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Old 02-06-2009, 01:59 PM
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Gun Control.....yes or no?

Do you think guns should be controlled?

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Old 02-06-2009, 02:01 PM
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I want to carry my firearm...
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For the most part, I agree with Ted. I do think that there should be a ban on certain guns (assault rifles, etc) for personal ownership because they is simply no need to have that kind of weapon available in my mind. Thanks for sharing. It's a great video and I'll pass it to some others I know
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Old 02-06-2009, 02:42 PM
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I agree with the assault rifles being banned etc..
The interesting statistic is a majority of the guns on the streets that kill innocent people are illegally obtained and registered...
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For the most part I agree with Ted. Certain guns should be military use only. But we should all have the rights and we should all be responsible. about it.
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Old 02-06-2009, 03:23 PM
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For the most part, I agree with Ted. I do think that there should be a ban on certain guns (assault rifles, etc) for personal ownership because they is simply no need to have that kind of weapon available in my mind. Thanks for sharing. It's a great video and I'll pass it to some others I know
There is no need for anyone to own a Corvette, a Ford escort serves the same purpose. It's a matter of choice. And if I were of a mind to create havoc with a firearm I could do it very easily with my .22 rifle. But that is just my opinion.
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There is no need for anyone to own a Corvette, a Ford escort serves the same purpose. It's a matter of choice. And if I were of a mind to create havoc with a firearm I could do it very easily with my .22 rifle. But that is just my opinion.
Tell that to the Corvette in our garage!!
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Old 02-06-2009, 04:27 PM
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Old 02-06-2009, 04:36 PM
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100% for gun control! I don't want to be killed and even more, I wouldn't want to kill anyone.
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I think people should be allowed to bear arms. So, I think it's fine to own some guns.

However, I do not think the average citizen should be able to own assault rifles, automatic guns, etc.

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Oh Lord! Do not get my dh and his dad started on this topic. They've been stockpiling for 4 months now in preparation for the gun banning that's getting ready to happen. Dh, FIL, and BIL just got the parts in to complete their AR15's. These are civilian assault rifles that are exactly like the military model M16. Do I think that any of them need these guns? Nope, but I firmly believe in their right to own them. For that reason I'm against gun control.. and if you think about it. All that was done by announcing that these gun control laws were coming was the increase in sales of all guns and ammo.
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Old 02-06-2009, 08:30 PM
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The problem with gun control laws is they they control the amount of weapons that LAW ABIDING citizens will have access to. The gang bangers and the criminal will STILL have all the guns and ammo they want because they get it ILLEGALLY to begin with. It's not going to stop the illegal weapons on the street, they will still be there just as they always have been. So let's limit what the responsible people can buy, the ones that have to register their weapons, have backround checks, etc done to purchase a weapon.
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Old 02-06-2009, 10:07 PM
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The problem with gun control laws is they they control the amount of weapons that LAW ABIDING citizens will have access to. The gang bangers and the criminal will STILL have all the guns and ammo they want because they get it ILLEGALLY to begin with. It's not going to stop the illegal weapons on the street, they will still be there just as they always have been. So let's limit what the responsible people can buy, the ones that have to register their weapons, have backround checks, etc done to purchase a weapon.
Exactly you are policing the people who went by the law to start with.

We don't go down to the street corner to pick up a rifle for deer season, we take our firearm card to the store and purchase one. We aren't the ones you have to worry about it's the people who are buying them on the corner you need to know about and no amount of laws on gun control is going to control that.
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I think people should be allowed to bear arms. So, I think it's fine to own some guns.

However, I do not think the average citizen should be able to own assault rifles, automatic guns, etc.

Lisa
Could you define assault rifle for me please?
The average citizen can only own automatic weapons after completeing all the usual background checks, waiting period, fingerprinting, purchasing a class 3 license and paying for the transfer of ownership (above and beyond the cost of the weapon).
The cost of purchasing automatic weapons makes owning them out of the reach of the average citizen. If cost wasn't prohibitive I would have my own H&K MP5.

And if I am not mistaken, since the NFA of 1935 was instituted, no legally owned automatic weapon has been used in a crime.

And to the poster that said that an AR15 is exactly like an M16, that is not correct. An AR is semi-auto while an M16 is select fire. Select fire meaning it can be shot semi or full auto.

As you can tell, I am against gun control.
Gun control has not worked anywhere it has been instituted.
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Abolsutely Not! More goverment controls is what we do not need. Our freedoms are slowly being taken away.
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Oh Lord! Do not get my dh and his dad started on this topic. They've been stockpiling for 4 months now in preparation for the gun banning that's getting ready to happen. Dh, FIL, and BIL just got the parts in to complete their AR15's.
They sound crazy to me. IMO, the people most likely to engage in this kind of radical behavior are the last people on earth that ought to be carrying guns. Stockpiling guns? What for? How many can they need?

I have no problem with citizens owning guns, as long as there are licensing and training requirements.
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truble perfect what you just said....too many people own guns who should never ever own a gun, there are too many risks and danger as a result. Peace. catherine
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They are stock piling ammo because the socailist in the Whitehouse wants to tax gun owners to death as well as the rest of us.

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They are stock piling ammo because the socailist in the Whitehouse wants to tax gun owners to death as well as the rest of us.

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If you are referring to socialist-it was a typo and BELIEVE me I do know what it means and that man in the white house IS. He has proved it over and over-

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Funny. Over and over, huh? In two weeks? Wow, he really IS amazing!
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truble friend since I decided I was not going to talk no more about Politics, its okay because I have you who agree's we both know we have the right man in the white house now our President Obama, so if you do not mind you can talk for me okay??/ thanks peace always... Catherine
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They sound crazy to me. IMO, the people most likely to engage in this kind of radical behavior are the last people on earth that ought to be carrying guns. Stockpiling guns? What for? How many can they need?

I have no problem with citizens owning guns, as long as there are licensing and training requirements.

My husband is a police officer and I can assure he's not a crazy radical. The stockpiling is a direct result of Obama saying he's going to ban certain guns and ammo, and if he doesn't ban them then he's going to tax the heck out of them. I want to say he's stated that he would put a 500% tax on ammo. That's just crazy, and that's why people are stockpiling. My dh has to do mandatory qualifying with all his guns for work at our expense. So yeah, he's going to get as much ammo as he can while the taxes and prices are still reasonable. Dh has more license's and training than most.. he has to.

I personally don't see gun collecting as any different than collecting anything else. If I saw a ring for $500 today that I knew would be $2000 plus tomorrow.. I'd buy it too.
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I don't see a problem with keeping guns out of the hands of minors, criminals or schizophrenics. I have no objection to requiring a background check nor any delay that it might cause.

I found the stockpiling of guns and ammunition by the kooks to be hilarious.
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I found the stockpiling of guns and ammunition by the kooks to be hilarious.
It makes me think of my neighbor who, like many others, thought she was going to make a killing in the beanie baby market and bought dozens of those things. Didn't exactly work out for her.
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If you know someone that has been killed by gun, you would feel different. Many years ago, two of my sixth grade students were by one of their houses. No parents were at home, a home with loaded guns. The boy who lived in the house began to play with the gun and shoot the other boy. He died. It was the hardest funeral I had to attend.
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It makes me think of my neighbor who, like many others, thought she was going to make a killing in the beanie baby market and bought dozens of those things. Didn't exactly work out for her.
It also reminds me of Y2K. Remember all the stockpiling of food, water and cash?
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It also reminds me of Y2K. Remember all the stockpiling of food, water and cash?
Yep. Uncontrolled paranoia. Not exactly the kind of people that ought to have access to guns and ammo.
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Gun Control, yes all the way 100 percent...... catherine
You state that you are all for gun control, but you fail to mention WHY you want gun control. I challange you to cite ONE just ONE time in the history of this country, or ANY country for that matter that gun control was EVER implemented and actually worked to reduce crime.

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I agree with the assault rifles being banned etc..
The interesting statistic is a majority of the guns on the streets that kill innocent people are illegally obtained and registered...
Statisticly speaking you are incorrect. The majority of crimes are NOT commited with assault weapons. In fact statisticly speaking, you are 2x more likely to die in a car accident than you are to get killed by a firearm. (should we outlaw cars as well). More specificly, you are techniquely correct when you when you say that the majority of guns on the street that are used to kill people are obtained illegally. (thus the defination of the criminal who will ALWAYS be able to get what they want and do it illegally. The only thing here is the fact that to obtain a firearm, you HAVE to register it with whomever you buy it from, otherwise you can't buy the firearm.

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100% for gun control! I don't want to be killed and even more, I wouldn't want to kill anyone.
Really, an armed society is not only a polite society but a safe society. History of this country and others has proven such. You don't want to be killed, get yourself a LTCF (Licence to carry a Firearm) and do your duty not only to your family but to yourself and protect yourself. When seconds count and the police are minutes away........you only have yourself to rely on.

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I think people should be allowed to bear arms. So, I think it's fine to own some guns.

However, I do not think the average citizen should be able to own assault rifles, automatic guns, etc.

Lisa
I disagree with the last part of this statement. What is your reasoning for not thinking the average citizen should be able to own an automatic weapon? By the way, the defination of an assault weapon is one that you are able to switch between semi-automatic to automatic in the firing control. By defination that would effectly outlaw both automatic, and semi-automatic weapons (which are about 80% of the guns in existance.)

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The problem with gun control laws is they they control the amount of weapons that LAW ABIDING citizens will have access to. The gang bangers and the criminal will STILL have all the guns and ammo they want because they get it ILLEGALLY to begin with. It's not going to stop the illegal weapons on the street, they will still be there just as they always have been. So let's limit what the responsible people can buy, the ones that have to register their weapons, have backround checks, etc done to purchase a weapon.
Someone with a sense of intelligence here, excellent post.

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Could you define assault rifle for me please?
The average citizen can only own automatic weapons after completeing all the usual background checks, waiting period, fingerprinting, purchasing a class 3 license and paying for the transfer of ownership (above and beyond the cost of the weapon).
The cost of purchasing automatic weapons makes owning them out of the reach of the average citizen. If cost wasn't prohibitive I would have my own H&K MP5.

And if I am not mistaken, since the NFA of 1935 was instituted, no legally owned automatic weapon has been used in a crime.

And to the poster that said that an AR15 is exactly like an M16, that is not correct. An AR is semi-auto while an M16 is select fire. Select fire meaning it can be shot semi or full auto.

As you can tell, I am against gun control.
Gun control has not worked anywhere it has been instituted.
Absolutley correct.

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MIght want to learn how to spell that word if you're going to throw it around. Maybe even learn the meaning of it.
Really, why don't you tell me what it means, because there are hundreds of types of socialism. Currently we do have a Socialist Dictator in the white house. Taking from those who work and giving it into the hands that don't work. That is a form of soclaism. He wants to control American citizens and he can do that effectly when he disarms the society. (Hitler did that very thing and you know how he turned out to be) unless you gorged yourself in Koolaid thinking "he was just a misunderstood man"

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Funny. Over and over, huh? In two weeks? Wow, he really IS amazing!
Perhaps you should do some research and see what he has done over the past 2 weeks. He has dictated exeuctive orders that demilitarize the United States as well as allow for MY tax dollars to pay for the slaughtering of innocence in other countries. Research before you post so you don't sound like a fool.

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It makes me think of my neighbor who, like many others, thought she was going to make a killing in the beanie baby market and bought dozens of those things. Didn't exactly work out for her.
Beanie Babies and Guns/Ammo arent even on the same playing field. There is no comparison between the two.

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If you know someone that has been killed by gun, you would feel different. Many years ago, two of my sixth grade students were by one of their houses. No parents were at home, a home with loaded guns. The boy who lived in the house began to play with the gun and shoot the other boy. He died. It was the hardest funeral I had to attend.
Does this make the gun responsible? Or does the responsibility clearly lie in the hands of the parents who left firearm unattended and unlocked. Ignorance to firearms safety is not an excuse to blame the firearm.

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Yep. Uncontrolled paranoia. Not exactly the kind of people that ought to have access to guns and ammo.
Your Uncontrolled Paranoia is MY prepping for what could happen. If worst ever came to worst I'll remember your words when you go looking for help from someone who was prepaired.



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Currently we do have a Socialist Dictator in the white house.
The overwhelming ignorance demonstrated by you, Mr. Son, in this little line alone is stunning.

Funny, though, that you capitalize socialist dictator, but not White House.

You're a perfect example of why certain people shouldn't own guns.
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For those who favor no restrictions on the sale of firearms, how do you feel about the right to own a canon, a RPG launcher, bombs, or nuclear weapons? All would be considered arms.

The background check and waiting period are examples of gun control. Gun shows, I believe, are exempt from these requirements.
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The overwhelming ignorance demonstrated by you, Mr. Son, in this little line alone is stunning.

Funny, though, that you capitalize socialist dictator, but not White House.

You're a perfect example of why certain people shouldn't own guns.


What ignorance?? Once again you spout off your mouth but say absolutly nothing.

Are you going to actually say why you think I am the prime example of why certian people shouldn't own a gun, or are you simply going to say "You're a perfect example of why certain people shouldn't own guns"
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This is not CMMCMM making this post. This is her SON. (with my permission-cmmcmm)
Note to CMMCMM's little boy - isn't there a website that you could do all of your arguing on, one that will light up for you whenever you misspell a word or make very weak (and unsubstantiated) arguments? A couponer's website like this is hardly your speed, true?
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What ignorance?? Once again you spout off your mouth but say absolutly nothing.

Are you going to actually say why you think I am the prime example of why certian people shouldn't own a gun, or are you simply going to say "You're a perfect example of why certain people shouldn't own guns"
Res ipsa loquitor.
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Note to CMMCMM's little boy - isn't there a website that you could do all of your arguing on, one that will light up for you whenever you misspell a word or make very weak (and unsubstantiated) arguments? A couponer's website like this is hardly your speed, true?

Your "little boy" comment really cut deep, i'll be sure to run to my mommy and tell on you *sniff*. I would hardly consider myself a little boy, but you are correct this isn't really the forum for this, but when idiocy abounds, I am compelled to respond.
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Res ipsa loquitor.
It speaks for itself? To what are you referring? I suppose you are correct, what I said does speak for itself. There is no question, ifs ands or buts about it. Just pure fact to which you seem to be unable to comment too. You are starting to sound like the Dear Leader himself. Saying much in words, but not saying anything in meaning.
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So that options are that Mr. Son is a child that mommy is allowing to post under her screen name or that Mr. Son is a grown man living with mommy and fighting her battles.
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So that options are that Mr. Son is a child that mommy is allowing to post under her screen name or that Mr. Son is a grown man living with mommy and fighting her battles.
At 21 years of age, currently paying off a college education (which is more than what most people can say) its a smart option to live at home. You are becoming childish, therefore responding to you has become a pointless waste of my time. Good luck to you, I wish you the best.
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So, living off mommy. Got it.
I certainly hope you grow up. I am very proud of a son that takes care of his responsibilities and his debts, unlike so many that we tax payers are footing the bill for.

You really need to get a life and GROW UP!

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I certainly hope you grow up. I am very proud of a son that takes care of his responsibilities and his debts, unlike so many that we tax payers are footing the bill for.

You really need to get a life and GROW UP!

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I'm not the one living off mommy -- nor was I doing it at the age of 21. Nor do I use mommy's name to make a bunch of lame arguments about why I should be allowed to play with guns when I can't even support myself. I even know the difference between a "Socialist Dictator" living in the "white house" and the duly elected president of the republic that is the United States.

But good on you for being proud of him.
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Oh come on - a 21 year old living at home is hardly "living off mommy". I agree that it's a smart decision to live a home to save money to pay off debts.

On the Gun Control issue -
I believe there should be gun control when it means...
~ Age minimum for purchasing certain guns/rifles
~ Background checks for criminal records
~ Waiting period for purchase of certain guns/rifles

I am against gun control when it means...
~ I cannot own any gun/rifle that is accessible to criminals - in short, I should be able to own any gun/rifle.
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They are stock piling ammo because the socailist in the Whitehouse wants to tax gun owners to death as well as the rest of us.

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You are 100% correct....they ban guns for regular civilians and the only ones who will have guns are the criminals...the constitution gives us the right to bear arms.....we will have nothing to protect ourselves.....Guns dont kill people...People kill people....what are they going to do next.....tax knife owners, they can kill people, there are plenty of ways to kill people without a gun...ban guns and people will still get killed....and the innocent will have nothing to protect their families with......I can see not selling assault rifles to civilians but to ban guns or tax them to death is ludicrous....Why arent they taxing alcohol out the rear end like they are cigerettes...(No I am not a smoker) People who drink have killed alot more people than people who smoke......Good grief people..Wake up....Sherri
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Old 02-09-2009, 01:26 AM
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If you know someone that has been killed by gun, you would feel different. Many years ago, two of my sixth grade students were by one of their houses. No parents were at home, a home with loaded guns. The boy who lived in the house began to play with the gun and shoot the other boy. He died. It was the hardest funeral I had to attend.

YOu said it "NO Parents at home".and obvioulsly guns were not stored correctly.....I grew up with guns in the house...my Dad taught us how to use them and to never touch them when he wasnt around..he also had the good since to lock the gun cabinet along with ammo.......Gross neglience on these parents part...not the gun....Sherri
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Gun Control yes all the way, there are too many irresponsible people out there who should never ever own a gun....As for the 21 year old suppossed son if you want to discuss issue's here I suggest you sign up under your own username and not hide under your mother .Catherine
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Old 02-09-2009, 06:29 AM
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Oh come on - a 21 year old living at home is hardly "living off mommy". I agree that it's a smart decision to live a home to save money to pay off debts.
A 21 year old college grad, don't forget, that's either unable to support himself or choosing not to do so. That's the definition of "living off" someone.

Sure it's smart. If I could live off someone else's money and work, I'd do it, too. Why support yourself when someone else will do it for you? But don't pretend it's something it's not.
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Old 02-09-2009, 07:13 AM
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A 21 year old college grad, don't forget, that's either unable to support himself or choosing not to do so. That's the definition of "living off" someone.

Sure it's smart. If I could live off someone else's money and work, I'd do it, too. Why support yourself when someone else will do it for you? But don't pretend it's something it's not.
YES it is very smart of the 21 year old not to fall into the usual ideas of staying in debt for most of their lives.
Most of my older children live at home also. We do not charge them rent but they do help out. We are giving them a chance to make a good start in life by staying out of debt.
One of the older ones just got married and moved out and brought a small place paid cash from his savings no loans. No car loans ...he paid cash for his car and jeep.
Just because someone lives at home does not mean they have no job.

It certainly goes against the standard way of thinking but it works for some. Certainly no reason to be so judgemental of lifestyles that are different.
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