the call to come back to work for what? The Inauguration. So this is helping someone I know. Some people are saying this only helps this area. The sales taxes for VA go to the whole state not just Northern VA, now the added Occupancy Tax that Fairfax County, Arlington County or Alexandria City add stays withing their County coffers. Same with Maryland. People staying in Fairfax City will benefit because they have a added meals tax to help with their budget same with Occupancy taxes and same with the Town of Vienna. So yes locals do benefit but not as much as the state as a whole with the 5% sales tax on goods and 2.5% on food for consumption at home. Plus you are bound to have tons of drunk people getting pulled over or arrested for drunk in public which will bring money into both the state and county coffer and benefit bondsman, tow truck drivers and lawyers. Our Transit System has been having major financial troubles because one of their secured loans was called in because of AIG's problems and they were the one's who secured it, we're talking 30-40 million dollars worth. The costs of people riding the buses, subway and parking at the metro parking lots (which I just heard most are now full) is going to help them to pay on this loan and perhaps not close down bus-routes in areas that need it or increase fares to the point those who are low-income can not afford it anymore. I live on a area that in spite of their being million dollar homes we have the highest density of low-income housing and families living at the poverty level in all of Fairfax County and they are talking about cutting several of the main bus routes on the corridor which would make it harder for people to get to work we're talking hours instead of an hour to get there. This inauguration can help Metro's bottom line and prevent this from happening or at least delay it a little bit more. I could go on but I have out to go to work and be "People" today lord only knows why I don't see people coming in to do their taxes today but they may surprise me. I am sure my normal 15 minute trip will be about 45 minutes based on the closed roads and people detouring my way.
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From what I am reading, the people in support of this big celebration are basically saying it will "trickle down" and help others, without saying those exact words. Funny.........
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Nothing trickle down about it -- it's a direct help to business and workers out there. Gosh, maybe that's why you're not hearing those words.
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There is no trickle down here I don't know where people got that idea. When someone puts on a party that is what it is a party. Princess Diana's wedding did not create trickle down and neither Malcolm Forbes' big birthday bash. Inflation is part of the reason this party costs so much more than previous ones.
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" Proponents of this theory believe that when government helps companies, they will produce more and thereby hire more people and raise salaries. The people, in turn, will have more money to spend in the economy." I'm not saying it's a bad thing. ETA: Would this better be described as "spreading the wealth"...........??
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I just can't help but think how much help all of those millions could give to those that are: Hungry losing their homes losing their jobs in need of health care Obama would have floored me and stunned me into being his biggest fan if he had just said: "I accept your donations, and in turn, I am going to pay it forward..and donate it all to help those who are hungry, pay off some late mortgages and help pay for a child to go to the doctor." Maybe it would not have stretched as far as is needed, but there is so much need in our Country right now, that every little bit could have helped change the lives of many. That is the kind of thing that upsets me about all of this. How many homes could Sharon Stones money have bought to save a family from being on the streets? |
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![]() Yes, this is a blog, but, you(general you) can look up the expenses yourself, from any source you like. http://hubpages.com/hub/Better-Uses-...ting-Allowance
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While I do think the money spent on this inauguration has been excessive, I applaud those who have put their money where their mouth is and donated. From what I have read, taxpayers will be responsible for at least 8.5 million dollars of this "celebration." So far, the only local effect this has had on my area, was the fact that Neenah Papers printed out the invitations. So that maybe gave Neenah Paper workers another job for a few days. Not a huge impact, IMO. I would love to be able to say, WOW - with all those donations, Mr. Smith, the security officer, was able to work and now they can go off welfare and maybe some other needy family will benefit from it. But that's not how it works. There will be an impact on the local economy down there, but nothing so far-reaching that it will change life as we know it right now in Wisconsin. |
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You know what is ironic about this? It seems that it is the Republicans now that are concerned about social welfare, and the democrats are the ones explaining away foolish spending. Is it just me? But it is almost like everything that Obama said in his pre election speeches (for the little guy, help with health care, the needy, the homeless, the middle america hard working people that are suffering).. is now being shared at a great extent from the Conservative party. . Almost his entire campaign was built on the fact that our Country is in dire straits and we are headed for doom and gloom. If it is really that bad, and we are in a recession, I surely do not see that reflected in this overinflated celebration. Ironic? We should of just corkied the champagne bottle, and tossed around a box of ritz and cheese. My kind of party! |
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Although you'll never top that disgusting comment and it's what will stick with me about you forever now, that you thought that was an appropriate thing to say.
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Kelliiii said "I like it that women finally gained a new sense of credibility in the political arena based on this past election (something that was overlooked and almost forgotten from and election past). I feel like something nice has happened to me....so I should do something nice. You might not be in the same state of mind, but that is where I am." I totally agree with this. I did feel (and even said so) that this election and the things that have happened, have made me feel that we (the collective we that are not of priviledged status) can do anything. If a junior senator can become President..anything is possible. It did give me hope. What it all boils down to is.. do people like you? Not what you stand for, or what you have done in the past.. all they have to do is like your personality and you can do anything. ... |
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But I will agree, it is/was crude. But I feltt it was fitting for what I see happening. . Contrary to what you might be thinking. I am very happy Bush is not in office anymore. While I like him, I am happy to see a change. This could be paramount for me and my party preference. If Obama does do well in office, and brings the many things we are hopeful for, I will be reconsidering my party affiliation. |
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| That's true. But I have always liked and respected truble. So, I guess in a way, I am curious. I can't imagine that one phrase that is said in jest about a celebration, that is completely over the top ridiculous, would cause someone to attack ones character.
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OHHGODD, I have learned something about people in general over the last two days. More so about people on this board... If you agree with what they say you are thebest, the greatest and they love you. The minute you disagree of voice an opinion different then theirs then they turn in an instant and name call, accuse you of being bitter and get nasty...
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Too funny, pot!
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Then obviously you haven't paid too much attention to 'some' people on this board! |
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Sometimes what one person thinks is a good spirited debate another person could think is an argument or a fight. It depends on one's perspective and understanding. I believe it also has to do with a person's self assurance.
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It also depends on how a person's view is worded. I try to prelude my views by saying "I think" or "In my opinion." That shows that okay, I have an opinion, which may or may not differ from yours, but you are also entitled to yours. You can voice your opinions that my thoughts or opinions are wrong or even slightly skewed, I'll listen, but maybe not agree. I have been known to change my opinion, but not that often! |
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I can't imagine being so filled with hate toward a particular group of people who you obviously have little to no awareness of. Perhaps more prayer might help? |
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"This isn't a commuity where you should express opinions that degrade minorities and not be called out" (this is funny coming from a TWO LIVE JEW member...) See that is where you are wrong.. Where did I degrade a minority?? Once again reading what you want to and twisting it to say what you think it should say....
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