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Old 01-19-2009, 04:40 PM
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Exclamation Bill Introduced in House to Abolish 22nd Amendment

I saw this on AOL. Anyone heard about it? Perhaps while everyone is enjoying the celebration in Washington, lawmakers behind closed doors are trying to pass laws that we will know nothing about until it's too late!

Three Terms for Barack Obama?
By Mark Impomeni
Jan 14th 2009 10:00PM

With President-elect Barack Obama set to take the oath of office to begin his first term, one New York Congressman wants to make it possible for him to one day serve a third. Representative Jose Serrano (D) has introduced a bill in the House to abolish the 22nd Amendment to the Constitution, which limits presidents to two consecutive terms or ten years in office.
Until 1951, there was nothing preventing a president from seeing election for more than two terms. But all presidents prior to Franklin Delano Roosevelt honored a tradition begun by George Washington and served only two consecutive terms. Roosevelt stood for election for an unprecedented third term at the dawn of World War II and was elected to a fourth, only to die in office within months of his inauguration. He is the only American president to serve more than two terms.

The theory behind the 22nd Amendment is that modern day presidents exercise too much power and authority to be allowed access to it for very long. On the other hand, the presidency is the only federal office that is term-limited. The same arguments in favor of limiting presidents' time in office can be applied to Representatives and Senators as well.
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Old 01-19-2009, 04:49 PM
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Interesting but I think 2 terms is enough. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. The President is a human being and comes with all the baggage.
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Can we just kindly let our new elected president Barack Obama sworn in tomorrow to serve his first term.. Thanks peace . Catherine
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Old 01-19-2009, 04:57 PM
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Can we just kindly let our new elected president Barack Obama sworn in tomorrow to serve his first term.. Thanks peace . Catherine

Yes, he can be sworn in. But while he's being sworn in, perhaps the rest of America should be aware of bills that are being introduced while all the celebrating is going on. You never know, Catherine, one might affect you.

I wonder if there is a way to find out all the bills being proposed right now.

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Old 01-19-2009, 05:01 PM
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If this bills passes Obama will be excluded from it. I heard them talking about this on Lars Larsen show on the radio. Lars is extremely conservative, not an Obama supporter and he said this is something we don't have to worry about.
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Catherine, like I said in another post... he puts his pants on one leg at a time like the rest of us. He's not the messiah. He's a politician. These things are part and parcel of politics, and just because he seems to be enjoying time in the limelight as America's sweetheart right now shouldn't, IMHO, make him immune from public scrutiny.

Eight years ago, many from the other side of the aisle were weary of Gore and his many recount pleas, and despite the fact that every recount that took into account every chad still held Bush as the clear - albeit close - winner, his opposition certainly didn't suddenly break into kumbyah and celebrate the day he went into office.

I think to expect those who disagree with BO to do that this week is expecting a bit much.

I think if having two terms was a good idea, it was a good idea, regardless of who is in power. Absolute power does corrupt absolutely.
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And by the way... I'll be interested to see if there is much of a mess made of the White House. IIRC, when the Clintonites left the place, they did a number of prankish things like removing all the W's from the keyboards.

I wonder if Bush's people will do similar things....
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yes yes Hon mom2twins2 of course we as all Americans should always be informed of any new bill being presented as yes your rigth you could effect me and all Americans. I only asked hon, that we as a nation just let him serve his first term. I also wonder hon do you think President Bush feels 2 terms was enough and that now he can get back to his personal life. I would feel he would and needs this time to rest. I for one could never imagine being the President of the United States and the all the responsibities it entails.To serve 3 terms would however be too much work I personally feel. I honestly think back to FDR and how being sick and crippled in a wheel chair and going through WW2 how he was able to serve 4 terms 16 years omg. That was amazing. Peace and thanks for posting to inform us all.. Catherine
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I saw this on AOL. Anyone heard about it? Perhaps while everyone is enjoying the celebration in Washington, lawmakers behind closed doors are trying to pass laws that we will know nothing about until it's too late!

Three Terms for Barack Obama?
By Mark Impomeni
Jan 14th 2009 10:00PM

With President-elect Barack Obama set to take the oath of office to begin his first term, one New York Congressman wants to make it possible for him to one day serve a third. Representative Jose Serrano (D) has introduced a bill in the House to abolish the 22nd Amendment to the Constitution, which limits presidents to two consecutive terms or ten years in office.
Until 1951, there was nothing preventing a president from seeing election for more than two terms. But all presidents prior to Franklin Delano Roosevelt honored a tradition begun by George Washington and served only two consecutive terms. Roosevelt stood for election for an unprecedented third term at the dawn of World War II and was elected to a fourth, only to die in office within months of his inauguration. He is the only American president to serve more than two terms.

The theory behind the 22nd Amendment is that modern day presidents exercise too much power and authority to be allowed access to it for very long. On the other hand, the presidency is the only federal office that is term-limited. The same arguments in favor of limiting presidents' time in office can be applied to Representatives and Senators as well.
Thank you for posting this, mom, very good to know what's going on.
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Old 01-19-2009, 06:19 PM
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i think 2 terms is enough for any president.

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And by the way... I'll be interested to see if there is much of a mess made of the White House. IIRC, when the Clintonites left the place, they did a number of prankish things like removing all the W's from the keyboards.

I wonder if Bush's people will do similar things....
Actually on Sunday Morning on CBS they talked about the transition. They talked about the Clinton problems, but said that this transition was going extremely smoothly and they praised both the Bush and Obama teams.
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Old 01-19-2009, 06:41 PM
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This on the CNN page -
Sources: Obama may quickly reverse abortion policy

Looks like this is a yoyo - banned then reinstated over and over, depending on who is president.
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Sources: Obama may quickly reverse abortion policy

Looks like this is a yoyo - banned then reinstated over and over, depending on who is president.
So, this pays for abortion in foreign countries?? Do I have that correct??

I think a woman has the right to choose, but, can we at least keep the money in our country??

Military members do not even get an abortion paid for unless it is "medically necessary".......
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Old 01-19-2009, 07:40 PM
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So, this pays for abortion in foreign countries?? Do I have that correct??

I think a woman has the right to choose, but, can we at least keep the money in our country??

Military members do not even get an abortion paid for unless it is "medically necessary".......

That's what it looks like from what I just read. Geesh.... he's already starting.....
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Old 01-19-2009, 07:49 PM
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So, this pays for abortion in foreign countries?? Do I have that correct??

I think a woman has the right to choose, but, can we at least keep the money in our country??

Military members do not even get an abortion paid for unless it is "medically necessary".......
AIA here's an excerpt from the article:
"The sources said Obama may use the occasion to reverse the "Mexico City policy" reinstated in 2001 by Bush that prohibits U.S. money from funding international family planning groups that promote abortion or provide information, counseling or referrals about abortion services. It bans any organization receiving family planning funds from the U.S. Agency for International Development from offering abortions or abortion counseling."

I don't know for sure, but I believe that it means if an organization receives any sort of funding from the US Govt., cannot continue to receive funding if they offer abortion or abortion counseling in other countries. Like I said, I don't know if I'm interpreting it correctly at all. It seems to me that, depending on who the President is, this is just another little skirmish in the whole abortion debate--basically a show of force (for lack of a better word).
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AIA here's an excerpt from the article:
"The sources said Obama may use the occasion to reverse the "Mexico City policy" reinstated in 2001 by Bush that prohibits U.S. money from funding international family planning groups that promote abortion or provide information, counseling or referrals about abortion services. It bans any organization receiving family planning funds from the U.S. Agency for International Development from offering abortions or abortion counseling."

I don't know for sure, but I believe that it means if an organization receives any sort of funding from the US Govt., cannot continue to receive funding if they offer abortion or abortion counseling in other countries. Like I said, I don't know if I'm interpreting it correctly at all. It seems to me that, depending on who the President is, this is just another little skirmish in the whole abortion debate--basically a show of force (for lack of a better word).
You're absolutely right. This policy varies from President to President depending on whether they are Democratic or Republican.
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I saw this on AOL. Anyone heard about it? Perhaps while everyone is enjoying the celebration in Washington, lawmakers behind closed doors are trying to pass laws that we will know nothing about until it's too late!
Please read Article Five of the Constitution of the United States. Enacting and/or repealing an amendment to the Constitution isn't fast or easy, nor should it be. It is hardly the sort of process done "behind closed doors."

Please know as well, this is nothing new. The Raw Story | Democratic leader defends push to abolish presidential term limits; Rebukes fears of 'Bush for life'

** Republicans create Bill to Abolish 22nd Amendment ** (HUGH) - Democratic Underground
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i think 2 terms is enough for any president.

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Could we change it to just one term for our new president????Please just this once!!!OLOLOL
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Less then 12 hours from now and we will have our new 44th President of the United States, Barack Obama, I can hardly wait, I purchashed all my local papers today for him and Dr Martin Luther King and I have had the television on so much and have watched every proud soooooooo proud moment of this man..Peace. Catherine.
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Less then 12 hours from now and we will have our new 44th President of the United States, Barack Obama, I can hardly wait, I purchashed all my local papers today for him and Dr Martin Luther King and I have had the television on so much and have watched every proud soooooooo proud moment of this man..Peace. Catherine.
You purchased all of the local papers? For Obama and MLK?
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I saw this on AOL. Anyone heard about it? Perhaps while everyone is enjoying the celebration in Washington, lawmakers behind closed doors are trying to pass laws that we will know nothing about until it's too late!

Three Terms for Barack Obama?
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Jan 14th 2009 10:00PM
Uhmm...Mark Impomeni the conservative blogger He’s just trying to rile up the sheep.
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Please read Article Five of the Constitution of the United States. Enacting and/or repealing an amendment to the Constitution isn't fast or easy, nor should it be. It is hardly the sort of process done "behind closed doors."
But facts aren’t near as fun as closed door conspiracies!
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could we change it to just one term for our new president????please :d:d:d:d:d just this once!!!ololol
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edited to say Ipurchased one of each of my local papers, boy I have to be real careful here when I post, We have the Newsday, The Post, The Daily News and i purchased all three one of each...I was hoping that was the clear post and someone would not misread it.. Thanks. Peace. Catherine
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"Originally Posted by sher218
could we change it to just one term for our new president????please :d:d:d:d:d just this once!!!ololol" If only it were that easy!! If you figure out how, let me know!
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Less then 4 hours away and we will have our new President elected Barack Obama was a true special day for millions and millions of proud Americans... peace. Catherine
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I'm for the one term this time!
While we are wishing, let's make it one YEAR!
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I'm for the one term this time!
While we are wishing, let's make it one YEAR!
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My God! Give the man a chance!

Our country is in such a sad state of affairs right now, but it didn't get there overnight. The previous administration had 8 years to screw it up....at least give President Obama the opportunity to either fix it or screw it up worse.

And while I never was a fan of President Obama during the election, I think we should all just let him have an opportunity to try and change the things that are wrong in this wonderful country we call America!
It's doing yourself and others a huge disservice to be so pessimisstice and negative about this....

Look at it this way--if President Obama is as bad as the naysayers predict; there will be plenty of opportunities to slam him.
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